Going back through the archive im really impressed with how well Brandon had the main concepts worked out by wor. I could believe he has the main details in place from the begining,
Yeah, though a few key quotes and concepts come from RoW. I was shocked at how many quotes I pulled from WoR. Though both Lewis and Tolkien built their worlds up from the fall of Atlantis (aka Numenor), so perhaps it comes with the epic fantasy territory.
The pure tone attracts its related investiture. Light weavers can create sound as well as light. What happens when a light weave (or a fabrial) plays the a pure tone? Perpetual devastation?
Oh look one of theories I totally support, but did not have the time to cover in this video! Also consider that the stones remember a time when anyone could mound them with song.
Honestly, I really like the idea that shattered plains came from Honour smiting the place and that him doing that broke his word and allowed Odium to kill him. I could it see it as a bit of a play on the question "is it ever honourable to break your word?". Also, this video did get me thinking that the cycle of Recreance really was the absolute worse case for Cultivation and that they probably would've really wanted it to stop. Maybe Cultivation killed Honour so that Aharietiem would happen and stop it?
Cultivation killing Honor, that's a new theory. I think there's a WoB that says Odium killed him directly. But Cultivation we've seen plays a long game, with pawns doing her dirty work.
My headcanon is that Honor received his 'hole' when the Oathpact was broken (at Aharetium) and Odium attacked Honor to fatally wound him in consequence. Honor being in Stormseat (as an aside, ever wonder why that city has that name?), Stormseat was shattered as collateral damage from that strike. This does accord with the Listener account, as they said that 'their Gods did not shatter those plains'... and 'their Gods' are the Fused. My main question regarding your theory is, 'Why would Honor creating the Shattered Plains wound Odium?'
My personal theory is that Dawncities and the shattered plains were Forging stamps functioning on Highstorms/Crem. Maybe some dawnsinger/human stoneward with a Dawnshard made them intentionally
Nice video, the Singers timeline is really confusing. The steel blades and the Shardblades imply post Recreance. Also the Singers can grow food with stormlight so maybe they can have faster population growth
@@MeMySkirtandI I doubt it. Beg your pardon while I throw down a little articulatory phonetics terminology from linguistics. The chuckle probably had more to do with you pronouncing part of the name with a glottal stop/plosive instead of a voiceless alveolar stop/plosive (the sound we normally write with "t" in English). I'm guessing it's just the pronunciation from your dialect that was noticed. As an example, it's like how some people pronounce the word "little" with a "t" in the middle; whereas when other folks say it, it sounds like a "d"; whereas when still other folks say it, it sounds like they make a brief pause or a catch between the syllables. That's one place where a glottal stop sometimes shows up, depending on a person's dialect. It's no big deal. Rather, it's just interesting or unusual to people who aren't used to hearing other folks talk or pronounce certain words that way.
@@fhengal Ah! this is why I shouldn't respond to comments in the middle of the night local time. With coffee, I realized it was probably my distinctive regional accent combined with my speech impediment. Thanks for the explanation! Short vowel sounds aren't really a thing here. So if I can't drag a vowel into a difficult consonant to say it right, better just skip the whole thing.☺
@@MeMySkirtandI oops. Had nothing to do with your pronunciation. Just the word itself, like many made up fantasy words, sound silly out loud. Hope I didn't make you feel like I was making fun of you or something. I love your content.
Well, now you're making me question my pet theory due to your timeline analysis. I had been thinking it was something related to the Dustbringers during the false desolation.
I sat down to write a whole video about it happening during the false desolation, and then math crushed my dreams. Hadn’t thought of the Dustbringers though, and they were around before Ahariatiam
But the Listeners say that their gods didn’t. So to me that rules out Odium, Unmade, and fused as potential Plain breakers. Leaving Honor high on the list of suspects.
I like that more than half the video is about proving that natanatan was destroyed before the recreance, something we already knew😂. Tbf, I thought it was obvious that the secret that destroyed the radiants was that they were the reason for the shattered plains, but then i looked at the timeline. No need to do wierd math, the listener songs tell us directly what happened
Unreliable narrators, and false trails abound. So this is the story of how I came to believe that timeline. (this video began life as me trying to disprove that timeline, but when the numbers confirmed it I changed my mind.)
@@MeMySkirtandI it is a huge strech to imagine that the author even cared about the math in a fantasy universe. A lot Roshar just structurally doesn't make much scientific sense
You are totally right. Cultivation contains both good and evil, and gives knowledge of such to unsuspecting travelers. More info: th-cam.com/video/n9cChxy4cYU/w-d-xo.html But also, the 'awesome' quip, was more refering to Lift using the term "Awesome" to describe her life light powers. A choice Sanderson stands by inspite of reader annoyance. Awesome's classic definition is to be filled with awe, and as Shallan points out in RoW that is not necessarily a pleasant experience.
My personal theory it was a herald or a very powerful Bondsmith on Honor orders, why? Stormseat might have turned traitor and sided with the Singers(Lost Legion) and even sheltered them in the warcamps(used to be dome structures) this made Honor furious making him give permission for a nuke. There's also that Mishim story and maybe that's just a consequence of BAM birth as a spren.
@@MeMySkirtandIOdium is the god of man, which we know from finding out he brought humans to Roshar, and they were the voidbringers back then. Honor and Cultivation made (or maybe found as hinted by WoB?) the native races, like the Singers.
Honnor causing the shattered plans when he "fell from Heaven" is a trope inversion I could see Brandon Sanderson doing.
He does love stuff falling in flames. And I do too!
This was long my theory that Honor got chokeslammed into the planet right there.
Going back through the archive im really impressed with how well Brandon had the main concepts worked out by wor. I could believe he has the main details in place from the begining,
Yeah, though a few key quotes and concepts come from RoW. I was shocked at how many quotes I pulled from WoR. Though both Lewis and Tolkien built their worlds up from the fall of Atlantis (aka Numenor), so perhaps it comes with the epic fantasy territory.
He took the shattered plains from Dragonsteel prime so there's definitely a lot of though put into it
The pure tone attracts its related investiture. Light weavers can create sound as well as light. What happens when a light weave (or a fabrial) plays the a pure tone? Perpetual devastation?
Oh look one of theories I totally support, but did not have the time to cover in this video! Also consider that the stones remember a time when anyone could mound them with song.
Doesn't Mraize also say he has a special interest in lightweavers?
Cool.
Thanks!
Honestly, I really like the idea that shattered plains came from Honour smiting the place and that him doing that broke his word and allowed Odium to kill him. I could it see it as a bit of a play on the question "is it ever honourable to break your word?".
Also, this video did get me thinking that the cycle of Recreance really was the absolute worse case for Cultivation and that they probably would've really wanted it to stop. Maybe Cultivation killed Honour so that Aharietiem would happen and stop it?
Cultivation killing Honor, that's a new theory. I think there's a WoB that says Odium killed him directly. But Cultivation we've seen plays a long game, with pawns doing her dirty work.
My headcanon is that Honor received his 'hole' when the Oathpact was broken (at Aharetium) and Odium attacked Honor to fatally wound him in consequence. Honor being in Stormseat (as an aside, ever wonder why that city has that name?), Stormseat was shattered as collateral damage from that strike.
This does accord with the Listener account, as they said that 'their Gods did not shatter those plains'... and 'their Gods' are the Fused.
My main question regarding your theory is, 'Why would Honor creating the Shattered Plains wound Odium?'
That is a sound argument. My best answer to your question is that Stormseat was the curb on which Honor stomped Odium.
My personal theory is that Dawncities and the shattered plains were Forging stamps functioning on Highstorms/Crem. Maybe some dawnsinger/human stoneward with a Dawnshard made them intentionally
Forgot to add that I meant Dawnsingers for Dawncities and human stonewards for the shattered plains respectively
That's a theory I find totally plausible, though I didn't have time to cover it in this video. Maybe I should cover the Dawncities in a future vid.
Nice video, the Singers timeline is really confusing. The steel blades and the Shardblades imply post Recreance. Also the Singers can grow food with stormlight so maybe they can have faster population growth
Shardblades are totally a recreance thing. But it seems those came with the 10 cities on the edge.
I'm immature and chuckled everytime you said "nannaatan"
? An entendres I don’t know? Curious.
@@MeMySkirtandI I doubt it. Beg your pardon while I throw down a little articulatory phonetics terminology from linguistics. The chuckle probably had more to do with you pronouncing part of the name with a glottal stop/plosive instead of a voiceless alveolar stop/plosive (the sound we normally write with "t" in English). I'm guessing it's just the pronunciation from your dialect that was noticed. As an example, it's like how some people pronounce the word "little" with a "t" in the middle; whereas when other folks say it, it sounds like a "d"; whereas when still other folks say it, it sounds like they make a brief pause or a catch between the syllables. That's one place where a glottal stop sometimes shows up, depending on a person's dialect. It's no big deal. Rather, it's just interesting or unusual to people who aren't used to hearing other folks talk or pronounce certain words that way.
@@fhengal Ah! this is why I shouldn't respond to comments in the middle of the night local time. With coffee, I realized it was probably my distinctive regional accent combined with my speech impediment. Thanks for the explanation! Short vowel sounds aren't really a thing here. So if I can't drag a vowel into a difficult consonant to say it right, better just skip the whole thing.☺
@@MeMySkirtandI oops. Had nothing to do with your pronunciation. Just the word itself, like many made up fantasy words, sound silly out loud. Hope I didn't make you feel like I was making fun of you or something. I love your content.
@@undbiter65 No big! I'm not offended. It's my own unique sound, and I like talking about where it comes from.
Well, now you're making me question my pet theory due to your timeline analysis. I had been thinking it was something related to the Dustbringers during the false desolation.
I sat down to write a whole video about it happening during the false desolation, and then math crushed my dreams. Hadn’t thought of the Dustbringers though, and they were around before Ahariatiam
I always assumed the Shattering of the shard Honor shattered the plains. Though I guess the listeners song refutes that as Odium is / was their God.
But the Listeners say that their gods didn’t. So to me that rules out Odium, Unmade, and fused as potential Plain breakers. Leaving Honor high on the list of suspects.
I like that more than half the video is about proving that natanatan was destroyed before the recreance, something we already knew😂. Tbf, I thought it was obvious that the secret that destroyed the radiants was that they were the reason for the shattered plains, but then i looked at the timeline. No need to do wierd math, the listener songs tell us directly what happened
Unreliable narrators, and false trails abound. So this is the story of how I came to believe that timeline. (this video began life as me trying to disprove that timeline, but when the numbers confirmed it I changed my mind.)
@@MeMySkirtandI it is a huge strech to imagine that the author even cared about the math in a fantasy universe. A lot Roshar just structurally doesn't make much scientific sense
The canonically awesome? Sorry to break it to ya but Cultivation is totally a bad egg
You are totally right. Cultivation contains both good and evil, and gives knowledge of such to unsuspecting travelers. More info: th-cam.com/video/n9cChxy4cYU/w-d-xo.html
But also, the 'awesome' quip, was more refering to Lift using the term "Awesome" to describe her life light powers. A choice Sanderson stands by inspite of reader annoyance. Awesome's classic definition is to be filled with awe, and as Shallan points out in RoW that is not necessarily a pleasant experience.
My personal theory it was a herald or a very powerful Bondsmith on Honor orders, why? Stormseat might have turned traitor and sided with the Singers(Lost Legion) and even sheltered them in the warcamps(used to be dome structures) this made Honor furious making him give permission for a nuke.
There's also that Mishim story and maybe that's just a consequence of BAM birth as a spren.
Ooh, we’re dealing with the Mishim story next week…😉
So if it wasn't the gods of the Singers, Odium did the shattering himself right? We know who, just not how.
Isn’t Odium also their god? But who knows what really happened?
@@MeMySkirtandIOdium is the god of man, which we know from finding out he brought humans to Roshar, and they were the voidbringers back then. Honor and Cultivation made (or maybe found as hinted by WoB?) the native races, like the Singers.
My guess is Ba Ado Mishram
I want that to be true. I’m not sure the evidence supports that. But I want it.
Translated bit of Dawnchant? the Eile Steele?
Ba Ado Mishram shot Jimmy Hoffa