That's a tricky question you ask, if people/we care. I'd say, for me personally, the answer would be both yes and no. As a songwriter, my #1 priority was always the melody, a strong melody, especially an emotional ballad with the impact to make people cry. Yes, music is so much more than just that, but to me, the real essence of music is to create songs that move you - ABBA said a lot of it in Thank you for the Music, really. So... with that in mind, can AI do this? With Udio, I've found the answer for the first time to be yes, although with some reservations. It depends how you "feed" it with combinations and orders of tags, styles, lyrics and instruments - and also your perseverance chasing THE generation that works. One of the biggest bumps, I've found to be ai-generated lyics, simply not sounding natural and re-using certain phrases over and over, stuff like "in a(n) ... where...", using the word "embrace" in almost every song, as well as quite a few other words. But even a cliche-filled song CAN work, if everything else is right. So here is the thing: AI can't (at least not at the current stage) create music that really "works" on an emotional level, BUT it CAN be used as a tool to help create music that works on an emotional level. That's a difference, and the question is, who should be considered the "creator" of such a song, nurtured by the human, but actually suggested by the AI? But this still hasn't answered your question, has it? Do we (I) CARE if the music is AI generated or not? I certainly do care if people delivering songs in melodic genres no longer bother to invest enough into their songs to give them the best possible impact, if they become complacent and say "this'll do" just because the AI is able to quickly deliver something that resembles a melody. But if a songwriter has worked with dedication with an AI and the result, after countless re-rolls and fine tunings, is a deeply moving song, then I really don't care if he/she used AI to get there.
Excellent and very thoughtful answer. It all is a matter of perspective. AI lyrics due appear to be the weak link in the current state. I can see this evolving and a future state model being trained specifically for lyric writing. Once that is paired with future state music generation models, the line will become even more blurred and it will become hard to tell if it was generated by a human or a synthetic creator. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
Yes, really great answer. One thing that any of these services do (Udio or Suno), is give you the option to either use the piece or give it a thumbs down. Then you can pretty much keep on generating to your hearts content until you hear something pleasing to your ears. I use Suno mostly & that is what my experience with it is. And I think it's a lot of being able to craft the prompts to create something that I think people would like to hear. As a songwriter (mostly), I find it invaluable in generating a great melody, hook & chord structure where I would not have thought of that at all. Especially when you are in a dry spell where melodies don't seem to be coming too fast. I don't think it is any different than using an online service (such as Airgigs etc.) & have someone come up with a song with the melody & all the parts. But I still do have my own creations of music & am happy with those. It would be nice if was easier to tell AI to use certain chords, progressions etc. but that doesn't seem to be where it's at (yet!). Give it time. And whether most people will care or not, I doubt it.
I am in the music biz and i love all of this. In the 80s we were drawing in pixels and used to say "Won't it be amazing one day if we could make these photo-realistic?" And photoshop came along, and photographers all got angry and feared for their careers, and now there are more photogs than ever and they all use Photoshop. Audio-realistic music and sound generation is WAY OVERDUE! Go with it. Its here. Play and have fun. It takes me as long to assemble an acceptable song in udio or suno as it would take me to record teack by track. Its the same exact production process to decide whether a take is good. The computer creates a LOT of suck on the way to making solid gold, but the gold it occasionally makes is EPIC gold 😊 It still takes a lot of work and a lot of editing to make greatness. I wish I could copyright the stuff i produce with ai. My input and decisions are critical to wualiy production. I must say that with suno and with udio ive made a few of my favorite songs of all-time. Not kidding. Thanks for the amazing video. I had no idea about the updates. As of now i dont see the rollouts in my account. Im excited!
Yes, I have been saying the same thing. I totally deserve the production credit for the songs made w Udio. So many takes to stitch together a good final take. Thanks for watching.
@@athemalive Are you referring to the platform or the maker? Nobody gets to tell anyone else how to make a thing. That’s a ridiculous demand of some artists attempting to impose rules on to others. No gate keepers, ever.
This is bullshit, when UDIO literally is pirating music from other creators WITHOUT there consent. So no, its not “just making music” it’s directly plagiarizing other peoples work and masquerading it as real music.
@Gigabyyyte Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different.
Copyright law is woefully out of date and needs to be built anew from the ground up. That said, I think in certain contexts, people will not give a jot if music is AI created or not. Just like the digital photography revolution though, I believe tools like Udio/Suno etc. allow anyone with an idea to create music/songs without needing to spend many hours learning music theory. It also means that young people can discover the delight of making music and creating songs with no entry barriers. Rather than a disadvantage, I think this will, and probably already is, inspiring many new artists. I believe the landscape will change but music will always be made by humans.
Im all for AI being a creative gateway. I believe there are some folks with truly great taste and ideas but not the skill set to deliver on their ideas alone. If they never find the right people to work with, amazing art could be lost. AI could act as that collaborative tool to being ideas to life. And I agree q you, I do not think it will matter who/what make it. People like what they like.
It’s not in a traditional sense but the hope is it’s a gateway to picking up a guitar or (insert instrument here) and putting in the work. Alternatively it could be a collaborative tool for all us introverts out there that can’t play everything but have an idea of what the song should sound like. I would love to be able to have more control over the prompts to tweak musical parameters. The best possible way forward is a marriage of AI abilities and human creativity.
Oh my god that trimming feature is a GAME CHANGER. Udio produces so much good stuff but very often there were parts I wasn't happy with and there was no way to trim them out. This is incredible
Especially if you provide the lyrics and song structure so the AI is just providing the instruments and vocals it's becoming harder to tell and people won't really care. After all, look at modern singers and modern so-called artists. They're so heavily processed and auto-tuned already their singing is practically AI anyhow.
Here's what I think. Remember when autotune came out with T-Payne leading the charge....everyone was hating on him saying hes not a real artist etc etc...then artist started to notice that autotune made them sound better esp if u really sing good. Then ppl started to give T-Payne his props bc in reality his voice isn't tht bad. He was just trying to break out into the music game to feed his family. Point is is was there first then everyone else followed. This is the something with AI...A bunch of hating until they catch up. think how much less time will be spent in the studio making a track a beat whatever u can think of. ppl just have to go into it with an open mind. GREAT VIDEO DOUG👏👏👏
Two days ago, I would have answered your question yes. Except, I tried Udio for the first time yesterday, so I fully understand the answer will be no in the future. People won't know the difference, and they won't care. I thought it was just a novelty, but it's become shockingly good in a very short time. In a few years, I imagine this technology will be indistinguishable from the real thing, and users will be able to customize any aspect of the production from instruments to final mix. Then it will be less about the machine, and more about anyone being able to pour their imagination directly into a WAV file.
I love making music with Suno and Udio. It is not only a fun process, but also a way to create my own music to lift the mood. For the last few weeks I have been listening to the music I have created with these two tools. So I don't care how the music is made, as long as it's fun to listen to.
First time listener, loved the content. Feels like I’ve finally may have found my community ❤ IMHO on peoples opinions, I would agree that on instrumentals there is barely an issue. But on tracks with vocals, there is a lot of hostility albeit from what seems to be less people, but very strong nevertheless. I think the copyright conversation is likely to inflame things. But I agree that ultimately people will get over it and move on, use themselves.
Ai is like a gateway drug, you get a taste of one, and next thing you know your frantically searching for the newest AI shenanigans. Cmmon man I just need to write this one last prompt, man. 😂
The update I'm really looking for is the one that stops Udio from fading out the first instance of the chorus that Udio has finally rendered perfectly.
Here's how I hope things play out. I've been a musician for 40 years and I do it for fun. I guess you could call me a serious hobbyist. I envision one day someone will hire us musicians to perform these songs that they created with AI but can't play an instrument. If not, oh well, I will still have fun playing instruments.
To answer your question. For me, result is more important. If song hits me emotionally I don't care who created it. There is one thing. Usually we used other humans as filters. If it was created or recommended by someone we follow, we use that as signal that its worth checking out. AI is random. But person who decided to share it is not. He decided that it sounded valuable to share it? So I don't know. I believe that creations stand on their own, irrespective of author. I value them for their own merit and not merits of the author. And if so, then AI created things should be judged on their own merits, irrespective of the fact that AI made them.
@@ThaebrymMedia At least I think its pretty good... for what I asked for, not a popular genre, but it nailed it. I could see people using this to make music that has meaning to them, good music evokes feeling and emotion in the listener... and who knows what they like better than the person making and listening to it? Spend a few hours and make some music you will likely enjoy for a lifetime... *YOU* DIO. I use this account for watching and commenting on videos to keep my channel seperate, I had some issues with content I.D. for music that I licensed... I made a song that is custom tailored to my needs and helps tell the story I want for an upcoming video, and I couldn't be happier with the results. As long as the A.I. doesn't start embedding ultra low frequencies into the music to liquefy the pesky humans brains, 🤣 this is going to be a game changer.
My gut says no but I’m not a legal expert. I’d check out @TopMusicAttorney she recently did an excellent video deep dive into the Udio Terms of Service.
The future is that musicians and producers are going to use AI along with their own talent. AI + Human is always going to beat AI alone or human alone.
I'm using it as a tool for song writing. I play guitar, play a little piano, sing. I may generate some lyrics in ChatGPT Than change them to my style. ECT
Thanks for sharing. I agree with you. I have been making and producing music for almost 40 years now. I always said to my artists I had in my roster that I do not care how they made the music. The output is important. I remember the days where software like fruity loops and music maker enter the world and some youngsters starting with those DAWs, they used to get the hell from the "pros" who were using logic, cubase and so on, saying that pros don't use such software. I think we are at a very similar stage now. Musicians need to adapt and use the tools as they come. At the end is the listener who is going to have the last word. For me, I love making music "old style" is fun and joyful to see how the canvas gets filled up. But I would not mind to sign some one who is sending me excellent results consistenly made by an AI. Offcourse copy rights needs to be addressed.
Yes, output is the key. AI is going to cause major shifts in many industries. I don’t think anyone expected creative industries to be impacted first but here we are. I’m a firm believer in finding the middle path. I think eventually copyright laws will evolve to address AI.
Personally I really do not care as long as the music is good and talks to me ! I used Udio as well for a few days and it's just fantastic for a song writer without a band ! The AI is practically taking your lyrics and works with you to find the fitting music,it's like jamming ! I think many people really do not care what kind of music they listen to or who made it,as long as it's kinda good ! And keep in mind,it will just get better and better from here with this tool !
Yes, it's a very cool tool for generating ideas and creating top lines to lyrics that would be challenging under the best of circumstances. You're also spot on about it being like jamming, it becomes a very collaborative experience.
Kraftwerk birthed techno music using entirely synthesized sounds, and they're now in the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame. I think we can safely assume people don't really care HOW the music is generated, as long it _sounds good._
It's only a matter of time before streaming services are buying the rights to bands so they can produce "new" tracks. Ringo and Paul need to get some of that action before it's too late. I recently made three tracks on Udio - all supposedly 1970s space rock/jazz fusion. Not only were the tracks very "authentic" sounding, when I sent them to three knowledgeable friends none of them could tell they were AI generated. Admittedly, I did cheat by giving the tracks a completely plausible origin story, but not only did my friends think the tracks were made by real musicians in the early 1970s, they all thought they were great tracks and wanted to hear more. The only way I could tell the difference was because the Udio audio output sounds very "mushy", which was why I chose the early 70s. That way I could pretend the tracks were bootlegs of one sort or another. Will people care? Well, they might, but will they even know the difference?
It’s something I’ve been saying I would love to see as a feature in a future update. Not sure why i haven’t just tried to input it in a prompt. I’ll put that on my to do list. I’d love to hear if anyone else has had any luck w that.
Anecdotally I know the average person won’t really give a rats left butt cheek where it came from. I make joke/novelty AI music for my friends in styles I know they like and we had a good laugh and I sort of forgot about it. A couple weeks later when we got together s later they put the music on and were dancing to it and sining it word for word and just have a blast.
As a professional producer and published composer here is my thought _ music has 12 notes, and the ability to put those together in ways that are harmonically pleasing etc etc finite and all been done before, Nothing is original anymore, there will be out there somewhere another artist who had your idea, saw a video, heard your sound, and on and on and on, we have reached critical mass in music, we just have to accept that AI is here and see what happens... the only people that moan are already rich or signed up the major labels and even then their work is not original.... those days are gone. If you think it's going to kill your career on Spotify? think again; because it is already dead, now is the time to create music for the sake of loving the creation process and not for the get-rich-quick mentality... Those days are gone, never to return.
Thoughts about AI Music generation. I see it as a tool along with any human art of music. Think about it this way. What humans use to make music, tools, such as drums, guitars, horns, trumps, sax, etc. Did each artist create those instruments? They are tools they use to make music. Also, who wrote the lyrics and chords and developed the tools to write or type it out? Talent comes in different ways. I may know music theory, but I cannot play any instruments. Is that not part of creating music? There are differences, but they work together. When an artist performs another artist’s song, did they not make that original song? Is that wrong to do? Artists use what legal tools are available to create or recreate for their audience or listeners. If using tools such as AI makes it wrong, artists should stop using all tools to make music.
Music today is so crappy that I think people are going to start generating what they want to hear. Hopefully, the hip-hop world would use Udio to build samples that they don't have to license and go back to sampling like the 80s and 90s. For those who do electronic based music, Udio has the potential to really push genres for those who know how to flips samples and are creative enough to make something new with it. I think Udio is a tool. That's all it should ever be thought of as. It sure can't take the jobs of livemusicians who have live concerts to do.
And history repeats itself. Like the days of Tape vs Digital recordings, Film vs Digital cameras, Dark Room editing vs Photoshop etc. In short, AI suddenly becomes standard issue, among other AI tools such as ChatGPT, for producers looking to save time and money, during the compositional stages. However, as the audio quality improves even the production stages, such as AI based mastering, may be on the horizon. Followed by generative video and automated social media marketing...
Yes, it will be disruptive to a degree, there will be period of fear and loathing, the dust will settle and it will be another tool in everyone's creative belt.
I hope it has improved, I have not been able to make a song yet I like with Udio, I try to make a female singer do rock and all I get is screaming death metal. I don't think udio knows what rock is. I have made 20 full length rock songs I really like with Suno. AI music will not hurt the big music scene like taylor swift and the like but it will make it more difficult for the small musicians that are never going to make it big anyway.
It’s a strange time for those of us who’ve been musicians and composers since before youtube even existed. I don’t like this new way of doing things. It removes so much from the process and joy of creation for me. For example, it’s like being a guitarist vs playing “Guitar Hero” - not a perfect analogy, but captures how music creation is more of a “push-button” process in which you simply keep or discard outputs. That trial/error process exists in traditional composing, but it’s far more imaginative and has infinite breadth and variation potential. The AI platform takes so much away from the human creator, to the extent that it doesn’t even seem like “creation” anymore to me.
I get that. I like to think I’m engaged in the process on a producer level with prompting, revisions rise and repeat until I find w “take” I’m happy with. Until I’m able to control musical parameters with a generator like Udio, the creation process will not be complete. Nothing beats hanging out in a practice room with friends workshopping idea.
Seeing as everyone and their dog are generating music (including me), fifteen minute prog-rock songs are going to eat up most of the storage space in TH-cam's data centers, resulting in a collapse of civilization as we know it. And no, this comment was NOT generated by Chat-GPT.
I think consumers of music who don’t know anyone or anything in music will not care. People in the industry and gigging musicians hate it. They feel like it will take their job. I like it to help me create ideas because I am in so so much debt spending money working with others. I WOULD pay musicians and not use AI or VSTs if I have tons of money.
That’s an excellent point. I think the majority of us, whether it’s a hobby or profession, would go for live musicians and instruments if we could. I think things like Udio have potential to take some spots away from studio and production library musicians, so I understand the negative feelings towards AI.
I'm certain we're listening to AI-driven music all the time now, we just aren't aware. I think it can be a fantastic creative tool, but there's no turning back.
I've been able to a lot in creating tracks, even auto-generate mode, like adding the basic idea of what I want in an new section, but getting the right sound is still tricky. And ending songs the right way is still hit and miss.
Yes it is difficult to get exactly what you want. I would love an advanced or pro version that gave us control over Key, Tempo, Chord Progression and other musical parameters. Someday we will get there. Until then keep prompting.
I think Generative AI art - visual and musical, needs to advance way beyond what humans are capable of, in terms of the feelings it can evoke, in order for the general public of this generation to get over the whole "AI BAD" idea... Once it goes beyond what humans can do, which I think is possible in even the next five years, the general public perception will have changed because it will be more obvious that it's a net benefit. Humans can still wield these tools in their own personal individual way and create their art, enhanced by using AI, or not.
Hey bro, I would have bought this 50 years ago, hell yeah, that's tight n crunchy 70's. The lead guitar, did you play that? It's nuts!! Or did you feed it a bass track as a guide or.... we all love an SG for sure. Dude there' a wah with expression, like wtf. You're a genius!! You dialed in some voodoo at the crossroads.
@@ParadiseVibe All of that is Udio, I just input the lyrics...it sounds awesome and should be a proto-metal hit, but I what it represents is awful. I personally am against how this was rolled out and it's only gonna get better. I know people in sound design who just might be unemployed in a year or so because of this technology.
I feel like we all do that to some degree. We consume the content of others and learn from it, then add that to our creative skillset to make something new and hopefully original. I think the bigger problem will be when/if AI creates something so close to the original that it becomes plagiarism not inspiration.
Ai is just another tool for composers to write. Like will.i.am said: "Now i just have more time to spend on writing the song in different ways." As for the audience, many wont care, but we'll probably have a label. It'll be like organic fruit. A few will pay the extra buck for the "organic" version.
Some people want to listen to acoustic music and some people like synthesizers. Some people like both. Probably it will be like that with human generated and AI generated music too.
a big part of the music industry has always been geared toward selling the "artist" as much as the "song." fans identify with artists on many different levels -- musically, politically, creatively, artistically -- even sexually or in a romantic fantasy kind of way. just look at the idol worship for artists like justin bieber or taylor swift. AI music cannot fill in that void because bots and algorithms have no image, story, personality, etc. So, IMHO, people who don't care that much about music will be okay with AI, just as they don't mind elevator music. but for the people who care about the music (or the artist), the genuine article will always be authentic, and in the age of AI, authenticity will take on greater importance.
Do you think we will see an AI crossover artist. A synthetic pop star that can conjure that idol worship in a fanbase? Seems like that's just a matter of time, we already have AI influencers.
Udio is kicking Suno's ass lately. I honestly don't know what happened with Suno's V3 update, but ever since it released it's been a major disappointment. V2 & V3 Alpha offered far better sound quality. I'm getting infinitely better results out of Udio Beta, so unless Suno gets their asses in gear, they're going to be left at the starting line.
No one will care....the world's most popular song was AI-generated in 2008 And none of you experts talk about it because these kinds of videos make your comments and views go up and please the TH-cam algorithm gods.
By using udio, the terms explain that you must include it in your music's title, description or video that it was created either fully or partially. Be responsible and not fake, declare you use it if you use it. People care more if you don't tell them it's made with AI, but you claim to have made it. You prompted it. You didn't really come up with it.
@@ThaebrymMedia Not the future I wanted. I want to admire people's talents and work. AI will turn everybody into everything. It will erase the differences between us. Everybody can soon be Shakespeare, Bach, Picasso. I understand this toothpaste can't be put back in the tube and the best one can do now is to try to surf the first waves to benefit the initial advantages. But it's still sad. Definitely not the future I wanted for my kids.
Absolutely, I think we want the same thing. My future has world where humanity can explore the arts and folks are free to create with having to endure a 9-5 grind. A future where AI is not just a tool to augment human arts but can free up our time so we can pursue those arts. Pipe-dream? Maybe, but this old man has always been a silly optimistic dreamer.
I wouldn't care if a monkey made it, so much that I hardly look at who made it now. It's the feeling I get from it that matters. making music is 10 times more enjoyable than just listening to it. It is more like driving stick compared to autonomous driving. FYI I'm a music producer with 10 awards and multiple No.1 singles under my belt. #freemusic-make music free. I've been saying this for years.
From what I've seen, Udio is simply plagiarizing existing music for their profit. I find that a deeply problematic basis for their technology and I'm not that interested in what it does w/o that being changed.
On my good studio speakers I only hear distorted quality, instruments are not transparent, cruel mixing errors, compositional errors. Electric guitars sound terrible. In two years people will be so fed up with AI music that hand-made music will be traded like organic apples. In any case, there is an oversupply that no one wants to hear - except you.
It sounds pretty good on the Kali's in my studio but I totally get where you’re coming from,. However, I think there’s room for both AI tunes and handmade music. AI in music is pretty new and definitely not perfect yet-it’s got a lot to learn. But I’m hopeful! Over time, I think AI could really help artists do more cool stuff, adding new twists to their music without taking over. Maybe we’re heading towards a future where AI and artists work together better, boosting creativity instead of stepping on it. And really, having all these different ways to make music just gives us more to choose from, which is awesome. Your point about the possible overload of AI music is spot on. It reminds us to keep the real soul and quality in the music we love, regardless of how we make it. Thanks for tossing your thoughts into the mix-it’s super important for anyone who cares about where music is headed.
@@ThaebrymMedia The creator of the AI says this app is a liberation for artists - since this often copied commercial music is now at an end. Artists now have time again to dedicate themselves to their feelings, emotions and art itself. You have probably noticed that the individual instrument tracks have no individuality and the mix is absolutely static (without any interesting fader movements).
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That's a tricky question you ask, if people/we care. I'd say, for me personally, the answer would be both yes and no. As a songwriter, my #1 priority was always the melody, a strong melody, especially an emotional ballad with the impact to make people cry. Yes, music is so much more than just that, but to me, the real essence of music is to create songs that move you - ABBA said a lot of it in Thank you for the Music, really.
So... with that in mind, can AI do this? With Udio, I've found the answer for the first time to be yes, although with some reservations. It depends how you "feed" it with combinations and orders of tags, styles, lyrics and instruments - and also your perseverance chasing THE generation that works. One of the biggest bumps, I've found to be ai-generated lyics, simply not sounding natural and re-using certain phrases over and over, stuff like "in a(n) ... where...", using the word "embrace" in almost every song, as well as quite a few other words. But even a cliche-filled song CAN work, if everything else is right.
So here is the thing: AI can't (at least not at the current stage) create music that really "works" on an emotional level, BUT it CAN be used as a tool to help create music that works on an emotional level. That's a difference, and the question is, who should be considered the "creator" of such a song, nurtured by the human, but actually suggested by the AI?
But this still hasn't answered your question, has it? Do we (I) CARE if the music is AI generated or not? I certainly do care if people delivering songs in melodic genres no longer bother to invest enough into their songs to give them the best possible impact, if they become complacent and say "this'll do" just because the AI is able to quickly deliver something that resembles a melody. But if a songwriter has worked with dedication with an AI and the result, after countless re-rolls and fine tunings, is a deeply moving song, then I really don't care if he/she used AI to get there.
Excellent and very thoughtful answer. It all is a matter of perspective. AI lyrics due appear to be the weak link in the current state. I can see this evolving and a future state model being trained specifically for lyric writing. Once that is paired with future state music generation models, the line will become even more blurred and it will become hard to tell if it was generated by a human or a synthetic creator. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
Yes, really great answer. One thing that any of these services do (Udio or Suno), is give you the option to either use the piece or give it a thumbs down. Then you can pretty much keep on generating to your hearts content until you hear something pleasing to your ears. I use Suno mostly & that is what my experience with it is. And I think it's a lot of being able to craft the prompts to create something that I think people would like to hear. As a songwriter (mostly), I find it invaluable in generating a great melody, hook & chord structure where I would not have thought of that at all. Especially when you are in a dry spell where melodies don't seem to be coming too fast. I don't think it is any different than using an online service (such as Airgigs etc.) & have someone come up with a song with the melody & all the parts. But I still do have my own creations of music & am happy with those. It would be nice if was easier to tell AI to use certain chords, progressions etc. but that doesn't seem to be where it's at (yet!). Give it time. And whether most people will care or not, I doubt it.
I am in the music biz and i love all of this. In the 80s we were drawing in pixels and used to say "Won't it be amazing one day if we could make these photo-realistic?" And photoshop came along, and photographers all got angry and feared for their careers, and now there are more photogs than ever and they all use Photoshop. Audio-realistic music and sound generation is WAY OVERDUE! Go with it. Its here. Play and have fun. It takes me as long to assemble an acceptable song in udio or suno as it would take me to record teack by track. Its the same exact production process to decide whether a take is good. The computer creates a LOT of suck on the way to making solid gold, but the gold it occasionally makes is EPIC gold 😊 It still takes a lot of work and a lot of editing to make greatness. I wish I could copyright the stuff i produce with ai. My input and decisions are critical to wualiy production.
I must say that with suno and with udio ive made a few of my favorite songs of all-time. Not kidding.
Thanks for the amazing video. I had no idea about the updates. As of now i dont see the rollouts in my account. Im excited!
Yes, I have been saying the same thing. I totally deserve the production credit for the songs made w Udio. So many takes to stitch together a good final take. Thanks for watching.
what one enjoys is what one enjoys, thats it. If the song is good for someone, that is all that matters. So AI or human, it doesn't matter.
What matter the most is process and performance.
@@athemalive Are you referring to the platform or the maker? Nobody gets to tell anyone else how to make a thing. That’s a ridiculous demand of some artists attempting to impose rules on to others. No gate keepers, ever.
This is so true. People like what they like and that is what matters.
This is bullshit, when UDIO literally is pirating music from other creators WITHOUT there consent. So no, its not “just making music” it’s directly plagiarizing other peoples work and masquerading it as real music.
@Gigabyyyte Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different.
Copyright law is woefully out of date and needs to be built anew from the ground up. That said, I think in certain contexts, people will not give a jot if music is AI created or not. Just like the digital photography revolution though, I believe tools like Udio/Suno etc. allow anyone with an idea to create music/songs without needing to spend many hours learning music theory. It also means that young people can discover the delight of making music and creating songs with no entry barriers. Rather than a disadvantage, I think this will, and probably already is, inspiring many new artists. I believe the landscape will change but music will always be made by humans.
Im all for AI being a creative gateway. I believe there are some folks with truly great taste and ideas but not the skill set to deliver on their ideas alone. If they never find the right people to work with, amazing art could be lost. AI could act as that collaborative tool to being ideas to life. And I agree q you, I do not think it will matter who/what make it. People like what they like.
But it's not really making music, is it? Making music is a lifetime occupation. This is typing in a couple of prompts and calling it a day.
It’s not in a traditional sense but the hope is it’s a gateway to picking up a guitar or (insert instrument here) and putting in the work. Alternatively it could be a collaborative tool for all us introverts out there that can’t play everything but have an idea of what the song should sound like. I would love to be able to have more control over the prompts to tweak musical parameters. The best possible way forward is a marriage of AI abilities and human creativity.
I don't care if it's a real person or not as long as it sounds great, bottom line
Oh my god that trimming feature is a GAME CHANGER. Udio produces so much good stuff but very often there were parts I wasn't happy with and there was no way to trim them out. This is incredible
It is a great quality of life add for the beta
Especially if you provide the lyrics and song structure so the AI is just providing the instruments and vocals it's becoming harder to tell and people won't really care. After all, look at modern singers and modern so-called artists. They're so heavily processed and auto-tuned already their singing is practically AI anyhow.
Here's what I think. Remember when autotune came out with T-Payne leading the charge....everyone was hating on him saying hes not a real artist etc etc...then artist started to notice that autotune made them sound better esp if u really sing good. Then ppl started to give T-Payne his props bc in reality his voice isn't tht bad. He was just trying to break out into the music game to feed his family. Point is is was there first then everyone else followed. This is the something with AI...A bunch of hating until they catch up. think how much less time will be spent in the studio making a track a beat whatever u can think of. ppl just have to go into it with an open mind. GREAT VIDEO DOUG👏👏👏
Thank you my friend! I had no idea how well t-pain could sing until recently when I saw him do a live version of War Pigs by Black Sabbath. Amazing.
Two days ago, I would have answered your question yes. Except, I tried Udio for the first time yesterday, so I fully understand the answer will be no in the future. People won't know the difference, and they won't care. I thought it was just a novelty, but it's become shockingly good in a very short time. In a few years, I imagine this technology will be indistinguishable from the real thing, and users will be able to customize any aspect of the production from instruments to final mix. Then it will be less about the machine, and more about anyone being able to pour their imagination directly into a WAV file.
I’m not sure it will take a few years a few months might be more accurate.
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Right. I'm just saying it will likely be the norm in a few years, not that it will necessarily take that long to get there. Cheers.
I hear ya. Thanks
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You're welcome. Thanks for the interesting video and promoting discussion.
I love making music with Suno and Udio. It is not only a fun process, but also a way to create my own music to lift the mood. For the last few weeks I have been listening to the music I have created with these two tools. So I don't care how the music is made, as long as it's fun to listen to.
That’s perfect. Music moving you because it’s music! Not because of who or what made it.
Sampling rap producers dream!!
Absolutely!
First time listener, loved the content. Feels like I’ve finally may have found my community ❤ IMHO on peoples opinions, I would agree that on instrumentals there is barely an issue. But on tracks with vocals, there is a lot of hostility albeit from what seems to be less people, but very strong nevertheless. I think the copyright conversation is likely to inflame things. But I agree that ultimately people will get over it and move on, use themselves.
Thanks for watching and taking time to comment. I agree, copyright is the hot button issue.
Ai is like a gateway drug, you get a taste of one, and next thing you know your frantically searching for the newest AI shenanigans. Cmmon man I just need to write this one last prompt, man. 😂
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The update I'm really looking for is the one that stops Udio from fading out the first instance of the chorus that Udio has finally rendered perfectly.
That has happened to me a few times. The new trim feature can help sometimes.
"Like Prince, Cobain, Lennon, Hendrix...worth more than some high tech trick." - Organic Intelligence
Here's how I hope things play out. I've been a musician for 40 years and I do it for fun. I guess you could call me a serious hobbyist. I envision one day someone will hire us musicians to perform these songs that they created with AI but can't play an instrument. If not, oh well, I will still have fun playing instruments.
That’s sounds good to me!
To answer your question. For me, result is more important. If song hits me emotionally I don't care who created it. There is one thing. Usually we used other humans as filters. If it was created or recommended by someone we follow, we use that as signal that its worth checking out. AI is random. But person who decided to share it is not. He decided that it sounded valuable to share it?
So I don't know. I believe that creations stand on their own, irrespective of author. I value them for their own merit and not merits of the author. And if so, then AI created things should be judged on their own merits, irrespective of the fact that AI made them.
Very well said.
I have used it and gotten really good results with it.
The things it can generate are amazing.
@@ThaebrymMedia At least I think its pretty good... for what I asked for, not a popular genre, but it nailed it. I could see people using this to make music that has meaning to them, good music evokes feeling and emotion in the listener... and who knows what they like better than the person making and listening to it? Spend a few hours and make some music you will likely enjoy for a lifetime... *YOU* DIO. I use this account for watching and commenting on videos to keep my channel seperate, I had some issues with content I.D. for music that I licensed... I made a song that is custom tailored to my needs and helps tell the story I want for an upcoming video, and I couldn't be happier with the results. As long as the A.I. doesn't start embedding ultra low frequencies into the music to liquefy the pesky humans brains, 🤣 this is going to be a game changer.
Question. I have a great AI voice singing in a music video I did with Udio, can I use her always some how?
My gut says no but I’m not a legal expert. I’d check out @TopMusicAttorney she recently did an excellent video deep dive into the Udio Terms of Service.
The future is that musicians and producers are going to use AI along with their own talent. AI + Human is always going to beat AI alone or human alone.
Agreed, we are already forming a symbiotic relationship with AI generators. Human input = AI output
I'm using it as a tool for song writing. I play guitar, play a little piano, sing. I may generate some lyrics in ChatGPT Than change them to my style. ECT
AI is a great collaborative tool
Thanks for sharing. I agree with you. I have been making and producing music for almost 40 years now. I always said to my artists I had in my roster that I do not care how they made the music. The output is important. I remember the days where software like fruity loops and music maker enter the world and some youngsters starting with those DAWs, they used to get the hell from the "pros" who were using logic, cubase and so on, saying that pros don't use such software. I think we are at a very similar stage now. Musicians need to adapt and use the tools as they come. At the end is the listener who is going to have the last word. For me, I love making music "old style" is fun and joyful to see how the canvas gets filled up. But I would not mind to sign some one who is sending me excellent results consistenly made by an AI. Offcourse copy rights needs to be addressed.
Yes, output is the key. AI is going to cause major shifts in many industries. I don’t think anyone expected creative industries to be impacted first but here we are. I’m a firm believer in finding the middle path. I think eventually copyright laws will evolve to address AI.
@@ThaebrymMedia Well yes, I do hope this too. As this seems to be a key problem which needs to be addressed. The sooner, the better.
Personally I really do not care as long as the music is good and talks to me !
I used Udio as well for a few days and it's just fantastic for a song writer without a band ! The AI is practically taking your lyrics and works with you to find the fitting music,it's like jamming ! I think many people really do not care what kind of music they listen to or who made it,as long as it's kinda good ! And keep in mind,it will just get better and better from here with this tool !
Yes, it's a very cool tool for generating ideas and creating top lines to lyrics that would be challenging under the best of circumstances. You're also spot on about it being like jamming, it becomes a very collaborative experience.
Most average music listeners won't really care if the music's AI or not. They just want to listen and be entertained.
I believe that to be the truth. Most just want music they enjoy.
Kraftwerk birthed techno music using entirely synthesized sounds, and they're now in the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame. I think we can safely assume people don't really care HOW the music is generated, as long it _sounds good._
That's a common theme in the majority of the comments. If the music is good, it doesn't matter.
A good song is a good song. I couldn't care less who or what created it... and eventually no one else will either.
I agree , this is the future
I don’t care if people care. 😀
It just is and will be.
It's only a matter of time before streaming services are buying the rights to bands so they can produce "new" tracks. Ringo and Paul need to get some of that action before it's too late.
I recently made three tracks on Udio - all supposedly 1970s space rock/jazz fusion. Not only were the tracks very "authentic" sounding, when I sent them to three knowledgeable friends none of them could tell they were AI generated. Admittedly, I did cheat by giving the tracks a completely plausible origin story, but not only did my friends think the tracks were made by real musicians in the early 1970s, they all thought they were great tracks and wanted to hear more.
The only way I could tell the difference was because the Udio audio output sounds very "mushy", which was why I chose the early 70s. That way I could pretend the tracks were bootlegs of one sort or another.
Will people care? Well, they might, but will they even know the difference?
That is where we may be heading. It won’t matter because soon enough no one will be able to tell the difference.
Has anyone messed around with musical notation type prompts i.e. key signature, time signature or chord progressions?
It’s something I’ve been saying I would love to see as a feature in a future update. Not sure why i haven’t just tried to input it in a prompt. I’ll put that on my to do list. I’d love to hear if anyone else has had any luck w that.
Anecdotally I know the average person won’t really give a rats left butt cheek where it came from. I make joke/novelty AI music for my friends in styles I know they like and we had a good laugh and I sort of forgot about it. A couple weeks later when we got together s later they put the music on and were dancing to it and sining it word for word and just have a blast.
And that what it’s really about. Having a good time with the ones you love. Thanks for sharing.
As a professional producer and published composer here is my thought _ music has 12 notes, and the ability to put those together in ways that are harmonically pleasing etc etc finite and all been done before, Nothing is original anymore, there will be out there somewhere another artist who had your idea, saw a video, heard your sound, and on and on and on, we have reached critical mass in music, we just have to accept that AI is here and see what happens... the only people that moan are already rich or signed up the major labels and even then their work is not original.... those days are gone. If you think it's going to kill your career on Spotify? think again; because it is already dead, now is the time to create music for the sake of loving the creation process and not for the get-rich-quick mentality... Those days are gone, never to return.
Great observation. I’m amazed by the insight in this comment section. You folks are really bringing your a game to the AI music conversation. Thanks
Thoughts about AI Music generation. I see it as a tool along with any human art of music. Think about it this way. What humans use to make music, tools, such as drums, guitars, horns, trumps, sax, etc. Did each artist create those instruments? They are tools they use to make music. Also, who wrote the lyrics and chords and developed the tools to write or type it out?
Talent comes in different ways. I may know music theory, but I cannot play any instruments. Is that not part of creating music? There are differences, but they work together. When an artist performs another artist’s song, did they not make that original song? Is that wrong to do?
Artists use what legal tools are available to create or recreate for their audience or listeners.
If using tools such as AI makes it wrong, artists should stop using all tools to make music.
Well said!
Music today is so crappy that I think people are going to start generating what they want to hear. Hopefully, the hip-hop world would use Udio to build samples that they don't have to license and go back to sampling like the 80s and 90s. For those who do electronic based music, Udio has the potential to really push genres for those who know how to flips samples and are creative enough to make something new with it. I think Udio is a tool. That's all it should ever be thought of as. It sure can't take the jobs of livemusicians who have live concerts to do.
This is an excellent time for folks who can flip a sample. Generate, chop, flip, remix, reinvent, and create new art.
Most of us can cook but I think it’s true if we want something special we eat out or buy in. Same thing with music .
Excellent analogy.
And history repeats itself. Like the days of Tape vs Digital recordings, Film vs Digital cameras, Dark Room editing vs Photoshop etc. In short, AI suddenly becomes standard issue, among other AI tools such as ChatGPT, for producers looking to save time and money, during the compositional stages. However, as the audio quality improves even the production stages, such as AI based mastering, may be on the horizon. Followed by generative video and automated social media marketing...
Yes, it will be disruptive to a degree, there will be period of fear and loathing, the dust will settle and it will be another tool in everyone's creative belt.
I hope it has improved, I have not been able to make a song yet I like with Udio, I try to make a female singer do rock and all I get is screaming death metal. I don't think udio knows what rock is. I have made 20 full length rock songs I really like with Suno.
AI music will not hurt the big music scene like taylor swift and the like but it will make it more difficult for the small musicians that are never going to make it big anyway.
I don't think I've generated any female rock in Udio. I'm going to give it a shot & see if I have any luck.
I'm excited that we're going to get good music again.
We're going to have to make our own but we will have good music.
It’s a strange time for those of us who’ve been musicians and composers since before youtube even existed. I don’t like this new way of doing things. It removes so much from the process and joy of creation for me. For example, it’s like being a guitarist vs playing “Guitar Hero” - not a perfect analogy, but captures how music creation is more of a “push-button” process in which you simply keep or discard outputs. That trial/error process exists in traditional composing, but it’s far more imaginative and has infinite breadth and variation potential. The AI platform takes so much away from the human creator, to the extent that it doesn’t even seem like “creation” anymore to me.
I get that. I like to think I’m engaged in the process on a producer level with prompting, revisions rise and repeat until I find w “take” I’m happy with. Until I’m able to control musical parameters with a generator like Udio, the creation process will not be complete. Nothing beats hanging out in a practice room with friends workshopping idea.
As new generations are born they won't care where the music comes from , because what came before will be irrelevant to them.
Irrelevant or just a futurenorm that music is generated by AI and/or human artists?
Seeing as everyone and their dog are generating music (including me), fifteen minute prog-rock songs are going to eat up most of the storage space in TH-cam's data centers, resulting in a collapse of civilization as we know it. And no, this comment was NOT generated by Chat-GPT.
That sounds like a great idea for a prog rock concept album! You and your dog need to get on that, I wanna hear it!
I think consumers of music who don’t know anyone or anything in music will not care. People in the industry and gigging musicians hate it. They feel like it will take their job. I like it to help me create ideas because I am in so so much debt spending money working with others. I WOULD pay musicians and not use AI or VSTs if I have tons of money.
That’s an excellent point. I think the majority of us, whether it’s a hobby or profession, would go for live musicians and instruments if we could. I think things like Udio have potential to take some spots away from studio and production library musicians, so I understand the negative feelings towards AI.
I'm certain we're listening to AI-driven music all the time now, we just aren't aware. I think it can be a fantastic creative tool, but there's no turning back.
yep, the proverbial cat is outta the bag
I've been able to a lot in creating tracks, even auto-generate mode, like adding the basic idea of what I want in an new section, but getting the right sound is still tricky. And ending songs the right way is still hit and miss.
Yes it is difficult to get exactly what you want. I would love an advanced or pro version that gave us control over Key, Tempo, Chord Progression and other musical parameters. Someday we will get there. Until then keep prompting.
I think Generative AI art - visual and musical, needs to advance way beyond what humans are capable of, in terms of the feelings it can evoke, in order for the general public of this generation to get over the whole "AI BAD" idea... Once it goes beyond what humans can do, which I think is possible in even the next five years, the general public perception will have changed because it will be more obvious that it's a net benefit. Humans can still wield these tools in their own personal individual way and create their art, enhanced by using AI, or not.
I feel the same, this day will come, sooner than expected.
HERE'S A WHOLE ALBUM I MADE ON UDIO:
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nice.
Hey bro, I would have bought this 50 years ago, hell yeah, that's tight n crunchy 70's. The lead guitar, did you play that? It's nuts!! Or did you feed it a bass track as a guide or.... we all love an SG for sure. Dude there' a wah with expression, like wtf. You're a genius!! You dialed in some voodoo at the crossroads.
@@ParadiseVibe All of that is Udio, I just input the lyrics...it sounds awesome and should be a proto-metal hit, but I what it represents is awful. I personally am against how this was rolled out and it's only gonna get better. I know people in sound design who just might be unemployed in a year or so because of this technology.
Still got a long way to go
I think it might not be that long with the way the tech keeps advancing. I feel like we are all living in a sci-fi novel.
@@ThaebrymMedia not until we get flying cars
@@QTcomicsPOP I’m countin’ the days until I get my Jetson’s car and robot maid. 😂
@@ThaebrymMedia 😁👍
@paradogika5802 maybe
The main problem with AI is that they grab stuff (sounds, voices etc) on which they don' have the copyright.
I feel like we all do that to some degree. We consume the content of others and learn from it, then add that to our creative skillset to make something new and hopefully original. I think the bigger problem will be when/if AI creates something so close to the original that it becomes plagiarism not inspiration.
Ai is just another tool for composers to write. Like will.i.am said: "Now i just have more time to spend on writing the song in different ways."
As for the audience, many wont care, but we'll probably have a label. It'll be like organic fruit. A few will pay the extra buck for the "organic" version.
Yes, there is always going to be those that are willing to pay a little extra for what they want. Great analogy!
Some people want to listen to acoustic music and some people like synthesizers. Some people like both.
Probably it will be like that with human generated and AI generated music too.
Great observation
Great.
a big part of the music industry has always been geared toward selling the "artist" as much as the "song." fans identify with artists on many different levels -- musically, politically, creatively, artistically -- even sexually or in a romantic fantasy kind of way. just look at the idol worship for artists like justin bieber or taylor swift. AI music cannot fill in that void because bots and algorithms have no image, story, personality, etc. So, IMHO, people who don't care that much about music will be okay with AI, just as they don't mind elevator music. but for the people who care about the music (or the artist), the genuine article will always be authentic, and in the age of AI, authenticity will take on greater importance.
Do you think we will see an AI crossover artist. A synthetic pop star that can conjure that idol worship in a fanbase? Seems like that's just a matter of time, we already have AI influencers.
Udio is kicking Suno's ass lately. I honestly don't know what happened with Suno's V3 update, but ever since it released it's been a major disappointment. V2 & V3 Alpha offered far better sound quality. I'm getting infinitely better results out of Udio Beta, so unless Suno gets their asses in gear, they're going to be left at the starting line.
I played w/ V1 but missed out on V2 & V3 alpha. I was impressed w/ V3 but then Udio happened.
No one will care....the world's most popular song was AI-generated in 2008 And none of you experts talk about it because these kinds of videos make your comments and views go up and please the TH-cam algorithm gods.
On another note good video ....new sub...... keep them coming.
Well played , friend! well played!
By using udio, the terms explain that you must include it in your music's title, description or video that it was created either fully or partially. Be responsible and not fake, declare you use it if you use it. People care more if you don't tell them it's made with AI, but you claim to have made it. You prompted it. You didn't really come up with it.
“Be responsible and not fake.” Words we should all live by, I think that’s totally reasonable.
ty for video it was good
thanks for watching!
i used it for sampling ..
That’s great!
It's just sad. In the end nobody will learn any trade but AI prompting.
maybe in the future we will all be able to be artists, storytellers and makers of fine music. That's the future I want for us all.
@@ThaebrymMedia Not the future I wanted. I want to admire people's talents and work. AI will turn everybody into everything. It will erase the differences between us. Everybody can soon be Shakespeare, Bach, Picasso. I understand this toothpaste can't be put back in the tube and the best one can do now is to try to surf the first waves to benefit the initial advantages. But it's still sad. Definitely not the future I wanted for my kids.
Absolutely, I think we want the same thing. My future has world where humanity can explore the arts and folks are free to create with having to endure a 9-5 grind. A future where AI is not just a tool to augment human arts but can free up our time so we can pursue those arts. Pipe-dream? Maybe, but this old man has always been a silly optimistic dreamer.
“Better”.
Most people will not care at all
Agreed
I wouldn't care if a monkey made it, so much that I hardly look at who made it now. It's the feeling I get from it that matters. making music is 10 times more enjoyable than just listening to it. It is more like driving stick compared to autonomous driving. FYI I'm a music producer with 10 awards and multiple No.1 singles under my belt. #freemusic-make music free. I've been saying this for years.
I've seen similar comments, it's definitely a common them. If it's good, it doesn't matter.
From what I've seen, Udio is simply plagiarizing existing music for their profit. I find that a deeply problematic basis for their technology and I'm not that interested in what it does w/o that being changed.
When you realize that you were moved emotionally because of something created by AI, you will gradually give less value to your emotions.
Or celebrate your evolving self-awareness. Your miles may vary. Thanks for joining the conversation.
@@ThaebrymMedia yes exactly
On my good studio speakers I only hear distorted quality, instruments are not transparent, cruel mixing errors, compositional errors. Electric guitars sound terrible. In two years people will be so fed up with AI music that hand-made music will be traded like organic apples. In any case, there is an oversupply that no one wants to hear - except you.
It sounds pretty good on the Kali's in my studio but I totally get where you’re coming from,. However, I think there’s room for both AI tunes and handmade music. AI in music is pretty new and definitely not perfect yet-it’s got a lot to learn. But I’m hopeful! Over time, I think AI could really help artists do more cool stuff, adding new twists to their music without taking over. Maybe we’re heading towards a future where AI and artists work together better, boosting creativity instead of stepping on it.
And really, having all these different ways to make music just gives us more to choose from, which is awesome. Your point about the possible overload of AI music is spot on. It reminds us to keep the real soul and quality in the music we love, regardless of how we make it. Thanks for tossing your thoughts into the mix-it’s super important for anyone who cares about where music is headed.
@@ThaebrymMedia The creator of the AI says this app is a liberation for artists - since this often copied commercial music is now at an end. Artists now have time again to dedicate themselves to their feelings, emotions and art itself.
You have probably noticed that the individual instrument tracks have no individuality and the mix is absolutely static (without any interesting fader movements).
Maybe extremist groups will form that will only want authentic human music in the future.. but for now I can’t see the majority of people care
sounds like another great idea for a concept album.