Great job Scott, too many instructors I know would have launched into a tirade and obliterated Davids self-confidence forever. A very professional example that others might like to follow.
I agree, that was a very professional way to handle the student. As an airplane instructor for many years, I learned the hard way. I still feel bad when I think back to the late 70s I was giving recurrent training to an already licensed pilot who needed some extra practice landing Cessnas. He made such a bad landing I had to take control of the plane, but I let him go as far as I could before I took over. The only thing I regret, and I learned my lesson from it, was that I was a little too tough on the guy and criticized him in a bad way. I'm admitting my sins for the benefit of any other instructors out there no matter what activity you teach. I hurt the guy's feelings pretty bad when I should have taken the opportunity, as Scott did here, to correct the student carefully and with professionalism. Ever since that day, I've never treated a student with unnecessary criticism again. I did eventually apologize to the pilot.
@@daffidavit good for you! I quit free fall sport jumping years ago when I tried to open the door for my instructor and pilot when neither could get it to open. I thought they gestured for me to try and when I did, the damn thing fell apart and the pilot screamed m-fer at me all the way until I went out the door on free fall jump number 9. Made one more for show after that and quit. Besides the pilot and sky gods there used to drink heavily on the DZ and some did pot. Didnt want to be around all that.
@@donmulder8061 I always wanted to skydive. I did a static jump once and hurt my knee after landing. I decided that motorcycles and airplanes were enough fun things in my life and I didn't need to add more risk. But it sure seems like fun.
Yeah like mine on my AFF level 7. Busted 2 A lines on opening, totally concussed, canopy was flyable, I landed it in 25+ winds got drug on my back for a second before collapsing the canopy, and all I heard was what a dumb fuck I was because the container was scratched. Spent 7 days in hospital and didn't go back to DZ for 2 more weeks despite my first ever rig, brand new even, was there waiting for me to start my skydiving life. That guy was a loser angry douche. The only one over all the decades I hope to never see again.
He was nice to me after this. I was aware of the altitude all the way (5000 feet on opening), but when i decided to cut away before dropping to 2500 feet i could´t do it. Cut away handle was stuck because of the spin i was in!! So i lost a lot of altitude before i finally did it (last check was 1900 feet).
@aAaa aAaa less about getting a hand on it, and more about getting it out the pocket/velcro. Happened to me on my *irst chop, had to go to the 2 handed technique (look right grab right, look left, peel punch right, grab left, peel punch left). Every chop after that has been "look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, peel, punch" Think a bit of it is nerves too...
The student gets a "A" for this. BUT, so do his instructors.....The student did THE RIGHT THING WHEN HE NEEDED TO DO IT!...... This is not as easy as it sounds.....There is a panicky little thought in the background saying, "Hey, a fucked up chute is better than none at all. Don't cut it away!" Respect to the student for his self-mastery. This is not as easy as it sounds when it is time to trust your training. Anyone in a high risk activity knows this.....Anyone else can just guess......
I remember watching this before my first skydives and thought, "geez, what a noob... that would never happen to me". Welp... it did, in one of my early AFF jumps. Started spiraling like this and hesitating trying to figure out what the fuck to do. I cut away around 3K feet after spiraling atleast 15 seconds. This was 30 minutes after an instructor was telling me he had never cutaway in 4,000 skydives. So i was thinking back like.... "am i doing something wrong? Can I correct this??" They were tension knots.
@@somecharactersnotallowed1319 After 5 hours in Ground School before my first jump, I was almost disappointed when I didn't have to kick/rotate my way out of a collapsed end cell. I remember being so surprised when I looked up at that big beautiful 380 sq. ft. Goliath Sport Chute that I almost forgot to reach up and pull my risers loose..... The first jump....MAN, WHAT A RUSH!
I remember grabbing my toggles and terrified that if I let them go I wouldn’t be able to get them back, like they’d fly out and away. Scared the crap out of me.
@@somecharactersnotallowed1319 why were you spiraling? I've never jumped. Considering it though. I was thinking the same. What's the chance of this happening in a AFF course.. who packs the reserve? Are those packed from the factory? Or they could be packed by anyone I assume. Like if someone previously needed to use it. If the main fails I have a feeling I'd hesitate to cut away hoping for a hard landing I'll survive as opposed to cutting away and oopsie. The reserve fails too.
@ Scott....one of the best and most intense skydiving videos with a malfunction I have watched.... had to be a helpless feeling watching David spinning down, not cutting away and great job talking him in at the landing..........I jumped once many years ago, using a static line with a T10....
watched this nearly a year ago while considering getting my A license, not knowing where it was. Found it in my recommended feed today, decided to revisit the video and realize its at my home DZ now lol. blue skies, ZHills!
It's called a 3rd riser. Was big awhile back. It takes the bend at the riser away and the steering lines go straight from the toggle to the canopy. You should be able to have your risers modified by a rigger....
This student gained a lot of experience from this malfunction. A freind of mine who started jumping about the same time as I, 35 yrs ago still has not had a cut away.
Had my first, and only so far, cutaway on my 10th jump while still on student status. Was proud of my stand up landing as well lol. Good stuff and time for a beer!
That brings back memories...I had to use my reserve twice in the twelve jumps I did in Temora in NSW whilst attempting to get my A licence... I can understand why he delayed. Sometimes you wait for things to improve and the situation fix itself, way after the "check canopy " .. Glad to see it all worked out...👍
That is funny, I love the instructor's voice getting more and more stressed. I bet he got a lecture on emergency procedures afterwards? :-D LOL! Did he get a beer fine for first chop?
Watched a young woman under a streaming round main cut away so late,the reserve inflated and she landed. To be fair(a little bit) the cut away was with the dreaded Capewell system. She later died in a skydiving accident. Watche a static line student all but bounce, total on main(static line disconnected),wasted altitude "cutting away the main" which of course was still in the container. Static line student at our club bounced(another total,no reserve deployment) and walked away. The point is students sometimes have brain locks,but it emphasises the need to constantly review emergency procedures.
Every time I think about starting my AFF I see something like this... is there nothing but problem jumps on youtube? or are these problems just that common?
Rookie here, only 13 jumps. Just wondering...What is the recommended amount of time (how many seconds) you would spend working a malfunction until you would cut away?? Obviously it varies based on opening altitude but lets just assume opening at 5000 ft.
Each malfunction involves different rates of descent. Maintain altitude awareness. Perform your stability and control checks. If it fails either check get rid of it ASAP. Make a decision and commit to it by 2000 feet.
Spoken as the guy hanging under the malfunctional parachute i would say as long as you have untill 2500 feet. Then cut away if your shute isnt working. This was an line over and it looked possible to fix with pulling the lines, obiviously i was wrong.
I always think about learning to jump and then I see one of these and I put it off for another year or so. So far, It gives me a really good feeling about my safety. //ji
He chopped. If the AAD (Cypres) activated, then he would have both chutes out. AAD cuts the reserve loop to deploy the reserve, not cutaway the main. Your main is attached to your main risers, that are connected by the 3 rings, that is held together by your cut away handle.
He cut way too late.. he could of been hundred of feet higher under that reserve. Guy got lucky. Hope he was later taught that he needs to be under a functioning chute before 2k feet, whether that's the main or reserve. If you can't sort it out before 2k feet, cut it
You're right, but in this case i was struggeling with cutting away. Lost almost 800feet after i decided to cut before i was able to do it. Next time i will use two hands to pull cut away handle, not only one ;)
In almost all cutaway videos i see people blaming the pack job.its true you must pack perfectly but things just happens when it's time to happen no matter how good your pack job is.
If you think in that way you will beging packing caresless everytime. As skydiver and or packer you have to take control dont leave things to chance just because you dont understand why things happened thats complacency and complacency is not good in this sport
Is that bad ? When I did my static line in the training we were jumping at 3750 feet and were told if we need to do a reserve just do it before 1500 and we were told if we were thinking that we might need to at 2000 then do it
Psykopate exactly, cut away once you can fix the issue. Waiting to get to “decision” altitude is stupid. If you can’t fix it get the hell away from it.
They very rarely do. That's why you have to have your reserve packed by a certified rigger. If it does happen you have to work your ass off to try and handle it. The worst that usually happens with a reserve are some line twists and you can get those out pretty easy unless you're in a spin.
How is it way too long? We train people to work it until they cant anymore (decision altitude) or they feel like they can't clear it. Being a newer jumper he probably didn't know what not being able to clear it looked like, so he tried until he was out of alti....
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Loved your response after you landed. Very calm and collected. Very professional. Thanks for sharing.
That's what makes him a great mentor.
Legend has it he’s still screaming “Cut it way”
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cut it da fuk away !!!!
Great job Scott, too many instructors I know would have launched into a tirade and obliterated Davids self-confidence forever. A very professional example that others might like to follow.
Epic Trading thanks!
I agree, that was a very professional way to handle the student. As an airplane instructor for many years, I learned the hard way. I still feel bad when I think back to the late 70s I was giving recurrent training to an already licensed pilot who needed some extra practice landing Cessnas. He made such a bad landing I had to take control of the plane, but I let him go as far as I could before I took over.
The only thing I regret, and I learned my lesson from it, was that I was a little too tough on the guy and criticized him in a bad way. I'm admitting my sins for the benefit of any other instructors out there no matter what activity you teach. I hurt the guy's feelings pretty bad when I should have taken the opportunity, as Scott did here, to correct the student carefully and with professionalism. Ever since that day, I've never treated a student with unnecessary criticism again. I did eventually apologize to the pilot.
@@daffidavit good for you! I quit free fall sport jumping years ago when I tried to open the door for my instructor and pilot when neither could get it to open. I thought they gestured for me to try and when I did, the damn thing fell apart and the pilot screamed m-fer at me all the way until I went out the door on free fall jump number 9. Made one more for show after that and quit. Besides the pilot and sky gods there used to drink heavily on the DZ and some did pot. Didnt want to be around all that.
@@donmulder8061 I always wanted to skydive. I did a static jump once and hurt my knee after landing. I decided that motorcycles and airplanes were enough fun things in my life and I didn't need to add more risk. But it sure seems like fun.
Yeah like mine on my AFF level 7. Busted 2 A lines on opening, totally concussed, canopy was flyable, I landed it in 25+ winds got drug on my back for a second before collapsing the canopy, and all I heard was what a dumb fuck I was because the container was scratched. Spent 7 days in hospital and didn't go back to DZ for 2 more weeks despite my first ever rig, brand new even, was there waiting for me to start my skydiving life. That guy was a loser angry douche. The only one over all the decades I hope to never see again.
"I'm afraid to cut away as I might die. I'm afraid to not cut away as I might die." Maybe I'll let the ground decide - almost in this case.
No he didn't hear me. I was just making noise to make myself feel like I was doing something... Next time I'll save my voice for the debrief....
I hope you didnt scream on him after that. He did what he could im my point of wiew. Not long ago when I was a student.
He was nice to me after this. I was aware of the altitude all the way (5000 feet on opening), but when i decided to cut away before dropping to 2500 feet i could´t do it. Cut away handle was stuck because of the spin i was in!! So i lost a lot of altitude before i finally did it (last check was 1900 feet).
@@gollo978 Which malfunction was this? What caused it?
@@gollo978 what do you mean handle was stuck?
@aAaa aAaa less about getting a hand on it, and more about getting it out the pocket/velcro.
Happened to me on my *irst chop, had to go to the 2 handed technique (look right grab right, look left, peel punch right, grab left, peel punch left). Every chop after that has been "look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, peel, punch"
Think a bit of it is nerves too...
The student gets a "A" for this. BUT, so do his instructors.....The student did THE RIGHT THING WHEN HE NEEDED TO DO IT!...... This is not as easy as it sounds.....There is a panicky little thought in the background saying, "Hey, a fucked up chute is better than none at all. Don't cut it away!"
Respect to the student for his self-mastery.
This is not as easy as it sounds when it is time to trust your training. Anyone in a high risk activity knows this.....Anyone else can just guess......
I remember watching this before my first skydives and thought, "geez, what a noob... that would never happen to me". Welp... it did, in one of my early AFF jumps. Started spiraling like this and hesitating trying to figure out what the fuck to do. I cut away around 3K feet after spiraling atleast 15 seconds.
This was 30 minutes after an instructor was telling me he had never cutaway in 4,000 skydives. So i was thinking back like.... "am i doing something wrong? Can I correct this??" They were tension knots.
@@somecharactersnotallowed1319
After 5 hours in Ground School before my first jump, I was almost disappointed when I didn't have to kick/rotate my way out of a collapsed end cell.
I remember being so surprised when I looked up at that big beautiful 380 sq. ft. Goliath Sport Chute that I almost forgot to reach up and pull my risers loose.....
The first jump....MAN, WHAT A RUSH!
I remember grabbing my toggles and terrified that if I let them go I wouldn’t be able to get them back, like they’d fly out and away. Scared the crap out of me.
some characters not allowed what do u mean tension knots?
@@somecharactersnotallowed1319 why were you spiraling? I've never jumped. Considering it though. I was thinking the same. What's the chance of this happening in a AFF course.. who packs the reserve? Are those packed from the factory? Or they could be packed by anyone I assume. Like if someone previously needed to use it. If the main fails I have a feeling I'd hesitate to cut away hoping for a hard landing I'll survive as opposed to cutting away and oopsie. The reserve fails too.
I didn't realize how fast you guys went from air to ground with a failed chute. Real eye opener!
They don't call it a "high speed malfunction" for nothing.
Catgory: *COMEDY*
Instructor maintained his professionalism as soon as he landed was taking care of the student. Great job. 2500 cut it away.
@ Scott....one of the best and most intense skydiving videos with a malfunction I have watched.... had to be a helpless feeling watching David spinning down, not cutting away and great job talking him in at the landing..........I jumped once many years ago, using a static line with a T10....
Gary Vale thanks for your input 😎
All right cool you got your 1 out of a couple thousand odds out of the way. Pack em up let's go again.
watched this nearly a year ago while considering getting my A license, not knowing where it was. Found it in my recommended feed today, decided to revisit the video and realize its at my home DZ now lol. blue skies, ZHills!
This was 6 years ago but BEEEEER!
Never too late for beer.
I love many outdoor things and I can fly in my dreams, but I would not be able to make myself do this.
You make it look amazing sure enough!!
Summer jumps at Skydive City are never boring. Great video that illustrates your passion for teaching and safety. Keep up the good work.
All most never happens. I have more than 5000 Skydive’s 2 reserve rides solo and 1 reserve on a tandem jump.
Considering AFF and that makes me feel much, much better, thank you
This comment was a massive help regarding my next AFF
have you suffered any injuries? broken legs, ankles, back?
It's called a 3rd riser. Was big awhile back. It takes the bend at the riser away and the steering lines go straight from the toggle to the canopy. You should be able to have your risers modified by a rigger....
This student gained a lot of experience from this malfunction. A freind of mine who started jumping about the same time as I, 35 yrs ago still has not had a cut away.
MrPepper312 he packs well. Knock on wood, I packed all my gear after getting my A license. Never had an issue other than some line twist.
Had my first, and only so far, cutaway on my 10th jump while still on student status. Was proud of my stand up landing as well lol. Good stuff and time for a beer!
Damn. That was intense. Gave me goosebumps. Good video!
Great video, thanks for sharing it! Think you taught him well!
Good coaching! Very patient!
He must have heard something like cuuuwweeewwaaaawaaaay from a far distance
He heard nothing. That wind is deafening.
Very professional. Thanks for sharing!
This is why I live on first floor ...
It looked like it was a beautiful day at Skydive City in Zephyrhills Florida. Good job.
"Cut it away!"
"WHAT?'
"Cut It Away!!"
"WA-WHAT?'
"CUT IT AWAY!"
"UH...WHAT?'
"CUT IT AWAY NOW!!!"
...SKYDIVER #2 HAS LEFT THE CHAT...
That brings back memories...I had to use my reserve twice in the twelve jumps I did in Temora in NSW whilst attempting to get my A licence...
I can understand why he delayed. Sometimes you wait for things to improve and the situation fix itself, way after the "check canopy " ..
Glad to see it all worked out...👍
Glenn Hart who the hell is packing the chutes at Temora........? That’s gotta be a statistical anomaly ..?
Andrew Fleming that’s what I was thinking!
@@andrewfleming6487 From my second jump(static line round main) I packed my main(after passing a packing test) always packed my own square.
"I had to use my reserve twice in the twelve jumps I did in Temora".................... DAAAAAAMMMNNNN!!!
Pretty nice of David, he wanted the main not go far away :D glad eberything ended well :)
Scott I could literally feel the fear in your voice.😱
Like he can hear you!
frontcentermusician he had a radio
Nicely done, Scott.
He shounded like he was shi*ting himself up there and once he got down the professionalism came back in his voice
That is funny, I love the instructor's voice getting more and more stressed. I bet he got a lecture on emergency procedures afterwards? :-D LOL! Did he get a beer fine for first chop?
it was nice that you flew over to him to let him know you were there with him.
Imagine THAT kick
What a scary thing to watch ! You must have felt powerless. Alls well that ends well though even though it scared the sh*t out of everyone !
Thanks James!
think this is in zephyr hills. jumped here 5 times. great!
AFF instructors should wear a megaphono or something for this cases
Doesn't matter. The wind is howling up there, so you're not going to hear it. That's why you get trained extensively before jumping.
Watched a young woman under a streaming round main cut away so late,the reserve inflated and she landed. To be fair(a little bit) the cut away was with the dreaded Capewell system. She later died in a skydiving accident. Watche a static line student all but bounce, total on main(static line disconnected),wasted altitude "cutting away the main" which of course was still in the container. Static line student at our club bounced(another total,no reserve deployment) and walked away. The point is students sometimes have brain locks,but it emphasises the need to constantly review emergency procedures.
Hey I know that drop zone, took my first jump there.
Seems under the circumstances every one was high when they opened.
Every time I think about starting my AFF I see something like this... is there nothing but problem jumps on youtube? or are these problems just that common?
People only post videos that are interesting, so bad shit gets posted much more
Nice job...never make them feel bad....plus, they just save their own life....
Thanks!!
He had a radio
I want friends like him...
I've had those kind of days. :D :D
i think instructor and student should use windcanceling microphone to communicate mid air if possible
and this is why insurance is so expensive.
Where did this happen?
Yes he had a radio, but normally we use it after I land. He was doing well and I only helped him out on the landing.
OK, Just wondering. We GA pilots keep portable backups as well.
Rookie here, only 13 jumps. Just wondering...What is the recommended amount of time (how many seconds) you would spend working a malfunction until you would cut away??
Obviously it varies based on opening altitude but lets just assume opening at 5000 ft.
Each malfunction involves different rates of descent. Maintain altitude awareness. Perform your stability and control checks. If it fails either check get rid of it ASAP. Make a decision and commit to it by 2000 feet.
Spoken as the guy hanging under the malfunctional parachute i would say as long as you have untill 2500 feet. Then cut away if your shute isnt working. This was an line over and it looked possible to fix with pulling the lines, obiviously i was wrong.
As a beginner 2 trys or 2 seconds is what I learned
@@gollo978two flares is the fix? if doesn't work then chop?
This is in the comedy section
He race you to the Ground like a Pro
On my rig?
As an AFF-I, I can 100% relate. :)
line over. keep focus on packing.
Does that happen often
dam was that 2800 before he let go ??
Scott, what happened to him? what was the malfunction?
Line over malfunction....He had a stand up landing on the reserve!
And that boys and girls, is why you spend a lot of time learning to Pack you're own Chute....
I always think about learning to jump and then I see one of these and I put it off for another year or so.
So far, It gives me a really good feeling about my safety. //ji
did he cut it away or cypress?
He chopped. If the AAD (Cypres) activated, then he would have both chutes out. AAD cuts the reserve loop to deploy the reserve, not cutaway the main. Your main is attached to your main risers, that are connected by the 3 rings, that is held together by your cut away handle.
As a manager of a sewage treatment plant, like the one seen in this video. I say the dude did the right thing in waiting to cut away
Wrong... how much is a life worth?
Canopies are easily replaced, and only cost money.
no radio?
looks like Suffolk
Wowww
What was his decision altitude, and when did he end up cutting it away?
Lawndart Productions he nailed the decision altitude at 2500'
Not bad at all then, even if he did raise your blood pressure a bit!
Looked hella lower. Must be that gopro effect
I couldn't do instructor. Feels like way too much responsibility. I don't like responsibility.
😎👍
He cut way too late.. he could of been hundred of feet higher under that reserve. Guy got lucky. Hope he was later taught that he needs to be under a functioning chute before 2k feet, whether that's the main or reserve. If you can't sort it out before 2k feet, cut it
You're right, but in this case i was struggeling with cutting away. Lost almost 800feet after i decided to cut before i was able to do it. Next time i will use two hands to pull cut away handle, not only one ;)
Wait..he had a walkie talkies? Why the hell didn't he use that instead of screaming.
.... really?
nice one
Did he hear you yelling at him?
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This guy sounds just like my instructor 🥹
pretty sure he held on it that long just to make you sweat :)
That was an aad or him?
In almost all cutaway videos i see people blaming the pack job.its true you must pack perfectly but things just happens when it's time to happen no matter how good your pack job is.
If you think in that way you will beging packing caresless everytime. As skydiver and or packer you have to take control dont leave things to chance just because you dont understand why things happened thats complacency and complacency is not good in this sport
bloody hell
He cut away at decision altitude 2500 feet
Ooooof
Is that bad ? When I did my static line in the training we were jumping at 3750 feet and were told if we need to do a reserve just do it before 1500 and we were told if we were thinking that we might need to at 2000 then do it
@@joemain3566 you don't wait any altitude and cut asap when you see it's not recoverable. The student made so many spins, there is risk of passing out
Psykopate exactly, cut away once you can fix the issue. Waiting to get to “decision” altitude is stupid. If you can’t fix it get the hell away from it.
Did he want him to cut away? ;)
are you friends with greg Stacy? cause you sounded just like him when he yells at students.... lol
I thought it was greg!
Even if you pay me a million $ OR € i'll not do that but it's look awesome feeling.
Yeah, this is why I'll never do this. I would have shit myself.
fuc..k yeah
I'm not sure he was clear enough.
SkydiveCity
TH-cam algorithm
Say what...? Lol!
Like he could hear you
Instuctors use coms gear to stay in touch with students. In theory, he could hear him..
what if the second chute has a malfunction?
🙂
They very rarely do. That's why you have to have your reserve packed by a certified rigger. If it does happen you have to work your ass off to try and handle it. The worst that usually happens with a reserve are some line twists and you can get those out pretty easy unless you're in a spin.
jesus that was low af
Emergency procedures retrain!
He was working the problem until decision altitude.... Can't blame him for that!
way too long brother.. but its nice he walked away..
How is it way too long? We train people to work it until they cant anymore (decision altitude) or they feel like they can't clear it. Being a newer jumper he probably didn't know what not being able to clear it looked like, so he tried until he was out of alti....
Don't jump toward propellers dude...
Why is this classified as comedy?
Same thought. This was not funny at all.
Outdated term but.... BENSON!!!!!! LOLS
cut the malfunctioning main parachute away, mkay?
cut it away
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