I love how in the clip at the end where you drowned, you can also see in the killfeed and map that an abrams does the same thing at the same time, just on the other side of the map. Edit: A 2a6 also drowned near you just before you did 💀
As a cold war German player who has access to top tier can agree it's pretty much the entire tree (honestly don't go much higher than 6.7 often as I don't find it as fun to play)*
Like i mean German mains are the most average players you can get the really brain damaged ones are in ussr and China and USA lately had somewhat of a loss in brain power cuz i'm seeing them trying out the russian strategies quite a lot
Imagine if gaijin gave the leo 2 PSO its add on front hull armor, I get it's for balancing but then Germany would finally have 2 up armored leopards for top tier
The majority of the teams are still just 2a5/6s. The winrate is most likely a bunch of tryhards dusting off their german lineups since they heard the 2a7v is good.
You think Germany got good stuff this update until you realize that Sweden has 3 Leo’s with spall liner. There isn’t even a point to play Germany since Sweden just get the same stuff but better
It's incredibly good and it's made better with the fact you have competent teams, occasionally you'll have awful games but it's so much better compared to what it was months ag when you'd struggle to have a good game.
@@448rawa Yeah man, it's pretty bad. Last patch it was already pretty rare to win a game with America, but now it's virtually impossible. I have top tier America, Russia, Germany, and France and only Germany has consistent results. Russia isn't great, and America and France are horrible unless paired with Germany.
@@jasonclohertyit’s crazy what happens when you start to give some of the other most popular nations half decent vehicles instead of exclusive giving them to russia
@@texasthib2029 The problem isnt that russia is no longer the best nation at top tier its that it simply switched. i play russia germany US and Sweden at top tier and its all suffering except for germany right now.
I've tried to have fun at higher teirs so many times, but it's just not for me. I can enjoy it up till about 7.7, before stabilisers, NVD and autoloaders become the norm.
For me the 2a7v is the best tank in wt but the only thing that triggers me is a small problem : the HE shell why is it time fuzed ? , the dm 11 got in real life 3 modes to chose from ( 1 mode shot the he and when the he penetrates something it explodes inside of it , the 2 is you shot over it and it explodes on top of it , the 3 mode is you shot at something and it will explode before that to spread like an shot gun ) , and the premium tornado is useless no gbu´s but america and russia can get an top tier jet with gbu´s that is even cheaper and on a lower br ,but its still fun to play .
tbh I own my Abrams only m1a2 sep to m1a1 Abrams only reason why I'm not complaining 1. Its just a game 2. gaiijin normally fix things in the future such as giving Abrams spall liner 3. even if it takes a long time to happen I still manage to kill t-90m now and then along with leopard 2a7v last one 3. I can always abandoned top tier and play mid tier because that's the shit ;)
Honestly I think the higher German win rates can be contributed to how long German mains have waited for this moment. Since Sweden released German mains have been seething about that addon hull armour. For the longest time Germany also only had gen 1 gunner thermals at 11.7. Now here we are....the 2a7v, hull armour, gen 3 thermals and its a German players wet dream. You can see it amongst German team mates, they've gone from lacklustre last patch to just downright committed to winning at all costs, like a kid in the candy store mesmerised by the shiny new lollies. I personally dont think the 2a7v is OP or 'broken' is has its fair share of weak spots with weaker armour than the strv. I think the German players are just spawning more at top tier now. Perhaps Spall liners increased leopard survivability as a whole? But that will be corrected when more nations get them. I think give it some time and Germany will probably stablise in terms of win rate.
Yeah, nice balance, because Germany didn't completely dominate GRB with the 2A6, nor with the 2A5, nor with the KpZ-70. USA air and Germany ground are the most gluttonous players ever, god forbid they don't stomp everything else.
@kabzebrowski can confirm as someone who has grinded at both top tier Russia and German ground....the win rate varies and fluctuates very frequently. I've been a strong advocate for the longest time that the bvm wasn't as powerful as people claimed. Even when Russia had a higher win rate. Well now it's time to say the same for the 2A7v. The current 2a7v is no where near as strong as the 2a6 or 2a5 when they released. They serverly nerfed armour on the leopards between then and now for realism and balancing, just go watch some old videos of it. The turret cheeks and breach were extremely reduced and so did the front hull. The truth is at the start of a new update....whoever gets the new shiny long awaited toy has the better win rate and especially in this scenario where the 2a7v could be one of the most anticipated vehicles for German players ever. It's basically equivalent to avengers endgame releasing.
@@unlockingsnow73 Welp, since we're posting credentials: I've played 4 nations to top tier (big 3 + uk), and I'm 2/3s into unlocking the first Leclerc (which I'm not expecting too much from tbh). Anyhow, Germany always had great/good vehicles, but the players are extremely vocal when something doesn't go as they want to. The only instances I remember where they didn't have the best vehicles was the IPM1 patch (but the 2A4 was still a good vehicle), and when the 122 released - which really is just another Leopard stomping.
@kabzebrowski I agree with you. I often accuse the German player base for being extremely cry-baby like. I remember when the dev server alone came out for this patch the amount of German mains crying that there's no dm73 which would completely brake the balance of the game was astounding. But where I have to disagree with you is when Germany wasn't the best. Of the 3 years since the 2a6....for a good solid 2 it's been a little rough when more nations got autoloader tanks with gen 2+ thermals. Then usa finally got there m1a2 sep which gave them gen 2 as well. At the time the leopards now had no gen 2 or higher thermals (not counting the 2pl because then you'd have to count the m1a1 aim for usa and they aren't tech tree vehciles etc) and also no hull armour. The only thing they had going was big pen, which Italy and Sweden now got access to by this point as well. I don't think Germany suffered during this time at all. But I can definitely say they were not number 1 either, let alone number 2 or 3. They were average at best. Now the 2a7v itself I personally dont think is what is changing the win rate. In any top tier match at most there's maybe 3-4 currently. With most teams still using 2a5,6, pl and pso. On top of that the 2a7v only really brought stuff to the German table Sweden had already. However the difference I've noticed is overall German players even those who don't have the 2a7....are spawning more, more determined to win games and I just think it's because they are motivated to play along with the fact alot of returning sweaty german players have returned.
The little fragmentation bits that come off of AP rounds is called spall. The spall liner catches them and prevents the spall from doing internal damage to subsystems and crew.
Only reason why germany have good win% is becose good players came back to germany. I never saw that manny german players wiithout any premium top tier in the game. So i love it as german main😊
Completey agree with you. Prior to this patch German top tier was pretty medicore, german team mates would rarely spawn more than twice and would push capture points. The addition of one tank can't absolutely change the meta especially when it shares similar weakspots and disadvantages of the previous iterations. It's 100% the players. They just seem more dedicated and motivated to win matches this patch. (Probably because the German tank everyone wanted for ages is finally here)
no, addition of one tank can absolutely change the meta. Having + one top tier respawn tank changes balance a LOT. Imagine if at least half of your team has plus one life - it changes everything. Especially if all of the German 11.7 tanks are arguably the best tanks in the game - having one more of those does improve things quite a bit. You also have to remember that each nation received new tanks, hence every nation had an influx of good old players - the problem is that other nations (except sweden) do not have anything remotely close to German leopards
what do you mean "again"? I got to top tier a few months before the L2A6 dropped, Germany was already one of if, not the best, nations with the L2A5. When the L2A6 dropped it was so OP that gaijin had to scramble to make new MBTs and new rounds for EVERY other nation! Even without the spall liners the L2A5/6 where still the best tanks in the game, unless you count the single week where the T90M existed and Germany didn't have spall liners!
Yeah russian bias is definitely active. T-90M win rate 22%. Top tier is unplayable for russia right now. But yeah if its not about russia bias no one complains. Not that i want to do but something is wrong, i started to play and lost the first 13. Games. What a waste of time
You are silly if you think Russia is suffering at top tier and if you only have a 22% win rate in what is now objectively the best tank in the game you are dog shit at the game bro
Retarded Nafo players talking about Russian bias, which is not, because you can 99% one-shot any Russian tank in lower front panel, or under the barel. The new Leo's front armour is almost unpennable for Russian tanks. Their crew members sitting higher than lower panel and it doesn't provides oneshots. Even if you shoot Leo's to the side under 90° those spileliners eats whole shot....
whats your winrate on top tier Russia? Its very much known that German players are the worst in the game - they had more 11.7 tanks than Russia for years, and yet couldnt stop whining.@@DaddysBelt92
Bout time they gave other nations the ability to compete, Russian tanks in Warthunder top tier were like gods fucking gift. And we all know for a fact they dont perform as good as they do IRL. Which shouldnt matter but since Gaijn insists on realism, it should AT LEAST be equal. The T-90m? ok that deserves to be a bit meaty and some of its previous vehicles. but russian tanks at 9.0 and 10.0 are overly meaty and survive things they shouldnt lmao. At least having some more options for dealing with them is def nice. Change of meta for once.
people who complain about russian mbts dont realise they are inferior (objetively) in all characteristics and aspects compared to leo2s and specially strv122s
Bro what, for years germany had only 3 top tier tanks while russia and America had like 5 or 6. Not to mention that Sweden had germanys best tank while also having even better versions of it. And then finally gaijin added something new for germany but it was the leo pso, which is just a worse 2a5. This is the first time germany has actually gotten something good since the 2a6 was added over 3 years ago
@@Jdhdhhdjdjdjdj GRB Germany is handheld through WT history, that is a fact. RU winrate only went up when they introduced the KA helis. If you are an older player like me you had to endure years of wehraboos whining. Kpz-70 stomped its era, then 2A5 stomped its meta, then the 2A6 stomped its meta (funny, many wehraboos claimed the game was the most balanced in this patch, mind you Germany was winning 70~80% of matches). You had a few anomalies in that such as the MBT-70 and the IPM1 being good, but that was about it. Sweden is the first handheld minor nation, Japan/Britain/France/Italy NEVER had undertiered vehicles.
Hey turny the fact that the le2a7 is still missing like 400m vs ke and same for heat and should be the fastest accelerating le2 even the le2a4 but hey 3gen thermal is just alone is big upgrade and gen1 is like poor quality tea you can taste it but the taste is really not there if you know what I mean 🗿
I love how in the clip at the end where you drowned, you can also see in the killfeed and map that an abrams does the same thing at the same time, just on the other side of the map.
Edit: A 2a6 also drowned near you just before you did 💀
the curse of poseidon
Happened to me in my Tiger II H
I hadn't noticed xD
man what was that laugh💀
timestamp?
The few German mains whose brain evolved beyond the tigers are very happy right now
As a top tier German player
It's very rare to have anything better than one chromosome with German teammates
As a cold war German player who has access to top tier can agree it's pretty much the entire tree (honestly don't go much higher than 6.7 often as I don't find it as fun to play)*
Why should we go higher than the tiger? Top tier is unbalaced and not fun where skill does not really matter.
As some1 who’s ingame name is German main…. I can confirm I’m happy to have a new good top tier tank
Like i mean German mains are the most average players you can get the really brain damaged ones are in ussr and China and USA lately had somewhat of a loss in brain power cuz i'm seeing them trying out the russian strategies quite a lot
Imagine if gaijin gave the leo 2 PSO its add on front hull armor, I get it's for balancing but then Germany would finally have 2 up armored leopards for top tier
Gaijin might give the Leo 2 PSO D-Tech composite and the hull spall liner its missing
@@Serkay64 They might, but by the time they add it we'd already have T14s and gen 5 MBTs... so basically back to having like 0 armor
at least buff D tech to be at least on par with Sweden's C tech
Man I LOVE the Leo 2A7V, it looks so damn cool. Coolest tank in the game right now in my opinion!
It is very cool :)
SEP is very cool. also garbage in brawling
Sweden has 3 tanks with spall liner
The last time was 3 years ago when the A6 came out and then it was 3 years of russian dominance. Don't feel bad at all.
The majority of the teams are still just 2a5/6s.
The winrate is most likely a bunch of tryhards dusting off their german lineups since they heard the 2a7v is good.
You think Germany got good stuff this update until you realize that Sweden has 3 Leo’s with spall liner. There isn’t even a point to play Germany since Sweden just get the same stuff but better
"No im not defending German technical superiority, im stating the fucking obvious!"
It's incredibly good and it's made better with the fact you have competent teams, occasionally you'll have awful games but it's so much better compared to what it was months ag when you'd struggle to have a good game.
blame the team i see.
@@darugdawg2453 it takes good teams to win games so yeah.
how the hell that thing is the same BR as the other one is completely beyond me
i swear youtube compression makes stuff look better than it actually does
11:30 I hate that you said that it's a pepe face. I CAN'T UNSEE NOW AAAAAAAAAAAA
🤣🤣🤣🤣
My M1A2 SEP winrate is 35% :'( And the only time we win is when Germany is on our team lol
i have 52% winrate as russia and the ONLY games i win is either by germany being on my team or i need to get 12+ kills
by russia i mean t90m and full toptier lineup
@@448rawa Yeah man, it's pretty bad. Last patch it was already pretty rare to win a game with America, but now it's virtually impossible. I have top tier America, Russia, Germany, and France and only Germany has consistent results. Russia isn't great, and America and France are horrible unless paired with Germany.
@@jasonclohertyit’s crazy what happens when you start to give some of the other most popular nations half decent vehicles instead of exclusive giving them to russia
@@texasthib2029 The problem isnt that russia is no longer the best nation at top tier its that it simply switched. i play russia germany US and Sweden at top tier and its all suffering except for germany right now.
I've never noticed the big pepe face on the map 😂😂😂 howling
;D
I've tried to have fun at higher teirs so many times, but it's just not for me. I can enjoy it up till about 7.7, before stabilisers, NVD and autoloaders become the norm.
For me the 2a7v is the best tank in wt but the only thing that triggers me is a small problem : the HE shell why is it time fuzed ? , the dm 11 got in real life 3 modes to chose from ( 1 mode shot the he and when the he penetrates something it explodes inside of it , the 2 is you shot over it and it explodes on top of it , the 3 mode is you shot at something and it will explode before that to spread like an shot gun ) , and the premium tornado is useless no gbu´s but america and russia can get an top tier jet with gbu´s that is even cheaper and on a lower br ,but its still fun to play .
Its cool but it isn't challenger 2 cool
As I read how it’s armor and penetrations isn’t correct I wasn’t very optimistic but I have played it yesterday it is super duper
Yes, it's great :)
Where are the mighty British Videos Of The Challenger 3 And Challenger 2 OES I'll Be Looking Forward To Them
What if Gaijin adds mines to the game? Simmilar to artilery system?
I had a feeling this thing was winning a lot of games.
Na, people on reddit will still complain their 2a7 isnt armoured enough, they wont stop until the leo is impenetrable on all sides
20 minute Turny video YES PLEASE
hello turny nice video as always, what graphic setting do you use? your game looks beautiful
Thank you dude :)
My graphics settings are pinned in our discord
why did u play with the 2A7V only using the 109 crew if u could have used the better 150 crew u used for the 2A6? :I
and re-expert the 2a6 which is close to aced?
nah nah nah m8 germany suffers start to end. they manage this despite have the best vehicles at almost any br
American top tier i s crying their oil filled eyes out rn.
hah brits have been crying since we got top tier
tbh I own my Abrams only m1a2 sep to m1a1 Abrams only reason why I'm not complaining 1. Its just a game 2. gaiijin normally fix things in the future such as giving Abrams spall liner 3. even if it takes a long time to happen I still manage to kill t-90m now and then along with leopard 2a7v last one 3. I can always abandoned top tier and play mid tier because that's the shit ;)
Well, since I'm gonna be gone for christmas, happy early christmas Turny! My gift from y'all is your vids!
Merry Christmas dude :)
Honestly I think the higher German win rates can be contributed to how long German mains have waited for this moment.
Since Sweden released German mains have been seething about that addon hull armour. For the longest time Germany also only had gen 1 gunner thermals at 11.7.
Now here we are....the 2a7v, hull armour, gen 3 thermals and its a German players wet dream. You can see it amongst German team mates, they've gone from lacklustre last patch to just downright committed to winning at all costs, like a kid in the candy store mesmerised by the shiny new lollies.
I personally dont think the 2a7v is OP or 'broken' is has its fair share of weak spots with weaker armour than the strv. I think the German players are just spawning more at top tier now.
Perhaps Spall liners increased leopard survivability as a whole? But that will be corrected when more nations get them.
I think give it some time and Germany will probably stablise in terms of win rate.
Yeah, nice balance, because Germany didn't completely dominate GRB with the 2A6, nor with the 2A5, nor with the KpZ-70. USA air and Germany ground are the most gluttonous players ever, god forbid they don't stomp everything else.
@kabzebrowski can confirm as someone who has grinded at both top tier Russia and German ground....the win rate varies and fluctuates very frequently.
I've been a strong advocate for the longest time that the bvm wasn't as powerful as people claimed. Even when Russia had a higher win rate. Well now it's time to say the same for the 2A7v.
The current 2a7v is no where near as strong as the 2a6 or 2a5 when they released. They serverly nerfed armour on the leopards between then and now for realism and balancing, just go watch some old videos of it. The turret cheeks and breach were extremely reduced and so did the front hull.
The truth is at the start of a new update....whoever gets the new shiny long awaited toy has the better win rate and especially in this scenario where the 2a7v could be one of the most anticipated vehicles for German players ever. It's basically equivalent to avengers endgame releasing.
@@unlockingsnow73 Welp, since we're posting credentials: I've played 4 nations to top tier (big 3 + uk), and I'm 2/3s into unlocking the first Leclerc (which I'm not expecting too much from tbh).
Anyhow, Germany always had great/good vehicles, but the players are extremely vocal when something doesn't go as they want to.
The only instances I remember where they didn't have the best vehicles was the IPM1 patch (but the 2A4 was still a good vehicle), and when the 122 released - which really is just another Leopard stomping.
@kabzebrowski I agree with you. I often accuse the German player base for being extremely cry-baby like. I remember when the dev server alone came out for this patch the amount of German mains crying that there's no dm73 which would completely brake the balance of the game was astounding.
But where I have to disagree with you is when Germany wasn't the best. Of the 3 years since the 2a6....for a good solid 2 it's been a little rough when more nations got autoloader tanks with gen 2+ thermals. Then usa finally got there m1a2 sep which gave them gen 2 as well. At the time the leopards now had no gen 2 or higher thermals (not counting the 2pl because then you'd have to count the m1a1 aim for usa and they aren't tech tree vehciles etc) and also no hull armour. The only thing they had going was big pen, which Italy and Sweden now got access to by this point as well.
I don't think Germany suffered during this time at all. But I can definitely say they were not number 1 either, let alone number 2 or 3. They were average at best.
Now the 2a7v itself I personally dont think is what is changing the win rate. In any top tier match at most there's maybe 3-4 currently.
With most teams still using 2a5,6, pl and pso.
On top of that the 2a7v only really brought stuff to the German table Sweden had already.
However the difference I've noticed is overall German players even those who don't have the 2a7....are spawning more, more determined to win games and I just think it's because they are motivated to play along with the fact alot of returning sweaty german players have returned.
Hate it when you just cant put the fire out, and its been happening more frequently lately.
Infuriating, especially when you are on a decent kill streak lmao
German mains are great… when in rank 6+ tech tree vehicles
fog is the new night in warthunder it seems
Leopards are the best, love your vids bro.
So many bad premium top tier players as enemys💀
Part of the reason GER is dominating right now :P
@@TurnyPlays yeah, i play the 2a6 and im 190k away from pso. It really helps XD
Whats the map you banned instead of Red Desert?
Can you play the Su-122 thats at 2.3 it is one of the biggest meme machines in the game. (in my opinion)
Until now I still don’t understand why German players always pop smoke.
What does the spall liner do?
The little fragmentation bits that come off of AP rounds is called spall. The spall liner catches them and prevents the spall from doing internal damage to subsystems and crew.
basically you get shot in the side and inly only one crewman dies
It’s in the fucking name
What dreamkiller said :)
How do you know if it is gen 2 or gen 3 thermals?
The pixel quality
Is this why mid-tier Germany just keeps losing?
hey turny wanna know a good movie to watch
Could you please play churchill.mk7? Please?
Only reason why germany have good win% is becose good players came back to germany. I never saw that manny german players wiithout any premium top tier in the game. So i love it as german main😊
Completey agree with you. Prior to this patch German top tier was pretty medicore, german team mates would rarely spawn more than twice and would push capture points.
The addition of one tank can't absolutely change the meta especially when it shares similar weakspots and disadvantages of the previous iterations.
It's 100% the players. They just seem more dedicated and motivated to win matches this patch. (Probably because the German tank everyone wanted for ages is finally here)
no, addition of one tank can absolutely change the meta. Having + one top tier respawn tank changes balance a LOT. Imagine if at least half of your team has plus one life - it changes everything. Especially if all of the German 11.7 tanks are arguably the best tanks in the game - having one more of those does improve things quite a bit. You also have to remember that each nation received new tanks, hence every nation had an influx of good old players - the problem is that other nations (except sweden) do not have anything remotely close to German leopards
Eu morro de rir de seus comentários. Well played!!!
balance now. have you seen US
Germany dominates now
Wonder where is the russian bias screamers at...
Love the vids
Well as a american main i am gonna definitely not grind myself not the top reward for the ground vehicle atleast air rb is very good for USA
AMERICA SUFFERS
Played cuz what I’ve said in the stream yesterday? :D
what do you mean "again"? I got to top tier a few months before the L2A6 dropped, Germany was already one of if, not the best, nations with the L2A5. When the L2A6 dropped it was so OP that gaijin had to scramble to make new MBTs and new rounds for EVERY other nation! Even without the spall liners the L2A5/6 where still the best tanks in the game, unless you count the single week where the T90M existed and Germany didn't have spall liners!
not top tier sweden? You are missing out on the best 11.7 tanks in the entire game and all of them except 2A6 have spall limer
Yeah russian bias is definitely active. T-90M win rate 22%. Top tier is unplayable for russia right now. But yeah if its not about russia bias no one complains. Not that i want to do but something is wrong, i started to play and lost the first 13. Games. What a waste of time
You are silly if you think Russia is suffering at top tier and if you only have a 22% win rate in what is now objectively the best tank in the game you are dog shit at the game bro
Top tier is "unplayable" because of the new tanks or because u need to aim better?
Russian mains when they don't have to just press w and need to aim at specific spots to kill something:😱
Retarded Nafo players talking about Russian bias, which is not, because you can 99% one-shot any Russian tank in lower front panel, or under the barel. The new Leo's front armour is almost unpennable for Russian tanks. Their crew members sitting higher than lower panel and it doesn't provides oneshots. Even if you shoot Leo's to the side under 90° those spileliners eats whole shot....
whats your winrate on top tier Russia? Its very much known that German players are the worst in the game - they had more 11.7 tanks than Russia for years, and yet couldnt stop whining.@@DaddysBelt92
Bout time they gave other nations the ability to compete, Russian tanks in Warthunder top tier were like gods fucking gift. And we all know for a fact they dont perform as good as they do IRL. Which shouldnt matter but since Gaijn insists on realism, it should AT LEAST be equal. The T-90m? ok that deserves to be a bit meaty and some of its previous vehicles. but russian tanks at 9.0 and 10.0 are overly meaty and survive things they shouldnt lmao. At least having some more options for dealing with them is def nice. Change of meta for once.
people who complain about russian mbts dont realise they are inferior (objetively) in all characteristics and aspects compared to leo2s and specially strv122s
Make more videos!🔥
Day 174 of asking for some juicy black prince gameplay 👾
Germany is actually so handheld I swear
past 9.0 not so much this is just an effect of people calling the snail out of the top tier RU bias
Bro what, for years germany had only 3 top tier tanks while russia and America had like 5 or 6. Not to mention that Sweden had germanys best tank while also having even better versions of it. And then finally gaijin added something new for germany but it was the leo pso, which is just a worse 2a5. This is the first time germany has actually gotten something good since the 2a6 was added over 3 years ago
All the Strv 122s still have better armor and sweden has 3 of those now. Just stop crying
Russia had only one top 11.7 tank before t90m what are you talking about? Meanwhile Germany had three 11.7 tanks@@poopstick924
@@Jdhdhhdjdjdjdj GRB Germany is handheld through WT history, that is a fact. RU winrate only went up when they introduced the KA helis. If you are an older player like me you had to endure years of wehraboos whining. Kpz-70 stomped its era, then 2A5 stomped its meta, then the 2A6 stomped its meta (funny, many wehraboos claimed the game was the most balanced in this patch, mind you Germany was winning 70~80% of matches). You had a few anomalies in that such as the MBT-70 and the IPM1 being good, but that was about it. Sweden is the first handheld minor nation, Japan/Britain/France/Italy NEVER had undertiered vehicles.
Hey turny the fact that the le2a7 is still missing like 400m vs ke and same for heat and should be the fastest accelerating le2 even the le2a4 but hey 3gen thermal is just alone is big upgrade and gen1 is like poor quality tea you can taste it but the taste is really not there if you know what I mean 🗿