Christopher Eccleston is quite stern, but he's one of the most honest and principled people out there and deserves a lot of respect. He always stands up for others, be it actors struggling to find work in hard economic times or criticising on-set problems in productions. He also has a vendetta against the royal family, which is honestly pretty based.
@@generalj216 To him, they represent a fundamental injustice when it comes to class and influence. The royals are rich and famous despite doing jack shit besides being mascots for the remnants of the British Empire, they did nothing to earn their position. Meanwhile Eccleston grew up in a poor family and struggled hard to get where he was and has seen many others try just as hard only to fail simply due to the position they started at. To him, the royals are the very epitome of the class divide. A load of inbred imperial weirdos elevated to godhood in the public eye by virtue of bloodline, whilst honest men and women can work for every day of their life and never escape poverty. They are "parasites" who leech off of the public money pot whilst preserving the divide between the classes through their unearned status of power.
Fully agree with Chris on this, RTD harboured a bad production for S1 and never apologised, the BBC did Chris dirty and theres a solid chance Barrowman was up to his tricks on set with Chris being ignored, possibly Clarke too. Russel and the others need to fess up to that, it's ethically malign.
Maybe RTD apologised, but it was too late. Who knows? We don't know what really happened. A lot of people since told that s1 was really hard and difficult production for millions reasons. I respect Chris decision.
@@katokianimationhe clearly stated that he took responsibility for Chris' bad feelings and seemed very sad about it. People need to remember that the BBC hadn't made a show like this in decades for Series 1. It was destined to be chaos.
It's more on what he didn't do. He apparently didn't take care of staff (people were being bullied on set) mainly. Eccleston was also struggling with anorexia at the time. There's quite a few videos where he talks about the many reasons he left. I can't link them because of youtube policy but you can find them. I'm also sure that there's things he can't mention because it would probably cause a huge riot or because of ndas. He also seems to really not like john barrowman.@@m.stewart8094
Said it before, Russle should make a public apology to Chris. Whatever happened, Chris was treated badly and he was instrumental in making the show such a success
The Chud channels are making it seem in they're thumbnails that Christopher Eccleston is standing up to wokeness in the BBC, but I think when he says "politics" he meant behind the scenes politics not politics in the script.
Christopher Eccleston was my first doctor so therefore his performance has a special place in my heart, so it really bothers me that these grifters are trying to weaponize his personal experiences with RTD for their low effort “go woke go broke” videos.
Anyone who actually listens to Eccleston will realise that he has a personal problem with these people for work related reasons - it's not because RTd is gay, or because Eccleston doesn't like inclusive casting or progressive messages.
True story; when I worked with Eccleston on the one day I'd met him, there was a mix-up with getting his Taxi sorted at the end of the shoot. 2 taxis turned up and Eccleston went to great lengths to make sure that both drivers got paid even though he only needed the 1 car.
I met Christopher at Phoenix Fan Fusion in June, didn't go to his panel but he was lovely for the few minutes that I was with him. Me and my sister sang some Irish songs with him! My sister was dressed as a korok from tears of the kingdom and he saw her leaf mask and started singing this song (clearly didn't know what she was dressed as) and we were like, wait we know that song! And he was like, it's an old irish tune! And we went to a Catholic school that was run by Irish nuns so we learned a few Irish songs and sang them on Saint Patrick's Day. But we sang another one together that we remembered so that was really lovely that that's my experience with Christopher Eccleston.
While we don't know what happened fully, one thing is certain: Chris has always been one of the most straightforward actors. He's full of integrity and honesty and I actually can understand his reasons. I even agree with him about Moffat being the writer who best nailed the character of the 9th Doctor in that first season. It's what I would've expected from the Doctor after the Time War. (it's a shame Moffat couldn't persuade him to come back for the 50th even though he did a fantastic job with the War Doctor).
@marionbaggins Yes. I do feel his era is overrated (or more, the following eras are overly hated in comparison) and we need closure after all these years on what truly went on behind the scenes during Chris' run.
@@benbastianiartmusic1421RTD's time is so overrated, and I agree I grew up with Moffat and people Dissing Moffat and later with Chibnall!!! I hope he will say, it's sad, because even though I prefer series 4 over 1, 9 was a much better Doctor than 10!!!
I watched this yesterday. The poor presenter kept making your typical upbeat, boost the actor's ego questions, and Eccleston was relentlessly candid and real. So funny
I need to watch this then, I find that a lot of these big cons really try hard to do this and it doesn't work. Like one chaotic Game of Thrones one was pretty small and had someone asked for more Dothraki SA scenes and saying how great they were as the actors are uncomfortable until Jason Mamoa breaks out his Dothraki speech to break the tension. I'm British as well so the late night american TV show-ness of them is quite weird sometimes. I sometimes prefer the ones with the directors and actors because they talk more about the episodes and details vs pandering or giving fluff filled answers.
Gotta love Eccleston's punk rock attitude. Btw, no wonder that he and Davies didn't get along in the long term. The latter appears to be a royalist, as opposed to Chris, who very clearly isn't. :D
Fair play to Chris for remaining honest to the end!! He isn't going to suffer fools gladly. Respect him big time!! Favourite doctor of the new era!! ✊️
One of the things I want to say is that being from Manchester, for years I had hoped to meet and bump into him. I was thrilled when this was happening and I immediately booked after having a huge fit to my mum begging for money I more or less didn’t have. 😂 She agreed it must happen though. And I was so lucky to hear this panel, and meet him in person. I still remember getting my photo, I immediately and unintentionally blanked him. I gave the staff my bag, he said Hiya, shook my hand, but I didn’t say anything. I left with my bag and collected my photo thinking “Fucking hell, he probably thinks I’m a twat!” After the panel which I watched all the way through, I queued for the autograph. Immediately on approaching, I apologised for blanking him. That had never happened before, not even with David Tennant! I genuinely didn’t know what happened. But the first thing he did was hold my hand and say “Don’t apologise to me mate. You’ve got nothing, absolutely nothing to apologise for.” And I was stood there embarrassed giggling like a little girl while he held my hand. Clearly I was on some kind of non drug euphoric trip! He is a genuine, kind and amazing person. I like that he’s truthful, and says what he’s thinking. He is honestly just an amazing guy. It made my love for both him and his work so much stronger! He is absolutely on par with my love for David Tennant who until Chris, was the best actor I had ever met because much like Chris, he was kind, compassionate and very easy to talk to. Chris doesn’t exactly beat him, they’re very much equal in terms of my favourite actors I’ve met because of experiences I’ve had with them. Meeting both of them was just surreal. Also, YOU LIVE IN SALFORD?! SO DO I!!!!
I agree with Christopher 100%. He and the others weren’t supported properly and the BBC wouldn’t let him have time off when his father was ill. To make matters worse they lied when he left saying he walked away due to being tired. That made it difficult for him to find employment and tarnished his name. Sacking RTD and his team would certainly improve Doctor Who.
*chris is mad about how he was treated during his time and holds a grudge towards RTD and won't come back as long as he's involved* Grifters: THIS CONFIRMS RTD IS... LE VVOKE! I don't align with you usually, william, but at least you're not THAT dumb. By the way, do another nuzlocke lol.
It's a real asshole move on their part to use a man's personal grievances from a bad experience as part of their culture war. It's incredibly exploitative.
The really unfortunate thing about this is that this started out with people putting words in Chris' mouth when he left the show and now it's gonna happen again with these anti-woke people making that "politics" comment out to be something other than the workplace politics that Chris has always alluded to.
While I'll admit to being more than a little chuffed I was ahead of the curve on this (I knew about and condemned RTD's unethical leadership on DW for years), it makes me enraged the fandom still chooses to ignore this. Like, they intentionally pretend RTD's treatment of crew members and abuse of power never happened, so they can continue putting him on a messianic pedestal rather than reckoning with his behavior. He is basically British Joss Whedon, it's irresponsible to deny it.
Is it? I'm genuinely interested in what the truth is here. Is there anyone else other than Eccleston who has a problem with him? This isn't the first time Eccleston has walked out after the first series of something due issues with the show runner. Cracker, for example, I remember him complaining that his character wasn't getting the good writing the other characters got, and Jimmy McGovern had to work hard to get him to come back to film an exit for the character at the beginning of series 2. What did RTD actually do? It sounds like series one was a chaotic mess, but that's pretty normal for a TV series finding its feet. I'm genuinely interested as to what RTD actually did, because to me, Eccleston seems like someone with a massive victim complex and I'd like a bit more to go on. Why hasn't Billie Piper spoken up in support of him? John Barrowman? David Tennant? Anyone else? Why do they all keep coming back every chance they get? That's not what happened with Whedon. Quite a few of the Buffy cast spoke up. I have no agenda here to prove RTD innocence. It just doesn't sit right with me.
@@ihateunicorns867If I remember hearing correctly, they blacklisted Eccleston, I wouldn't call that a victim complex. It's open information, you can easily find it if you look
@@ihateunicorns867 I don't think it would have been the BBC as a whole because he's been in a few of their shows since doctor who, like the A word (which is great imo as an autistic guy lol)
Eccleston also kicked up a fuss about filming Thor and GI Joe and refused to return. I’m just finding it difficult to side with one man who seems to complain about lots of things he does, when no-one else who worked in the same environment seems to echo these sentiments.
Y'know, there's an alternate universe where he was one of the Guardians of the Edge in Jodie's last episode, and I reaaaaaally wish I lived there 😂😂😂 On the plus side, I think the odds of Paul, Matt, Peter, and Jodie all returning for future specials has just dramatically increased 😂😂😂
@@UomodAltriTempi Your source? Because from what I've read Capaldi wanted to continue but due to sinking ratings the BBC was not having it. Also if he wasn't kicked out essentially the. Why would he be quoted as saying he will never return?
@@Dumpsterfiremedia1where’s your source for your take? In any case, Peter has said in interviews that he doesn’t want to come back because he’s satisfied with his era, and doesn’t want to potentially undermine it with multi-doctor comebacks.
@@Dumpsterfiremedia1 This rumor has been existing and circulating since 2018, and every time someone had brought it up there has been no sources to confirm it. From CBR to ever Reddit itself, every time someone brought up that rumor, threads end in the same way: Capaldi has clearly stated he wanted to leave the show before risking to stress too much his contribution to the character of the Doctor. There is still a thread on Quora about the "having kicked off" rumor, and there is all sorts of accusation directed towards Chibnall, but no sources attached to those: just an "all you can rant" fest. About him not wanting to return on the show for some special episode, there is a very exhaustive interview on a SFX Magazine number dated October 2022, in which Capaldi clearly stated he does not like the idea of being the "Doctor Who's assistant"; so, rather than ending up as a sidekick for the current Doctors, he prefers to stay away.
Curious as to how Eccleston and Davies differ if it was a political issue, considering Russell is clearly anti-Tory, and Eccleston has stated his distain for the Tories too, unless he’s talking about the politics of TV, the TV hierarchy or something. Appreciate his honesty though.
As a kid growing up in the 90s, I remember Billie's pop career started after she did a lot of promo work as a teen model advertising Smash Hits. Then the girl advertising the pop magazine became a feature of the same pop magazine
What I’m confused about is why the hell people keep asking him to comeback!? This man made his terms and conditions clear back in 2013. He’ll support any other media of doctor who. Comics, audio stories, you name it. The only thing he won’t do is come back and work with the nightmare that is BBC producers and executives. He’s getting too old to put up with that shit. Do I think Russel at the very least could apologize to Chris? Yes! Do I think Chris should come back? Fuck no! If any of the past doctors were to come back I would want Capaldi (who has directly said he’s hot coming back) or Smith who’s remained suspiciously quiet. Jodie just left and she endured the brunt of the blame for Chibnall mess up’s so she’s probably not too keen on getting back into the role, Bradley, Peterson, Colin, Mccoy, and Mcghan just participated in POTD, they don’t seem interested in replacing troughton and pertwee ( even if his son is literally a badass actor that looks exactly like him ), and Baker is 89 years old with handicap. Bottom line is people are expecting way too much from the show. With the majority of the actors being too old, tired, or just simply done. We just have to give Ncuti a chance and see what happens. Either that or the proof that Dr who continues without a show ( big finish ).
Jodie Whittaker actually stated, in a recent interview, that she enjoyed her role as the Doctor and if in the future it would be asked to her to come back for some special episode, she will fondly accept the proposition.
@@Averagebasementman Apparently, she doesn't care at all about the backlashes. So much for those who have always accused her of not caring about the show.
@@Averagebasementman Well, in my consideration, there is nothing to properly "fix" in her era; nonetheless, I'd like to listen to some Big Finish stories with the Thirteenth Doctor too.
When Eccleston was performing Macbeth at the RSC there were discussions before he was cast on who would play Macbeth. David Tennant is on the board of Governors for the RSC and during a meeting of the production for Macbeth Eccleston's name had come up as one of the possible candidates. The room went silent with all the governors turning to see Tennant's response but David allegedly had no gripes about Eccleston playing the part.
@@mystic_mimi21 I don't have any written sources but it's known across the company. I used to work for them and was told at a press party for Macbeth so that's how I know about it.
I can't think of a reason why Tennant would have an issue with Eccleston. They're both leftists and Tennant had no reason not to respect Eccleston's talents.
Always my favourite doctor I still miss him and it’s so sad to know that in my favourite series of Doctor who the production was a mess and my favourite actor was being treated really badly. It’s a shame so much of series 1 has been tainted by what’s come out about it. It makes my favourite series of TV ever kinda hard to watch
It's interesting seeing Jane being talked about since she was never in the limelight as much as Julie or Russel. It must be a massive slap in the face for Chris especially after almost 20 years and an ever evolving show and fanbase to go right back to the "old days", and not only that - Bad Wolf was set up by the producers who treated them horribly and they're lauded and took the name of the arc he was in. I bet he's also scared for other actors safety on and off set.
I’ve been thinking about this for years, as I loved Eccleston as the Doctor. I’m getting a sense that he was the Doctor at a really hard time, and he took it very personally. I don’t say that with any negative judgment on his part, more so just trying to piece together exactly what happened from a neutral perspective. I think many people would have felt wronged in his position. They were bringing a beloved franchise back, and getting the main character right rested on his shoulders. I think what happened is that he had a showrunner, producers, and executives-who were trying to figure it all out as they went, and probably made a lot of mistakes along the way,-and some fans and press that were not treating him well, making his experience a nightmare. Then, as he said himself, he doesn’t like people editing him, or telling him what to do with the character. As a result, he probably wasn’t the best person to be in that position. While I think he had every right to developed character the way he wanted to a large extent, he ultimately had to work within the confines of the writing and production. He probably had a lot of writers, producers, and executives breathing down his neck, because they were all worried about the success of the show, he ultimately didn’t take kindly to it, and has since held a grudge. I can imagine they drove him crazy, as they would have driven most people crazy, though I do think that his personality and life experiences exasperated that. I think someone like David Tennant would’ve just pushed through, and come out the other side just fine. I think whether you like or dislike Davies writing, and I’m not defending him, I think if things were as bad as Eccleston says it was, you wouldn’t have so many people happy to work with Davies. If you listen to Billie Piper in this same exact interview, she states that she has been, and is, willing to come back to the show. Then you have David Tennant and Catherine Tate dying to “get the band back together”, and Stephen Moffat always so warm to Davies, and willing to come back for more Who. Even Neil Patrick Harris stated that he was excited to work with Davies again. Sure they could all be butt kissing to get work, but I think if other people had just as bad experience as Eccleston, we would’ve heard about it by now. I think that Eccleston’s experiences are honest from his perspective, but I think it was ultimately a problem of a lot of people making mistakes, and him not being someone who does well in that situation, and depending on how bad it was, most people probably wouldn’t do well in that situation. I think it’s like one of those situations where you makes mistakes in a relationship, learn from it, and do better next time, however, your ex is always bitter and angry about those mistakes. The “you” being everyone around Eccleston, with Eccleston being the ex.
Yeah, I find it odd that certain content creators are making him the face of anti wokeness. He was attacked by them years earlier. The dude is anti monarchy. That doesn’t seem conservative to me. We have conservative in the States that worship that family. Ironically, they turn around and celebrate the Fourth of July at the same time, just weird.
I still don't get what RTD did so bad that Chris deems him untrustworthy 20 years on. He's worked on so many other things since you'd think something else would come up??
This was an interesting watch. I always liked Christopher Eccleston as the Doctor, and it's a shame what happened to him behind the scenes. Also, it's good to see a responsible TH-camr like you allowing the interview to play out, and not twisting Chris's words for some culture war bullshit. Honestly, the thought of painting Eccleston in the same canvas as people like Nerdrotic or HeelVsBabyface, over those Sack RTD comments, is fucking revolting. Chris actually seems to have human decency in him.
I would recommend people getting the Series 1 published scripts, there are some bits of information in there about how hard it was to film due to the budget being so low and how rushed some of it was. Not much, but it gives context since there are notes and introductions from the writers and directors for each episode.
Fellow Salford Alum here, actually work for the Uni now too, would've been just after you, 2013-2016 - had no idea you lived round these parts! Great video, really insightful panel and enjoyed your inputs and analysis as well. Have a great weekend :)
It's a shame, I love RTD's work and I love all Christopher's performances (that I've seen so far, not seen 'em all), they both seem like good people but I guess we'll never know what happened in detail because he is quite vague when he talks about it, understandably, but this is the most direct he's been on the issue that I've seen
I kinda love his "let's not get American about this" because it's very "safe late night TV host" like I said in another comment at some of these cons. We all know it and it must be hard to not feel you can be yourself when you also have issues with how the black listing damaged his livelihood and left him stranded. Let the man have a laugh without feeling he needs to shell out for a show he hasn't been in for almost 20 years.
Hey pal, just discovered your channel a few days ago now that I've come back to the fandom with the 60, and I just wanted to say that I'm glad we have our own "breadtube" channel in the fandom, specially because more now than ever there's a transphobic, homophobic and racist vocal part of the fans and it's a bit exhausting, keep up the good work comrade!
You know something @MrTardis, this panel proves that you and Christopher have at least one thing in common? You both keep talking about CLASS! 😉 Love and Macras M x PS I watched this as a part of the longer stream
Obviously, none of us know exactly what went on back in 2004/5, but as RTD has only been back since last year, there's been plenty of time to come back to it and he hasn't.
I’ve always found it kind of interesting those producers have somehow escaped cancel culture or major online criticism in the same way that a Joss Whedon got
Would be interested to know how many of the self-proclaimed experts on what took place behind the scenes on Series 1 were actually there themselves, and how many are purely going by one person’s account.
I respect that Eccleston made his stance clear. I do think he has a bit of a victim complex... because he can say that the Bad Wolf team ruined his time with Doctor Who through 'politics' but what did RTD actually do to deserve this level of hatred?? I thought he hated the institution symbolically but Eccleston legitimately feels RTD was the problem. Why? You cant fire a man for politics and given that nobody else has a bad word to say about RTD is that really a fair stance?? It reminds me of Sean Connery's beef with Broccoli on the James Bond films. That essentially boiled down to being Scottish and not being paid enough, but the feud lasted a lifetime! And if it was just about RTD and bad wolf why didnt Eccelston come back for the 50th? Ultimately it feels like a misjudged grudge. Much Like the Whedon debate, unless someone actually comes forward and states clearly what was done to them, without just stating hearsay, I can't take a definitive position
RTD is part of that group. Eccleston talked to Moffat about the 50th and disagreed with how his Doctor was used in it so he didn't come back to it. If they were going to have him be the one that killed everyone and be shunned by the other Doctors, I can see why he would feel that wasn't right for the 9th Doctor. Also I can understand your doubt but the Whedon thing is totally different. There's so many things coming about him from different actors who worked on different things years apart that had no connection to each other. With Whedon, there's no doubt something funny was going on
If you wanna see some top David Warner in sci fi go watch the Star Trek episode chain of command part 2 him and Patrick Stewart are at the top of their game and you can see why Chris would want to act with him so much
On this rare occasion I feel no obligation to search out context because I have complete faith in Christopher Eccleston. He is a man with genuine sincerity, honesty, and courage. Why would anyone doubt him especially seeing the revelations of Season One that have continued to be uncovered over the last couple of years. A more justifiable question and recipient would be to ask RTD how he had no knowledge of all these horrid behaviours going on. Do we all really believe that RTD back then and in the subsequent near twenty years had no idea of any of these behaviours going on? And if he didn’t, then shouldn’t he have? After all Bowerman was doing his dirty actions before the entire cast over the filming period. This for me is an ongoing issue with RTD. I simply do no trust him and his tendency for hyperbole makes me more sceptical. Of course, no charges of any sort nor allegations (to my knowledge) have been laid at RTD and he is entitled to the rule of innocent before guilty even if he had. Yet many like to doubt, question and outright deny Eccleston’s accounts and feelings. In a world where so many DW viewers are split between the ‘love-to-haters’ to the most grovelling sycophants, and all in-between, it takes huge courage to speak out when things have gone astray. It must have been hell for Christopher for years after leaving DW and we all missed out on one of the very best incarnations doing more Who. If RTD could show some greater openness and speak in less hyperbole it would be most welcomed. The difference between the two is vast and whilst it remains subjective I would back Eccleston over Davies for integrity any day of the week. In decades to come more about this period will be revealed and I am already thinking of what that is likely to include. Don't forget we already know that the BBC and RTD would have been informed of this lied to millions about why Eccleston left, citing not wanting to be stereotyped etc. It was not true. So yes, the corporation and the big chiefs do have some answering to do. Despite all this tragedy, thank you Christopher Eccleston for bringing massive joy to millions of DW fans who loved your portrayal of our favourite hero. You were indeed FANTASTIC.
As much of a chad Eccleston is, the sad thing is that right wing grifters like Nerdrotic are gonna spin his legitimate criticism to support their conservative agenda
The BBC press fake quote should never have happened, but I personally doubt Chris was actually blacklisted in any form. If anything Doctor Who would have boosted his popularity in the UK at the time. After Doctor Who what would he have done in the UK? More dramas? But then really though how many BBC/ITV dramas can you be the lead star each year. He’d have been doing TV dramas for years up to that point, then Doctor Who, next big step up step would be America. It worked out well for actors like David Morrisey.
I showed a friend who never seen DW before The Empty Child/Doctor Dances aka my Family's Favourite 9th Doctor Story, always on a loop in my house, she found it creepy *as she should, it's Moffat Horror* and Enjoyable!!! Hearing my Family's Favourite Episodes of 9 are Christopher's Favourite and Loved Moffat's Take on 9, really tickles me happily!!!
Every year we inch closer to Eccleston reprising the role in live action. Maybe if Day of the Doctor happened this year (with Moffat, not RTD) he would've accepted to return
Eccleston has gone on record saying he loves the 13th Doctor's era, considering Jodie Whittaker to be the best Doctor (he watches the episodes with his daughter).
@MrTARDIS the 13th doctors ratings say she and Chinballs lost millions of viewers. My daughter hates the 13th doctors and the storyline and refuses to watch the 13th doctors run.
@@neil4920 cool. All those things can be true. People are different. This really shouldn't be a new revelation to people (though the 13th Doctor's ratings correlate with the broader trend of terrestrial TV being viewed on broadcast by way less people over the past 5-6 years).
Where's Stretford.......Oh my Mrtardis......To say that makes me feel a bit of a twinge in my chest, lol, I think exploring more of Manchester's outskirt areas is in order.
Notice how Chris dont shout and ball about how RTD "would rather read s manuscript from wh allen or piddle about with some crappy peice of merchandise" like Eric Saward did with RTD
Guy says “I wanna know the full context” then with nerdrotic says “I won’t play the full clip” so which is it then? You’re all about getting context or not at all? Or do you only like the full context when it suits you, cuz seeing that section is really making me think that’s the case.
@@MrTARDISin that case I’m happy to be proven wrong. I was hoping I was misunderstanding something. But at the time that was how it looked to me personally. Thank you for clearing that up.
as someone who studied acting professionally, i can say both yes and no, so there are some actors who respect others who have taken the role up after that actor, however there are some who will do anything to rip your world apart, and destroy it, i know out of my own experiences, so i believe Eccleston may look to the other doctor actors and be friendly with them in public or not, it would depend on if an actor was handed the role and unknowingly are stuck brown nosing, letting the directors take complete control, let me explain what i mean a bit more, Eccleston chose to leave because of RTD, then RTD hires a young good looking male to replace him, i know i would be annoyed, and in a way it has happened before to me, but my replacement wasnt that good looking
Bit of extra context here, the announcement that he was leaving the show was done without his knowledge or consent. He had chosen to leave already, judging by what we know, but still important context.
Tennant was in Jude where he plays a snobbish fop that insults Eccleston's titular character so maybe they've met. I like to think there's no bad blood - they're both great actors and based people. Eccleston is a socialist and possibly even further left - he worked a lot with social activists like Jimmy McGovan. He would be royally pissed off to be copted by people like that.
He's definitely not, it's not about that, he's referring to issues he had whilst filming with RTD and others in the production of the first series he was involved with. Eccleston is most definitely not the kind of person the anti-SJW's and fandom menace want him to be.
I never thought I would ever see Eye to Eye with Ecclestone, but I 100% Agree with him on this one! RTD has got to Go! He is proving Fatal for Doctor Who, and is as Toxic as Raw Spectrox in what he has allowed to occur behind the Camera's due to a complete lack of either Ethics or Professionality! I Fully agree that RTD needs to be Removed with immediate Effect and replaced with someone who actually knows how to run a Tight, Ethical and Professional Production! and this, as I know this channels stance is in absolute Polar Opposition to my own, is keeping my personal Religious and Political views at full Arms length (so do not accuse me of brining them into it thank you, as they are actually why I would normally never see Eye to Eye with Ecclestone!) and sticking purely with the Points that Ecclestone has made about the utter Behind the Scenes Shipwreck created by RTD's rank Toxicity, total lack of Ethics and completely Unprofessional Manner!
@@Scroteydada Given RTD has probably only gotten *worse* since then going on how *bad* his writing has become (sorry, even leaving my personal religious and political stance out of it owing to this channel being in polar opposition, RTD's writing has, IMO, descended to the Level of *bad* Fanfiction, it is Chibnall level awful!) I would hate to think what he is probably like now!
@@Scroteydada I do *not* believe in magic, it is just cheap stage trickery to entertain Children at best, and is downright Demonic at worst, so kindly watch what you type, as I can be downright waspish when Roused. I keep my "off topic" (the Topic being my agreement with Ecclestone on RTD's unacceptable conduct, sorry, Barrowman should have been Fired on the Spot! not Protected!) views to myself, as there is no doubt in my mind that if he knew them, this channels host would view me the same way RTD would, as an enemy so far below contempt as to be fit only for utter condemnation and besmirchment, Nth Degree "cancellation" without mercy or delay, so I keep them to myself to keep things reasonably Civil, Kindly do the Same! The Writing is utterly abysmal as it has Shredded the Lore and thrown over 40 TV Series, Thousands of Extended Universe Novels and Comics, and Countless Big Finish Audiodramas straight down the Garbage Chute!, I have read better Fanfiction than the guff we got in what is nothing less than the biggest butchery of a long established Canon, done in pure spite of anyone over 12 years of age, since (ugh, I hate typing this) "Phelps is the Traitor"! You want good writing? go and watch The Tombs of the Cybermen, Spearhead from Space, The Day of the Daleks - Special Edition, The Talon's of Weng Chiang, Genesis of the Daleks, The Pyramid of Mars, Remembrance of the Daleks, The Curse of Fenric, and The Caves of Androzani! Now *that* was good writing! Above all, it does not matter how much you may despise, rightly or wrongly, the views of the fanbase, you do not attack the viewerbase, ever, in the way RTD has, to do so is thoroughly unprofessional conduct, as a professional showrunner, no matter how repugnant he may find the fanbase, keeps their opinions of the fans to himself in order to avoid a 'loss of viewers' ! I have no doubt that the late Robert Holmes probably utterly disliked some of the fanbase even more than he disliked JNT, but as a Professional he kept it to himself! RTD's utter inability to do so has proven him *unfit* to be a showrunner, as his behaviour is Unprofessional, and utterly Toxic and that is causing a loss of viewership, as like it or not it is a fact that the viewing numbers have Nosedived, that could kill the show stone dead! The House of Mouse is in this for one thing, Money, and the second Doctor Who becomes unprofitable they are going to drop it like a bad conversation! And if RTD savages the fans again and causes another nosedive in the viewing rate, it is going to be unprofitable, and just you watch Hollywood cut its losses, axe the series, and run, leaving the show stone dead in the Process, the second that Happens!
Wtf are you insane? You keep writing paragraphs and inventing arguments to argue back against. You're fighting ghosts. Rtd isn't some demonic creature, at worst he is a bad sci fi writer and at best he is a good sci fi writer. Wtf are you talking about
This production team he wants fired haven't been around for the last 13 years and he's turned down hundreds of Who offers in that time. I'm sure Eccleston is a cool guy, but he's for sure just stirring up trouble here...
I kinda now what you mean, he feels hurt and deserves an apology, but during the Moffat, chibnal eras the people did not like were not apart of the show so could have come back? Like the 50th but then said he wouldn’t do a multi doctor but how else would be be able to come back then? Not sure. I love Chris as 9 and new who wouldn’t be the same without him, he is really important to the show, however all the demands are a little reaching.
You don't understand, it's not just about Doctor Who. Yes they left the show back then, but if you look at their history, it was mostly for higher ranked job, but still for the BBC. Imagine being sacked and blacklisted for years with your career ruined in your home country, because you stood up for the "less important" staff, while those you denounced eventually got promoted. And to make things worse, now some of those people are leading Bad Wolf Productions, the company in charge of the current production. It's over, we have to accept that Chris won't ever come back, because they certainly won't sack themselves, unless Sony does.
@Chapmike I get it man, he probably has very valid grievances with the RTD production team, but to claim that they are the reason he's never appeared when they've been completely out of the picture for over a decade, then start stirring the pot again when they've barely gotten their feet back in the door is just causing trouble because you can.
@@NotAHero98 Clearly you don't get it, since you still can't see the big picture. Despite all I said you still bring it to just Doctor Who. It's not just about getting them out of the show, but them finally getting what they deserve. Until now they got nothing but rewards for bad behavior, and that's totally on the BBC. Sure the company's leadership may have changed since, but what did those successors do to atone for this? Absolutely nothing, except giving them even more power.
@@NotAHero98 He's not stirring up trouble. He's not asking for them to be sacked right now, he's just saying his terms for coming back. It's not like this is a completely random statement. He's been asked this question for almost 2 decades. He's not claiming they've been the reason the WHOLE time (although it was for the first few years), he's saying they're the reason NOW. "They've barely gotten their feet back in the door" That is a blatant lie. RTD has been the showrunner for almost 2 years now. The 60th specials were filmed in Summer 2022. Series 14 is wrapped up. They're working on Series 15 as we speak. He's not "just barely back". And when Russell is placing himself on Unleashed and asking his employees for a dialogue about his work, it's absolutely fair game to criticise him.
Hopefully he comes back as the Doctor. Depends on who the showrunner is. Was disappointed at first when Tennant took over; as for him i like him more as 14.
He’s a genuine & upfront person. And you can’t fault him for that…. He’s funny , and he’s the type of friend you’d want.. the type of guy that says it like it is , even if sadly.. your feelings may be hurt. I respect him for that. He knows his words can fuck his possibility of work by certain people & companies , & yet he still speaks his truth. Honesty though… I’ve never really heard or seen anything about Russel over the years , I actually thought he seemed okay🤷🏽♂️ BUT….since seeing this I looked into him as a person abit more.. And yeah.. I personally think he seems pretty toxic in certain bbc clips , but obviously I can’t actually speak on him as a person… 😂 But , I don’t think Chris would double down on such sharp comments , unless there was a genuine foundation behind the claims. Which , obviously we’re seeing there is. I’d love to see him come back , alongside billy. But yeah , keep Russel away… 🤷🏽♂️ respect Chris & keep him away… Not saying fire him , but just respect chris enough to bring him back & keep those that gave him a hard time , out of it 😂
way too late Davies has done what he wanted to do. Destroy the franchise. It can NEVER recover from the death blows dealt by Davies and his buddy Chibbers Besides, the BBC want it dead
Christopher Eccleston is quite stern, but he's one of the most honest and principled people out there and deserves a lot of respect. He always stands up for others, be it actors struggling to find work in hard economic times or criticising on-set problems in productions. He also has a vendetta against the royal family, which is honestly pretty based.
What’s his problems about the royal family? I’m not a big fan either but for him it seems personal
@@generalj216 To him, they represent a fundamental injustice when it comes to class and influence. The royals are rich and famous despite doing jack shit besides being mascots for the remnants of the British Empire, they did nothing to earn their position. Meanwhile Eccleston grew up in a poor family and struggled hard to get where he was and has seen many others try just as hard only to fail simply due to the position they started at. To him, the royals are the very epitome of the class divide. A load of inbred imperial weirdos elevated to godhood in the public eye by virtue of bloodline, whilst honest men and women can work for every day of their life and never escape poverty. They are "parasites" who leech off of the public money pot whilst preserving the divide between the classes through their unearned status of power.
Fully agree with Chris on this, RTD harboured a bad production for S1 and never apologised, the BBC did Chris dirty and theres a solid chance Barrowman was up to his tricks on set with Chris being ignored, possibly Clarke too. Russel and the others need to fess up to that, it's ethically malign.
Maybe RTD apologised, but it was too late. Who knows? We don't know what really happened. A lot of people since told that s1 was really hard and difficult production for millions reasons. I respect Chris decision.
@@user-Olive it dosen't matter what he said to him if he never apoligized publicly
Barrowman and Clarke absolutely did their shenanigans when he was there
@@user-Olive Maybe it was those fake statements from the BBC that's made reconciling practically impossible.
@@katokianimationhe clearly stated that he took responsibility for Chris' bad feelings and seemed very sad about it.
People need to remember that the BBC hadn't made a show like this in decades for Series 1. It was destined to be chaos.
I like his honesty tbh. Man has very good reasons not to return. Hopefully he comes back in some future with a new showrunner.
seriously what are those reasons? RTD was gone for 15 years and he never returned. If hes so honest, then tell us what RTD did.
@m.stewart8094 I think he meant just sack Russell and all that from the BBC in general
@@m.stewart8094 RTD had really bad production.. like chris has spoken about his experience many times before, they did him dirty
He's had that opportunity for a decade.
It's more on what he didn't do. He apparently didn't take care of staff (people were being bullied on set) mainly. Eccleston was also struggling with anorexia at the time. There's quite a few videos where he talks about the many reasons he left. I can't link them because of youtube policy but you can find them. I'm also sure that there's things he can't mention because it would probably cause a huge riot or because of ndas. He also seems to really not like john barrowman.@@m.stewart8094
Said it before, Russle should make a public apology to Chris. Whatever happened, Chris was treated badly and he was instrumental in making the show such a success
RTD does not know how to apologise.
The Chud channels are making it seem in they're thumbnails that Christopher Eccleston is standing up to wokeness in the BBC, but I think when he says "politics" he meant behind the scenes politics not politics in the script.
Indeed. Eccleston’s no Tory. He’s not standing against “wokeness. He stands against Russell T.
Forgive my ignorance, but what does “chud channels” mean?
@@xylicable "Chud" is slang for ultra right wing or anti SJWs,
Wasn't a question of "if", but only "when"
@@tubian323 ah thank you. Rather shorter than “radical American evangelical Christian culture war bile spewing nonsense “
Christopher Eccleston was my first doctor so therefore his performance has a special place in my heart, so it really bothers me that these grifters are trying to weaponize his personal experiences with RTD for their low effort “go woke go broke” videos.
Anyone who actually listens to Eccleston will realise that he has a personal problem with these people for work related reasons - it's not because RTd is gay, or because Eccleston doesn't like inclusive casting or progressive messages.
I agree, it's not surprising unfortunately lol
Chris always looks out for runners and SAs. If he heard about Noel Clarke or saw Barrowman flashing his Wang I doubt he would have sat on his hands.
True story; when I worked with Eccleston on the one day I'd met him, there was a mix-up with getting his Taxi sorted at the end of the shoot. 2 taxis turned up and Eccleston went to great lengths to make sure that both drivers got paid even though he only needed the 1 car.
Unlike Tennant who sang a song about it.
@@MrTARDIS Confirms everything I suspected about him right there (which is that he's a lovely human being).
What ?@@booradley8895
Allegedly Barrowman's behaviour was part of the reason Eccleston left.
I met Christopher at Phoenix Fan Fusion in June, didn't go to his panel but he was lovely for the few minutes that I was with him. Me and my sister sang some Irish songs with him! My sister was dressed as a korok from tears of the kingdom and he saw her leaf mask and started singing this song (clearly didn't know what she was dressed as) and we were like, wait we know that song! And he was like, it's an old irish tune! And we went to a Catholic school that was run by Irish nuns so we learned a few Irish songs and sang them on Saint Patrick's Day. But we sang another one together that we remembered so that was really lovely that that's my experience with Christopher Eccleston.
He never minces his words. His honesty is refreshing
You mean meant? What does mince mean?
@@rogersstinson4019 mincing words is an expression.
@rogersstinson4019 basically he'll tell you straight without dancing around the issue
While we don't know what happened fully, one thing is certain: Chris has always been one of the most straightforward actors. He's full of integrity and honesty and I actually can understand his reasons. I even agree with him about Moffat being the writer who best nailed the character of the 9th Doctor in that first season. It's what I would've expected from the Doctor after the Time War. (it's a shame Moffat couldn't persuade him to come back for the 50th even though he did a fantastic job with the War Doctor).
I know everyone hates on Moffat and Chibnall but anyone else feel like RTD has questions to answer?
Yes. RTD people brush past because he brought back the show, but his times aren't perfect.
@marionbaggins Yes. I do feel his era is overrated (or more, the following eras are overly hated in comparison) and we need closure after all these years on what truly went on behind the scenes during Chris' run.
@@benbastianiartmusic1421RTD's time is so overrated, and I agree I grew up with Moffat and people Dissing Moffat and later with Chibnall!!! I hope he will say, it's sad, because even though I prefer series 4 over 1, 9 was a much better Doctor than 10!!!
I watched this yesterday. The poor presenter kept making your typical upbeat, boost the actor's ego questions, and Eccleston was relentlessly candid and real. So funny
I need to watch this then, I find that a lot of these big cons really try hard to do this and it doesn't work. Like one chaotic Game of Thrones one was pretty small and had someone asked for more Dothraki SA scenes and saying how great they were as the actors are uncomfortable until Jason Mamoa breaks out his Dothraki speech to break the tension.
I'm British as well so the late night american TV show-ness of them is quite weird sometimes. I sometimes prefer the ones with the directors and actors because they talk more about the episodes and details vs pandering or giving fluff filled answers.
Wow, I missed that GoT thing. Wild. Here Eccleston keeps it real. Maybe a bit bitter too? But honest. @@Char10tti3
We need more actors who are as open as Christopher is
Gotta love Eccleston's punk rock attitude. Btw, no wonder that he and Davies didn't get along in the long term. The latter appears to be a royalist, as opposed to Chris, who very clearly isn't. :D
How?
Fair play to Chris for remaining honest to the end!! He isn't going to suffer fools gladly. Respect him big time!! Favourite doctor of the new era!! ✊️
One of the things I want to say is that being from Manchester, for years I had hoped to meet and bump into him.
I was thrilled when this was happening and I immediately booked after having a huge fit to my mum begging for money I more or less didn’t have. 😂
She agreed it must happen though.
And I was so lucky to hear this panel, and meet him in person.
I still remember getting my photo, I immediately and unintentionally blanked him. I gave the staff my bag, he said Hiya, shook my hand, but I didn’t say anything.
I left with my bag and collected my photo thinking “Fucking hell, he probably thinks I’m a twat!”
After the panel which I watched all the way through, I queued for the autograph. Immediately on approaching, I apologised for blanking him. That had never happened before, not even with David Tennant!
I genuinely didn’t know what happened. But the first thing he did was hold my hand and say “Don’t apologise to me mate. You’ve got nothing, absolutely nothing to apologise for.” And I was stood there embarrassed giggling like a little girl while he held my hand. Clearly I was on some kind of non drug euphoric trip!
He is a genuine, kind and amazing person. I like that he’s truthful, and says what he’s thinking. He is honestly just an amazing guy. It made my love for both him and his work so much stronger!
He is absolutely on par with my love for David Tennant who until Chris, was the best actor I had ever met because much like Chris, he was kind, compassionate and very easy to talk to.
Chris doesn’t exactly beat him, they’re very much equal in terms of my favourite actors I’ve met because of experiences I’ve had with them.
Meeting both of them was just surreal.
Also, YOU LIVE IN SALFORD?! SO DO I!!!!
I agree with Christopher 100%. He and the others weren’t supported properly and the BBC wouldn’t let him have time off when his father was ill. To make matters worse they lied when he left saying he walked away due to being tired. That made it difficult for him to find employment and tarnished his name. Sacking RTD and his team would certainly improve Doctor Who.
*chris is mad about how he was treated during his time and holds a grudge towards RTD and won't come back as long as he's involved*
Grifters: THIS CONFIRMS RTD IS... LE VVOKE!
I don't align with you usually, william, but at least you're not THAT dumb. By the way, do another nuzlocke lol.
Eccleston is certainly not some anti-SJW hero, they would reject him as quickly as they embraced him when they find out what his personal politics are
It's a real asshole move on their part to use a man's personal grievances from a bad experience as part of their culture war. It's incredibly exploitative.
The really unfortunate thing about this is that this started out with people putting words in Chris' mouth when he left the show and now it's gonna happen again with these anti-woke people making that "politics" comment out to be something other than the workplace politics that Chris has always alluded to.
While I'll admit to being more than a little chuffed I was ahead of the curve on this (I knew about and condemned RTD's unethical leadership on DW for years), it makes me enraged the fandom still chooses to ignore this. Like, they intentionally pretend RTD's treatment of crew members and abuse of power never happened, so they can continue putting him on a messianic pedestal rather than reckoning with his behavior. He is basically British Joss Whedon, it's irresponsible to deny it.
Is it? I'm genuinely interested in what the truth is here. Is there anyone else other than Eccleston who has a problem with him? This isn't the first time Eccleston has walked out after the first series of something due issues with the show runner. Cracker, for example, I remember him complaining that his character wasn't getting the good writing the other characters got, and Jimmy McGovern had to work hard to get him to come back to film an exit for the character at the beginning of series 2. What did RTD actually do? It sounds like series one was a chaotic mess, but that's pretty normal for a TV series finding its feet. I'm genuinely interested as to what RTD actually did, because to me, Eccleston seems like someone with a massive victim complex and I'd like a bit more to go on. Why hasn't Billie Piper spoken up in support of him? John Barrowman? David Tennant? Anyone else? Why do they all keep coming back every chance they get? That's not what happened with Whedon. Quite a few of the Buffy cast spoke up.
I have no agenda here to prove RTD innocence. It just doesn't sit right with me.
@@ihateunicorns867If I remember hearing correctly, they blacklisted Eccleston, I wouldn't call that a victim complex. It's open information, you can easily find it if you look
@@uwufoxie Russell T Davies blacklisted him? Or the BBC?
@@ihateunicorns867 I don't think it would have been the BBC as a whole because he's been in a few of their shows since doctor who, like the A word (which is great imo as an autistic guy lol)
Eccleston also kicked up a fuss about filming Thor and GI Joe and refused to return.
I’m just finding it difficult to side with one man who seems to complain about lots of things he does, when no-one else who worked in the same environment seems to echo these sentiments.
Y'know, there's an alternate universe where he was one of the Guardians of the Edge in Jodie's last episode, and I reaaaaaally wish I lived there 😂😂😂
On the plus side, I think the odds of Paul, Matt, Peter, and Jodie all returning for future specials has just dramatically increased 😂😂😂
Peter was forced off the show and has said flat out he will never return and doesn't even like multiple doctor stories.
@@Dumpsterfiremedia1 Capaldi wasn't forced off; he decided by himself to leave the show.
@@UomodAltriTempi Your source? Because from what I've read Capaldi wanted to continue but due to sinking ratings the BBC was not having it. Also if he wasn't kicked out essentially the. Why would he be quoted as saying he will never return?
@@Dumpsterfiremedia1where’s your source for your take?
In any case, Peter has said in interviews that he doesn’t want to come back because he’s satisfied with his era, and doesn’t want to potentially undermine it with multi-doctor comebacks.
@@Dumpsterfiremedia1 This rumor has been existing and circulating since 2018, and every time someone had brought it up there has been no sources to confirm it.
From CBR to ever Reddit itself, every time someone brought up that rumor, threads end in the same way: Capaldi has clearly stated he wanted to leave the show before risking to stress too much his contribution to the character of the Doctor.
There is still a thread on Quora about the "having kicked off" rumor, and there is all sorts of accusation directed towards Chibnall, but no sources attached to those: just an "all you can rant" fest.
About him not wanting to return on the show for some special episode, there is a very exhaustive interview on a SFX Magazine number dated October 2022, in which Capaldi clearly stated he does not like the idea of being the "Doctor Who's assistant"; so, rather than ending up as a sidekick for the current Doctors, he prefers to stay away.
Man is harrison ford of doctor who. Ya gotta respect it
Love Mr. TARDIS: “gives me a chance to rest my voice”. Proceeds to pause and talk for majority of first part.😊 haha😂
No, he's definitely not anti SJW. He is more than a little anti-British.
Curious as to how Eccleston and Davies differ if it was a political issue, considering Russell is clearly anti-Tory, and Eccleston has stated his distain for the Tories too, unless he’s talking about the politics of TV, the TV hierarchy or something.
Appreciate his honesty though.
He means someone’s internal politics like office politics.
He's never gone into specifics, but from previous interviews, he's always made it sound more about workplace politics than political ideologies.
Yeah not politics as voting but the politics of how things are organised, who had power, decisions, maybe the direction of the character
As a kid growing up in the 90s, I remember Billie's pop career started after she did a lot of promo work as a teen model advertising Smash Hits. Then the girl advertising the pop magazine became a feature of the same pop magazine
What I’m confused about is why the hell people keep asking him to comeback!? This man made his terms and conditions clear back in 2013. He’ll support any other media of doctor who. Comics, audio stories, you name it. The only thing he won’t do is come back and work with the nightmare that is BBC producers and executives. He’s getting too old to put up with that shit. Do I think Russel at the very least could apologize to Chris? Yes! Do I think Chris should come back? Fuck no! If any of the past doctors were to come back I would want Capaldi (who has directly said he’s hot coming back) or Smith who’s remained suspiciously quiet. Jodie just left and she endured the brunt of the blame for Chibnall mess up’s so she’s probably not too keen on getting back into the role, Bradley, Peterson, Colin, Mccoy, and Mcghan just participated in POTD, they don’t seem interested in replacing troughton and pertwee ( even if his son is literally a badass actor that looks exactly like him ), and Baker is 89 years old with handicap. Bottom line is people are expecting way too much from the show. With the majority of the actors being too old, tired, or just simply done. We just have to give Ncuti a chance and see what happens. Either that or the proof that Dr who continues without a show ( big finish ).
Jodie Whittaker actually stated, in a recent interview, that she enjoyed her role as the Doctor and if in the future it would be asked to her to come back for some special episode, she will fondly accept the proposition.
@@UomodAltriTempi even after having to deal with the amount of hate she got for Chibnall’s mistakes?
@@Averagebasementman Apparently, she doesn't care at all about the backlashes. So much for those who have always accused her of not caring about the show.
@@UomodAltriTempi honestly I’m surprised considering it all. Well I guess theres hope for big finish to fix the 13th doctor then.
@@Averagebasementman Well, in my consideration, there is nothing to properly "fix" in her era; nonetheless, I'd like to listen to some Big Finish stories with the Thirteenth Doctor too.
14:55 I think Eccleston is more like a normal lefty from 20-25 years ago.
When Eccleston was performing Macbeth at the RSC there were discussions before he was cast on who would play Macbeth.
David Tennant is on the board of Governors for the RSC and during a meeting of the production for Macbeth Eccleston's name had come up as one of the possible candidates. The room went silent with all the governors turning to see Tennant's response but David allegedly had no gripes about Eccleston playing the part.
Source for this?
@@mystic_mimi21 I don't have any written sources but it's known across the company. I used to work for them and was told at a press party for Macbeth so that's how I know about it.
I can't think of a reason why Tennant would have an issue with Eccleston. They're both leftists and Tennant had no reason not to respect Eccleston's talents.
@@EmoBearRightsTennant has struck me more of a left leaning centrist for the most part. While Eccleston is more left wing
You know, I respect him. He’s a man with principles.
Always my favourite doctor I still miss him and it’s so sad to know that in my favourite series of Doctor who the production was a mess and my favourite actor was being treated really badly. It’s a shame so much of series 1 has been tainted by what’s come out about it. It makes my favourite series of TV ever kinda hard to watch
It's interesting seeing Jane being talked about since she was never in the limelight as much as Julie or Russel.
It must be a massive slap in the face for Chris especially after almost 20 years and an ever evolving show and fanbase to go right back to the "old days", and not only that - Bad Wolf was set up by the producers who treated them horribly and they're lauded and took the name of the arc he was in. I bet he's also scared for other actors safety on and off set.
I’ve been thinking about this for years, as I loved Eccleston as the Doctor. I’m getting a sense that he was the Doctor at a really hard time, and he took it very personally. I don’t say that with any negative judgment on his part, more so just trying to piece together exactly what happened from a neutral perspective. I think many people would have felt wronged in his position. They were bringing a beloved franchise back, and getting the main character right rested on his shoulders. I think what happened is that he had a showrunner, producers, and executives-who were trying to figure it all out as they went, and probably made a lot of mistakes along the way,-and some fans and press that were not treating him well, making his experience a nightmare. Then, as he said himself, he doesn’t like people editing him, or telling him what to do with the character. As a result, he probably wasn’t the best person to be in that position. While I think he had every right to developed character the way he wanted to a large extent, he ultimately had to work within the confines of the writing and production. He probably had a lot of writers, producers, and executives breathing down his neck, because they were all worried about the success of the show, he ultimately didn’t take kindly to it, and has since held a grudge. I can imagine they drove him crazy, as they would have driven most people crazy, though I do think that his personality and life experiences exasperated that.
I think someone like David Tennant would’ve just pushed through, and come out the other side just fine. I think whether you like or dislike Davies writing, and I’m not defending him, I think if things were as bad as Eccleston says it was, you wouldn’t have so many people happy to work with Davies. If you listen to Billie Piper in this same exact interview, she states that she has been, and is, willing to come back to the show. Then you have David Tennant and Catherine Tate dying to “get the band back together”, and Stephen Moffat always so warm to Davies, and willing to come back for more Who. Even Neil Patrick Harris stated that he was excited to work with Davies again. Sure they could all be butt kissing to get work, but I think if other people had just as bad experience as Eccleston, we would’ve heard about it by now. I think that Eccleston’s experiences are honest from his perspective, but I think it was ultimately a problem of a lot of people making mistakes, and him not being someone who does well in that situation, and depending on how bad it was, most people probably wouldn’t do well in that situation. I think it’s like one of those situations where you makes mistakes in a relationship, learn from it, and do better next time, however, your ex is always bitter and angry about those mistakes. The “you” being everyone around Eccleston, with Eccleston being the ex.
I agree it's always sad to see the breakdown of a relationship.
Yeah, I find it odd that certain content creators are making him the face of anti wokeness. He was attacked by them years earlier.
The dude is anti monarchy. That doesn’t seem conservative to me. We have conservative in the States that worship that family. Ironically, they turn around and celebrate the Fourth of July at the same time, just weird.
“I want to rest my voice”… proceeds to talk between each 0.01s of footage 😂
The inner turmoil of loving Russels writing and Ecclestons acting equaly
Eccleston and Barrownman did NOT get on and Barrowman has been frank about that - total clash of personalities.
Well, one whipped his junk out and the other was a constant professional.
I would love to see Chris write a book about the kerfuffles about S1
It's not in-depth, but I highly recommend his autobiography 'I Love The Bones of You'. There's about 2 chapters dedicated to Doctor Who.
@@MrTARDISgood tip. Thanks for your TH-cam vids. I really like your take and analysis. Keep it up.👍
@@xylicable thanks a lot!
If you can, I recommend the audiobook narrated by Eccleston himself.
I still don't get what RTD did so bad that Chris deems him untrustworthy 20 years on. He's worked on so many other things since you'd think something else would come up??
I love Chris Eccleston! He calls it as he sees it. And speaks the truth.
I love it when you say things like “we’ll watch this panel to rest my voice” and then talk through the whole thing, doubling up the time. 😊
This was an interesting watch. I always liked Christopher Eccleston as the Doctor, and it's a shame what happened to him behind the scenes. Also, it's good to see a responsible TH-camr like you allowing the interview to play out, and not twisting Chris's words for some culture war bullshit. Honestly, the thought of painting Eccleston in the same canvas as people like Nerdrotic or HeelVsBabyface, over those Sack RTD comments, is fucking revolting. Chris actually seems to have human decency in him.
I would recommend people getting the Series 1 published scripts, there are some bits of information in there about how hard it was to film due to the budget being so low and how rushed some of it was. Not much, but it gives context since there are notes and introductions from the writers and directors for each episode.
Christopher, a Northern King
Fellow Salford Alum here, actually work for the Uni now too, would've been just after you, 2013-2016 - had no idea you lived round these parts!
Great video, really insightful panel and enjoyed your inputs and analysis as well. Have a great weekend :)
Plot twist he is the real life time lord victors
Did you mean Time Lord Victorius
Stephen Moffat wrote Empty Child/Doctor Dances.
It's a shame, I love RTD's work and I love all Christopher's performances (that I've seen so far, not seen 'em all), they both seem like good people but I guess we'll never know what happened in detail because he is quite vague when he talks about it, understandably, but this is the most direct he's been on the issue that I've seen
Eccelstome is totally the type who ban make the atmosphere in a room suddenly uncomfortable. I don't intend that as a negative or positive!
I kinda love his "let's not get American about this" because it's very "safe late night TV host" like I said in another comment at some of these cons. We all know it and it must be hard to not feel you can be yourself when you also have issues with how the black listing damaged his livelihood and left him stranded. Let the man have a laugh without feeling he needs to shell out for a show he hasn't been in for almost 20 years.
Not my type of show in the slightest, but Friends in the North is heartbreaking. David Bradley's best work.
Conservatives acting like Christopher Eclstone is some rightoid just because he doesn’t like RTD for purely personal reasons is hilarious to me
Absolutely LOVE this from Eccleston! 100%
Hey pal, just discovered your channel a few days ago now that I've come back to the fandom with the 60, and I just wanted to say that I'm glad we have our own "breadtube" channel in the fandom, specially because more now than ever there's a transphobic, homophobic and racist vocal part of the fans and it's a bit exhausting, keep up the good work comrade!
a lot of the people who watch those videos definitely don't actually watch doctor who lol
Gina Mckee is also in our friend's in the north, who also plays the good version of the master in big finish. Gina is a relative btw 😉
You know something @MrTardis, this panel proves that you and Christopher have at least one thing in common? You both keep talking about CLASS! 😉
Love and Macras M x
PS I watched this as a part of the longer stream
Obviously, none of us know exactly what went on back in 2004/5, but as RTD has only been back since last year, there's been plenty of time to come back to it and he hasn't.
I’ve always found it kind of interesting those producers have somehow escaped cancel culture or major online criticism in the same way that a Joss Whedon got
Would be interested to know how many of the self-proclaimed experts on what took place behind the scenes on Series 1 were actually there themselves, and how many are purely going by one person’s account.
Watched this live definitely worth a Video 💯💯💪💪
Right now both Russell and Christopher are on a documentary about the Post Office scandal and TV drama.
I respect that Eccleston made his stance clear. I do think he has a bit of a victim complex... because he can say that the Bad Wolf team ruined his time with Doctor Who through 'politics' but what did RTD actually do to deserve this level of hatred?? I thought he hated the institution symbolically but Eccleston legitimately feels RTD was the problem. Why? You cant fire a man for politics and given that nobody else has a bad word to say about RTD is that really a fair stance?? It reminds me of Sean Connery's beef with Broccoli on the James Bond films. That essentially boiled down to being Scottish and not being paid enough, but the feud lasted a lifetime! And if it was just about RTD and bad wolf why didnt Eccelston come back for the 50th? Ultimately it feels like a misjudged grudge. Much Like the Whedon debate, unless someone actually comes forward and states clearly what was done to them, without just stating hearsay, I can't take a definitive position
RTD is part of that group. Eccleston talked to Moffat about the 50th and disagreed with how his Doctor was used in it so he didn't come back to it. If they were going to have him be the one that killed everyone and be shunned by the other Doctors, I can see why he would feel that wasn't right for the 9th Doctor. Also I can understand your doubt but the Whedon thing is totally different. There's so many things coming about him from different actors who worked on different things years apart that had no connection to each other. With Whedon, there's no doubt something funny was going on
Eccleston was in Heroes too when it wasnt shite and he was very good in it.
I remember Christopher Eccleston being in the drama the Second Coming where he played the son of god
Got two different ads for the Christmas special in the first 40 mins, lmao I love when that happens 😂
EDIT: Half an hour later I got another one hahah
If you wanna see some top David Warner in sci fi go watch the Star Trek episode chain of command part 2 him and Patrick Stewart are at the top of their game and you can see why Chris would want to act with him so much
Listen to the David Tennant podcast episode with Billie piper, they go into detail about her origins
This whole panel feels so charming and welcoming and informative! Would've loved to have gone!
Can someone give me a timestamp were eccelson says sack rtd is in
39:50 - 40 or so
@@ItsButterBean1020 Thanks
On this rare occasion I feel no obligation to search out context because I have complete faith in Christopher Eccleston. He is a man with genuine sincerity, honesty, and courage. Why would anyone doubt him especially seeing the revelations of Season One that have continued to be uncovered over the last couple of years. A more justifiable question and recipient would be to ask RTD how he had no knowledge of all these horrid behaviours going on. Do we all really believe that RTD back then and in the subsequent near twenty years had no idea of any of these behaviours going on? And if he didn’t, then shouldn’t he have? After all Bowerman was doing his dirty actions before the entire cast over the filming period. This for me is an ongoing issue with RTD. I simply do no trust him and his tendency for hyperbole makes me more sceptical. Of course, no charges of any sort nor allegations (to my knowledge) have been laid at RTD and he is entitled to the rule of innocent before guilty even if he had. Yet many like to doubt, question and outright deny Eccleston’s accounts and feelings. In a world where so many DW viewers are split between the ‘love-to-haters’ to the most grovelling sycophants, and all in-between, it takes huge courage to speak out when things have gone astray. It must have been hell for Christopher for years after leaving DW and we all missed out on one of the very best incarnations doing more Who. If RTD could show some greater openness and speak in less hyperbole it would be most welcomed. The difference between the two is vast and whilst it remains subjective I would back Eccleston over Davies for integrity any day of the week. In decades to come more about this period will be revealed and I am already thinking of what that is likely to include.
Don't forget we already know that the BBC and RTD would have been informed of this lied to millions about why Eccleston left, citing not wanting to be stereotyped etc. It was not true. So yes, the corporation and the big chiefs do have some answering to do. Despite all this tragedy, thank you Christopher Eccleston for bringing massive joy to millions of DW fans who loved your portrayal of our favourite hero. You were indeed FANTASTIC.
he who waits
Damn! I love Chris! I love him so effing much!
As much of a chad Eccleston is, the sad thing is that right wing grifters like Nerdrotic are gonna spin his legitimate criticism to support their conservative agenda
And guess what: they did
I wonder what would happen if you were to put Eccleston in a room with Harrison Ford
Lol😊
Can you imagine is he did stay on for another season and they handed him the scripts for Tooth and Claw/The Indiots Lantern 😬
I would pick a charity that the King supports 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
She would probably go back and not meet Laurence Fox
She loves her son, which unfortunately required suffering that insufferable loser. Though, I imagine she would again, for her child.
The BBC press fake quote should never have happened, but I personally doubt Chris was actually blacklisted in any form. If anything Doctor Who would have boosted his popularity in the UK at the time. After Doctor Who what would he have done in the UK? More dramas?
But then really though how many BBC/ITV dramas can you be the lead star each year.
He’d have been doing TV dramas for years up to that point, then Doctor Who, next big step up step would be America. It worked out well for actors like David Morrisey.
I showed a friend who never seen DW before The Empty Child/Doctor Dances aka my Family's Favourite 9th Doctor Story, always on a loop in my house, she found it creepy *as she should, it's Moffat Horror* and Enjoyable!!!
Hearing my Family's Favourite Episodes of 9 are Christopher's Favourite and Loved Moffat's Take on 9, really tickles me happily!!!
Cute cat. Happy #Caturday
Love how dramatic he made the intro… even after watching the livestream…
Every year we inch closer to Eccleston reprising the role in live action. Maybe if Day of the Doctor happened this year (with Moffat, not RTD) he would've accepted to return
I fully agree with Chris and the way the latest Dr Who episodes have gone. He is right, and I think DW will get cancelled after 15th Doctor run.
Eccleston has gone on record saying he loves the 13th Doctor's era, considering Jodie Whittaker to be the best Doctor (he watches the episodes with his daughter).
@MrTARDIS the 13th doctors ratings say she and Chinballs lost millions of viewers. My daughter hates the 13th doctors and the storyline and refuses to watch the 13th doctors run.
@@neil4920 cool. All those things can be true. People are different. This really shouldn't be a new revelation to people (though the 13th Doctor's ratings correlate with the broader trend of terrestrial TV being viewed on broadcast by way less people over the past 5-6 years).
Where's Stretford.......Oh my Mrtardis......To say that makes me feel a bit of a twinge in my chest, lol, I think exploring more of Manchester's outskirt areas is in order.
Our Friends in the North is well worth your time also features Daniel Craig as one of the leads.
Is there anywhere we can watch the panel uninterrupted?
TH-cam.com
Notice how Chris dont shout and ball about how RTD "would rather read s manuscript from wh allen or piddle about with some crappy peice of merchandise" like Eric Saward did with RTD
Guy says “I wanna know the full context” then with nerdrotic says “I won’t play the full clip” so which is it then? You’re all about getting context or not at all?
Or do you only like the full context when it suits you, cuz seeing that section is really making me think that’s the case.
I didn't play the full clip because I'd already seen it (just not for a while so just wanted a refresher). I got all the context.
@@MrTARDISin that case I’m happy to be proven wrong. I was hoping I was misunderstanding something. But at the time that was how it looked to me personally. Thank you for clearing that up.
as someone who studied acting professionally, i can say both yes and no, so there are some actors who respect others who have taken the role up after that actor, however there are some who will do anything to rip your world apart, and destroy it, i know out of my own experiences, so i believe Eccleston may look to the other doctor actors and be friendly with them in public or not, it would depend on if an actor was handed the role and unknowingly are stuck brown nosing, letting the directors take complete control,
let me explain what i mean a bit more, Eccleston chose to leave because of RTD, then RTD hires a young good looking male to replace him, i know i would be annoyed, and in a way it has happened before to me, but my replacement wasnt that good looking
Bit of extra context here, the announcement that he was leaving the show was done without his knowledge or consent. He had chosen to leave already, judging by what we know, but still important context.
Tennant was in Jude where he plays a snobbish fop that insults Eccleston's titular character so maybe they've met. I like to think there's no bad blood - they're both great actors and based people. Eccleston is a socialist and possibly even further left - he worked a lot with social activists like Jimmy McGovan. He would be royally pissed off to be copted by people like that.
He-s not wrong and know the chickens have come home ect
20kg in 6 months!? Wow, good effort
Well, 18.8KG. I'll admit, I rounded up.
Chris is such a fascinating man, I don’t think he’s anti SJW since he quotes Oscar Wilde a lot, though I dunno.
He's definitely not, it's not about that, he's referring to issues he had whilst filming with RTD and others in the production of the first series he was involved with. Eccleston is most definitely not the kind of person the anti-SJW's and fandom menace want him to be.
Winnie not sticking around because she thought of new ways to ruin doctor who
43:53 didbt they become friends with benifits
I never thought I would ever see Eye to Eye with Ecclestone, but I 100% Agree with him on this one! RTD has got to Go!
He is proving Fatal for Doctor Who, and is as Toxic as Raw Spectrox in what he has allowed to occur behind the Camera's due to a complete lack of either Ethics or Professionality!
I Fully agree that RTD needs to be Removed with immediate Effect and replaced with someone who actually knows how to run a Tight, Ethical and Professional Production! and this, as I know this channels stance is in absolute Polar Opposition to my own, is keeping my personal Religious and Political views at full Arms length (so do not accuse me of brining them into it thank you, as they are actually why I would normally never see Eye to Eye with Ecclestone!) and sticking purely with the Points that Ecclestone has made about the utter Behind the Scenes Shipwreck created by RTD's rank Toxicity, total lack of Ethics and completely Unprofessional Manner!
This was 20 years ago.
@@Scroteydada Given RTD has probably only gotten *worse* since then going on how *bad* his writing has become (sorry, even leaving my personal religious and political stance out of it owing to this channel being in polar opposition, RTD's writing has, IMO, descended to the Level of *bad* Fanfiction, it is Chibnall level awful!) I would hate to think what he is probably like now!
@@simeonyves5940 you keep alluding to you believing in magic. No. The writing is great now. Way better than Chibnall and doing new things.
@@Scroteydada I do *not* believe in magic, it is just cheap stage trickery to entertain Children at best, and is downright Demonic at worst, so kindly watch what you type, as I can be downright waspish when Roused.
I keep my "off topic" (the Topic being my agreement with Ecclestone on RTD's unacceptable conduct, sorry, Barrowman should have been Fired on the Spot! not Protected!) views to myself, as there is no doubt in my mind that if he knew them, this channels host would view me the same way RTD would, as an enemy so far below contempt as to be fit only for utter condemnation and besmirchment, Nth Degree "cancellation" without mercy or delay, so I keep them to myself to keep things reasonably Civil, Kindly do the Same!
The Writing is utterly abysmal as it has Shredded the Lore and thrown over 40 TV Series, Thousands of Extended Universe Novels and Comics, and Countless Big Finish Audiodramas straight down the Garbage Chute!, I have read better Fanfiction than the guff we got in what is nothing less than the biggest butchery of a long established Canon, done in pure spite of anyone over 12 years of age, since (ugh, I hate typing this) "Phelps is the Traitor"!
You want good writing? go and watch The Tombs of the Cybermen, Spearhead from Space, The Day of the Daleks - Special Edition, The Talon's of Weng Chiang, Genesis of the Daleks, The Pyramid of Mars, Remembrance of the Daleks, The Curse of Fenric, and The Caves of Androzani! Now *that* was good writing!
Above all, it does not matter how much you may despise, rightly or wrongly, the views of the fanbase, you do not attack the viewerbase, ever, in the way RTD has, to do so is thoroughly unprofessional conduct, as a professional showrunner, no matter how repugnant he may find the fanbase, keeps their opinions of the fans to himself in order to avoid a 'loss of viewers' ! I have no doubt that the late Robert Holmes probably utterly disliked some of the fanbase even more than he disliked JNT, but as a Professional he kept it to himself! RTD's utter inability to do so has proven him *unfit* to be a showrunner, as his behaviour is Unprofessional, and utterly Toxic and that is causing a loss of viewership, as like it or not it is a fact that the viewing numbers have Nosedived, that could kill the show stone dead!
The House of Mouse is in this for one thing, Money, and the second Doctor Who becomes unprofitable they are going to drop it like a bad conversation! And if RTD savages the fans again and causes another nosedive in the viewing rate, it is going to be unprofitable, and just you watch Hollywood cut its losses, axe the series, and run, leaving the show stone dead in the Process, the second that Happens!
Wtf are you insane? You keep writing paragraphs and inventing arguments to argue back against. You're fighting ghosts.
Rtd isn't some demonic creature, at worst he is a bad sci fi writer and at best he is a good sci fi writer.
Wtf are you talking about
This production team he wants fired haven't been around for the last 13 years and he's turned down hundreds of Who offers in that time.
I'm sure Eccleston is a cool guy, but he's for sure just stirring up trouble here...
I kinda now what you mean, he feels hurt and deserves an apology, but during the Moffat, chibnal eras the people did not like were not apart of the show so could have come back? Like the 50th but then said he wouldn’t do a multi doctor but how else would be be able to come back then? Not sure. I love Chris as 9 and new who wouldn’t be the same without him, he is really important to the show, however all the demands are a little reaching.
You don't understand, it's not just about Doctor Who. Yes they left the show back then, but if you look at their history, it was mostly for higher ranked job, but still for the BBC.
Imagine being sacked and blacklisted for years with your career ruined in your home country, because you stood up for the "less important" staff, while those you denounced eventually got promoted.
And to make things worse, now some of those people are leading Bad Wolf Productions, the company in charge of the current production.
It's over, we have to accept that Chris won't ever come back, because they certainly won't sack themselves, unless Sony does.
@Chapmike I get it man, he probably has very valid grievances with the RTD production team, but to claim that they are the reason he's never appeared when they've been completely out of the picture for over a decade, then start stirring the pot again when they've barely gotten their feet back in the door is just causing trouble because you can.
@@NotAHero98 Clearly you don't get it, since you still can't see the big picture. Despite all I said you still bring it to just Doctor Who. It's not just about getting them out of the show, but them finally getting what they deserve. Until now they got nothing but rewards for bad behavior, and that's totally on the BBC. Sure the company's leadership may have changed since, but what did those successors do to atone for this? Absolutely nothing, except giving them even more power.
@@NotAHero98 He's not stirring up trouble. He's not asking for them to be sacked right now, he's just saying his terms for coming back. It's not like this is a completely random statement. He's been asked this question for almost 2 decades. He's not claiming they've been the reason the WHOLE time (although it was for the first few years), he's saying they're the reason NOW.
"They've barely gotten their feet back in the door" That is a blatant lie. RTD has been the showrunner for almost 2 years now. The 60th specials were filmed in Summer 2022. Series 14 is wrapped up. They're working on Series 15 as we speak. He's not "just barely back". And when Russell is placing himself on Unleashed and asking his employees for a dialogue about his work, it's absolutely fair game to criticise him.
Hopefully he comes back as the Doctor. Depends on who the showrunner is. Was disappointed at first when Tennant took over; as for him i like him more as 14.
He’s a genuine & upfront person. And you can’t fault him for that…. He’s funny , and he’s the type of friend you’d want.. the type of guy that says it like it is , even if sadly.. your feelings may be hurt. I respect him for that. He knows his words can fuck his possibility of work by certain people & companies , & yet he still speaks his truth. Honesty though… I’ve never really heard or seen anything about Russel over the years , I actually thought he seemed okay🤷🏽♂️ BUT….since seeing this I looked into him as a person abit more..
And yeah.. I personally think he seems pretty toxic in certain bbc clips , but obviously I can’t actually speak on him as a person… 😂
But , I don’t think Chris would double down on such sharp comments , unless there was a genuine foundation behind the claims.
Which , obviously we’re seeing there is.
I’d love to see him come back , alongside billy.
But yeah , keep Russel away… 🤷🏽♂️ respect Chris & keep him away…
Not saying fire him , but just respect chris enough to bring him back & keep those that gave him a hard time , out of it 😂
way too late Davies has done what he wanted to do. Destroy the franchise. It can NEVER recover from the death blows dealt by Davies and his buddy Chibbers Besides, the BBC want it dead
Would you shut up
1:25:00 Well done you! I think that I’ve found half of those kilos you’ve lost.