I worked as a bouncer there in the 90s for a few years None of us liked counting bottles downstairs in the “cage” Or checking the upstairs when we found the back door was left open So many stories and so many good times. Now I park for free in the open lot behind what was the lotus when I work downtown as a union carpenter
4:22 There were surprisingly many factories in the blocks nearest the waterfront in the 1900s. Before the sea wall was built in the 30s, the buildings along the waterfront had their own docks & storage and fed a lot of industry & factories that were situated around these warehouses. If you need lots of raw goods, and everything is drawn by horses, you need to be close by or have a rail connection. Many of these factories built rope, made canvas, outfitted steam ships, etc. A look at the back of these waterfront businesses from back then (looking from the Willamette) gives a good idea; a lot of businesses have factory in their name and painted on the buildings. Especially around where the cast iron facades are. Look at Vintage Portland’s series of photos on the docks’ demolitions and sea wall construction to see a lot of great coverage of what was situated there until the 1920s. It’s fascinating, as they were multi-story docks lined up with multiple basement levels to be level with various ship sizes and loading/unloading locations. It was a technological marvel for its time, pre-containerization and before our big ports were built.
Portland has so much old world architecture! They should have made a museum out of this place. It has all the great stories people love, reminding me of the Underground Tour I used to take in Seattle, ending up with stories of the "Sewing Circles" whose funds built the towns.
It's sad no matter where in the world when an old building goes down. With so many personal stories so much history lost for greed progress as they call it.
I just caught a really cool long video of yours from 5yrs ago on the Kelly Bute area and when it was over I went to your chnl just to see if you're still uploading and sure enough, you are... What I was surprised to see was how you don't have THOUSANDS of views on your videos. They're well done, well edited, well narrated and super informative.... And the only thing I can think of, which seems like your videos kinda reiterate this is that people just don't care about history anymore?!! Your videos are like talking history books on local history (well, not to me, I'm over here in the Boston area, lol). Even though I'm never even been to Oregon, I still find the history of these places, even long gone, are still fascinating! Glad to see you're still uploading. Def will be watching more & looking forward to the new!
I totally was thinking the very same! I also just found his channel and have been totally hook! Love all the interesting info and history of our most groovy city🤗❤️👏👏👏
Appreciating history. Socrates succinctly stated "If a man does not know where he came from, how does he know where he is going?" One person's relic is another persons history!
1:29 so funny, this was one of my favorite now-gone buildings downtown, too. Always wanted to see the inside before they tore it down. Something about derelict old buildings I just love!
Came across your channell and immediately intrigued. I lived in Portland from 1988 to 2003. I'm just SICK to see the loss of those two beautiful building!
My sister's husband knew Vince Capitan, and gave me a cool ocean painting he did. She had told me the artist was infamous and he killed a famous boxer. I liked the painting and that was all I knew. Your story is great. I have it in my family room in Davis, CA--but now I am going to bring it back to Portland to hang in my NW Portland apartment.
Great work! May have been in it once for a drink when it was seedy back in the 70s but familiar with seeing it since being in Portland. Good to preserve history.
Lot of those flop horse hotels were nothing more than cribs, and drug dens. Circa 1983 >. I personally pulled at least two murderers from them. As far back as I can recall the Lotus was a very rough dive, along with the Old Glory and several others. This was long before the Federal building, or PPB relocated to that area. There was a Cony Island joint across the street. A Penny Arcade was also nearby. Hookers worked the Lotus block and nearby flops.
Bro... I had no idea it was gone. I haven't been downtown in quite a few years and even more, since I've been to the lotus. It makes me very sad... essentially, everything I enjoyed about my birth/home city, is gone now. Even my neighborhood, the Columbia villa (hey, I know it was the hood, but it was home), is gone. ...my middle school, Whittaker, is gone. I used to dance my hieny off and drink $5 long Island ice teas at the lotus until midnight, every weekend! They're constantly resetting, all around us... erasing our history. Badtards. Sik
I found you today on the algorithm, and I’m so happy 😊 you really do an amazing job!!! Newly subscribed and I’m enjoying the deep dive into your content ❤ much appreciated and wish you all the success in your journey.
Lol, same, but 4 days later! An older video popped up in my recmnds, from 5 yrs ago and after I watched it I came to the chnl. I hope more people find this chnl, bc the videos are so well done and very interesting!
ive never officially lived in Portland, only been shelterless there a couple times, i camped in the side rooms sometimes because it always made me feel safe, having to climb in and out got annoying tho
I used to go there in the 80s and early 90s. They poured a good drink. That's sad they couldn't salvage at least the exterior and make lofts. 😢 Memories. I also used to go to The Carriage Room. And another spot kitty corner from there on Broadway. On the Rocks off Burnside and another dance club on Park st., whose name has slipped my brain. Gosh, so long ago. What fun and crazy times!😅
I was heading to work one day last week and happened to look on the right to see a backhoe(?) tearing down the Village Inn on Beaverton Hillsdale Highway, I wish I could have gotten a photo, but the bus was moving and that made it impossible 😞😞
Me and my friends use to drink there. It definitely was an interest place but I didn't know it had that much of a history. I knew that several people had died there but people have died everywhere in Portland. I quit going Downtown about 6 years ago, it wasn't fun anymore.
The fact that the Lotus Building was demolished before it was even known for sure that the new development would happen makes me wonder if it was taxpayer money that was used. Unfortunately, nowadays, local governments happily hand out tons of public money to private developers (either without conditions or with no intent to enforce them) in order to grease the wheels of "progress."
I worked there from mid 1992 - mid 1993 as a bouncer. My friend Dan would be the one guarding the dance floor exit door to keep people from sneaking their friends in but many times Dan would meet a new “friend “ and they would go up the back stairs to “enjoy each other’s company” 😂 Wild times there indeed. I miss those days.
I went there on my 21st birthday at the end of 2000. back then bars would just give you a free drink if was your birthday with the implied assumption you'd spend more on more drinks. but I just made my way through downtown guzzling free drinks (long island ice yea...I know I know hahaha) by the time I made it to the lotus room I was 5 long islands and 5 40's and 5 blunts deep. I asked my friend where the restroom was as I had yet to take a leak that evening and had drunk a lot by then. I pointed towards an area that I had to cut through the crowded dance floor to get to, I found the door I thought he's pointed towards, and it led me downstairs. I then found myself in their basement. I was so drunk that it took me a minute to realize that was not the way to the restroom, after wandering around in the basement for a minute I quickly found I was too drunk to find my way out and then the realization that I was about to be that guy that pee'd his pants on his birthday, so i whipped it out and just let it out. as I finished, I started to sober up and that's when it occurred to me that I was standing in the doorway to the office in the middle of the basement and that I had just whizzed all over their leather executive desk and fancy office chair. i backed away in shock of what I'd just done and fell backwards onto the stairs and quickly ran up them and grabbed my friend to leave, who had just let in his minor friend cuz their security wasn't watching the side door hahaha!
When it comes to downtown, if the city wants an old building gone, they'll find a way to get rid of it. In this case, just ratchet up the fire code and bingo, it's gone. The greedy dollar overrides history and architecture. That's why Europe is still a popular tourist destination, America doesn't value its architectural history. The historic "Portland Hotel" near Meier & Frank was demolished for a parking lot. What a loss. Now it's "Pioneer Square".
I remember that horrible old parking lot, which took up the whole block ; even as a child, I knew that it shouldn’t be there! ( I have a framed print of the Portland Hotel, and have more nostalgia for it-a place I never knew-than for much of torn-down-and-rebuilt Portland. . .)
Went in there once in the early 2000s. There was a dance hall in the back with some kind of super bass-heavy something something and laser lights on order. Well-dressed girls dancing away. Didn't stay all that long 😉
This place was a happenin spot.. And they used to accept our fake Id's when we were teenagers 😂 they had a dance room with 2 cages for dancers at the top.
When I was a homeless kid in the 70s, I would sneak in through the back door where the card room was, bumming cigarettes and food. It got me out of the rain til the bartender would find me and throw me out. Unless my godfather was there. He wouldn't say shit, not to that man. No one did. Also, there was an old boarded up hotel not far from there, the old Taylor Hotel. Us kids would kick in a boarded window and if you had three or four girls you could take turns sleeping...it was sketch af but out of the rain.
People who care about these old worn out buildings don't have the power to save them so get used to it continuing. Unfortunately our city blocks are to small our city is too broken & our economy is to weak to allow for nice tall towers.
You are correct, RL, on both points! Personally, I hate the “nice tall towers” you refer to. . . I worked in the Big Pink from the mid to late ‘90s, and was literally made sick by the toxicity of the building, with its intake vents and sealed up windows on the black-sooted Bus Mall. . . Back when Adams was (drama queen dysfunctional) Mayor, they wanted to model Portland after (cities?) in B.C., Canada-even making a trip up there, though I do not recall details. Portland has its OWN character and history, and has no need for the plague of unhealthy, view-destroying, environmentally disastrous TOO-TALL buildings we now seem to be stuck with, as the blueprint for inner city development! But don’t get me started on the NEED for affordable housing, and the political power of DEVELOPERS in this town . . . .
there should be a historical trust committee in place so at least the outsiide of the building is kept in tact''greedy f...''n developers.the mayor should be held accountable ''
I cannot say for certain that this is true. I can only say this through an intuitive sense. No building where there are many questionable business dealings and deaths should be simply demolished. The souls who died there would be entrapped within the walls of the building and not know where to find the entrance into the next realm. A life of abuse and death by murder fail to instruct the human about what will happen when the body is not suitable to house the soul. Nor is there anyone to assist the soul at the moment of death. There are few who know how to enter haunted buildings who know how to assist the souls to find the entrance...the passage...where the soul goes to be purified of all earthly transgression. The very old churches may not have been to worship God. Originally, they may have been more for the community of living men and women to assist the souls to find the passage, to release themselves from all earthly bonds. The souls of the dead need assurance from those they care for that all will be well. The souls of the dead need to be free to leave behind all of their relations so they could turn and proceed into the passage. Murders cause the soul to be very disoriented. The thread is cut between this life and the hereafter. The soul is suspended and attaches itself to the building. We can the buildings haunted and the souls of the dead who attach themselves to the building ghosts. The churches that once assisted the dead no longer have this mission. As you can imagine, the back log of souls who are in suspension is greater than the living. Then things really don't go well for the living because the ghosts can and do become revengeful. They may remain in the walls of the building or they may go in search of a body to...snatch. As I say, I am not certain that this is true. I intuit...and sometimes I ask the souls to explain why they remain and why they take possession and what they need in order to enter the passage where they will be cleansed of all earthly sins and transgression. Nothing can be built on this corner piece of land where the souls of the dead who were abused and murdered. They curse the empty area. We cannot see what they have done. The building may have been demolished, but they maintain the building as if it were still there. There is something even more strange than that. The ghosts remain to reenact the scenes of their murders over and over again. Humans can sense something dark is there, but they cannot see with their eyes what is going on. It would be pretty horrifying if people actually saw the ritualized abuse and the killings that ghosts preform. Churches once had great bells ringing out and great pipe organs which created waves that carried the souls of the dead towards and through the passages into the next realm. They once had congregations of people who gathered to release the souls of the dead to proceed onward with the waves. How many souls of the dead are tethered to buildings, to people, to things? We can't see, but we do have our intuition to sense them and to sense their shadow play, their reenactments of their deaths. It is never advisable to try to contact the souls of the dead. The best we can do for them is release them from their torment by telling them to look for the passage into the next realm where they may be purified. "Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us." The effects of violations upon the soul is not within human understanding. Only those who are waiting for the souls to "cross over" into the next realm can show them "the way" to forgiveness. Unfortunately, humans cling to the souls of the dead and call upon the souls of the dead as if they have some insight into the future about how to achieve great fame and fortune. The problem with that is that the souls of the dead have never given any good business advise to anyone. However, they may...they may...have served by providing a good deal of dramatic material to use for murder movies that reenact the hack job they got when they died. Tell a vision...the living and the death connect on this level, but it will not ever serve humanity or the dead to reenact these events over and over and over. The human never learns about what to do when death comes. Which means...the back log grows deep, and thick, and darker and seemingly, not very hopeful. Is there hope? Yes, there is. Start with releasing each soul you know who has died. Let them return to the realm of purification of all sins. It is easy and effortless for those waiting in the next realm to forgive us our trespasses and all who have trespassed against us. Humans do not have the wisdom or the understanding or the desire to forgive anyone or anything that didn't go our way. People end the lives of people because they are not what the murderer wanted them to be. Otherwise, there would be no haunted houses or buildings or prison walls.
I find it utterly heartbreaking whenever a building of profound historic significance is destroyed. Now, while I certainly realize there is no definitive method of measuring a building's degree of "profound historic significance," I feel that some places have become so intricately woven into our popular culture as well as into our collective memory that the idea of deleting it permanently from existence is simply not an option. I feel that the Lotus was most certainly one of such type and should've never been demolished. While I have personally never visited Portland, I can sense just by the passionate and sentimental way you describe the Lotus, as well as by the remarkable stories and scandals of the hotel itself, that The Lotus was indeed a place of profound cultural influence and historic significance. And I share in your mourning of its loss.
If it weren't for the Lotus Room, I probably wouldn't be here. My dad was playing drums with a small jazz combo there, when my mom met him....
The twin to the Lotus' back bar is in the Sportsman's club in Dayton, OR. "Came around the horn."
I worked as a bouncer there in the 90s for a few years
None of us liked counting bottles downstairs in the “cage”
Or checking the upstairs when we found the back door was left open
So many stories and so many good times.
Now I park for free in the open lot behind what was the lotus when I work downtown as a union carpenter
You must know Ron Clayburger. He is my cousin
4:22 There were surprisingly many factories in the blocks nearest the waterfront in the 1900s. Before the sea wall was built in the 30s, the buildings along the waterfront had their own docks & storage and fed a lot of industry & factories that were situated around these warehouses. If you need lots of raw goods, and everything is drawn by horses, you need to be close by or have a rail connection. Many of these factories built rope, made canvas, outfitted steam ships, etc. A look at the back of these waterfront businesses from back then (looking from the Willamette) gives a good idea; a lot of businesses have factory in their name and painted on the buildings. Especially around where the cast iron facades are.
Look at Vintage Portland’s series of photos on the docks’ demolitions and sea wall construction to see a lot of great coverage of what was situated there until the 1920s. It’s fascinating, as they were multi-story docks lined up with multiple basement levels to be level with various ship sizes and loading/unloading locations. It was a technological marvel for its time, pre-containerization and before our big ports were built.
Portland has so much old world architecture! They should have made a museum out of this place. It has all the great stories people love, reminding me of the Underground Tour I used to take in Seattle, ending up with stories of the "Sewing Circles" whose funds built the towns.
It's sad no matter where in the world when an old building goes down. With so many personal stories so much history lost for greed progress as they call it.
I just caught a really cool long video of yours from 5yrs ago on the Kelly Bute area and when it was over I went to your chnl just to see if you're still uploading and sure enough, you are... What I was surprised to see was how you don't have THOUSANDS of views on your videos. They're well done, well edited, well narrated and super informative.... And the only thing I can think of, which seems like your videos kinda reiterate this is that people just don't care about history anymore?!! Your videos are like talking history books on local history (well, not to me, I'm over here in the Boston area, lol). Even though I'm never even been to Oregon, I still find the history of these places, even long gone, are still fascinating!
Glad to see you're still uploading. Def will be watching more & looking forward to the new!
I totally was thinking the very same! I also just found his channel and have been totally hook! Love all the interesting info and history of our most groovy city🤗❤️👏👏👏
Affordable housing should be built there again! Shops on ground level, apartments above.
Excellent documentary. Wish the building was still here. What a colorful history
Appreciating history. Socrates succinctly stated
"If a man does not know where he came from, how does he know where he is going?"
One person's relic is another persons history!
1:29 so funny, this was one of my favorite now-gone buildings downtown, too. Always wanted to see the inside before they tore it down. Something about derelict old buildings I just love!
I love your video! You are a great narrator. I wonder if there are any video archives of that hotel during its heyday.
Great job on this one Steve. As always your vlogs are really good bud
I spent my 20”s. Super sad it’s gone. I loved that building ❤
Cool. This video remnds me of the old long lost 80s dance clubs portland used to have, such as the one where Livingroom Theatres stands today
Came across your channell and immediately intrigued. I lived in Portland from 1988 to 2003. I'm just SICK to see the loss of those two beautiful building!
My sister's husband knew Vince Capitan, and gave me a cool ocean painting he did. She had told me the artist was infamous and he killed a famous boxer. I liked the painting and that was all I knew. Your story is great. I have it in my family room in Davis, CA--but now I am going to bring it back to Portland to hang in my NW Portland apartment.
I like the intro and the music came in the right place well done
Great work! May have been in it once for a drink when it was seedy back in the 70s but familiar with seeing it since being in Portland. Good to preserve history.
Great video!
Thanks!
The Blue Mouse, the Lotus, the history of Portland gone, forever.sad.
Very well done!
Lot of those flop horse hotels were nothing more than cribs, and drug dens. Circa 1983 >. I personally pulled at least two murderers from them. As far back as I can recall the Lotus was a very rough dive, along with the Old Glory and several others. This was long before the Federal building, or PPB relocated to that area. There was a Cony Island joint across the street. A Penny Arcade was also nearby. Hookers worked the Lotus block and nearby flops.
I also seem to recall Grimm shot some scenes in the Lotus as well.
Any chance of you elaborating, a year later?
Dang. I moved away in 2012. Had no idea that this happened until now. :(
I agree about the hiding of evidence and resetting is going on and I am thankful for you caring about it. Jon Levi does also. Thanks so much ❤️
Bro... I had no idea it was gone. I haven't been downtown in quite a few years and even more, since I've been to the lotus. It makes me very sad... essentially, everything I enjoyed about my birth/home city, is gone now. Even my neighborhood, the Columbia villa (hey, I know it was the hood, but it was home), is gone. ...my middle school, Whittaker, is gone. I used to dance my hieny off and drink $5 long Island ice teas at the lotus until midnight, every weekend! They're constantly resetting, all around us... erasing our history. Badtards. Sik
I found you today on the algorithm, and I’m so happy 😊 you really do an amazing job!!! Newly subscribed and I’m enjoying the deep dive into your content ❤ much appreciated and wish you all the success in your journey.
Thank you so much! The algorithm has been pushing lots more people my way and I’m super glad to see you all flocking in.
Lol, same, but 4 days later! An older video popped up in my recmnds, from 5 yrs ago and after I watched it I came to the chnl. I hope more people find this chnl, bc the videos are so well done and very interesting!
@@StevetheAmateurHistorian You make good videos. From a Portlander, I appreciate you
ive never officially lived in Portland, only been shelterless there a couple times, i camped in the side rooms sometimes because it always made me feel safe, having to climb in and out got annoying tho
It is sad people destroy history for greed
I used to go there in the 80s and early 90s. They poured a good drink. That's sad they couldn't salvage at least the exterior and make lofts. 😢 Memories.
I also used to go to The Carriage Room. And another spot kitty corner from there on Broadway. On the Rocks off Burnside and another dance club on Park st., whose name has slipped my brain.
Gosh, so long ago. What fun and crazy times!😅
Great video, Steve looking forward to the next ones!
I was heading to work one day last week and happened to look on the right to see a backhoe(?) tearing down the Village Inn on Beaverton Hillsdale Highway, I wish I could have gotten a photo, but the bus was moving and that made it impossible 😞😞
Now you can’t even afford a flop house
Me and my friends use to drink there. It definitely was an interest place but I didn't know it had that much of a history. I knew that several people had died there but people have died everywhere in Portland.
I quit going Downtown about 6 years ago, it wasn't fun anymore.
The fact that the Lotus Building was demolished before it was even known for sure that the new development would happen makes me wonder if it was taxpayer money that was used. Unfortunately, nowadays, local governments happily hand out tons of public money to private developers (either without conditions or with no intent to enforce them) in order to grease the wheels of "progress."
Developers have been having their way with Portland for a long time!
I worked there from mid 1992 - mid 1993 as a bouncer. My friend Dan would be the one guarding the dance floor exit door to keep people from sneaking their friends in but many times Dan would meet a new “friend “ and they would go up the back stairs to “enjoy each other’s company” 😂
Wild times there indeed. I miss those days.
The Lotus Card Room was a late night, last choice for me. I almost died leaving there in 1993. I remember it well.
I went there on my 21st birthday at the end of 2000. back then bars would just give you a free drink if was your birthday with the implied assumption you'd spend more on more drinks. but I just made my way through downtown guzzling free drinks (long island ice yea...I know I know hahaha) by the time I made it to the lotus room I was 5 long islands and 5 40's and 5 blunts deep. I asked my friend where the restroom was as I had yet to take a leak that evening and had drunk a lot by then. I pointed towards an area that I had to cut through the crowded dance floor to get to, I found the door I thought he's pointed towards, and it led me downstairs. I then found myself in their basement. I was so drunk that it took me a minute to realize that was not the way to the restroom, after wandering around in the basement for a minute I quickly found I was too drunk to find my way out and then the realization that I was about to be that guy that pee'd his pants on his birthday, so i whipped it out and just let it out. as I finished, I started to sober up and that's when it occurred to me that I was standing in the doorway to the office in the middle of the basement and that I had just whizzed all over their leather executive desk and fancy office chair. i backed away in shock of what I'd just done and fell backwards onto the stairs and quickly ran up them and grabbed my friend to leave, who had just let in his minor friend cuz their security wasn't watching the side door hahaha!
I hate when the government lets old buildings sit and get rundown on purpose so they can tear it down and put up some ugly modern building there.
It's not the government. sheeesh. It's the people who own the building.
I hope someone saved the sign. Steve, have you seen the neon sign for the Swan Dive bar on Grand and Morrison? It is delightful.
I like your videos. I grew up in a cool old lumber town of Everett Washington which you should check out one day.
When it comes to downtown, if the city wants an old building gone, they'll find a way to get rid of it. In this case, just ratchet up the fire code and bingo, it's gone. The greedy dollar overrides history and architecture. That's why Europe is still a popular tourist destination, America doesn't value its architectural history. The historic "Portland Hotel" near Meier & Frank was demolished for a parking lot. What a loss. Now it's "Pioneer Square".
I remember that horrible old parking lot, which took up the whole block ; even as a child, I knew that it shouldn’t be there! ( I have a framed print of the Portland Hotel, and have more nostalgia for it-a place I never knew-than for much of torn-down-and-rebuilt Portland. . .)
Great story as usual, I told you you weren’t a amateur CG
Too bad. I had so much fun there in the 90's!
Dn, i didnt realize they tore down the lotus
Didn't know they had torn it down my cousin's worked there during the nightclub era as bouncers almost went to work there but it was a little rough
If you feel the need for nostalga for the Lotus go to McNaulty & Berrys in Oregon City, they have the same exact furnishinjgs.
Did you ever come across info that it was originally located at 212 SW Third? I have tokens for both addresses.
Went in there once in the early 2000s. There was a dance hall in the back with some kind of super bass-heavy something something and laser lights on order. Well-dressed girls dancing away. Didn't stay all that long 😉
When will.you do Joyce?
😂😂😂 Exposition! I thought you said Expedition & was getting mad you thought the trip happened in 1906. Lol I gotta chill
This place was a happenin spot.. And they used to accept our fake Id's when we were teenagers 😂 they had a dance room with 2 cages for dancers at the top.
Grammer and context matter. It was reduced to rubble not ashes.
FYI : Grammar is the correct spelling.
You’re welcome.
When I was a homeless kid in the 70s, I would sneak in through the back door where the card room was, bumming cigarettes and food. It got me out of the rain til the bartender would find me and throw me out. Unless my godfather was there. He wouldn't say shit, not to that man. No one did.
Also, there was an old boarded up hotel not far from there, the old Taylor Hotel. Us kids would kick in a boarded window and if you had three or four girls you could take turns sleeping...it was sketch af but out of the rain.
One of dearest memories: The Lotus.
I don't know if the Lotus had an actual bar, most hotels did in those days.
Cool
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Like to get into those tunnels
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I got married at the courthouse and had my first drink as a married man at Lotus Room
The building next door is NW Natural
I care.
What's with his eyes at 15:50? Morphing into his demon self?
People who care about these old worn out buildings don't have the power to save them so get used to it
continuing. Unfortunately our city blocks are to small our city is too broken & our economy is to weak to allow for nice tall towers.
You are correct, RL, on both points! Personally, I hate the “nice tall towers” you refer to. . . I worked in the Big Pink from the mid to late ‘90s, and was literally made sick by the toxicity of the building, with its intake vents and sealed up windows on the black-sooted Bus Mall. . . Back when Adams was (drama queen dysfunctional) Mayor, they wanted to model Portland after (cities?) in B.C., Canada-even making a trip up there, though I do not recall details. Portland has its OWN character and history, and has no need for the plague of unhealthy, view-destroying, environmentally disastrous TOO-TALL buildings we now seem to be stuck with, as the blueprint for inner city development! But don’t get me started on the NEED for affordable housing, and the political power of DEVELOPERS in this town . . . .
there should be a historical trust committee in place so at least the outsiide of the building is kept in tact''greedy f...''n developers.the mayor should be held accountable ''
I bet you hate America. This is what America is about. Invest in land, and property, and make your investment count. Make it grow. Capitalism.
I cannot say for certain that this is true. I can only say this through an intuitive sense.
No building where there are many questionable business dealings and deaths should be simply demolished. The souls who died there would be entrapped within the walls of the building and not know where to find the entrance into the next realm.
A life of abuse and death by murder fail to instruct the human about what will happen when the body is not suitable to house the soul. Nor is there anyone to assist the soul at the moment of death.
There are few who know how to enter haunted buildings who know how to assist the souls to find the entrance...the passage...where the soul goes to be purified of all earthly transgression.
The very old churches may not have been to worship God. Originally, they may have been more for the community of living men and women to assist the souls to find the passage, to release themselves from all earthly bonds. The souls of the dead need assurance from those they care for that all will be well. The souls of the dead need to be free to leave behind all of their relations so they could turn and proceed into the passage.
Murders cause the soul to be very disoriented. The thread is cut between this life and the hereafter. The soul is suspended and attaches itself to the building. We can the buildings haunted and the souls of the dead who attach themselves to the building ghosts.
The churches that once assisted the dead no longer have this mission. As you can imagine, the back log of souls who are in suspension is greater than the living. Then things really don't go well for the living because the ghosts can and do become revengeful. They may remain in the walls of the building or they may go in search of a body to...snatch.
As I say, I am not certain that this is true. I intuit...and sometimes I ask the souls to explain why they remain and why they take possession and what they need in order to enter the passage where they will be cleansed of all earthly sins and transgression.
Nothing can be built on this corner piece of land where the souls of the dead who were abused and murdered. They curse the empty area. We cannot see what they have done. The building may have been demolished, but they maintain the building as if it were still there.
There is something even more strange than that. The ghosts remain to reenact the scenes of their murders over and over again. Humans can sense something dark is there, but they cannot see with their eyes what is going on. It would be pretty horrifying if people actually saw the ritualized abuse and the killings that ghosts preform.
Churches once had great bells ringing out and great pipe organs which created waves that carried the souls of the dead towards and through the passages into the next realm. They once had congregations of people who gathered to release the souls of the dead to proceed onward with the waves.
How many souls of the dead are tethered to buildings, to people, to things? We can't see, but we do have our intuition to sense them and to sense their shadow play, their reenactments of their deaths.
It is never advisable to try to contact the souls of the dead. The best we can do for them is release them from their torment by telling them to look for the passage into the next realm where they may be purified. "Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us."
The effects of violations upon the soul is not within human understanding. Only those who are waiting for the souls to "cross over" into the next realm can show them "the way" to forgiveness.
Unfortunately, humans cling to the souls of the dead and call upon the souls of the dead as if they have some insight into the future about how to achieve great fame and fortune. The problem with that is that the souls of the dead have never given any good business advise to anyone. However, they may...they may...have served by providing a good deal of dramatic material to use for murder movies that reenact the hack job they got when they died.
Tell a vision...the living and the death connect on this level, but it will not ever serve humanity or the dead to reenact these events over and over and over. The human never learns about what to do when death comes. Which means...the back log grows deep, and thick, and darker and seemingly, not very hopeful.
Is there hope? Yes, there is. Start with releasing each soul you know who has died. Let them return to the realm of purification of all sins. It is easy and effortless for those waiting in the next realm to forgive us our trespasses and all who have trespassed against us. Humans do not have the wisdom or the understanding or the desire to forgive anyone or anything that didn't go our way.
People end the lives of people because they are not what the murderer wanted them to be. Otherwise, there would be no haunted houses or buildings or prison walls.
Are you not going to mention the inflated octopus balloon 🎈 at all?!?!
I find it utterly heartbreaking whenever a building of profound historic significance is destroyed. Now, while I certainly realize there is no definitive method of measuring a building's degree of "profound historic significance," I feel that some places have become so intricately woven into our popular culture as well as into our collective memory that the idea of deleting it permanently from existence is simply not an option. I feel that the Lotus was most certainly one of such type and should've never been demolished. While I have personally never visited Portland, I can sense just by the passionate and sentimental way you describe the Lotus, as well as by the remarkable stories and scandals of the hotel itself, that The Lotus was indeed a place of profound cultural influence and historic significance. And I share in your mourning of its loss.
Well-stated and observed.
It's really sad that the City of Portland doesn't give a shit about historic buildings
Depends on who is buying them.
Dummy- It is not the city's decision what private owners decide to do with their investments