I think at least partially, conservative media wishes to be seen as apolitical, that the norms values and battles are the natural state of reality. So if conservative media is well made, it ceases to be seen as conservative media.
@@UltraVioletKnight Yes, except them(those videos were amazing and summed up my thoughts on Legend Of Korra perfectly, by the way). The show actually starts trying to make excuses for how a fascist isn't actually that bad in its last season so I think even calling it conservative is an understatement.
@@User02741 Ans Avatar isnt, at least its not about a royal bloodline? Korvina is never excused ok, and its pretty good that she taks points from villains that hhave them, ok which, is good advice, not just because but its nice. And the villains arent misrepresenting even , they are just the worst authoriterian interpretations, mao, a reactionary theocrat, honestly ther are people agreeing with zaheer, thatanarchists exist at least online that just , are edgy and reactionary, ther are great anarchists but that too. And korra left a void she stepped up to stop, and kurvina , isnt excused, she just misguided but still arrested. its not more conservative than most shows. and it eraises intersting points, its not that conservative.
The recent attempt by conservatives to rebrand themselves as the cool kids has been extremely funny to watch because they can't commit. They are absolutely terrified of anything remotely interesting. They start sobbing when they see a woman with abs.
How can you create interesting media when your media literacy is all surface level? They get angry when they realize books, films and games have narrative depth. So all they can create is shallow slop that no one wants.
Is that why all media made by the other side these days keeps failing? The Rings of Power, Bros (I think it was called), Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Ghostbusters 2016, Ocean’s 8, Forspoken, Concord, Dustborn, Dragon Age: The Veilguard… Let’s not forget that report about how 60% of gamers on Steam were playing old games instead of the new prog stuff. Meanwhile, media from Asia (where Western prog thought barely exists and isn’t popular) is surging. Demon Slayer alone outsold the entire American comic book industry a few years ago. Games like Black Myth: Wukong, The First Descendant, and Stellar Blade are selling like crazy. And their TV/movie scene is more popular than ever here too because they’re just telling stories. Not trying to manipulate your thinking. What you said is 100% true… about your side
@@newdivide9882You think Stellar Blade is a good game??? I also noticed how you used the typical talking point that "anything that fails is woke, if it doesn't fail then it isn't woke."
Conservatives often lack personality cause they believe their way of life should be enforced on everyone regardless of their agreement with these ideas. Conservatives are big on conformity. Case in point, I'm alternative (cause saying metalhead/punk/goth everytime is too much of a mouthful) and conservatives I grew up around always disliked my style and interests, viewing them as less than cause they weren't conventional. Negative attitudes towards diversity is a strong sign of conservative views or prejudice.
@@Sayid-al-Furat girl, every person in history who created change defied social norms to facilitate said change. Conformity destroys creativity, we NEED diversity (not JUST in regards to race) but diverse minds who can see things differently and dare to challenge the current status quo in place. This is what leads to revolutionary inventions and breakthrough scientific discoveries.
@@GB-vw6kr Well, okay. That change couldn't have been good considering we're probably even further away from a world revolution than we were a century or 2 ago. But anyways, I was kidding.
@@GB-vw6kr also every mad conqueror or genocidal maniac. Chaos is double edged weapon. That's why inability to socialize is generally consider as sign of disorder.
This seems completely accurate to me. Back when I was younger I remember Conservatives (regardless of the voracity of their claims) at least SOUNDED more intelligent, sounded like they’ve read a book, or had a basic civics course in high school. Nowadays not only are conservative talking heads overwhelmingly uneducated, they’re also blatantly anti-intellectual. Now, conservatives have been anti-intellectual for a long time, for as basically as long as they’ve deferred to God over science. But now they don’t even seem to CARE about science or reason. They want a Christian ethnostate to own the transes, and it is basically that simple.
The other thing to bear in mind is that you've grown up now. You're more mature, you're more capable of tolerating nuance. Part of why conservatives sound smart to young people is because the conservative worldview is a straight-forward one. All problems have simple solutions. That's very easy to communicate and very effective on incomplete brains, which have a tendency to think in black and white terms and a tendency to dismiss arguments that require a lot of knowledge to understand. As you grow up though, you gradually realise that those simple solutions actually aren't going to work, and that the problems those solutions aim to solve are actually multiple interconnected problems. That makes the simple conservative solutions sound stupid and the complex progressive solutions sound at least a little smarter.
So what’s really going on is that you are a classist individual who is repulsed and offended by working class sentiments, values and behaviors. So when working class people are critical of scientific institutions and academia, you just write them off as anti intellectual conservatives. You even bring up religion which is a staple for the working masses and you demonize it. In what way are you a leftist exactly? You’re against the working masses and you primarily identify with institutions that are primarily upheld and filled with the most privileged and antagonistic people toward the working masses. I really think all you supposed leftist progressives are just evil people. Anyone who is against the masses is a villain in my eyes. If you can’t relate to people of color, or the white working farmer, you are evil. You can’t relate to either of those groups
It’s because who was a conservative 20 years ago isn’t the same ones as today. The right wing in America has undergone 2 internal revolutions in the past 20 years. They are now populists which are inherently anti elite thus anti intellectuals. They are not different than left wing populists when it comes to social views and in a sense are having a Mao moment of viewing coastal urban elites as degenerate and weak
@@EggEnjoyerInstead of encouraging working class, disadvantaged people to reject education in favor of meaningless vibes (aka religion), why don't you encourage them to explore these things for themselves? All kinds of media is available all over the internet for free. If you truly want it interrogate academia as an institution, or do research on religious doctrines, or whatever it may be you need to actually do research. Stop relying on knee jerk reactions, read and watch what you can from all different sides of the argument and try to figure things out for yourself.
I remember there was this one time I was talking with a conservative Christian and after pressing him on just a few details about his biblical stories, after a bit of a pause, he just said, "I'm just not going to question what the Bible says."
I get a bit of amusement out of the assumption some said folk have about the bible. Like if you just "bother" to read it suddenly you will believe and...yea yea, read the book, turned those stones. Sorry, not for me. Cup of tea? My favourite odd reply I got once was "Well you should read it again!", like the idea I don't convert into Christianity as a belief was born of rash ignorance over it being a decision with weight, conviction, and geniune thought behind it.
@videocrowsnest5251 I don't even go near bibles. I just watch TH-cam videos made by scholars who specialize in religious studies (obviously ones who aren't brainwashed by it).
@@comradefreedom8275 One of my friends since youth is currently studying to become one said scholar. Mind you, they do also have geniune faith and belief too, and it is important to them. We have some very interesting conversations on this topic. Very eye opening and fascinating, and usually partially helps clear up the picture on why the world is the way it is today. Both of us always walk away from any such discussion with interesting new thoughts to think about despite obviously disagreeing on some quite fundamental things. It's very chill too.
That's unfortunate. Christians are instructed to be able to give account of the reason for their hope in Christ. (1 Peter 3:15) We are instructed to test spirits to see if they are of God. (1 John 4:1) Jesus Himself says, "If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me;" (John 10:37) We're told not to trust people on account of great signs and wonders because false christs and false prophets will perform these to mislead people. (Matthew 24:24) Faith is not blind. It is the Lord who blesses man with His Spirit of knowledge and wisdom. It is He who grants understanding. For this reason, Christians ought to be some of the most skeptical and informed people in the world, lest they succumb to lies causing delusion. "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Since you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being My priest. Since you have forgotten the Law of your God, I also will forget your children." - Hosea 4:6 That's a pretty harsh rebuke of blind loyalty and unquestioning belief, wouldn't you agree? I do apologize for your negative experience. Truly, we men are often like dogs whose master has gone away on a journey. When he returned, his dogs no longer recognize him by sight alone. Instead of receiving him with joy upon seeing him as they once did, they now fear this _supposed_ "stranger" because they are worried for their lives and those of their loved ones. They might yet be blessed with a familiar scent that grants them the eyes to see and recognize that he remains the same master they had first loved. May you be blessed in the name of Jesus Christ, the King of all creation.
It's important to understand that the educational system had continued to fail both parents and adults for the last 20 years, and now the average American literally can't read above a 6th grade level. Which means that in order for books to continue to sell, complex themes and characters had to go the way of the dinosaur. Conservatives authors had to resort to stories about politcal outrage villains and dank meme heroes.
yeah started longer ago than that but the conservatives have been pushing it to keep being relevant if the population was smarter and well read they wouldn't be conservatives anymore. Bush jrs no child left behind was the nail in the coffin for the US education system now they are taking public funds to pay for private schools to fully indoctrinate kids to conservatism and or religion.
Oh god. When are we getting the wave of “red pill heroes” who complain about pronouns and want their women pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen. Or are we already there?
Conservatism consists in only one proposition: That there should be an ingroup which the law protects but doesn't bind, alongside an outgroup which the law binds but doesn't protect. Maybe the difference you're pointing out comes from the fact that conservatives generally used to try and rationalize why the ingroup must keep its privileges, while conservatives now mostly rationalize why they want the outgroup to be oppressed.
I mean you're not wrong. And the lack of likes proves a point imo. People don't like being held accountable for bad stuff they do or say. It is as if it's worse to be held accountable for doing the bad thing, rather than doing the bad thing itself.
The difference is that the ingroup used to be, at least nominally, "Americans". There's that well-known expression that goes along the lines of "I fought in Vietnam for your right to offend me". Conservatives used to see themselves as the defenders of American freedom, and took pride in protecting even the Americans they didn't personally like. What changed was that after the war on terror, there was no longer a notable external outgroup because America didn't have any real competition, so conservatives had to find a new outgroup within their own borders, and as such shifted from being defenders of Americans to be defenders of Christianity (usually white Christianity specifically).
Oh wow - screenshot(tted?) this- so elegantly said!!! Like seriously wow- this is the elegance eloquence when only someone who truly understands the matter can muster Dang! Wow
Thank you, James. I have always struggled to define what makes present day conservatism different (in a bad way) from the past conservatism, but you have finally put it into right words for me. I think you are on point - there is no meaningful "antagonist" for conservative writers to insert into their fiction, so they turn to the culture war for inspiration... but then they try to combine culture war with real, physical war (or at least some form of physical conflict), and we end up with True Allegiance.
Going back to Clancy I would argue there was also a level of respect for the antagonist in the "let's not underestimate them" way. I remember a few times Clancy would at least give a few sentences to say why the antagonist was an anti-government radical or communist.
As literacy rates drop, marketing becomes more invasive, and cost of living goes up, our daily life becomes a lot more desperate. To punch through all that noise, they appeal to the lowest common denominator in their media. Problem is, the lowest common denominator for them continues to drop, and their media slowly becomes as complex as a toddlers first book.
Aristotle (bit of a boomer in his time as he was, in my opinion) said something along the lines of: "It is a mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." Not a terribly tall bar to clear either, but, well...here we are. Add in immense distrust of anyone who actually has conviction in trying to make the world a better place (for everyone, not the select few ala rules for thee but not for me), a seemingly all consuming fear of those who are different, being really bad at understanding how people work as human beings, a bitta arrogance and a lack of humility to admit when one is just wrong about things, and off we go.
So you think the left's hatred for white people in particular for white men and having discriminatory policies to advance minorities and women is good? That is good for all according to you?
I used to be a conservative when I was a teenager and I can confirm from experience of being one that yeah, conservatism as an ideology requires you to either not fully develop a theory of mind or to suppress the one you have. Luckily I grew out of that garbage ideology, also without hurting anyone with my conservatism, which I am glad for.
Evangelical mainstream conservatism yes. Start conducting dialectic synthesis on class dynamics one step beyond Marx and you arrive at Mussolini very quickly
14:00 I realized this as well. I don't see it as much these days, but for a while I noticed a prevalence among conservative comments making references to The Emperor's New Clothes. It was like their favorite thing to reference, as if knowing about this one thing made them intellectuals. Any time some public figure said something horrible, they weren't being racist, or sexist, or just an asshole, they were "saying what we're all thinking!" Anyone who expressed progressive viewpoints weren't being sincere about their beliefs, they were "virtue signaling." It really does feel like today's conservative is just completely incapable of conceiving of other people as having their own independent perspectives and sincere beliefs. But when they assume that everyone else secretly believes with them, and that everyone else will lie to hide their true beliefs, all they are doing is revealing themselves as the people who will lie to hide their true beliefs. No, that asshole isn't saying what everyone is thinking, he's just saying what YOU'RE thinking, because YOU are also an asshole. Don't drag me into it.
Well it's ... certainly possible that y'all genuinely think gender and se~ are entirely distinct concepts, that foreigners will have no trouble whatsoever integrating, that it's completely rational to let a person's oppression or privilege points define them as a person or that it's only normal to stereotype someone when they have max privilege points, which is otherwise extremely evil and unacceptable. But come on, at least half of it is "oh no I can't say or even think that or else I'm a terrible person", further helped by the cult-like social groups you form where anyone who steps out of line is an abuser and/or a bigot. At least half the twitlongers that pop up every day prove this. Edited for clarity, double negatives are annoying.
I think it’s because books like True Allegiance and that awful “theological thriller” that came out last year aren’t really meant to be good. They’re just grifting to an audience that’ll eat up anything as long as they agree with it. At least people like Tom Clancy were writing to an audience that actually enjoys thriller books and cares about quality.
@@sebicmiel4221 Nah. I think the actual title of the book is Cruel Logic: The Philosopher Killer. It’s about a serial killer who targets “woke people” at universities but it comes across as the author’s twisted fantasies about killing people he doesn’t like.
We’re also kind of making the mistake of assuming anyone is actually “reading” these books. People are just buying them to signal their allegiance to their conservative talking heads. The idea that people are actually reading them is baffling to me.
Ah, yes, the classic "Christian Rock" marketing strategy of doing a garbage knock-off of something your target audience isn't allow to buy so they have no choice but to buy your product instead
Part of the problem with them is that a lot of the currently active voices are intensely resistant to constructive criticism regarding the actual craft of writing. They don't want to thinking deeply about the things they care about, they don't want to refine the fiction they're writing and improve their craft. They just want to write "good guy wins, bad guy loses" where the good guy goes on a Rand style rant and no one can truly stand up to them in a battle of either strength or wits. Shapiro in particular apparently tried to make it as a writer in Hollywood and couldn't reach anyone's standards, so he decided to start his own where he didn't have to deal with criticisms or editors.
There’s no point in arguing or getting through to someone who can’t be wrong and refuses to change. As simple as it is I live by the quote, “don’t save her, she don’t wanna be saved.” Some people can change but I wouldn’t count on it.
Although dialogue with them is entertaining, especially for the religious ones where all their arguments are just “because god said so.” I have a lot of issues with religion but I’m not trying to bash it. My mom who’s deeply religious stopped going to church because the pastor started getting homophobic out of no where. My mom said she won’t participate in an environment that celebrates hatred against children of god. I wasn’t there but apparently the pastor started ranting about how the LGBT community isn’t welcomed at their church. With that being said it’s still entertaining to engage with hateful conservative Christians. I don’t expect them to change their mind, it’s just amusing if seeing how small brained they are
@Bogiiiiiiiiiiii Never though someone would quote project pat against conservatism, though I doubt he was a conservative (at least before he made money) 😂😂
That tendency in some Christian films for people to simply read the bible in order for their beliefs to completely change is similar to what they do in those old Chick comic books. Someone is walking around sinning, and then one day a guy says to them, "Ever hear of Jesus?" And of COURSE they haven't. Three seconds later, they're converted. If they're lucky. "He died for MY sins? Gee. Why?" "Because he LOVES you!" "I'm in."
It's the total lack of values for me. For me, ideology doesnt equate to values. Normally, people who have certain ideologies, align themselves with values that underline said ideologies. But its not always the case, as someone can really put their values before their ideology. In this case, you can find people who can find a common ground, with shared values. The ideology would be the different perspectives from which each person decides to treat those values, or different priorities between values. Back in the day, you could see the conservative values shine through the conservative media. Nowadays you cant see any of that, its pure ideological propaganda. Empty of a purpose, it lacks values, it lacks personality, nuance, it seems like a carcase. Back in the day you could debate why you dont agree with the conservative values or why you dont agree with their priorities. There's nothing to talk about now.
I remember reading ‘I am Pilgrim’ and being struck by how technically well crafted yet aggressively stupid that book was. To anyone with a passing knowledge of the Middle East that book is a Hollywood flavoured joke.
I know your video addresses a media perspective but even just casual social interaction it's all the same script with them; currently I live and work in a rural area and I cannot tell you how many times folk have just tried to start a discussion over egg prices and it just becomes the most predictable thing ever; I've just started telling people this white lie that "I wouldn't know because I get my eggs from a chicken coop" and for the most part it just immediately shuts down the discussion from trailing on too long, even though I couldn't tell em they're not even interested in the implications of owning chickens, they just want someone to reiterate what they're already aware of.
I think conservatives can make great art and articulate really interesting things at times. However what “conservative” means now in America is just anti-intellectualism and fear mongering. These people think it is smart to do the opposite of what experts in their field say. I would say racism, fascism, or populism invading conservatism is what has led to their inability to create art or culture. Edit: I realize that those things have always been present in conservatism but all I am trying to say is that Norm Macdonald is infinitely more funny and interesting than Joe Rogan.
I think this also reflects how Conservatives went from being hardcore defenders of the liberal enlightenment to now being knuckle dragging Christian nationalists who despise the liberal enlightenment. I also think that back in the 70s, 80s, and 90s authors regardless of their politics were writing for a wide general audience, they were not writing agitprop for a small group of like minded people because shit like that did not sell. Now we have a completely fragmented market with the internet so now you can make total agitprop bullshit and still make a hefty sum of money.
@onetakeman9796 that isnt really true it has always been an incredibly tiny number of people that can make a sustainable living off of being an author of novels. Even Frank Herbert didnt make enough money as an author to just write stories, he was also a journalist and speech writer. There are more published books now than at any other time in human history.
Have you read Michael Crichton's State of Fear? The entire book is screed against climate activism, and the characters go on page long tirades denouncing climate science. It's unfortunate, because the actual plot is fairly interesting.
I mean, you could see the signs with Chrichton's writing as far back as Jurassic Park, where Malcolm's purpose in the novel is to lecture us on how modern society is bad you guys. The way the movie largely chucked all that out and invited the audience to just enjoy the awesome dinosaurs is a case where "dumbing down" the source material unquestionably made for a better adaptation.
Brother, conservatives used to call everything they don't like "communist" back in the day. Now they substitute the term "communist" with "woke". They haven't changed.
@@theobell2002the worst part is that they don't even know what those words mean😂😂😂 they call having free healthcare "socialism", they see a black or LGBT person in any media format they say it's "woke"😂😂 They couldn't even define these words. This is what happens when your whole ideology is based on fearmongering🚮
Particularly in relation to contemporary Conservatism, I think the reason why they are incapable of producing good or inciteful media is because of how obviously flawed their worldview has become, even to Conservatives. The premise of conservativism is that they advocate for rigid hierarchies (Straight, cis het society) within an economic system like capitalism. A little over a decade ago Conservatives used to focus on talking about the successes of capitalism, and how capitalism can be used to uplift society, fast forward to a decade, and the promises of neo-Liberal capitalism no longer bares fruit. Wages have stagnated since Reaganomics became a thing, cuts to social welfare programs and public programs/education have stripped lower income people of opportunities and security. Laborers are losing more and more power, there are fewer unions, people are losing access to specialized work, and now ai is threatening to consolidate more labor. Capitalism is also responsible to the destruction of the environment and for tearing down the very social fabric we live under, causing us to become distrustful of each other and the institutions that should be serving US the people. Conservatives see this, but won't acknowledge it, which causes cognitive dissonance, and rather than addressing these issues head on, they instead double down and kick disadvantaged people and only talk about "culture war" issues. This of course is nothing new, however what seems new is the lack of courage to envision any future that substantive, principled, or remotely positive, because to them idealism is a threat to their way of life. TLDR: Conservatism is an ideology of stagnation.
I don't think people realize it's in the name. Conservative= conserve status quo. It's why I'm baffled when people in my life say "I'm going to vote for (conservative) party because I want change!" Like, bruh do you hear your own words?
@@veryberry100the status quo is neoliberalism. Going to the right of that is technically classified as “conservative” when in reality it is more strict than the current system. The modern day right winger hates Reagan and wants protectionism back like it was in the late 1800’s when we built our industry and protected ourselves from British dumping of manufactured goods.
To be fair Tom Clancy did write about terrorists in clear and Patriot Games. I think there are two reasons for this, before the 90's you had one enemy USSR, which after it fell, you had writers looking for enemies for media. Since the 0's Muslim terrorists were up their but while the danger is still their it is not at the front of the news. The only perceived enemies are culture wars on both sides and China but you can not sell media to a country if you make them the enemy. The big difference is the quality of the writing, you may not agree wit the politics of Tom Clancy, or Fredeick Forsyth, but they a good solid writers, who know their craft. A good book will always have the politics of the writer, but good one can include their politics in a way that you still have a good story.
The issues in the Soviet Union as depicted by Tom Clancy are exagerrated aa fuck. When the Soviet Union fell, the system was still supported by the majority of people. Also you could certainly say a lot about issues in the American economy. I think the fact that Americans had to step up their propaganda game is a sign of how much of a threat the Soviets and their worldview really was.
Yeah, I would think that if Socialism always failed on its own then western governments wouldn't spend trillions trying to fight it everywhere pops up, you think you'd just save the money and sit back and watch it fail. Pretty funny how terrified powerful people are of a system that they claim "always fails"....
Yeah as European reactionary, I can confirm - Republicans are just boring because they are small town Murican shmucks. Their conservative barely counts as such ;) Now sorry I have to return to promoting jacobite restoration in England.
@ it’s kinda boring and it doesn’t allow explicit material. Which is why Bluesky is skyrocketing right now and why Twitter-X is still more popular than Threads. I can see Bluesky making both competitors obsolete
Dogma is my favourite christian movie, and yes it has a non believer geting to the leap of fate, its just critical of church institutions , and yes kevin smith, the not xena ares great actor one, is catholic. Its probably his most earnest movie. Its a christian movie , and great.
Smith was raised Catholic, but he is not one anymore, and he stopped regular practice long before. I think I remember some quote around Dogma time that he attended Mass only in first day of shooting and premiere day.
They did take over the party from the 80’s till the end of the 2000’s. Then the party underwent the Teaparty internal revolution and then had another populist revolution in 2016 with Trump. The evangelicals have been continually deprived of power with each revolution
Xenoblade 3 is one of the greatest pieces of fiction I experienced. As it turns out it is about the conservative pipeline, but written in a timeless way. How tempting it is to submit to the Endless Now.
I think you could totally do entertaining modern conservative fiction. The problem is that there's a mismatch between modern conservative worldviews and what modern conservatives think their worldview is - modern conservatism is a parody of real conservatism, so to write a modern conservative story, you have to write a parody. Lean into the conspiratorial thinking required to present progressives as villains, and write a crazy sci-fi thriller about Atlantis or something. Hell, South Park figured it out probably twenty years ago - if you want to make a gay villainous plot, make the villains crab people.
Neo cons and zionists won't produce good fiction. Look into right leaning ideologies that actually have politics aside from conserving capital and the status quo.
For Islam (note that I'm a fairly devout Muslim in the Southeast Asean region, so am unsure how someone who left the religion/outside of it would see it), reading the al-Quran is secondary to having an interest in its reasoning/the religion itself. It is seen as a book of knowledge as equally as a book of faith, add to that the many many rituals attached to the religion then it's an uphill battle for a convert. There's an innate understanding by the general masses that it's not the easiest religion to enmesh with, thus reading the al-Quran alone isn't assumed as a basis for automatic conversion, more of a piqueing of interest. There's a 'will they won't they' situation happening. But there is an assumption that someone will get closer spiritually to the religion by reading it, and in that eagerness not many Muslims can swallow that someone can just read it as an intellectual exercise. It's not as one-way as Christianity and the Bible as you've described it but there are assumptions made
I mean in Christianity it's also not as one-way in all traditional Churches with ancient roots. Bible-only Christianity is relatively modern shit, even old-school Protestants did not went as far. And Islam has it's protestantism - Quranism, though way less popular compared to traditional denominations compared to USA Baptism I guess. (I also thing there are Torah only Jewish groups that condemn modern Judaism for all their extra rabbinic content).
I think there is two reasons: First, it has to appeal to a very simplistic audience while picking up on increasingly idiotic talking points and outlandish imagined threats. Second: The mental gymnastics authors have to perform to somehow make objectively bad politics that get increasingly worse look good, have reached a point where the propaganda just is too present to tell a cohesive story.
@@ElDaumo God's Not Dead is a good example. I went to a pretty liberal public university in Texas in the early 2000s and if a professor pulled the stunt Kevin Sorbo's did by demanding all his students to renounce God or they fail there would have been an uproar not just by the Christian students but also students of other religions and even atheists. I feel only a person who's impression of college came from Fox News and not from being actual college student would think God's Not Dead plot would be plausible.
Intelligent people are no longer right wing. You used to see a lot of intelligent moral right wing individuals, especially as a reaction to the failed communist states. But no thinking person can look at American society especially and support right wing policies. So the books are all now just being written by and for idiots.
I think almost any old school action movie could be categorized as right wing fiction. But hell they were incredibly entertaining. A lot of westerns were also just plain great art. It's like they lost their sense of fun and aesthetics. They became less capable of irony. More overtly propagandistic and through that, less effective propaganda.
Another easy comparison is Red Dawn (1984) and Red Dawn (2012). In the original, the kids recognise that they're as bad as the invaders and ask if they're doing the right thing. And characters on the other side; a party loyalist general butting heads with the Cuban colonel who struggles with his new role as the thing he rebelled against, and a counter insurrection expert whose first order is to stop executing civilians. The remake is completely black and white; no questions, no ambiguity, and the only character on the other side is just some guy who smirks while he executes people. It's dull. There's nothing to it except for Jed's "we're the bad guys" speech, where they gotta inspire a rebellion without condoning terrorism or reflecting badly on U.S foreign policy. Some of the clumsiest shit I ever heard.
I think you're getting at some truth here, although it isn't restricted to "conservatives" (to the extent that that's even a useful term). Perhaps it's just that creatively-uninspired ideologues are boring. That's definitely my impression.
@@constantinethecataphract5949 I disagree. We have in history ideologues who create good art. The idea that story cannot serve the message is honestly baffling nonsense. For most of history storytelling serve message. Dostoyevsky, Hugo all excellent corpus of classical novels were written because author wanted to make a message to readers. Story was envisioned for purpose of this message, not other way round. Story without message is generally empty nonsense, which may be fun sometimes. But almost never great.
Frank Herbert wasn’t a conservative brother have you read the dune series. Also where did you find that he hated his gay son? I can’t find any sources that are credible. In fact in the later books of the series he explicitly says that hating people for their sexuality is wrong and a product of the religion that has run rampant throughout the world.
I cant believe you missed the strangest 90s conservative thriller villeins: The Japanese. I guess they had a really strong economy in the 90s, but even then it did (and still does) seem really strange, like the authors saw the Soviet Union collapse and while panicking went "we cant use the Soviets anymore, who are our new villeins?!" and then slowly turned to look at a reporter on TV saying how Japan's economy is booming and then to a conveniently next to the TV placed WW2 Pacific Theater history book. One of those books I vaguely remember the most (that I last read probably when I was in middle school in the mid 10s (Blame the local 50 cent bookstore and me being a bored autistic kid who loved technical descriptions (also techno thrillers still have a special place in my heart because of how good at being thrillers they were despite my now almost completely opposite politics)) had an interesting arms race. The US had the F-22 which was basically the best thing that flew, but the Japanese had an almost on par fighter they called the Zero. And a Zero pilot got his hands on a helicopter helmet with a thermal sight feature and so could see F-22s, making the Zero actually dangerous to the F-22. On top of that the author really leaned into the whole "super honorable Japan" vibe with a few people in the government causing the war and ending the story (and war) with one of the dudes who caused it kicking his oxygen habit because of the failure. And while all of that did kinda come off stereotypical to middle school era me, it felt like a very "worthy enemy" story like the other thrillers mentioned in the video, and ultimately I dont know that much about Japan in the first place. And then there was also that Tom Clancy book about fighting the Japanese which ended with a pilot doing a 9/11 before 9/11
I think it's interesting that liberals are the ones who are stereotyped as oversensitive when conservatives start convulsing at the idea of queer, black (or really just non-white) or female characters (or indeed, any of these uncomfortable identities existing in real life) Social conservative ideology is fundamentally based around trying to shit down things that are deemed offensive or uncomfortable, which is exactly what makes conservative art so boring. If you refuse to acknowledge massive swaths of humanity (including marginalized people or social pariahs) as fully fledged human beings worth understanding, your art gets stale really fast.
@@Yiningwu5622 it 100% used to be that way, yes, but it seems things have flipped. It's "liberals" that want segregation, classifying people according to immutable traits, not wanting 'edgy' humor, and to just generally cry over every goddamned thing.
I mean of course, being conservative means of the norm. Of course a radical is always going to be more exciting, whether or not it’s a left wing or right wing one is another story.
Yeah, have had whiffs of the "not fully developed theory of mind" thing from a conservative family member or two on multiple occasions, there would probably be a third if they were still alive
On the topic of Tom Clancy, the best thing Ubisoft ever did was have Sam Fisher be a literal tool of the US government come face to face with all these “villains“ who rightly criticise American imperialism but go about dismantling it in a way that it’s just as bad if not worse.
Alright, fairly conservative fella here who has found himself on a channel that deviates from what I believe and hold true, and I would like to offer some thoughts. Warning, this is just me jumping from idea to idea, so don't expect ideas to lead into one another. If I misunderstood anything in the video, my mistake. Also, it's gonna be long: 1. The conservative authors that you have mentioned are what many of people on the right, myself included, label as "Conservative Inc.", or rather, organizations that have made a significant amount of money by parroting some conservative talking points with varying degrees of authenticity. These individuals are people who have built up reputations outside of being an author (Ben Shapiro being the obvious one), and their reputation being the thing that drives their sales more than actual writing ability. I'm not really involved in Conservative Inc. much these days, and didn't even know Shapiro had written a book. These people fall into a category of people who make money off of parroting the most simplistic and dumbed down version of a conservative message without any of the nuances. And I understand you may question why then that they receive so much popularity amongst those on the right; I would say that it's because humans, as a collective, suck at nuance in large groups. 2. The idea that contemporary conservativism not having a philosophical foundation is something that sounds more of a product of the point that people suck at nuance in large groups. Better yet, more of an unfortunate byproduct of the two-party system (at least here in the States). But the idea that conservatives have no philosophical basis is just certifiably wrong. For example, I discuss ideas with Mises-styled Libertarians, Constitutional Conservatives, and Classical Liberals. The only reason these factions seem to all blur together is, again, product of the two-party system forcing them to all share a seemingly contradictory boat together within the Republican party. I would argue the same could be said of left-leaning individuals within the Democrats. 3. When it comes to philosophy, to discount the tenets of religion seems like a great mistake. To separate western philosophy from the King James translation of the Bible is an absolutely ludicrous notion, and to imply that people cannot extrapolate a thorough world-philosophy from the Bible, you know, the best selling book in human history, borders on insulting. However, I will concede that many people, including Western Christians, suck at the examination of philosophy from the Bible because again, we suck at nuance as a species, and also because many Christians in the West live in relative comfort that they treat Christianity as a hobby or culture more than a faith. I enjoy studying Christians from outside the West (Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel), or ones who suffered great hardship to get outside perspective on Christianity (Tolkien and C.S. Lewis). In short, to pretend that Christianity and/or theology cannot serve as a philosophy for a conservative is in my opinion, very wrong. 4. Oftentimes "Conservative Fiction" more or less is has the belief in the cyclical nature of history and time, and oftentimes can come across as fairly apolitical, and doesn't even get categorized as "Conservative Fiction". 5. I have a Bachelor's Degree in creative writing. I was a conservative going into university, and I was one coming out of university. I met perhaps a grand total of 4 people I would call "right-leaning" in university, and 2 of them were not in my field. I would estimate 80% of the people in my writing classes (in a university in East Texas, mind you) were firmly on the left. I bring this up because I am of the belief that the arts tend to attract those on the left more than the right, and that's why the industry of writing tends to lean more that way. I'm saying that is neither a good, nor bad thing, just a thing. That's also the reason why folks like Shapiro's book sales come more from his reputation as a commentator (or Will Jordan's as a TH-camr). It isn't that I think that the industry is foundationally anti-conservative (though there are biases always at play, of course), but rather conservatives are simply minority voices in the sphere of literature. If it isn't obvious, I would like more conservatives to write, and continue to get better at it. Lord knows I'm still figuring it out. 6. I agree with you on the "God's Not Dead" films. All message, no substance. I liked them as a "young Christian", but as I matured in the faith, I came to dislike them more and more. Hell, I think disliking "God's Not Dead" is one of the few things unbelievers and more mature Christians can agree upon. Aight, that's about all I can muster at this time. I'm happy to contribute to the discussion.
You're spot on with point 2. Two-party systems present politics as if there are only two opinions, when in reality the vast majority of voters have not analysed their own position very much - they just feel like they want stable income and to be left alone. The system makes it seem like all conservatives are hardline nutjobs (and for the record, that all progressives are also hardline nutjobs), which results in only the hardline nutjob books getting clocked as being conservative. Most conservatives are approximately normal people, and they write and read normal stories. And honestly it would be true of progressive readers too, if the culture war hadn't created this classification of "wokeness" that presents even the slightest hint of diversity as being on the same level as a full on gender-abolitionist manifesto. Most progressive writers and readers are just writing and reading normal books, too, they're just stories that might feature a non-heterosexual character once in a while. If you look specifically at books that embody the full spirit of the progressive stereotype, the handful of books that would be considered progressive if the culture war hadn't made basic diversity count as woke, you'd see things just as boring and cartoonish as the books that clock as conservative. On the topic of the bible - of course it's possible to base your philosophical worldview on it, tens of millions of people have done so, and biblically-derived worldviews were historically so prominent that people based their understanding of the laws of nature on biblical canon in an almost animistic way. However, western philosophy absolutely should be separated from the King James version. Many of the most significant contributors to western philosophy didn't even speak English, and some were even Catholics (gasp). Western philosophy really grew out of the renaissance and enlightenment movements, which involved many Christians, and many people inspired by Christianity, but was really a movement beyond religion, which is why the US's founding principles included freedom of religion and freedom from religion.
To add onto you’re comment, most of the people that this TH-cam video would describe as conservative are far more nah vex than the the progressive left can realize. Like most trump voters were people who either voted for Biden or Obama at a certain point in time. And they’re liable to vote for a democrat again. Most conservatives are NOT hardcore republicans. Most Americans actually sure the exact same social views regardless of what they identity as. So when people start saying a bunch of negstive things about conservative people, it’s just very obvious that they live in a bubble and don’t know what conservative people are like. In fact it’s very likely that they have conservative friends and family member and community members who are conservative or voted for trump, but just aren’t open about it because they can’t be.
I have recently decided to engage in politics properly and take off my propaganda goggles, and the more I have looked into politics I see the conservatives maligned by the actions of the Republicans, just as the progressives are maligned by the actions of the Democrats. I do wonder what you think about the intersection between religion and conservative ideology, since they seem to be quite closely related from what I have seen. My personal thought on it is that religion tends to think of people as immutable which leads to the thought that our society is immutable to some extent, though I doubt that is the whole picture, and to be honest it might not even be part of it.
@@karlwinkler4223 The biggest religion in the west is based on the principle that humans have to change through faith in Jesus, which depends on human mutability. The religion/conservative crossover is a bit of a red herring. Religions don't say anything that the people who follow them don't already believe. When religions reflect conservative values, it's because they're populated by conservatives. Which makes sense, because when you strip away the dogma and politicisation, all conservatism really is is the acknowledgement that life is already pretty good and the belief that if it ain't broke don't fix it. When people like that get involved in religion, they make religions about adhering to some established great doctrine that ain't broke, eg the bible.
Conversations are boring . Then I heard him talking about conservatives and I was like WHAT‼️, so I had to do a double take on the title and I was like oh 🫤😂.
I do disagree with the left wing people who say right wing people cant make good art tho, not lately, but overall no. Espcially when the culture was basically predominantly right wing there was plenty of them making good art. It reminds me of conservatives saying that left wingers cant making good art constantly, obviously very wrong and dumb. Ive seen some people equate art as always being a left wing thing, and i would say for huge swaths of history it wasnt really.
Whats defined as good art is generally and entirely up to the individual. HOWEVER... conservatives an the right wing have this... trend of being puritanical about what art is supposed to be and always have been. Anyhing abstract or unholy and boom, they come out the woodworks like old people when there's a senior deal at the buffet. So whats your definition then, sailor? Marble statues like Michaelangelo's david? How about the mona lisa? Or country music and christian rock? Boring. Boring. Boring. You can enjoy those things, but from the perspective of a majority of artists and art centered people, these things are lower on the quality bracket. Well, when it comes to classical art its less about quality and more about the new.
@@RollerOfEyes HP Lovecraft, Robert E Howard, JRR Tolkien. All of these people are foundational in modern “nerd culture”, and all of them were right wing for their time, and radically right wing by the standards of today.
@@RollerOfEyes idk I think it's a entirely subjective thing. You aren't going to find the majority of classical stuff that interesting because it deals with themes that are entirely unrelatable to modern audiences, religion in particular. But if you can try to understand things that aren't very relatable to you it can give pretty fascinating insight into how people used to live, what kept them going, and what they cared about on a deeper level. Also I would say prior to late 20th and 21st century there was a lot more often conservative artist who were experimental and it didn't used to have that association as much. There were a lot of right wing experimental poets and authors who did new stuff in earlier 20th century. Also a lot of classical stuff might not be interesting to you but at some point a whole lot of it was new and experimental. I would say Shakespeare and Bach are still pretty well regarded by most artist who actually look into it too, for example.
@societyman6591 lovecraft was radically right wing even for his time, actually. Also tolkien was pretty anti-fash, and had love in his heart for many sexualities.
@jaredmccain7555 shakespear during the time of drag-exclusive stage presences? I mean if were saying that we can look to the right for art that was allowed to exist BECAUSE it fit into the political standards of its time (like women not being allowed to perform or do anything during those times, whos roles were entirely filled by men) rather than ones that exist BECAUSE of it (like hitler's degenerate art museum that people loved more because it was vastly more interesting) again, back then religion was also all they had. Science was witchcraft. The 16th chappel a miracle. Only from a secular perspective does it get the credit it deserves. And right now, its not the far left advocating for more AI art is it? Back then a lot of music composers who werent religious were accused of making pacts with satan. Their music calld demonic.
Yeah 100%. I remember reading Christian fiction (like mostly Peretti) and the conversions always annoyed me. Too easy, too schmaltzy. But the last one I read and that really got to me was in The Brideshead Revisited from 1945. The three or so conversions have a lot of ugliness to them, there's a lot of messiness and disagreement but also the beauty that can be in religion.
Conservatism is so morally and Intellectually dishonest and bankrupt; I have more respect for open fascists because they are at least (some) honest and open about their avarice and iniquity.
@banjofangirl3458 lol, glad to be of service, like you I'm not a social media type outside of youtube... but of late I'm thinking a sabbatical would be good, the liberals leftists and progressives here have gone so far over the edge since the election that I've grown concerned for the future of our Constitutional Republic...
The way they keep coming for liberals, they need them to make some kind of reaction or content. Their lives must be boringly sad if that’s the case. Otherwise they would go about their day.
I'm a European conservative. Are we boring? Probably, because we tend to prefer stability and predictability. I actually stopped watching films precisely because of their formulaic nature. I don't like woke stuff, but I also didn't like the "good guy America saving the world" stuff. Some of it is good though, but most of it is bad, precisely because of the preachy, moralistic nature. This is why I prefer historical drama or anything disconnected from the current day world, but overall I gave up on fiction (films, books) because of the formulaic storytelling. I'd rather read actual history books over fiction. And no, I don't want the Ben Shapiro, Critical Drinker or Steven Seagal stuff either. It's just as preachy/formulaic. Regarding the theory of mind... I get that there are other people who believe differently, but I tend to see people as black boxes. I don't know what's in there. I don't think I can say, with certainty, that I really know anyone, but myself. I can't anticipate how individuals will react, not even people who are close to me. And no, I DON'T think that others are lying for personal gain. At most, I think they're wrong. I very, very rarely, assume ill will. No, I don't think that merely reading the Bible will instantly convert people. That's an American protestant thing, not even a Christian thing. I'm Eastern Orthodox and in our Catechism (it's a book detailing what we believe in, it has a Q&A format), it's clearly stated that taking the Bible at face value is wrong... like dead wrong. One must dig way deeper instead of just reading it like a regular book or a history book. There is a lot of symbolism and allegory to unpack and that takes a lot of time and effort. PS: I find it funny because right now there is an actual real-world Russian revanchist, communist KGB officer putin, who invaded Ukraine and the populist right, led by Trump, Orban, etc. instead of fighting him are giving him belly rubs, rolling over for him, letting him do whatever because they're cowards and traitors.
@telacreiste8244 Woke = American progressive ideology. This wasn't the original meaning, but it is the meaning used today. This includes for example a belief that social injustice based on race, gender or sexuality is prevalent and a feature of the system (not a bug or an exception) and that policy still needs be elaborated to eliminate that.
@ It’s definitely not party exclusive. Just like the last 4 years had broke Fox News watchers blaming their life situation on Biden, there was the leftoids who cried about 🍊man all day and even had nationwide protests about him. It’s always been going on.
I think at least partially, conservative media wishes to be seen as apolitical, that the norms values and battles are the natural state of reality. So if conservative media is well made, it ceases to be seen as conservative media.
Is that why no one acknowledges that Legend Of Korra is a conservative show?
@User02741 except Kay and skittles
@@UltraVioletKnight Yes, except them(those videos were amazing and summed up my thoughts on Legend Of Korra perfectly, by the way). The show actually starts trying to make excuses for how a fascist isn't actually that bad in its last season so I think even calling it conservative is an understatement.
@@User02741 Ans Avatar isnt, at least its not about a royal bloodline?
Korvina is never excused ok, and its pretty good that she taks points from villains that hhave them, ok which, is good advice, not just because but its nice.
And the villains arent misrepresenting even , they are just the worst authoriterian interpretations, mao, a reactionary theocrat, honestly ther are people agreeing with zaheer, thatanarchists exist at least online that just , are edgy and reactionary, ther are great anarchists but that too.
And korra left a void she stepped up to stop, and kurvina , isnt excused, she just misguided but still arrested.
its not more conservative than most shows. and it eraises intersting points, its not that conservative.
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Given Sentence A, Sentence B is a non sequitur.
The recent attempt by conservatives to rebrand themselves as the cool kids has been extremely funny to watch because they can't commit. They are absolutely terrified of anything remotely interesting. They start sobbing when they see a woman with abs.
Meanwhile, a woman with abs has always been my type even well before the current political climate.
Meanwhile the left hasnt realised they are now the out of touch elitists.
How can you create interesting media when your media literacy is all surface level?
They get angry when they realize books, films and games have narrative depth. So all they can create is shallow slop that no one wants.
What are we talking about here?
Is that why all media made by the other side these days keeps failing? The Rings of Power, Bros (I think it was called), Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Ghostbusters 2016, Ocean’s 8, Forspoken, Concord, Dustborn, Dragon Age: The Veilguard… Let’s not forget that report about how 60% of gamers on Steam were playing old games instead of the new prog stuff.
Meanwhile, media from Asia (where Western prog thought barely exists and isn’t popular) is surging. Demon Slayer alone outsold the entire American comic book industry a few years ago. Games like Black Myth: Wukong, The First Descendant, and Stellar Blade are selling like crazy. And their TV/movie scene is more popular than ever here too because they’re just telling stories. Not trying to manipulate your thinking.
What you said is 100% true… about your side
@@newdivide9882 main commenter's point exactly
@@newdivide9882You think Stellar Blade is a good game???
I also noticed how you used the typical talking point that "anything that fails is woke, if it doesn't fail then it isn't woke."
@@newdivide9882
Wokeness was the least of the issues with those failed products
When you base your personality on just your politics, is it any surprise they are boring?
Yeah, never make a single thing your personality.
@@marocat4749 Except Pokemon and Dinosaurs, that's okay.
@@The_PokeSaurus Imagine liking Pokemon After १8
Yeah, I've dated enough obnoxious liberals to know its true.
@@marocat4749 I dont think anyones ever done that.
Flashback to that one time Anthony Fantano made that tweet calling conservatives uncreative.
Conservatives often lack personality cause they believe their way of life should be enforced on everyone regardless of their agreement with these ideas.
Conservatives are big on conformity. Case in point, I'm alternative (cause saying metalhead/punk/goth everytime is too much of a mouthful) and conservatives I grew up around always disliked my style and interests, viewing them as less than cause they weren't conventional. Negative attitudes towards diversity is a strong sign of conservative views or prejudice.
Good. People should conform.
@@Sayid-al-Furat😂😂😂😂very funny comment
@@Sayid-al-Furat girl, every person in history who created change defied social norms to facilitate said change. Conformity destroys creativity, we NEED diversity (not JUST in regards to race) but diverse minds who can see things differently and dare to challenge the current status quo in place. This is what leads to revolutionary inventions and breakthrough scientific discoveries.
@@GB-vw6kr Well, okay. That change couldn't have been good considering we're probably even further away from a world revolution than we were a century or 2 ago. But anyways, I was kidding.
@@GB-vw6kr also every mad conqueror or genocidal maniac. Chaos is double edged weapon.
That's why inability to socialize is generally consider as sign of disorder.
This seems completely accurate to me.
Back when I was younger I remember Conservatives (regardless of the voracity of their claims) at least SOUNDED more intelligent, sounded like they’ve read a book, or had a basic civics course in high school. Nowadays not only are conservative talking heads overwhelmingly uneducated, they’re also blatantly anti-intellectual.
Now, conservatives have been anti-intellectual for a long time, for as basically as long as they’ve deferred to God over science. But now they don’t even seem to CARE about science or reason. They want a Christian ethnostate to own the transes, and it is basically that simple.
The other thing to bear in mind is that you've grown up now. You're more mature, you're more capable of tolerating nuance. Part of why conservatives sound smart to young people is because the conservative worldview is a straight-forward one. All problems have simple solutions. That's very easy to communicate and very effective on incomplete brains, which have a tendency to think in black and white terms and a tendency to dismiss arguments that require a lot of knowledge to understand. As you grow up though, you gradually realise that those simple solutions actually aren't going to work, and that the problems those solutions aim to solve are actually multiple interconnected problems. That makes the simple conservative solutions sound stupid and the complex progressive solutions sound at least a little smarter.
So what’s really going on is that you are a classist individual who is repulsed and offended by working class sentiments, values and behaviors. So when working class people are critical of scientific institutions and academia, you just write them off as anti intellectual conservatives. You even bring up religion which is a staple for the working masses and you demonize it. In what way are you a leftist exactly?
You’re against the working masses and you primarily identify with institutions that are primarily upheld and filled with the most privileged and antagonistic people toward the working masses.
I really think all you supposed leftist progressives are just evil people. Anyone who is against the masses is a villain in my eyes. If you can’t relate to people of color, or the white working farmer, you are evil. You can’t relate to either of those groups
It’s because who was a conservative 20 years ago isn’t the same ones as today. The right wing in America has undergone 2 internal revolutions in the past 20 years. They are now populists which are inherently anti elite thus anti intellectuals. They are not different than left wing populists when it comes to social views and in a sense are having a Mao moment of viewing coastal urban elites as degenerate and weak
@@EggEnjoyerInstead of encouraging working class, disadvantaged people to reject education in favor of meaningless vibes (aka religion), why don't you encourage them to explore these things for themselves?
All kinds of media is available all over the internet for free. If you truly want it interrogate academia as an institution, or do research on religious doctrines, or whatever it may be you need to actually do research. Stop relying on knee jerk reactions, read and watch what you can from all different sides of the argument and try to figure things out for yourself.
I remember there was this one time I was talking with a conservative Christian and after pressing him on just a few details about his biblical stories, after a bit of a pause, he just said, "I'm just not going to question what the Bible says."
I get a bit of amusement out of the assumption some said folk have about the bible. Like if you just "bother" to read it suddenly you will believe and...yea yea, read the book, turned those stones. Sorry, not for me. Cup of tea? My favourite odd reply I got once was "Well you should read it again!", like the idea I don't convert into Christianity as a belief was born of rash ignorance over it being a decision with weight, conviction, and geniune thought behind it.
@videocrowsnest5251 I don't even go near bibles. I just watch TH-cam videos made by scholars who specialize in religious studies (obviously ones who aren't brainwashed by it).
@@comradefreedom8275 One of my friends since youth is currently studying to become one said scholar. Mind you, they do also have geniune faith and belief too, and it is important to them. We have some very interesting conversations on this topic. Very eye opening and fascinating, and usually partially helps clear up the picture on why the world is the way it is today. Both of us always walk away from any such discussion with interesting new thoughts to think about despite obviously disagreeing on some quite fundamental things. It's very chill too.
@videocrowsnest5251 That does sound nice. I do have full respect for Christians who are also progressive.
That's unfortunate. Christians are instructed to be able to give account of the reason for their hope in Christ. (1 Peter 3:15)
We are instructed to test spirits to see if they are of God. (1 John 4:1)
Jesus Himself says, "If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me;" (John 10:37)
We're told not to trust people on account of great signs and wonders because false christs and false prophets will perform these to mislead people. (Matthew 24:24)
Faith is not blind. It is the Lord who blesses man with His Spirit of knowledge and wisdom. It is He who grants understanding.
For this reason, Christians ought to be some of the most skeptical and informed people in the world, lest they succumb to lies causing delusion.
"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.
Since you have rejected knowledge,
I also will reject you from being My priest.
Since you have forgotten the Law of your God,
I also will forget your children."
- Hosea 4:6
That's a pretty harsh rebuke of blind loyalty and unquestioning belief, wouldn't you agree?
I do apologize for your negative experience.
Truly, we men are often like dogs whose master has gone away on a journey. When he returned, his dogs no longer recognize him by sight alone.
Instead of receiving him with joy upon seeing him as they once did, they now fear this _supposed_ "stranger" because they are worried for their lives and those of their loved ones.
They might yet be blessed with a familiar scent that grants them the eyes to see and recognize that he remains the same master they had first loved.
May you be blessed in the name of Jesus Christ, the King of all creation.
It's important to understand that the educational system had continued to fail both parents and adults for the last 20 years, and now the average American literally can't read above a 6th grade level.
Which means that in order for books to continue to sell, complex themes and characters had to go the way of the dinosaur.
Conservatives authors had to resort to stories about politcal outrage villains and dank meme heroes.
yeah started longer ago than that but the conservatives have been pushing it to keep being relevant if the population was smarter and well read they wouldn't be conservatives anymore. Bush jrs no child left behind was the nail in the coffin for the US education system now they are taking public funds to pay for private schools to fully indoctrinate kids to conservatism and or religion.
Oh god. When are we getting the wave of “red pill heroes” who complain about pronouns and want their women pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen. Or are we already there?
you can than No child Left behind for that
Conservatism consists in only one proposition: That there should be an ingroup which the law protects but doesn't bind, alongside an outgroup which the law binds but doesn't protect.
Maybe the difference you're pointing out comes from the fact that conservatives generally used to try and rationalize why the ingroup must keep its privileges, while conservatives now mostly rationalize why they want the outgroup to be oppressed.
I mean you're not wrong. And the lack of likes proves a point imo. People don't like being held accountable for bad stuff they do or say. It is as if it's worse to be held accountable for doing the bad thing, rather than doing the bad thing itself.
That's a very good point.
@SyndroOmCani they want freedom without responsibility for themselves, but no freedom and all the responsibility for others
The difference is that the ingroup used to be, at least nominally, "Americans". There's that well-known expression that goes along the lines of "I fought in Vietnam for your right to offend me". Conservatives used to see themselves as the defenders of American freedom, and took pride in protecting even the Americans they didn't personally like. What changed was that after the war on terror, there was no longer a notable external outgroup because America didn't have any real competition, so conservatives had to find a new outgroup within their own borders, and as such shifted from being defenders of Americans to be defenders of Christianity (usually white Christianity specifically).
Oh wow - screenshot(tted?) this- so elegantly said!!!
Like seriously wow- this is the elegance eloquence when only someone who truly understands the matter can muster
Dang! Wow
you pretty much described the difference between Learning and Believing.
Thank you, James. I have always struggled to define what makes present day conservatism different (in a bad way) from the past conservatism, but you have finally put it into right words for me. I think you are on point - there is no meaningful "antagonist" for conservative writers to insert into their fiction, so they turn to the culture war for inspiration... but then they try to combine culture war with real, physical war (or at least some form of physical conflict), and we end up with True Allegiance.
Going back to Clancy I would argue there was also a level of respect for the antagonist in the "let's not underestimate them" way. I remember a few times Clancy would at least give a few sentences to say why the antagonist was an anti-government radical or communist.
As literacy rates drop, marketing becomes more invasive, and cost of living goes up, our daily life becomes a lot more desperate. To punch through all that noise, they appeal to the lowest common denominator in their media. Problem is, the lowest common denominator for them continues to drop, and their media slowly becomes as complex as a toddlers first book.
Antifa Biker Ninjas from Trigger Warning
Aristotle (bit of a boomer in his time as he was, in my opinion) said something along the lines of: "It is a mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." Not a terribly tall bar to clear either, but, well...here we are. Add in immense distrust of anyone who actually has conviction in trying to make the world a better place (for everyone, not the select few ala rules for thee but not for me), a seemingly all consuming fear of those who are different, being really bad at understanding how people work as human beings, a bitta arrogance and a lack of humility to admit when one is just wrong about things, and off we go.
True!
So you think the left's hatred for white people in particular for white men and having discriminatory policies to advance minorities and women is good? That is good for all according to you?
I used to be a conservative when I was a teenager and I can confirm from experience of being one that yeah, conservatism as an ideology requires you to either not fully develop a theory of mind or to suppress the one you have. Luckily I grew out of that garbage ideology, also without hurting anyone with my conservatism, which I am glad for.
Evangelical mainstream conservatism yes. Start conducting dialectic synthesis on class dynamics one step beyond Marx and you arrive at Mussolini very quickly
14:00 I realized this as well. I don't see it as much these days, but for a while I noticed a prevalence among conservative comments making references to The Emperor's New Clothes. It was like their favorite thing to reference, as if knowing about this one thing made them intellectuals. Any time some public figure said something horrible, they weren't being racist, or sexist, or just an asshole, they were "saying what we're all thinking!" Anyone who expressed progressive viewpoints weren't being sincere about their beliefs, they were "virtue signaling."
It really does feel like today's conservative is just completely incapable of conceiving of other people as having their own independent perspectives and sincere beliefs. But when they assume that everyone else secretly believes with them, and that everyone else will lie to hide their true beliefs, all they are doing is revealing themselves as the people who will lie to hide their true beliefs. No, that asshole isn't saying what everyone is thinking, he's just saying what YOU'RE thinking, because YOU are also an asshole. Don't drag me into it.
Well it's ... certainly possible that y'all genuinely think gender and se~ are entirely distinct concepts, that foreigners will have no trouble whatsoever integrating, that it's completely rational to let a person's oppression or privilege points define them as a person or that it's only normal to stereotype someone when they have max privilege points, which is otherwise extremely evil and unacceptable.
But come on, at least half of it is "oh no I can't say or even think that or else I'm a terrible person", further helped by the cult-like social groups you form where anyone who steps out of line is an abuser and/or a bigot. At least half the twitlongers that pop up every day prove this.
Edited for clarity, double negatives are annoying.
I think it’s because books like True Allegiance and that awful “theological thriller” that came out last year aren’t really meant to be good. They’re just grifting to an audience that’ll eat up anything as long as they agree with it. At least people like Tom Clancy were writing to an audience that actually enjoys thriller books and cares about quality.
"That awful theological thriller"
Sound of Freedom, right?😁
@@sebicmiel4221 Nah. I think the actual title of the book is Cruel Logic: The Philosopher Killer. It’s about a serial killer who targets “woke people” at universities but it comes across as the author’s twisted fantasies about killing people he doesn’t like.
We’re also kind of making the mistake of assuming anyone is actually “reading” these books. People are just buying them to signal their allegiance to their conservative talking heads. The idea that people are actually reading them is baffling to me.
@@marianatheschizoid5912 I have to admit that I've never heard of that book
Ah, yes, the classic "Christian Rock" marketing strategy of doing a garbage knock-off of something your target audience isn't allow to buy so they have no choice but to buy your product instead
I used to be conservative. The Iraq War and the denial of climate change fixed that right up.
The tedious banality of reactionary conservatives.
Part of the problem with them is that a lot of the currently active voices are intensely resistant to constructive criticism regarding the actual craft of writing. They don't want to thinking deeply about the things they care about, they don't want to refine the fiction they're writing and improve their craft. They just want to write "good guy wins, bad guy loses" where the good guy goes on a Rand style rant and no one can truly stand up to them in a battle of either strength or wits. Shapiro in particular apparently tried to make it as a writer in Hollywood and couldn't reach anyone's standards, so he decided to start his own where he didn't have to deal with criticisms or editors.
Yeah I’ve noticed conservatives are incredibly repetitive. And also highly media illiterate
Been arguing with them for decades now and have yet to encounter an original argument.
It’s even worse now. Every night they tune into Fox News and Daily Wire to receive their programming.
There’s no point in arguing or getting through to someone who can’t be wrong and refuses to change. As simple as it is I live by the quote, “don’t save her, she don’t wanna be saved.” Some people can change but I wouldn’t count on it.
Although dialogue with them is entertaining, especially for the religious ones where all their arguments are just “because god said so.” I have a lot of issues with religion but I’m not trying to bash it. My mom who’s deeply religious stopped going to church because the pastor started getting homophobic out of no where. My mom said she won’t participate in an environment that celebrates hatred against children of god. I wasn’t there but apparently the pastor started ranting about how the LGBT community isn’t welcomed at their church. With that being said it’s still entertaining to engage with hateful conservative Christians. I don’t expect them to change their mind, it’s just amusing if seeing how small brained they are
@Bogiiiiiiiiiiii Never though someone would quote project pat against conservatism, though I doubt he was a conservative (at least before he made money) 😂😂
That tendency in some Christian films for people to simply read the bible in order for their beliefs to completely change is similar to what they do in those old Chick comic books. Someone is walking around sinning, and then one day a guy says to them, "Ever hear of Jesus?" And of COURSE they haven't. Three seconds later, they're converted. If they're lucky.
"He died for MY sins? Gee. Why?"
"Because he LOVES you!"
"I'm in."
It's the total lack of values for me. For me, ideology doesnt equate to values. Normally, people who have certain ideologies, align themselves with values that underline said ideologies.
But its not always the case, as someone can really put their values before their ideology. In this case, you can find people who can find a common ground, with shared values. The ideology would be the different perspectives from which each person decides to treat those values, or different priorities between values.
Back in the day, you could see the conservative values shine through the conservative media. Nowadays you cant see any of that, its pure ideological propaganda. Empty of a purpose, it lacks values, it lacks personality, nuance, it seems like a carcase. Back in the day you could debate why you dont agree with the conservative values or why you dont agree with their priorities. There's nothing to talk about now.
A leftist speaking about lack of values of conservatives? Are you serious lol?
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I remember reading ‘I am Pilgrim’ and being struck by how technically well crafted yet aggressively stupid that book was. To anyone with a passing knowledge of the Middle East that book is a Hollywood flavoured joke.
oh yeah? mind summarizing it?
Conservatism also crashes Economies 😂
I know your video addresses a media perspective but even just casual social interaction it's all the same script with them; currently I live and work in a rural area and I cannot tell you how many times folk have just tried to start a discussion over egg prices and it just becomes the most predictable thing ever; I've just started telling people this white lie that "I wouldn't know because I get my eggs from a chicken coop" and for the most part it just immediately shuts down the discussion from trailing on too long, even though I couldn't tell em they're not even interested in the implications of owning chickens, they just want someone to reiterate what they're already aware of.
What do they blame "egg prices", though? Purple hair?
I think conservatives can make great art and articulate really interesting things at times. However what “conservative” means now in America is just anti-intellectualism and fear mongering. These people think it is smart to do the opposite of what experts in their field say. I would say racism, fascism, or populism invading conservatism is what has led to their inability to create art or culture.
Edit: I realize that those things have always been present in conservatism but all I am trying to say is that Norm Macdonald is infinitely more funny and interesting than Joe Rogan.
They're also not funny. FYI
Exhibit A: Joe Rogan’s Stand-Up
Exhibit B: anything Bill Burr
They repeat and spam the same jokes/comments that they hear from their favourite alt right podcast channels.
They're so damn boring.
@@eddieray They only repeat the bad jokes. Then blame the audience when no one laughs.
@@eddieray"Hey what's the deal with those trans people, amirite?????" -Peak conservative humor I mean just absolute comedy gold from that bunch😂😂😂
I think this also reflects how Conservatives went from being hardcore defenders of the liberal enlightenment to now being knuckle dragging Christian nationalists who despise the liberal enlightenment.
I also think that back in the 70s, 80s, and 90s authors regardless of their politics were writing for a wide general audience, they were not writing agitprop for a small group of like minded people because shit like that did not sell.
Now we have a completely fragmented market with the internet so now you can make total agitprop bullshit and still make a hefty sum of money.
and yet, paradoxically, it's simultaneously harder to make a living off writing
They were lying then. The lies are simply abandoned now for not being useful
@onetakeman9796 that isnt really true it has always been an incredibly tiny number of people that can make a sustainable living off of being an author of novels. Even Frank Herbert didnt make enough money as an author to just write stories, he was also a journalist and speech writer.
There are more published books now than at any other time in human history.
Have you read Michael Crichton's State of Fear? The entire book is screed against climate activism, and the characters go on page long tirades denouncing climate science. It's unfortunate, because the actual plot is fairly interesting.
Didn't Crichton get a reward from a oil company for that book?
@@dalekrenegade2596 Not sure, but I would not be surprised.
Was that the one where a character had the name of a critic who had knocked him, and was a pedophile with a small penis?
I mean, you could see the signs with Chrichton's writing as far back as Jurassic Park, where Malcolm's purpose in the novel is to lecture us on how modern society is bad you guys. The way the movie largely chucked all that out and invited the audience to just enjoy the awesome dinosaurs is a case where "dumbing down" the source material unquestionably made for a better adaptation.
@paulgibbon5991
And the movie still had it's intelligent moments.
If you talk to them they smile as they give their "arguments." Like they know it's disingenuous.
They went from being sane libertarian types to the illiberal "my way or the highway" types. Very predictable what they are going to say.
they went from Dale Gribble to Ted Kazinsky.
This was never the case . They have always been crazy.
Brother, conservatives used to call everything they don't like "communist" back in the day.
Now they substitute the term "communist" with "woke". They haven't changed.
@@theobell2002the worst part is that they don't even know what those words mean😂😂😂 they call having free healthcare "socialism", they see a black or LGBT person in any media format they say it's "woke"😂😂 They couldn't even define these words. This is what happens when your whole ideology is based on fearmongering🚮
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Finally someone said it out loud
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They actively refuse to understand the building blocks of storytelling and even the english language its no wonder they cant write a good book
You're right. Politics aside...What percent of Americans have basic thinking / reasoning skills?
Based on the recent election, less than half.
Particularly in relation to contemporary Conservatism, I think the reason why they are incapable of producing good or inciteful media is because of how obviously flawed their worldview has become, even to Conservatives.
The premise of conservativism is that they advocate for rigid hierarchies (Straight, cis het society) within an economic system like capitalism. A little over a decade ago Conservatives used to focus on talking about the successes of capitalism, and how capitalism can be used to uplift society, fast forward to a decade, and the promises of neo-Liberal capitalism no longer bares fruit.
Wages have stagnated since Reaganomics became a thing, cuts to social welfare programs and public programs/education have stripped lower income people of opportunities and security.
Laborers are losing more and more power, there are fewer unions, people are losing access to specialized work, and now ai is threatening to consolidate more labor.
Capitalism is also responsible to the destruction of the environment and for tearing down the very social fabric we live under, causing us to become distrustful of each other and the institutions that should be serving US the people.
Conservatives see this, but won't acknowledge it, which causes cognitive dissonance, and rather than addressing these issues head on, they instead double down and kick disadvantaged people and only talk about "culture war" issues. This of course is nothing new, however what seems new is the lack of courage to envision any future that substantive, principled, or remotely positive, because to them idealism is a threat to their way of life.
TLDR: Conservatism is an ideology of stagnation.
I don't think people realize it's in the name. Conservative= conserve status quo. It's why I'm baffled when people in my life say "I'm going to vote for (conservative) party because I want change!" Like, bruh do you hear your own words?
@@veryberry100the status quo is neoliberalism. Going to the right of that is technically classified as “conservative” when in reality it is more strict than the current system. The modern day right winger hates Reagan and wants protectionism back like it was in the late 1800’s when we built our industry and protected ourselves from British dumping of manufactured goods.
To be fair Tom Clancy did write about terrorists in clear and Patriot Games.
I think there are two reasons for this, before the 90's you had one enemy USSR, which after it fell, you had writers looking for enemies for media.
Since the 0's Muslim terrorists were up their but while the danger is still their it is not at the front of the news.
The only perceived enemies are culture wars on both sides and China but you can not sell media to a country if you make them the enemy.
The big difference is the quality of the writing, you may not agree wit the politics of Tom Clancy, or Fredeick Forsyth, but they a good solid writers, who know their craft.
A good book will always have the politics of the writer, but good one can include their politics in a way that you still have a good story.
The issues in the Soviet Union as depicted by Tom Clancy are exagerrated aa fuck. When the Soviet Union fell, the system was still supported by the majority of people. Also you could certainly say a lot about issues in the American economy. I think the fact that Americans had to step up their propaganda game is a sign of how much of a threat the Soviets and their worldview really was.
Yeah, I would think that if Socialism always failed on its own then western governments wouldn't spend trillions trying to fight it everywhere pops up, you think you'd just save the money and sit back and watch it fail.
Pretty funny how terrified powerful people are of a system that they claim "always fails"....
You haven’t been looking in the right places
Some of the crazy subgroups are very entertaining
Yeah as European reactionary, I can confirm - Republicans are just boring because they are small town Murican shmucks. Their conservative barely counts as such ;)
Now sorry I have to return to promoting jacobite restoration in England.
I’m on Bluesky and Threads
Is threads good or is it mostly dead?
@ it’s kinda boring and it doesn’t allow explicit material. Which is why Bluesky is skyrocketing right now and why Twitter-X is still more popular than Threads. I can see Bluesky making both competitors obsolete
@ Bluesky can only succeed if there are ads and the leadership keeps the lights on for it.
@ that will come with time. Right now it’s growing due to the mass exodus from Twitter. Twitter will likely become obsolete like MySpace.
Dogma is my favourite christian movie, and yes it has a non believer geting to the leap of fate, its just critical of church institutions , and yes kevin smith, the not xena ares great actor one, is catholic. Its probably his most earnest movie.
Its a christian movie , and great.
Smith was raised Catholic, but he is not one anymore, and he stopped regular practice long before.
I think I remember some quote around Dogma time that he attended Mass only in first day of shooting and premiere day.
For a second I read this as Conservatives are Boing
at this point they are cultists
They wanna enjoy art while killing it.
My theory: Evangelicals took over the party
They did take over the party from the 80’s till the end of the 2000’s. Then the party underwent the Teaparty internal revolution and then had another populist revolution in 2016 with Trump. The evangelicals have been continually deprived of power with each revolution
Generally correct.
Being opposed to any change thats not regression makes you boring by definition
I thought it was "theory of mind" not because it's an idea or a theory, but because you're able to develop a theory of what others believe and feel.
Xenoblade 3 is one of the greatest pieces of fiction I experienced. As it turns out it is about the conservative pipeline, but written in a timeless way. How tempting it is to submit to the Endless Now.
I know you have a PS5 right there, but if you have a Switch, highly recommend.
Okay, but so are you.
I think you could totally do entertaining modern conservative fiction. The problem is that there's a mismatch between modern conservative worldviews and what modern conservatives think their worldview is - modern conservatism is a parody of real conservatism, so to write a modern conservative story, you have to write a parody. Lean into the conspiratorial thinking required to present progressives as villains, and write a crazy sci-fi thriller about Atlantis or something. Hell, South Park figured it out probably twenty years ago - if you want to make a gay villainous plot, make the villains crab people.
Entertaining modern conservative fiction, like the work of Taylor Sheridan
Neo cons and zionists won't produce good fiction. Look into right leaning ideologies that actually have politics aside from conserving capital and the status quo.
Boring and wicked
For Islam (note that I'm a fairly devout Muslim in the Southeast Asean region, so am unsure how someone who left the religion/outside of it would see it), reading the al-Quran is secondary to having an interest in its reasoning/the religion itself. It is seen as a book of knowledge as equally as a book of faith, add to that the many many rituals attached to the religion then it's an uphill battle for a convert. There's an innate understanding by the general masses that it's not the easiest religion to enmesh with, thus reading the al-Quran alone isn't assumed as a basis for automatic conversion, more of a piqueing of interest. There's a 'will they won't they' situation happening. But there is an assumption that someone will get closer spiritually to the religion by reading it, and in that eagerness not many Muslims can swallow that someone can just read it as an intellectual exercise. It's not as one-way as Christianity and the Bible as you've described it but there are assumptions made
I mean in Christianity it's also not as one-way in all traditional Churches with ancient roots. Bible-only Christianity is relatively modern shit, even old-school Protestants did not went as far.
And Islam has it's protestantism - Quranism, though way less popular compared to traditional denominations compared to USA Baptism I guess. (I also thing there are Torah only Jewish groups that condemn modern Judaism for all their extra rabbinic content).
Did not know he had a second channel
So the soviet union being bad didn't make conservatives any better china is also bad
True.
What do you think caused the drop in quality of right-wing fiction?
I think there is two reasons:
First, it has to appeal to a very simplistic audience while picking up on increasingly idiotic talking points and outlandish imagined threats.
Second: The mental gymnastics authors have to perform to somehow make objectively bad politics that get increasingly worse look good, have reached a point where the propaganda just is too present to tell a cohesive story.
@@ElDaumo God's Not Dead is a good example. I went to a pretty liberal public university in Texas in the early 2000s and if a professor pulled the stunt Kevin Sorbo's did by demanding all his students to renounce God or they fail there would have been an uproar not just by the Christian students but also students of other religions and even atheists. I feel only a person who's impression of college came from Fox News and not from being actual college student would think God's Not Dead plot would be plausible.
Intelligent people are no longer right wing. You used to see a lot of intelligent moral right wing individuals, especially as a reaction to the failed communist states. But no thinking person can look at American society especially and support right wing policies. So the books are all now just being written by and for idiots.
They just kind of stopped trying as time went on. Also too many Tom Clancy wannabees.
I think almost any old school action movie could be categorized as right wing fiction. But hell they were incredibly entertaining. A lot of westerns were also just plain great art.
It's like they lost their sense of fun and aesthetics. They became less capable of irony. More overtly propagandistic and through that, less effective propaganda.
You read Critical Drinker’s book? Whew…bless your heart.
What was the base for conservativism in the 80's ? Trickle down economics ? Anti civil rights?
Hey, let's be fair. Watching Rudy shart himself in court was pretty captivating
those anti-woke talkers are boring.
Facts.
this notion has strongly bound to my mind
They're so boring 😂
Another easy comparison is Red Dawn (1984) and Red Dawn (2012).
In the original, the kids recognise that they're as bad as the invaders and ask if they're doing the right thing.
And characters on the other side; a party loyalist general butting heads with the Cuban colonel who struggles with his new role as the thing he rebelled against, and a counter insurrection expert whose first order is to stop executing civilians.
The remake is completely black and white; no questions, no ambiguity, and the only character on the other side is just some guy who smirks while he executes people.
It's dull. There's nothing to it except for Jed's "we're the bad guys" speech, where they gotta inspire a rebellion without condoning terrorism or reflecting badly on U.S foreign policy. Some of the clumsiest shit I ever heard.
I think you're getting at some truth here, although it isn't restricted to "conservatives" (to the extent that that's even a useful term). Perhaps it's just that creatively-uninspired ideologues are boring. That's definitely my impression.
Ideologues regardless of the side they represent will always produce stale and unoriginal work because the point is the message and not the story.
@@constantinethecataphract5949 I disagree. We have in history ideologues who create good art.
The idea that story cannot serve the message is honestly baffling nonsense. For most of history storytelling serve message.
Dostoyevsky, Hugo all excellent corpus of classical novels were written because author wanted to make a message to readers. Story was envisioned for purpose of this message, not other way round.
Story without message is generally empty nonsense, which may be fun sometimes. But almost never great.
Frank Herbert wasn’t a conservative brother have you read the dune series. Also where did you find that he hated his gay son? I can’t find any sources that are credible. In fact in the later books of the series he explicitly says that hating people for their sexuality is wrong and a product of the religion that has run rampant throughout the world.
I cant believe you missed the strangest 90s conservative thriller villeins: The Japanese. I guess they had a really strong economy in the 90s, but even then it did (and still does) seem really strange, like the authors saw the Soviet Union collapse and while panicking went "we cant use the Soviets anymore, who are our new villeins?!" and then slowly turned to look at a reporter on TV saying how Japan's economy is booming and then to a conveniently next to the TV placed WW2 Pacific Theater history book.
One of those books I vaguely remember the most (that I last read probably when I was in middle school in the mid 10s (Blame the local 50 cent bookstore and me being a bored autistic kid who loved technical descriptions (also techno thrillers still have a special place in my heart because of how good at being thrillers they were despite my now almost completely opposite politics)) had an interesting arms race. The US had the F-22 which was basically the best thing that flew, but the Japanese had an almost on par fighter they called the Zero. And a Zero pilot got his hands on a helicopter helmet with a thermal sight feature and so could see F-22s, making the Zero actually dangerous to the F-22. On top of that the author really leaned into the whole "super honorable Japan" vibe with a few people in the government causing the war and ending the story (and war) with one of the dudes who caused it kicking his oxygen habit because of the failure. And while all of that did kinda come off stereotypical to middle school era me, it felt like a very "worthy enemy" story like the other thrillers mentioned in the video, and ultimately I dont know that much about Japan in the first place. And then there was also that Tom Clancy book about fighting the Japanese which ended with a pilot doing a 9/11 before 9/11
As opposed to the "THAT'S OFFENSIVE" crowd? please.
I think it's interesting that liberals are the ones who are stereotyped as oversensitive when conservatives start convulsing at the idea of queer, black (or really just non-white) or female characters (or indeed, any of these uncomfortable identities existing in real life)
Social conservative ideology is fundamentally based around trying to shit down things that are deemed offensive or uncomfortable, which is exactly what makes conservative art so boring. If you refuse to acknowledge massive swaths of humanity (including marginalized people or social pariahs) as fully fledged human beings worth understanding, your art gets stale really fast.
@@Yiningwu5622 it 100% used to be that way, yes, but it seems things have flipped. It's "liberals" that want segregation, classifying people according to immutable traits, not wanting 'edgy' humor, and to just generally cry over every goddamned thing.
I mean of course, being conservative means of the norm. Of course a radical is always going to be more exciting, whether or not it’s a left wing or right wing one is another story.
Radical ≠ opposite of conservative
Yeah, have had whiffs of the "not fully developed theory of mind" thing from a conservative family member or two on multiple occasions,
there would probably be a third if they were still alive
You kinda sound like Genetically Modified Skeptic
Also hell yeah this is the James I’ve been waiting for
Glad to see your new channel bro
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On the topic of Tom Clancy, the best thing Ubisoft ever did was have Sam Fisher be a literal tool of the US government come face to face with all these “villains“ who rightly criticise American imperialism but go about dismantling it in a way that it’s just as bad if not worse.
Idk some of them are annoying and freaky but yeah, boring
What’s on your bookshelf. I see ASOIF
What are your thoughts on the "Tom Clancy" novels written by other authors postmortem?
It's not thanksgiving but I"m still thankful the algorithm led me here.
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Orson Scott Card was very conservative and I would not like to hear his personal opinion
But man Speaker Of The Dead is good.
Alright, fairly conservative fella here who has found himself on a channel that deviates from what I believe and hold true, and I would like to offer some thoughts. Warning, this is just me jumping from idea to idea, so don't expect ideas to lead into one another. If I misunderstood anything in the video, my mistake. Also, it's gonna be long:
1. The conservative authors that you have mentioned are what many of people on the right, myself included, label as "Conservative Inc.", or rather, organizations that have made a significant amount of money by parroting some conservative talking points with varying degrees of authenticity. These individuals are people who have built up reputations outside of being an author (Ben Shapiro being the obvious one), and their reputation being the thing that drives their sales more than actual writing ability. I'm not really involved in Conservative Inc. much these days, and didn't even know Shapiro had written a book. These people fall into a category of people who make money off of parroting the most simplistic and dumbed down version of a conservative message without any of the nuances. And I understand you may question why then that they receive so much popularity amongst those on the right; I would say that it's because humans, as a collective, suck at nuance in large groups.
2. The idea that contemporary conservativism not having a philosophical foundation is something that sounds more of a product of the point that people suck at nuance in large groups. Better yet, more of an unfortunate byproduct of the two-party system (at least here in the States). But the idea that conservatives have no philosophical basis is just certifiably wrong. For example, I discuss ideas with Mises-styled Libertarians, Constitutional Conservatives, and Classical Liberals. The only reason these factions seem to all blur together is, again, product of the two-party system forcing them to all share a seemingly contradictory boat together within the Republican party. I would argue the same could be said of left-leaning individuals within the Democrats.
3. When it comes to philosophy, to discount the tenets of religion seems like a great mistake. To separate western philosophy from the King James translation of the Bible is an absolutely ludicrous notion, and to imply that people cannot extrapolate a thorough world-philosophy from the Bible, you know, the best selling book in human history, borders on insulting. However, I will concede that many people, including Western Christians, suck at the examination of philosophy from the Bible because again, we suck at nuance as a species, and also because many Christians in the West live in relative comfort that they treat Christianity as a hobby or culture more than a faith. I enjoy studying Christians from outside the West (Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel), or ones who suffered great hardship to get outside perspective on Christianity (Tolkien and C.S. Lewis). In short, to pretend that Christianity and/or theology cannot serve as a philosophy for a conservative is in my opinion, very wrong.
4. Oftentimes "Conservative Fiction" more or less is has the belief in the cyclical nature of history and time, and oftentimes can come across as fairly apolitical, and doesn't even get categorized as "Conservative Fiction".
5. I have a Bachelor's Degree in creative writing. I was a conservative going into university, and I was one coming out of university. I met perhaps a grand total of 4 people I would call "right-leaning" in university, and 2 of them were not in my field. I would estimate 80% of the people in my writing classes (in a university in East Texas, mind you) were firmly on the left. I bring this up because I am of the belief that the arts tend to attract those on the left more than the right, and that's why the industry of writing tends to lean more that way. I'm saying that is neither a good, nor bad thing, just a thing. That's also the reason why folks like Shapiro's book sales come more from his reputation as a commentator (or Will Jordan's as a TH-camr). It isn't that I think that the industry is foundationally anti-conservative (though there are biases always at play, of course), but rather conservatives are simply minority voices in the sphere of literature. If it isn't obvious, I would like more conservatives to write, and continue to get better at it. Lord knows I'm still figuring it out.
6. I agree with you on the "God's Not Dead" films. All message, no substance. I liked them as a "young Christian", but as I matured in the faith, I came to dislike them more and more. Hell, I think disliking "God's Not Dead" is one of the few things unbelievers and more mature Christians can agree upon.
Aight, that's about all I can muster at this time. I'm happy to contribute to the discussion.
You're spot on with point 2. Two-party systems present politics as if there are only two opinions, when in reality the vast majority of voters have not analysed their own position very much - they just feel like they want stable income and to be left alone. The system makes it seem like all conservatives are hardline nutjobs (and for the record, that all progressives are also hardline nutjobs), which results in only the hardline nutjob books getting clocked as being conservative. Most conservatives are approximately normal people, and they write and read normal stories. And honestly it would be true of progressive readers too, if the culture war hadn't created this classification of "wokeness" that presents even the slightest hint of diversity as being on the same level as a full on gender-abolitionist manifesto. Most progressive writers and readers are just writing and reading normal books, too, they're just stories that might feature a non-heterosexual character once in a while. If you look specifically at books that embody the full spirit of the progressive stereotype, the handful of books that would be considered progressive if the culture war hadn't made basic diversity count as woke, you'd see things just as boring and cartoonish as the books that clock as conservative.
On the topic of the bible - of course it's possible to base your philosophical worldview on it, tens of millions of people have done so, and biblically-derived worldviews were historically so prominent that people based their understanding of the laws of nature on biblical canon in an almost animistic way. However, western philosophy absolutely should be separated from the King James version. Many of the most significant contributors to western philosophy didn't even speak English, and some were even Catholics (gasp). Western philosophy really grew out of the renaissance and enlightenment movements, which involved many Christians, and many people inspired by Christianity, but was really a movement beyond religion, which is why the US's founding principles included freedom of religion and freedom from religion.
To add onto you’re comment, most of the people that this TH-cam video would describe as conservative are far more nah vex than the the progressive left can realize.
Like most trump voters were people who either voted for Biden or Obama at a certain point in time. And they’re liable to vote for a democrat again. Most conservatives are NOT hardcore republicans. Most Americans actually sure the exact same social views regardless of what they identity as. So when people start saying a bunch of negstive things about conservative people, it’s just very obvious that they live in a bubble and don’t know what conservative people are like. In fact it’s very likely that they have conservative friends and family member and community members who are conservative or voted for trump, but just aren’t open about it because they can’t be.
They're not big artists, different brain activity in different areas. Not reading all that.😅
I have recently decided to engage in politics properly and take off my propaganda goggles, and the more I have looked into politics I see the conservatives maligned by the actions of the Republicans, just as the progressives are maligned by the actions of the Democrats.
I do wonder what you think about the intersection between religion and conservative ideology, since they seem to be quite closely related from what I have seen.
My personal thought on it is that religion tends to think of people as immutable which leads to the thought that our society is immutable to some extent, though I doubt that is the whole picture, and to be honest it might not even be part of it.
@@karlwinkler4223 The biggest religion in the west is based on the principle that humans have to change through faith in Jesus, which depends on human mutability.
The religion/conservative crossover is a bit of a red herring. Religions don't say anything that the people who follow them don't already believe. When religions reflect conservative values, it's because they're populated by conservatives. Which makes sense, because when you strip away the dogma and politicisation, all conservatism really is is the acknowledgement that life is already pretty good and the belief that if it ain't broke don't fix it. When people like that get involved in religion, they make religions about adhering to some established great doctrine that ain't broke, eg the bible.
I can only think of one right wing SF author, and he was Heinlein
Even then, he was way more libertarian than conservative
@aaronsmith1474 exactly. Haha I didn't know how to communicate it, as I'd just woken up, but I was meaning to imply he was his own category of being.
Conversations are boring .
Then I heard him talking about conservatives and I was like WHAT‼️, so I had to do a double take on the title and I was like oh 🫤😂.
I do disagree with the left wing people who say right wing people cant make good art tho, not lately, but overall no. Espcially when the culture was basically predominantly right wing there was plenty of them making good art. It reminds me of conservatives saying that left wingers cant making good art constantly, obviously very wrong and dumb. Ive seen some people equate art as always being a left wing thing, and i would say for huge swaths of history it wasnt really.
Whats defined as good art is generally and entirely up to the individual. HOWEVER... conservatives an the right wing have this... trend of being puritanical about what art is supposed to be and always have been. Anyhing abstract or unholy and boom, they come out the woodworks like old people when there's a senior deal at the buffet. So whats your definition then, sailor? Marble statues like Michaelangelo's david? How about the mona lisa? Or country music and christian rock? Boring. Boring. Boring. You can enjoy those things, but from the perspective of a majority of artists and art centered people, these things are lower on the quality bracket. Well, when it comes to classical art its less about quality and more about the new.
@@RollerOfEyes HP Lovecraft, Robert E Howard, JRR Tolkien. All of these people are foundational in modern “nerd culture”, and all of them were right wing for their time, and radically right wing by the standards of today.
@@RollerOfEyes idk I think it's a entirely subjective thing. You aren't going to find the majority of classical stuff that interesting because it deals with themes that are entirely unrelatable to modern audiences, religion in particular. But if you can try to understand things that aren't very relatable to you it can give pretty fascinating insight into how people used to live, what kept them going, and what they cared about on a deeper level. Also I would say prior to late 20th and 21st century there was a lot more often conservative artist who were experimental and it didn't used to have that association as much. There were a lot of right wing experimental poets and authors who did new stuff in earlier 20th century. Also a lot of classical stuff might not be interesting to you but at some point a whole lot of it was new and experimental. I would say Shakespeare and Bach are still pretty well regarded by most artist who actually look into it too, for example.
@societyman6591 lovecraft was radically right wing even for his time, actually. Also tolkien was pretty anti-fash, and had love in his heart for many sexualities.
@jaredmccain7555 shakespear during the time of drag-exclusive stage presences? I mean if were saying that we can look to the right for art that was allowed to exist BECAUSE it fit into the political standards of its time (like women not being allowed to perform or do anything during those times, whos roles were entirely filled by men) rather than ones that exist BECAUSE of it (like hitler's degenerate art museum that people loved more because it was vastly more interesting) again, back then religion was also all they had. Science was witchcraft. The 16th chappel a miracle. Only from a secular perspective does it get the credit it deserves. And right now, its not the far left advocating for more AI art is it? Back then a lot of music composers who werent religious were accused of making pacts with satan. Their music calld demonic.
Not hearing any reasons he's wrong?😅😮
Yeah 100%. I remember reading Christian fiction (like mostly Peretti) and the conversions always annoyed me. Too easy, too schmaltzy. But the last one I read and that really got to me was in The Brideshead Revisited from 1945. The three or so conversions have a lot of ugliness to them, there's a lot of messiness and disagreement but also the beauty that can be in religion.
aren't most of those writers of this timeperiod also gen X? aka the most lead poisoned generation?
Conservatism is so morally and Intellectually dishonest and bankrupt; I have more respect for open fascists because they are at least (some) honest and open about their avarice and iniquity.
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Need I say more?
Blue sky?... isnt that the liberal echo chamber ive heard about?
you mean twitter but good? i dont like social medias outside of youtube but i might sign up cuz of you
@banjofangirl3458 lol, glad to be of service, like you I'm not a social media type outside of youtube... but of late I'm thinking a sabbatical would be good, the liberals leftists and progressives here have gone so far over the edge since the election that I've grown concerned for the future of our Constitutional Republic...
X? ... isn't that the conservative echo chamber I've heard about?
@PerennialQuest don't know, I don't waste my soul on those...
@@stephenmccaggthere's no such thing as a liberal leftist.
Those are two different things
Is Japan the last bastion of conservative art?
I wouldn't say Japanese art is primarily conservative. Plenty of it is progressive.
No, plenty of Manga and anime artists, especially Ghibli, are far left to flat out communists.
yeah, anime REALLY IS shit innit!
Depends on how you define "conservative."
@@PosiWritesStoriesMy favourite manga so far, Tokyo Ghoul, is plenty Progressive lol.
The way they keep coming for liberals, they need them to make some kind of reaction or content. Their lives must be boringly sad if that’s the case. Otherwise they would go about their day.
The irony of this is that you could apply much of these same arguments to the radical left.
who would you describe as the radical left?
I definitely agree that anyone who marries an ideology is bound to become a thoughtless husk of beliefs.
I'm a European conservative. Are we boring? Probably, because we tend to prefer stability and predictability. I actually stopped watching films precisely because of their formulaic nature. I don't like woke stuff, but I also didn't like the "good guy America saving the world" stuff. Some of it is good though, but most of it is bad, precisely because of the preachy, moralistic nature. This is why I prefer historical drama or anything disconnected from the current day world, but overall I gave up on fiction (films, books) because of the formulaic storytelling. I'd rather read actual history books over fiction. And no, I don't want the Ben Shapiro, Critical Drinker or Steven Seagal stuff either. It's just as preachy/formulaic.
Regarding the theory of mind... I get that there are other people who believe differently, but I tend to see people as black boxes. I don't know what's in there. I don't think I can say, with certainty, that I really know anyone, but myself. I can't anticipate how individuals will react, not even people who are close to me. And no, I DON'T think that others are lying for personal gain. At most, I think they're wrong. I very, very rarely, assume ill will.
No, I don't think that merely reading the Bible will instantly convert people. That's an American protestant thing, not even a Christian thing. I'm Eastern Orthodox and in our Catechism (it's a book detailing what we believe in, it has a Q&A format), it's clearly stated that taking the Bible at face value is wrong... like dead wrong. One must dig way deeper instead of just reading it like a regular book or a history book. There is a lot of symbolism and allegory to unpack and that takes a lot of time and effort.
PS: I find it funny because right now there is an actual real-world Russian revanchist, communist KGB officer putin, who invaded Ukraine and the populist right, led by Trump, Orban, etc. instead of fighting him are giving him belly rubs, rolling over for him, letting him do whatever because they're cowards and traitors.
English conservatives are crackers
define woke
@telacreiste8244 Woke = American progressive ideology. This wasn't the original meaning, but it is the meaning used today. This includes for example a belief that social injustice based on race, gender or sexuality is prevalent and a feature of the system (not a bug or an exception) and that policy still needs be elaborated to eliminate that.
@@octavianpopescu4776 thats the meaning imposed by US conservatives because they lost the big villains that the left hasn't had their paws on.
Please explain woke stuff really curious 👀
This guy lives online.
I see this in real life quite often. Conservatives can’t keep politics out of their daily interactions.
@ It’s definitely not party exclusive. Just like the last 4 years had broke Fox News watchers blaming their life situation on Biden, there was the leftoids who cried about 🍊man all day and even had nationwide protests about him. It’s always been going on.
Hey real quick are you this James or the other one
Yes.
People who say that are addicted to stress and trauma. Let them live in their peaceful ignorance. You're just jealous
what a nerd lmao