Retirement???? Space Marines don't retire "What is your Duty?" To serve the Emperor's Will! "What is the Emperor's Will?" That we fight and die! "What is Death?" It is our Duty! "What is your Duty?" To serve the Emperor's Will!
A few marines have retired though. Once was a Soul Drink and he was so old that he had to have Special exoskeleton just to stand. Another was a Salamander and he kinda fused with his seat after waiting 10k years
@@darthcalyx8986 Nope read Soul Drinkers Novels. The Salamander was given The Emperors peace and the rest of the Salamanders took the wargear he was guarding
Star Trek: We use Warp Drives. Star Wars: We use Hyperdrives. Stargate: We use Stargates. Battlestar Galactica: We use Jump Drives. WARHAMMER 40K: WE FLY THROUGH SUPER HELL.
"Star Trek: Se use Warp Drives." - a bit like the Tau use for warp drives, just skim the surface, nice and safe. Well until the 4th expansion Fleet anyway. Could also explain the time traveling and dimension jumping you see in Star Trek. There being trolled by the Changling dressed up as 'Q'. :)
Stargate Uses Hyperdive for most ships, and super stargates for specific transit points, similar to mass drivers in mass effect. Stargates themselves are for the small ground-based planet to planet travel.
The whole Spartan 2 program was all done in secret even from most of the UNSC government and military and as soon as details about the stolen children came to light Dr. Halsey was charged and jailed.
“You have the ethical issue of sending nine year olds into battle...” Kids on a common lower or Underhive city: "are we a Joke to you?" Kids on a Deathworld: "cute"
@@patrick_j_lee To be honest, I do think the Clone troopers were very underrated, and I do think they are a much better fighting group than Imperial guardsmen.
"When I joined the Corps, we didn't have any fancy schmancy tanks. We had sticks! Two sticks, and a rock for the whole platoon and we had to share the rock! Buck up, boy, you are one very lucky marine!"
The imperial guard unit they talked about has been fighting this on going war for 57 years. Like any of the other battle groups have had to fight anything like that long. Cadia Stands
Yeah I wanna strangle whoever wrote this script you can tell they're trying to cash in on a community they know nothing about. I haven't finished the video but if space marines lose than imma unsubscribe because it would just go to show how disingenuous they. What pisses me off most of all is that they keep calling the imperium the empire.
The clone And stormtrooper armor was pretty good at absorbing Lasers the reason why they fall After one blast is the heat that knocks them out and doesnt kill them
Except Star Wars uses blasters (charged particle weapons), not lasers. You're on the right track, though; the electromagnetic envelope that contains the plasma in the blaster bolt acts as a sort of neurological EMP to render the target unconscious.
@@GearranYou're telling me those blasters straight up shortcircuit people into a KO? Pretty nuts! Makes a lot of sense that they can set them to stun then.
@@kirbyis4ever at the very start of Episode IV you can see some KOed stormtroopers moving and being helped by their comrades to get back up before Darth Vader makes his entrance
You do realize that the book that those Ecclesiarchy fuckers love, ya know the one that proclaims me a god. It was written by Lorgar, the primarch who convinced Horus to be an edgelord and start worshipping those four chaos fuckers.
The adeptus astartes from warhammer 40k. They are just SO over the top. Fighting a marine in his armour is like throwing a infant to a bunch of angry bears.
@@axza9590 they demolish spartans in open combat No seriusly unless the spartans bring spartan lasers they dont have any hope to for them to bring down and a states but the startes canjus shoot a magazine in their general direccion and the apartan will probably die.
then there all dead for heresy. speaking of which you are sentenced to death for miss-information. there called guardsmen, not space marines. the space marines are close to immortal superhumans
"They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear."
I like to think that the Clone looking up at the Kaminoans at 2:04 with that disgusted look on his face is Sgt. Slick while he was still in training. Like he already realized he hated what they created him for, and it was just a matter of time until he tried to find a way out.
Ok everyone whose ever said something along those lines are all paraphrasing Alexander the great's original "I am not afraid of an army of lions led by a sheep, I am afraid of an army of sheep led by lion."
As much as I love the Imperial Guard, I wouldn't consider them part of the "space marines" level of the other armies in this video. It would be like comparing the Imperial Army to the Stormtrooper Corps in Star Wars. Then again, comparing any of these other armies to the Adeptus Astartes, would be like comparing NBA pros to a grade school basketball team.
The thing is, there are actual marine forces in the Astra Militarum, BUT OF COURSE they used the actual standing army information and thus that made them the #1 pick for having things they actually didn't
@Rohit Thaosen Karskins are more Force Recon, Army Rangers or paratroopers and Tempestus Scions don't really have an equivalent because they are effectively the Spanish Inquisition if they had laser cannons and competence
“The USCMC is terribly mismanaged. For example, sending a lieutenant with no combat experience on a potentially deadly mission and putting him in charge.” Son, let me tell you a few stories about the US military.
"Why the hell send your messages and ships through what is essentially a gateway to hell continuously for thousands of years?" We can thank Magnus for that. The Imperial Webway project was supposed to remove humanity's reliance on warp travel but Magnus wrecked the thing.
We can thank the Emperor for that, as he should have told THE SECOND BEST PSYKER IN THE IMPERIUM why you don't go opening holes in the warp for ANY REASON
John Ringo had a good take on XT combat. His series on the Posleen Wars is one of the best military sci-fi epics I've ever read. He's ex 82nd so understands the military world view.
It's really unfortunate that - in my opinion at least - Ringo has a hard time keeping a series interesting after about 2, MAYBE 3 books. The Posleen, Troy Rising, and Into the Looking Glass were all ones where I RELLY enjoyed the first book, was meh on the second, and didn't bother to pick up the third (well, for the Posleen I picked up Watch on the Rhine, but really didn't like how it portrayed the former SS guys).
Power level is a little high for "space marines" (Star Wars Clone Troopers) who were only utilized for 13 years whereas the Guard have been holding the line for 10,000 years.
uhh... no, Space marines have been a thing for well over 10k years and the guard was made when the Emperor of mankind needed a defense force to protect Imperial planets while the Space marines were away conquering more planets.
The Space Marines or their Earliest form, the Thunder Warriors are what the Emperor used to conquer the warring tribes of earth with. So The Emperor built the space marines and used the Crusade Power armor to Establish his Imperium, so they were there at the beginning of the Imperium.
@@kadingirlycaon6682 angry ghost I am using the term Space Marine as used in the video. Not about the Adeptus Astartes. Of all the "space marines" listed the Clone Troopers came in at #1 with a power level of 4.4ish and the Astra Militarum were just behind at 4.3ish. The Clones were only used for 13 years at the start of the Clone wars and a couple years into the reign of the Galactic Empire. The Astra Militarum have held the line for a thousand times that. Their weapons, armor and vehicles far surpass that of the GAR (grand army of the republic).
@@TheMegamyGamer clones only had to face droids and some humanoid alien creatures. The boys who fought on felucia have my respect but overall they just have poor tactics (Jedi had no real combat experience), slow weapons (blaster bolts are low velocity) and their vehicles (aside from the turbo tank) are awful.
Kinda sad that Aliance Navy from Mass Effect, or X-Com are not included. By my opinion, those are some of the most underrated military forces in sci-fi.
Science fiction not space fantasy. Totally different genres. It's like comparing Star Trek and Star Wars. Star Trek is sci fi, Star Wars is space fantasy.
@@h347h h347h Technobabble doesn't make a setting hard sci-fi. There was a moment when Spock sensed death of hundreds of Vulcans over interstellar distance, and that alone should put Star Trek in space fantasy list. 'cause it's magic, plain and simple. There were multiple cases of psychokinesis either. Number of physics laws are circumvented or ignored in Star Trek, and when explanation is given, its kinda bullshit. It's space fantasy too, trying hard to look like sci-fi. Want to see sci-fi? Watch Expanse. Or Altered Carbon.
the novel is a different universe altogether, even the alien planets are mega-industrialized urban capitals. the best part about the movies is that their parodies of the world built in the books and is a "what this would look like in real life" and not some 1930's fascist writers utopia
(Edit: For those who don't know of course) The Novel is a complete 360 from the films in almost every way, it's actually kind of insane. The book is a political bit about a guys utopian fantasy, throwing Communism under the bus by name, no such thought was behind the film, sad.
Most of the book is also about Juan’s journey, military culture and fascist government, there’s only a few relatively short combat sequences and they’re not anything like the movie. I love both versions but for VERY different reasons. Anybody read stranger in a strange land?
@25:44 Showering together can also be seen as a sign of being mature enough to keep their urges under control too. In Europe, we have many mixed dressing rooms and showers (at saunas for instance). Most of us have no issues with being naked around friends or strangers. 😀
If they used actual space marines they would overshadow all the others... also the weakest astra militarum force surpasses modern navy seals in every way you could think of
The Video is literally says “space marines” then ignores the 40k Space Marines and talks about the Imperial Guard instead. Very bizarre. Its like talking about best superhero characters and ignoring Batman.
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I feel like the helmet thing with Rico is a bit overestimated. Yes he took it off the guy during a live fire exercise, but iirc it was because the guy couldn't see, and they weren't in a spot that enemy fire was likely to hit them. Then the person on their own side falls and fires their gun wildly, and shoots him in the face. And that shot in the face hit his eye, which wasn't protected by the helmet.
Ricochet or Spalding would have literally made his head look like ground beef, prego, and broken porcelain. Rico just might have given the man a far less humiliating death by getting him to take his helmet off.
The problem wasn't if the guy has on a helmet or not. The problem was that Rico lost focus on the exercise and the cohesion in the unit fel apart. He was put in charge, and he got punished.
Right unfortunately yet again this channel fails ...mentions the marines from Starship Troopers and calls the video Best Space Marines in science fiction but misses the damn point that the marines in the fcuking book had fusion powered armour,jump jets,missile launchers,energy weapons and carried battlefield nukes...
Sees best space marine in sci fi: Any Warhammer 40k fan: This isn't even a contest. But seriously, why is the James Cameron avatar here? They're military contractors.
To be fair, Space Marines aren't even half as tough as Krieger, nor as brave as a Cadian. During the siege of Vraks, Kriegers saved a bunch of Space Marines and Inquisitors from a demonic ambush.
@@lordcastellan4735 Um I'm calling some grade A bullshit on the first two. What chapter were the Marines from, since I'd like a look at that myself before making a call on that. But I so very highly doubt that.
@@queennidus2249 Can't come up with your own insults? And most guardsmen don't join up willingly, they're conscripted. And you can fuck right off with astartes not caring, especially since the salamanders exist. I'd rather be an astartes any day, especially since they can actually think for themselves rather than be simple minded ecchlesiarchal puppets. Every time they say "for the god emperor" that's just another middle finger to their God. And you're calling the emperor a mutant. The SMs were based off primarchs, who were in turn based off the emperor himself.
@@queennidus2249 I'm not actually the biggest fan of them. And I personally think they are given the wulfen exist jackass. Although I do like how they repeatedly show the Inquisition where they can fuck off on multiple occasions when it counts. Like the 2nd war for Armageddon. Your guardsmen wouldn't have survived that without the wolves. So other than uncalled for insults, anything else here? You accuse me of being a toxic fan, but you started the petty bullshit first
As much as I love Star Wars, the Astartes are literally the grandchildren of a GOD-LIKE BEING (who then became an *actual* god) they are gigantic beasts with the best armor mankind can offer, the best weapons it can offer, their minds are incredibly powerful, and their tactics were written by Rowboat Girlyman (Papa Smurf) or their respective Primarchs. An Astartes could snap all of these space marines backs with ease. There’s a clear reason why they weren’t on this list.
Even without their armor an Astartes is pretty resistant to most damage, they are constantly fighting literal hell with the two sides of races created specifically as weapons for war (eldar/orcs) anyone whos says "well their armor is weak to this" or "well this entire chapter was ripped apart" put in perspective the horrific existence that is the 40k universe. "Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods"
yes the clear reason is that despite being called space marines they serve a completely different purpose than all of the other space marines and thus are incomparable
@@nahuelleandroarroyo which tbh is a continuous trend of GW writers failing to understand scale. I literally read in my 9th edition space marine codex that a company (so at max 100 marines) of imperial fists held TEN mega fortress complexes. So maybe 10 marines per fortress? I can’t see that being very much of help in a fortress that’s probably the size of a hive city.
@@hansstrudel9614 Probably with the help of their chapter serfs and other local militia. Chapter serfs usually help out in defence missions such as guarding their forward base, voidships, and fortress monastary but they don't use them in offensive missions cause they can't keep up. Is it illegal? Yes and no, they're technically still part of a space marine chapter however.
Good points overall, but the M56 smart gun is not a stupid weapon. The harness and HUD allow it to be used from the hip. Though it is a long weapon, they wear it with the center of the gun at their hip. This makes it able to pivot at sharper angles than a shoulder fired rifle, thus reducing its clunkieness. Not only that but from the looks of it, the mechanical arms seem to redistribute the weight to the body to the harness, there by balancing the weight on the marines center of gravity. As someone that has worked in a stock room, I can tell you balancing heavy objects, like on my shoulder, greatly reduces the strain of toting it around. James Cameron is not a perfect man, but he is the Maestro when it comes to sci-fi tech.
"In the warhamer 40k universe, there is no such thing as hope. The individual has no worth and there is no greater future for a man than service to the imperium" *loyalty to the throne intensifies*
The planet krieg has called. They have a sign on bonus for you, dying your first deployment, and a strong potential of executing a commissar for cowardice. Keep your slate close in case your contract comes through the astropathic vine
“Clips” no, no, no...”Magazines” Please don’t ruin the amount of work you’ve done by overlooking this. There is a difference. I’m still binging on your videos. You have some amazing uploads.
They didnt need to be here as the guard can already put every other scifi army to shame. Even space marines could never win against the guard as they have such a large number advantage and balls of steel
They could have also used actual "Space Marines" for thier Space Marines list..... Ssiiiiigghhhh for example: Star Wars Clone Troopers: How are they "Space Marines" when they call themselves The Grand ARMY of The Republic!!?? Starship Troopers: How are they Space Marines when they call themselves TROOPERS. That's an army term. From back. When armies used Calvary they were called cav Troopers. They use Army ranks in the book and movie! Sergeant 1st Class is an Army rank! If they were Marines, he'd be called a gunnery sergeant! The military space stations in starship Troopers are called FORTS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!! Siiiggghhh, civilians throwing around the word "Marine" because they think it "sounds cool" 🙄🙄🙄
@@madkabal Within the clone troopers there is a section called the Galactic Marines which morphed into a special section of Storm Troopers during the Empire. On that sort of basis you could consider the Clone Troopers and Stormtroopers to be basically Space Marines. There are a lot of older EU sources where Stormtroopers so exactly what the term Space Marine means. The Space Marines of 40K are literally called Space Marines but are far off what the rest of these military groups are. I'd say most of the Imperial Guard are not at all Space Marines and that Storm Trooper specific divisions are the most appropriate group to use but Imperial Navy Ratings officers are the actual space marines of 40k.
Title of video: Best Space Marines in Science Fiction | Mega Video Comes to warhammer: "So they got guys called the Imperial Guard, and they got guys called SPACE MARINES, which should we use for our SPACE MARINE comparison? Imperial Guard, got it." This whole list just became invalid. I realize they probably chose the Imperial Guard so the other factions at least have a chance. But if thats the case, it should not be a list of SPACE MARINES. Call it a list of Sci-Fi armies/soldiers or something. Heresy.
To be fair, Space Marines are less like marines or soldiers, but more special forces like the German GSG9 or the US SOF when compared to modern military.
@@thyrussendria8198 special forces? You mean Officio assassinorum, Grey Knights and Adeptus Custodes(this guys could make a space marine look like a imperial guardsman)?
'there is no standard uniform or armour being produced in a central forgeworld'.......me casually looking at Cadian/Cadian style regiments basically forming 'the look' of the Astra Militarum
We're not talking about pure vs here, it was about efficiency. But of course all the hordes of sweaty 40k came and voted their precious universe up into oblivion. If we were to talk about pure power, the forerunners from halo or the dalek from dr.who would EAT the enitre 40k universe, let alone the imperium of man.
@@me67galaxylife aren’t daliks and forerunners a race? I don’t know much about forerunners except that they are like gods or something as powerful. And daliks are… like Darth Vader if he was indestructible, and had instant death lazors and couldn’t go up stairs. Except for the legged daliks. Either way it doesn’t really matter. I’m sure could beat Space Marines. But… didn’t both of those examples go extinct? Doesn’t sound like they are gonna be very good at this point in time… Also… neither are marines of the space variety. Now I kinda want to watch doctor who again. And you talk about the sweaty hordes of 40k fans upvoting their fandom. But star wars won. Which is known as the largest fandom. So go be mad at stormtrooper. Also notice how I didn’t argue with the sweaty part. That part is 100% true.
@@Zyrdalf Forerunners are from halo and predate the events of the games, where they are extinct. Their basic units are capable of destroying a continent and they had thousands of ships, every single one of them having the power to wipe an imperium flagship in the blink of an eye; and controlled by god-like super smart IAs. Daleks are from Dr.Who and have nothing to do with darth vader, they ressemble an inverted trash can and are inherently against any life form that isn't a dalek. A single dalek is crazy strong but it doesn't even matter : They have near instant ftl, can destroy planets and stars with their basic ships. They also get ressources by literally "hacking" it into the universe (not really but that's to explain it simply) They have also been shown to replicate themselves enough to block time travel and can even destroy the Tardis itself which can survive the big bang. They're just on a whole other level.
@@me67galaxylife so I was basically correct? Forerunners sound like they would be way more powerful then a Space Mario. And Daliks don’t really sound like they are marines. Thanks for informing me about them! Also, they both go extinct right? The Forerunners die from a little zombie bugs. And Daliks kind of lost… a war? And a bunch of other times to a guy with a screwdriver. I remember the episode where thousands of them come out of a flying coffin or something. Still lost. Far as I know Space Marines basically already are fighting things much worse then the flood. And spice marines deal with timey whimey all the timey. But could probably lose to screwdriver guy just because his ship is ultramarine colored. Pretty sure blue just makes you op in 40k.
For halo I believe that they did reverse engineer plasma weapons, however they did not have the certain type of resources needed to actually produce them.
I would argue that the clone troopers being born and raised by the same people who train them for war is similar to the Spartan method training in which every male child was property of the state and raised first and foremost to be a soldier in the army. The difference is, the Spartans also learned enough letters, numbers, and, if necessary, statecraft that they could continue to function if they lived long enough to retire from the army. Clones, between the commission of the GAR and their short lifespans, were going to die young even if they survived the war.
Goes to show how close it is between the Clone Troopers and the Imperial Guard, I like the Guard better just for the fact that they had seen the worst, Clone Trooper had mostly fought either humanoids or droid enemies, you take some Imperial Guard in the star wars universe and fought what the Clones fought, a Guardsman will be thinking "Wait, since when we get breaks in a war?"
its because the military structure in star wars actually care about his recruits and also because star wars the threat are not ridiculously high, but also star wars universe show us that you don't need to be good in melee for win, in warhammer the perfect exemple are the tau, so yeah if the imperium want to invade the star wars universe i will say good luck, it will not be easy as they think
@@TheMegamyGamer If the Imperium of Man invaded Star Wars, they could conquer it in record breaking time. Star Wars would get completely wrecked in a matter of days. Navy wise, not only does the Imperium of Man have a FAR larger navy, even their weakest ships are so SO beyond anything in Star Wars, it would be a joke. And as far as an Imperial Guard compared to clones, not even a comparison. Blasters leave scorches. Blasters have bad range. Blasters are not light speed weapons. Imperial Guard on the other hand has Lasguns. While they may be weak in 40k, they'd be incredibly overpowered in Star Wars. They don't share the major heat problems. And note that there are major heat problems in Star Wars lore. That is why Jango uses special guns. They allow him to fire faster, and catch Jedi off guard, as most blasters cannot fire so quickly, and Jedi can be overwhelmed. To top it off, these weapons do not leave scorch marks. They blow off limbs, cut people straight in half, etc. They have great range. The ammo is the speed of light.
@@SomeGuy-qh6rw return do research and please come back with you'r ridiculous church battleship i will laugh a lot since you'r little things can't work without the warp around in the star wars galaxy, even space to space you'r outgunned as star wars star figther are way more advance than you'r little Valkyrie or thunderwake. i will be honest warhammer is a pile overthetop vehicule who do not make sens ;)
@@TheMegamyGamer Allow me to educate you then, son. As it is clearly you that needs to do research. First off, your fighters are shit. They aren't going to do anything against a 40k vessel. They aren't ever going to catch a 40k vessel for that matter, nor will the fastest ship in Star Wars. The fact that you think Star Wars has more firepower, is laughable. Even in the stupid shit, that is the new canon of the most recent movies. How is anything in Star Wars going to target, and aim at something moving at 75% the speed of light exactly? Not to mention, the distances which Star Wars ships engage at, are tiny as fuck, compared to 40k, which regularly engages at 500k kilometers and larger. Let's talk about the sturdiness of each of the ships. 40k ships can take enough firepower, that at the very least, the entire surface of a planet would be destroyed, and then some. As it takes quite a bit of their sustained fire power to take down void shields. Boarding parties are common, and they can teleport straight onto ships. Especially since Star Wars doesn't have anything to stop teleportation. But don't worry, I'll give citations in my second post to make all of this very clear. I'll do the research for you.
@@Jebu911 Uhh, At one point they weren't used as special forces. They were an actual fighting force if we remember the space marine legions. Just as the clones had clone legions. In all technicality, the Astartes were in fact at one point the sole driving factor for the Imperium of Mans expansion and near success at securing the galaxy for humanity. For the most part, the Astartes (Space Marine) Legions numbered anywhere from 50k to 100k manpower. With the mild exceptions of Magnus and Fulgrims legions. They got the raw end of it. Even then they were still in operation alongside their fellow primarchs and their other legions. So technically speaking people could argue this video was not accounting for when the Imperium of Man was in its peak condition. But for balance reasons, I understand why they didn't. In reality, they shouldn't have added the 40k setting into this contest. Even with how bad off the Imperium is right now there is no real winning against them.
Brothers everywhere raise your hands into the air We're warriors warriors of the world Like thunder from the sky sworn to fight and die We're warriors warriors of the world
Wait isn’t Clone armor actually decent? Most of the times we see them die is from point blank shots. But even then, Clones have been shown to survive multiple shots before going down like Heavy and Thorn. Even Rex took a sniper shot to the chest and survived, albeit with additional officers’ armor. But even Appo survived a lightsaber graze to the chest.
@@aesonkeel6527 That's specialized Commando armor, build to survive an explsive large enough to level buildings at point-blank range. The rest is still damn good armor, though
Firstly: That's a lot of heresy there. It would be a shame if the Inquisition would come to know of this video... Also: It's always a bit funny when people paint the persians in the greek-persian wars as monstrous enemies. Yes - they were the aggressors, but when you look at their society, their values did correspond more with those of modern western societies, than some of the greek citystates.
They're mainly painted as enemy because of pop culture, in which case their depiction come directly from the greeks. Now the persians weren't exactly kinbd hearthed but the greek weren't either, tho i would rather live under greek rule than persian rule
@@me67galaxylife I would rather live under the Persians as Persia was much more safe, less authoritarian than the Greeks (see whatifalthistory’s video about classical civilization, or at least I think that’s the one.), had outlawed slavery, and was more accepting than the Greeks.
@@Salesman40mm While i think whatif has sometimes interesting points, i don't agree with his hyperfactual approach (like he put history in an excel chart) nor his condescension. And i guess it depends on where you live in persia or the greek world
I kind of have to disagree with using the Aliens movie as a basis for the ENTIRE Colonial Marine force in that universe. The way I see it, the mission those specific marines were sent one was MEANT to fail. Not only as a movie plot, but because the company NEEDED them to fail to get an impregnated Ripley back unimpeded. Thus the entire mission was just a ruse to send Ripley in the first place. The replaced the commander with someone they knew was inept to ensure the lack of cohesion and thus ensuring mission failure. I don't think the entire marines universe wide would work as badly as this one mission went.
I felt much rage when the entire unsc section came up as I am the ultimate Halo nerd but I imagine nerds of other series also got mad when their section came up, many things have been overlooked... And 40k insta wins as the universe is made to be over the top
Seeing Halo and 40k below Star Wars is outright heresy! And yes I'm a big nerd for all those three. And seeing him using regular guardsmen as marines is a second heresy! Tempestus Scions! Those are used for that kind of warfare when no Astartes are available. And in addition does bloody Star wars has a man flying pretty well for a stone or absolute mad lads jumping onto the planet only in a tincan? No. You can't tell me a clone marine is more effective than a Spartan or an ODST
@@me67galaxylife imo comparing forces from different universes on who would win is stupid, like we don’t know how they would adapt, how their weapons affect each other.if the universes would collide I believe that the republic and cis would batch together and probably win, even against the SPACE MARINES, as we see both Star Wars armies relied on artillery and lazers, but it would be strange to see this battle and it could go to any side
If you watch the starship troopers movie as an imperial guard vs tyranid movie with Casper van diem playing sly marbo it makes more sense than it being an adaptation of Heinlens book.
I always thought the Starship Troopers Mobile Infantry in the movies seemed to be getting deployed specifically to reduce human population. Their tactics were SO obviously terrible. How would you not just deploy automated gun turrets and attack gunships? Why even get on the ground with the arachnids?
The director only wanted to make an action movie with police satire because the military technology was so backwards in starship troopers. No air support except for one scene and their equipment was not even upgraded. The USMC is more advanced than the MI in the movie.
The True Marines! the rest in that vid are Nut-less, Wey-yui PMCS at... best. When shit, hit'ithe the Fan, Send in the USMC!....I'd wager that Vazquez's Ball's are bigger than those lame WTF/hammer space seamen swallowers. For the Emperor (gulp)
To be fair towards the starship trooper writer, nuclear fission and fusion are amazing scientific breakthroughs and fantastic for power generation. I’m also not a fan of how we only seem to recognize “nuclear” as “bomb” and not the amazing scientific process that is misused to make that bomb.
Alright C’mon man, the MA5B arguments aren’t really valid. So firstly, yes the MA5B is a big boy, but considering that Humanity is fighting enemies that range from 5 foot(Grunts)-To 8 foot(Elites)-To 12 Foot(Hungers) Tall and have armor and weapon advancements beyond our comprehension. It would make sense to have a, yes large and cumbersome weapon, but with so much Ammo Capacity a massive round like 7.62x51mm. I know this may not matter but, the developers weren’t looking for that “realistic” tone at the time and it was meant to be “out of this world”(Pun may or may not have been intended), and it fulfilled that. And to add upon that, You’re wrong about the MA5B’s specs in some degrees, I’m not sure of the true ranges of the rifle and what not but, to my knowledge the user usually has a HUD display reticle and the MA-series have flip up iron sights, at least later models and you definitely see that the rifle has slimmed down since the first Halo. The rifle also definitely has a single fire mode, a burst/semi-auto fire mode, and the full auto. This is confirmed in the Halo Novels, like that of The Fall Of Reach and Contact Harvest. Not to mention, in Harvest Pvt. Jenkins was hitting shots at the range at very good distances and displayed “sharpshooter” accuracy according to a commanding officer. The MA37(Halo Reach) definitely looks way more realistic and the Halo 4/5 Rifles definitely look like a better choice over the hefty MA5B. C’mon, that can’t be a con or something. and You chose the earliest version of the weapon(in terms of Halo games and the release dates). If You chose the Halo 3-5(Including Reach) rifles, you’d most likely have to find some other “problems” with it then. The MA seen in Halo 5 Is probably the best performing and realistic of the games/rifles. and you can’t factor in gameplay balancing as that’s not true to the lore. let me explain that last bit, for example, The Assault Rifle(Like The Halo 3 through Halo 5 Rifles) fire at 750- 900 rpm lore wise but in the games they fire slower than that. Relating to the stagnation of weapons technology and development, Humanity hit a point of peace for about 200 years or so when exploring and colonizing the galaxy and with that said, had no need to create more destructive weapons. And The calibers of the guns don’t really add up with performance, yea the covenants shields and armor are strong and stuff but for the most part, if you read the books(or view any other form of media, Like for instance Halo Legends) and exclude gameplay again, The weapons and Halo perform realistically(if i could say that) and do what they are supposed to do. The 7.62x51 round does a great job at taking out Grunts, Jackals, Brutes, Elites and Even Hunters(of course their backside) just exclude accuracy aside and just have the Chief making shots and he is usually able to do so without much problems. And The Sniper Rifle being the only “consistent weapon” isn’t true as, the larger caliber guns like the massive 12.7x40mm(and 12.7x30mm) M6 series pistols are very effective. And the larger 9.5x40mm rounds out of the Battle Rifle are very powerful. Thing is bigger and longer in diameter and length than a 7.62x39(AK bullet) so that should put it into perspective. The Warthog is literally just meant to appeal to use for gameplay purposes, and they are other vehicles in lore but the Warthog is meant as a Scout or Light Armored vehicle, not a main assault vehicle. And warthogs flipping over again is halo physics lol not real life. Marine armor can in lore, stop covenant weaponry, of course in certain areas. Specifically the chest plate, In lore Marines(and ODST’s) are seen many times with bullet holes, plasma scorches and burns on their armor and alive and well.
Fuze Halo’s MA rifle series with 7.62mm rounds designed towards heftier covenant (or flood) threats reminds me of modern US military’s current attempt in designing rifles with next gen 6.8mm rounds. Designed for overcoming armor and all.
Fuze They litteraly overestimated by miles imperial lasgun capacity as well. And I correct you on one thing. Bungie was not overlooking realism. They had purposely design humanity with weapon like our to increase the sensation of a desparate battle. If a spartan shield has a realistical resistance (considering the energy that emit in his surface), you would need HUNDREDS of rifle shot or 2-3 direct shot from a Scorpion tank only to bypass the shield. They are that absurd. If covenant elites only have half of that shield they should be unstoppable unless you use covenant weapon. If you take the forerunner book, well... forerunner soldier and vehicle should be impervious to human tech...
not to mention that the MA5B actually looks about the same length as an M16 when held next to a Marine in-game. Maybe a bit shorter, but still, combined with the Korobov TKB022-type action that means it has a barrel length of over 20", which means a patently ridiculous muzzle velocity. That and the biggest part is a removable electronics package that interfaces with the HUD eyepiece on the Marines helmet and allows it to share targeting and tactical information between troops. It's a miracle it's as small and streamlined as it is when you look at the Future Warrior program that tried to do the same thing IRL.
Instead of being the worst, if Starship Troopers rating was based on the Mobile Infantry from the book instead of the movie, they might have been in second place instead (after the IG 40K). The MI from the book were truly mobile, well armed and armored with awesome power armor, and one of them could likely take out 12 bugs. The MI from the movie weren’t mobile, were armed with bad weapons and armor no better than modern day weapons and armor (other than the mini-nukes), and it took 12 of them to take down one bug. While I love both the movie and the book, the movie is only loosely based on the book to the point that most of the flaws ended up being from the weaker movie MI and most of the benefits were from the OP book MI. Basically, the MI from the book are an elite force while the MI from the movie are almost like expendable cannon fodder.
I wish that when the North Koreans launched a cyber attack on Hollywood a few years back they would have wiped all existence of the movie Starship Troopers. What a deplorable celluloid interpretation of a great book.
Travis Cooper At least it’s wasn’t quite as bad as the movie adaptation of “I Robot” with Will Smith, but other than with very basic plot points and similarly named characters I will agree it was a poor movie adaptation of the book. Still a fun but dumb movie, but one where it seemed like the studio wanted to retain rights to “Starship Troopers” so they took a script that was about fighting giant bugs in space that was “close enough” and changed the names to protect the guilty.
I am happy simply because you guys actually pointed out correctly something almost every content creator get wrong about Starship Troopers society. Service in the military is not the only way to obtain citizenship. So many creators think it is when they make videos of the universe and that shows they either didn't do enough research on one of the biggest factors of the Federation, Or they don't care.
It's something that happens in a few other series too like "OMG we only see the military this society is dominated by the military and nothing else!" Like...dude. Our only POV character is in the military. That's why they're surrounded by military stuff so often.
A Sargent in the Imperium of Man looking out upon a vast horde of Clone Troopers backed with SPARTAN special forces .... "Now here we have cannon fodder a plenty ...." he remarks.
The M35 "M-Galaxy" Lasgun(standard issue) is capable of blasting humans limbs off with one shot and piercing space marine armor (usually through weak but still impressive)it also never jams can act as a frag grenade if needed and can mount a bayonet it is weak in universe not compared to any of the standard weapons used by most of these armies The imperial guard also deploys multiple regiments at once since each regiment has an ideal form of combat(catachans jungle fighters are experts of guerrilla warfare individual fighters have killed carnifexes, lictors, warbosses, etc) that way each regiment can cover their flaws a deployment of catachans and kriegsmen will overpower the clones easily as the mechanized trench warfare of the death korps will outlast any clone emplacements and the catachans would be able assassinate and sabotage any key units or facilities granted the imperial guard would suffer higher casualties but seeing as there’s about 30 trillion total guardsmen a couple million dead means very little in the long run Also the imperial guard doesn’t have worse technology just limited tech this is important to understand because a leman russ spearhead with nova cannons will shred any armor like paper All of this is ignoring the imperial guard aren’t space marines I know why you left out the adeptus astartes but there’s also the tempestus scions which are space marines specifically highly trained imperial guardsmen with better armor and guns Also psykers are strong enough to kill jedi(they might perils in the process but that’s why you have a commissar nearby) so enemy morale will drop quick if these guys are deployed At the end of the day 40k will almost always be on top in the case of sci-fi factions(unless we’re talking Cthulhu level armies in which case only war in heaven armies can compare) due to the absurd scale and bs power 40k factions have that’s part of its appeal the best way I’ve heard 40k described is if a universe was designed by a bunch of “no my guy has a bulletproof force field” kids(we all know the type) which ends up making any comparison of other sci-fi universes pretty anticlimactic and mildly infuriating I was introduced to 40k through one of these debates I know the answer unfortunately
@@robzilla730 Combine an eight foot tall seven hundred pound heavily augmented super soldier and a set of Ceramite power armor. And you have one of my Astartes.
Counterpoint to the Clone Trooper lifespan: Pretty sure they weren't meant to survive to see old age. One huge push to take over and then they're disposable, which is a lot easier to do when they've been raised to do nothing but follow orders.
I find this hard to take serious when the neglect to include the most bad ass dudes in Sci-Fi, the Adeptus Astarties. Like they're literally called Space Marines.
Im guessing this is a #2 runner up because Astartes are extremely overpowered and would easily kill whole battalions of regular starwars troopers or the colonial marines from alien single handed
Adaptus Astartes are not your average solider to begin with. Heavily Bio-Engineered, placed in over-powered mech-suits, and their weapons are more at home on assault tanks than in standard soldiery. The video was clearly matching up normal human soldiers, rather than superhuman fighters. My one complaint is that they didn't include Terran Marines from Starcraft.
@The one and only exotic Butters they are on paar with the clones. both are genetically engeniered to be better soldiers. the fact that one is actualy called "space marine" while the other is just called "clone trooper" counters the fact that the space marines are more capable then what you would expect from a normal marine. they deserve as much as the clones to be on here. the reason why they arent is because it makes it less interesting, having one clearly strongest participant. not because of any major disqualifying factors.
@@markclay1813 No they don't. The average Rakatan soldier is practically a Jedi, and they have endless fleets of warships and war droids that can easily be replicated by the Star Forge. They also Exterminatus any planet that gives them shit. So basically, they're far more powerful than the 40K Imperium is. And Halo practically lets you eradicate every life form in the galaxy with the push of a button, so that's a threshold 40K hasn't ever reached. Saying that 40K is the strongest is like saying that Superman is the strongest Superhero while ignoring the likes of Dr. Manhattan and the Spectre who could kill him with a glare.
@@HolyknightVader999 Necrons are able to separate reality and dimensions from one another, have a map that they can make sun's supernova for fun, create black holes, then the C'tan can destroy whole solar systems with ease, take a universal powered weapon and survive. Forerunner would beat the Imperium for sure. However Necrons during the War in Heaven, Eldar during the second War in Heaven, or even DAOT humanity could beat Forerunner empire.
@1:11:00 fact check the AK-47 was not chambered in 7.62 NATO. It was only fairly recently that we got an AKM rifle chambered in 7.62 NATO. Secondary issue 7.62x51 chambered battle rifles aren't favored purely for their increased effectiveness against armor, they're bigger selling point is actually they're greater effectiveness at increased range over 5.56x45 or 7.62x39 weapons. While the M85b is undeniably chunky for a light infantry weapon it does have two huge advantages over modern weapons using the 762x51 cartridge. Even when fired fully automatic the M85b has negligible recoil, and it can be fired cyclically for indefinite periods of time without overheating. Also there's the lack of hot gas escaping from the ejection port, that's a huge improvement for a bullpup.
1:59 Why has no one ever noticed in Attack of the Clones that when the clones are eating in the cafeteria, that they're all eating non existent food and drink?
Don't know if you have had these offered for you to look at, but you could take a look at the CoDominium Marines from Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle's "Future History" works. An indication of what they are like: the CD Marines, especially the Line Marines, are descended mainly from the French Foreign Legion, and have preserved many of their traditions and attitudes.
@@HolyknightVader999 and how long was Clones there? Ya like 10 years. The rest was the Jedi and different armies. Also they would be slaughtered if fighting Orks in the Trillions, Hive fleets in the Billions per fleet, Necrons who even make the Imperium shit its pants, Chaos Hordes that wreck entire systems. Only against the small in number Tau and Eldar would the Republic have a chance.
@@eichler721 even then both the eldar and dark eldar would out maneuver them to ridiculiosu degrees given their literal milenia of experience, their far seers literaly predicting the future, and their web way networks.
Retirement????
Space Marines don't retire
"What is your Duty?"
To serve the Emperor's Will!
"What is the Emperor's Will?"
That we fight and die!
"What is Death?"
It is our Duty!
"What is your Duty?"
To serve the Emperor's Will!
A few marines have retired though. Once was a Soul Drink and he was so old that he had to have Special exoskeleton just to stand. Another was a Salamander and he kinda fused with his seat after waiting 10k years
@@Wolfstanus these retied marines are traitors and heretics except the salamander he's probably a dreadnought now
@@darthcalyx8986 Nope read Soul Drinkers Novels. The Salamander was given The Emperors peace and the rest of the Salamanders took the wargear he was guarding
Retired Space Marine? Oh! You mean a Dreadnaught?
@@iainhowe4561 They are still serving so not retired
Star Trek: We use Warp Drives.
Star Wars: We use Hyperdrives.
Stargate: We use Stargates.
Battlestar Galactica: We use Jump Drives.
WARHAMMER 40K: WE FLY THROUGH SUPER HELL.
"Star Trek: Se use Warp Drives." - a bit like the Tau use for warp drives, just skim the surface, nice and safe. Well until the 4th expansion Fleet anyway. Could also explain the time traveling and dimension jumping you see in Star Trek. There being trolled by the Changling dressed up as 'Q'. :)
fun fact that mean warhammer 40k warp doesn't fonction in any other universe since it basicly doesn't exist
Stargate Uses Hyperdive for most ships, and super stargates for specific transit points, similar to mass drivers in mass effect. Stargates themselves are for the small ground-based planet to planet travel.
@@Col00Hague En la serie Stargate se parece mucho a la forma que usa los eldar. no crees?
Warhammer we fly through super hell protected by the mind of our immortal god emperor FOR THE EMPEROR DEATH TO THE HERETICS
Clone Troopers (Star Wars) - 0:37
Mobile Infantry (Starship Troopers) - 23:04
United States Colonial Marine Corps (ridley scott alien franchise) - 45:10
UNSC Marines (Halo) - 1:07:39
RDA Troops (Avatar) - 1:28:06
Imperial Guard (W40k) - 1:40:22
Thanks
Thank you
Ty
Thanks was excited to see 40k
Emperor protects, brother 🙏
*Sees Imperial Guard used as Space Marines*
"If such is the Emperor's will..."
Michael VPS it would be unfair if the Holy Emperors glorious Spess Mahrenes took the field
They're still better than the roided up psychopathic toddlers.
@@latamace7833 But this video is about space marines....so take it on the chin or something like that.
@@latamace7833 we had to give em a chance, well as much of a chance you have against the Hammer of the Imperium.
To be fair the Imperial Guard is what really holds the line against the enemies of mankind.
“You have the ethical issue of sending nine year olds into battle...”
*Laughs in UNSC*
Now technically that was ONI, and they only sent 12 year old's into battle. It's what they did *beforehand* that's 100% deplorable
The whole Spartan 2 program was all done in secret even from most of the UNSC government and military and as soon as details about the stolen children came to light Dr. Halsey was charged and jailed.
“You have the ethical issue of sending nine year olds into battle...”
Kids on a common lower or Underhive city: "are we a Joke to you?"
Kids on a Deathworld: "cute"
@@jasonbentley6559 well technically, she almost was. she was charged, but never jailed cause prometheans.
pewdiepie: Nine Year Old Army!
This is a 2 hour video that could be summed up in once sentence.
40k wins.
Gangsta until Lensmen threw a planet-sized bomb at 40K...
Except they didn't. The Clone Troopers won (see 2:04:15).
@@patrick_j_lee
To be honest, I do think the Clone troopers were very underrated, and I do think they are a much better fighting group than Imperial guardsmen.
@@陳潔明-w6y Depends on the Guardsman. But SPACE MARINES, are sure as shit way better than a clone trooper.
@@Dodsodalo
Yep, can't argue one of the upper tiers of the super soldier category...
If you want to go up, there would only be people using hax...
"When I joined the Corps, we didn't have any fancy schmancy tanks. We had sticks! Two sticks, and a rock for the whole platoon and we had to share the rock! Buck up, boy, you are one very lucky marine!"
Godspeed you magnificent bastard
ONI kidnapped me as a child
Our big green style can not be defeated!
Master Chief you’re supposed to be finishing the fight, shoo.
OORAH! In the name of Earth and all her colonies, i gift thee split chin buggers with a 7.62mm round flying at 800 meters per second. Choke on that.
Little thing about orc in warhammer: they don't have a symbiotic relationship with fungi, they are fungi.
IZ ORKZ YE GIT
*they are fun guys
Lol
depends on the version of the game, it has evolved.....
doesnt change what they are now.
The imperial guard unit they talked about has been fighting this on going war for 57 years. Like any of the other battle groups have had to fight anything like that long. Cadia Stands
THE PLANET BROKE BEFORE THE GUARD!
The planet broke the guard did not.
every time he says "god-king" instead of "god emperor" my eye twitches
Mine aswell brother.
@@newatlantic7228 lmao
*INQUISITION INTENSIFIES*
Did he say Earth instead of Holy Terra? If he did then we can confirm his heresy
Yeah I wanna strangle whoever wrote this script you can tell they're trying to cash in on a community they know nothing about. I haven't finished the video but if space marines lose than imma unsubscribe because it would just go to show how disingenuous they. What pisses me off most of all is that they keep calling the imperium the empire.
When the imperial guard finally gets some credit.
Laughs in Krieg
Death to the false emperor!
@@littlegreenhelmetboi4148 seductively sharpens shovel
Kishin Asura that’s awfully subjective to slaneshi heresy guardsman
@@littlegreenhelmetboi4148 no it's bait to lure in heretics
The clone And stormtrooper armor was pretty good at absorbing Lasers the reason why they fall After one blast is the heat that knocks them out and doesnt kill them
Except Star Wars uses blasters (charged particle weapons), not lasers. You're on the right track, though; the electromagnetic envelope that contains the plasma in the blaster bolt acts as a sort of neurological EMP to render the target unconscious.
@@GearranYou're telling me those blasters straight up shortcircuit people into a KO? Pretty nuts! Makes a lot of sense that they can set them to stun then.
@@kirbyis4ever at the very start of Episode IV you can see some KOed stormtroopers moving and being helped by their comrades to get back up before Darth Vader makes his entrance
The amount of heresy in this video is almost overwhelming.
You do realize that the book that those Ecclesiarchy fuckers love, ya know the one that proclaims me a god. It was written by Lorgar, the primarch who convinced Horus to be an edgelord and start worshipping those four chaos fuckers.
@@Daemon__Sultanah PEAISE BE TO THE MAN EMPEROR OF MANKIND!!!!!!!!
I pray to our God Emperor generation tech sees his light.
get the flamer brother, burn them in holy fire
It is forgive, for the pure unbridled hatred towards the xeno is commendable.
The adeptus astartes from warhammer 40k.
They are just SO over the top.
Fighting a marine in his armour is like throwing a infant to a bunch of angry bears.
Ariel Nir they at least could have had Catachan Jungle fighters..a bunch of Rambos & Dutch
Well there kinda like Spartans but with worse armor
Saiyans and Frieza's soldiers would destroy them easily.
It's warhammer 40k
@@axza9590 they demolish spartans in open combat
No seriusly unless the spartans bring spartan lasers they dont have any hope to for them to bring down and a states but the startes canjus shoot a magazine in their general direccion and the apartan will probably die.
The armor of most infantry units may be lacking in protective capabilities but it usually looks awesome.
Everyone is Gangster till the Space Marines from 40k apear.
Save for the Ghost Bear Elementals.
@@Aliexster Nah. They'd be fine against Ghost Bear Elementals. They could casually kill them.
The Emperor loves you!
then there all dead for heresy. speaking of which you are sentenced to death for miss-information. there called guardsmen, not space marines. the space marines are close to immortal superhumans
@@SomeGuy-qh6rw HERESY!
"They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear."
Oh a fellow krieg enjoyer
The emprah bless ya.
I like to think that the Clone looking up at the Kaminoans at 2:04 with that disgusted look on his face is Sgt. Slick while he was still in training. Like he already realized he hated what they created him for, and it was just a matter of time until he tried to find a way out.
As Napoleon said "I'd rather have an army of rabbits led by a lion then an army of lions led by a rabbit..."
And I'd rather have an army of humans led by a human.
Ok everyone whose ever said something along those lines are all paraphrasing Alexander the great's original "I am not afraid of an army of lions led by a sheep, I am afraid of an army of sheep led by lion."
Yea, I know its a smart way of looking at th innings bc a great soldier might not be able to overcome poor leadership.... that's why I said it
If a rabbit (or sheep) managed to lead an army of lions I'd be worried.
Benjamin Holcomb yeah if that sheep/rabbit manage to to lead lions then that's one fucking badass sheep/rabbit!
As much as I love the Imperial Guard, I wouldn't consider them part of the "space marines" level of the other armies in this video. It would be like comparing the Imperial Army to the Stormtrooper Corps in Star Wars. Then again, comparing any of these other armies to the Adeptus Astartes, would be like comparing NBA pros to a grade school basketball team.
The thing is, there are actual marine forces in the Astra Militarum, BUT OF COURSE they used the actual standing army information and thus that made them the #1 pick for having things they actually didn't
@Rohit Thaosen Karskins are more Force Recon, Army Rangers or paratroopers and Tempestus Scions don't really have an equivalent because they are effectively the Spanish Inquisition if they had laser cannons and competence
Planet broke before they did
Can any of these other factions hold a candle to the guard tho?
@@Sigma-gb9yd jup. The Elysian Drop Troopers and the Harakoni Warhawks are more along the lines of actual marines.
“The USCMC is terribly mismanaged. For example, sending a lieutenant with no combat experience on a potentially deadly mission and putting him in charge.”
Son, let me tell you a few stories about the US military.
My thought exactly
That still doesnt make it a good tactic idiot
almost no such thing as an experienced LT unless you are in time of war and no officers are getting out.
Clone troopers:
4.414
Starship troopers:
2.655
Colonial Marines:
2.735
UNSC Marines:
3.955
Marines (Avatar):
3.115
Imperial guard:
4.353
Thank you
@@ThatOneGuy-iv9sn no problem :)
Perfect
what's this?
@@davidegaribaldi1503 artificial vita wombs producing them like ammo on a factory line basically.
"Why the hell send your messages and ships through what is essentially a gateway to hell continuously for thousands of years?"
We can thank Magnus for that. The Imperial Webway project was supposed to remove humanity's reliance on warp travel but Magnus wrecked the thing.
We can thank the Emperor for that, as he should have told THE SECOND BEST PSYKER IN THE IMPERIUM why you don't go opening holes in the warp for ANY REASON
Magnus did nothing wrong!
Magnus did nothing wrong.
*cackles in gibbering incoherence*
messages are not send by ship, are send by psikers called astropaths
@@lordyamilov That's the same logic as saying you don't send messages between ships but between radios on said ships
John Ringo had a good take on XT combat. His series on the Posleen Wars is one of the best military sci-fi epics I've ever read. He's ex 82nd so understands the military world view.
It's really unfortunate that - in my opinion at least - Ringo has a hard time keeping a series interesting after about 2, MAYBE 3 books. The Posleen, Troy Rising, and Into the Looking Glass were all ones where I RELLY enjoyed the first book, was meh on the second, and didn't bother to pick up the third (well, for the Posleen I picked up Watch on the Rhine, but really didn't like how it portrayed the former SS guys).
The best space marines are THE SPESS MEHRENS!
BROTHER! MAY THE EMPEROR PROTECT YOU. YOU SPEAK THE TRUTH. (you gotta love saying that in a fanatical voice)
BY THE WILL OF THE EMPEROR HIS GLORY KNOWS NO END. FOR THE ASTARTES BROTHER.
@@marcelmartinez972 THE EMPORER PROTECTS!
@@TheBobbytables YES BROTHER
@@TheBobbytables RIGHTLY SAID, HONOURABLE BATTLE-BROTHER!
Power level is a little high for "space marines" (Star Wars Clone Troopers) who were only utilized for 13 years whereas the Guard have been holding the line for 10,000 years.
uhh... no, Space marines have been a thing for well over 10k years and the guard was made when the Emperor of mankind needed a defense force to protect Imperial planets while the Space marines were away conquering more planets.
The Space Marines or their Earliest form, the Thunder Warriors are what the Emperor used to conquer the warring tribes of earth with. So The Emperor built the space marines and used the Crusade Power armor to Establish his Imperium, so they were there at the beginning of the Imperium.
@@kadingirlycaon6682 angry ghost I am using the term Space Marine as used in the video. Not about the Adeptus Astartes. Of all the "space marines" listed the Clone Troopers came in at #1 with a power level of 4.4ish and the Astra Militarum were just behind at 4.3ish. The Clones were only used for 13 years at the start of the Clone wars and a couple years into the reign of the Galactic Empire. The Astra Militarum have held the line for a thousand times that. Their weapons, armor and vehicles far surpass that of the GAR (grand army of the republic).
they old the lines for 10000 years yes but they get replaced more faster than clones and its ridiculous XDDDDD
@@TheMegamyGamer clones only had to face droids and some humanoid alien creatures. The boys who fought on felucia have my respect but overall they just have poor tactics (Jedi had no real combat experience), slow weapons (blaster bolts are low velocity) and their vehicles (aside from the turbo tank) are awful.
Kinda sad that Aliance Navy from Mass Effect, or X-Com are not included. By my opinion, those are some of the most underrated military forces in sci-fi.
I agree. I would like to see them do Mass effect.
X-Com is actually terrifying in how fast they can adopt new equipment and change their tactics to face the aliens. Definitely underrated
These guys are basic bitches
and not to forget Star craft. Also pretty badass
Best space marines in fiction, forgets about the Astartes, wew just wew
Science fiction not space fantasy.
Totally different genres.
It's like comparing Star Trek and Star Wars.
Star Trek is sci fi, Star Wars is space fantasy.
@@h347h The imperial guard were in the video, they are in the same universe as the Astartes.
@@BringDHouseDown Because it has nothing to do with science. It's a fantasy story set in space.
h347h Star Trek is still a fantasy too.
@@h347h h347h Technobabble doesn't make a setting hard sci-fi. There was a moment when Spock sensed death of hundreds of Vulcans over interstellar distance, and that alone should put Star Trek in space fantasy list. 'cause it's magic, plain and simple. There were multiple cases of psychokinesis either. Number of physics laws are circumvented or ignored in Star Trek, and when explanation is given, its kinda bullshit. It's space fantasy too, trying hard to look like sci-fi.
Want to see sci-fi? Watch Expanse. Or Altered Carbon.
In the novel, the mobile infantry equipped each soldier with what amounts to a Gundam with multiple pocket nukes. Might make a subtle difference..
The guerilla suits didn't get anywhere near the respect they deserved
the novel is a different universe altogether, even the alien planets are mega-industrialized urban capitals. the best part about the movies is that their parodies of the world built in the books and is a "what this would look like in real life" and not some 1930's fascist writers utopia
(Edit: For those who don't know of course)
The Novel is a complete 360 from the films in almost every way, it's actually kind of insane. The book is a political bit about a guys utopian fantasy, throwing Communism under the bus by name, no such thought was behind the film, sad.
Most of the book is also about Juan’s journey, military culture and fascist government, there’s only a few relatively short combat sequences and they’re not anything like the movie.
I love both versions but for VERY different reasons.
Anybody read stranger in a strange land?
and they looked like gorillas, plus could still gently pick up an egg! with proper training of course.
@25:44 Showering together can also be seen as a sign of being mature enough to keep their urges under control too. In Europe, we have many mixed dressing rooms and showers (at saunas for instance). Most of us have no issues with being naked around friends or strangers. 😀
They mention Space Marines, but they use Imperial Guards......REQUESTING EXTERMINATUS
If they used actual space marines they would overshadow all the others... also the weakest astra militarum force surpasses modern navy seals in every way you could think of
The Video is literally says “space marines” then ignores the 40k Space Marines and talks about the Imperial Guard instead. Very bizarre. Its like talking about best
superhero characters and ignoring Batman.
I think their excluding super soldiers
Imperial Guardsmen still wreck the shit
He wanted to give the other franchises a chance. No one can beat a 40k Space Marine.
@@Raphael_Bizmann nah.
They also forget the imperial guard are not space marines there not marines in general the key word being GUARD 😂😂😂
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Personal honorable mention: The Wild Cards from *Space: Above and Beyond* .
Five Eights. All the Way.
@@soumyajyotimukherjee4752 Ay Oh Let's Go Ay Oh Let's Go
Easy as eating pan-cakes.
This video isn't even legitimate without the Wild Cards.
Thank you
I feel like the helmet thing with Rico is a bit overestimated. Yes he took it off the guy during a live fire exercise, but iirc it was because the guy couldn't see, and they weren't in a spot that enemy fire was likely to hit them. Then the person on their own side falls and fires their gun wildly, and shoots him in the face. And that shot in the face hit his eye, which wasn't protected by the helmet.
Ricochet or Spalding would have literally made his head look like ground beef, prego, and broken porcelain. Rico just might have given the man a far less humiliating death by getting him to take his helmet off.
The problem wasn't if the guy has on a helmet or not. The problem was that Rico lost focus on the exercise and the cohesion in the unit fel apart. He was put in charge, and he got punished.
Valid points around however andreas kur’s was the definitive one
Right unfortunately yet again this channel fails ...mentions the marines from Starship Troopers and calls the video Best Space Marines in science fiction but misses the damn point that the marines in the fcuking book had fusion powered armour,jump jets,missile launchers,energy weapons and carried battlefield nukes...
@@wildfire160 Hypnotic training and commands as well. One man covered miles of the battlefield and they had three types of power armor.
If the bugs don't get them, Me Too will is the most underrated joke of all time
Sees best space marine in sci fi:
Any Warhammer 40k fan: This isn't even a contest.
But seriously, why is the James Cameron avatar here? They're military contractors.
Well in 40K they are all augmented to unrealistically high degree. So for that's disqualifier.
To be fair, Space Marines aren't even half as tough as Krieger, nor as brave as a Cadian. During the siege of Vraks, Kriegers saved a bunch of Space Marines and Inquisitors from a demonic ambush.
@@lordcastellan4735 Um I'm calling some grade A bullshit on the first two. What chapter were the Marines from, since I'd like a look at that myself before making a call on that. But I so very highly doubt that.
@@queennidus2249 Can't come up with your own insults? And most guardsmen don't join up willingly, they're conscripted. And you can fuck right off with astartes not caring, especially since the salamanders exist. I'd rather be an astartes any day, especially since they can actually think for themselves rather than be simple minded ecchlesiarchal puppets. Every time they say "for the god emperor" that's just another middle finger to their God. And you're calling the emperor a mutant. The SMs were based off primarchs, who were in turn based off the emperor himself.
@@queennidus2249 I'm not actually the biggest fan of them. And I personally think they are given the wulfen exist jackass. Although I do like how they repeatedly show the Inquisition where they can fuck off on multiple occasions when it counts. Like the 2nd war for Armageddon. Your guardsmen wouldn't have survived that without the wolves. So other than uncalled for insults, anything else here? You accuse me of being a toxic fan, but you started the petty bullshit first
As much as I love Star Wars, the Astartes are literally the grandchildren of a GOD-LIKE BEING (who then became an *actual* god) they are gigantic beasts with the best armor mankind can offer, the best weapons it can offer, their minds are incredibly powerful, and their tactics were written by Rowboat Girlyman (Papa Smurf) or their respective Primarchs. An Astartes could snap all of these space marines backs with ease. There’s a clear reason why they weren’t on this list.
Even without their armor an Astartes is pretty resistant to most damage, they are constantly fighting literal hell with the two sides of races created specifically as weapons for war (eldar/orcs) anyone whos says "well their armor is weak to this" or "well this entire chapter was ripped apart" put in perspective the horrific existence that is the 40k universe.
"Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods"
yes the clear reason is that despite being called space marines they serve a completely different purpose than all of the other space marines and thus are incomparable
In 40k everybody uses armies of thousands, millions or billions while space marines deploy on units of 100 or less
@@nahuelleandroarroyo which tbh is a continuous trend of GW writers failing to understand scale. I literally read in my 9th edition space marine codex that a company (so at max 100 marines) of imperial fists held TEN mega fortress complexes. So maybe 10 marines per fortress? I can’t see that being very much of help in a fortress that’s probably the size of a hive city.
@@hansstrudel9614 Probably with the help of their chapter serfs and other local militia.
Chapter serfs usually help out in defence missions such as guarding their forward base, voidships, and fortress monastary but they don't use them in offensive missions cause they can't keep up.
Is it illegal? Yes and no, they're technically still part of a space marine chapter however.
Good points overall, but the M56 smart gun is not a stupid weapon. The harness and HUD allow it to be used from the hip. Though it is a long weapon, they wear it with the center of the gun at their hip. This makes it able to pivot at sharper angles than a shoulder fired rifle, thus reducing its clunkieness. Not only that but from the looks of it, the mechanical arms seem to redistribute the weight to the body to the harness, there by balancing the weight on the marines center of gravity. As someone that has worked in a stock room, I can tell you balancing heavy objects, like on my shoulder, greatly reduces the strain of toting it around.
James Cameron is not a perfect man, but he is the Maestro when it comes to sci-fi tech.
*Me seeing the thumbnail as a halo nerd* : hEy ThAtS nOt A mArInE! ThAtS aN aRmY TrOoPeR.
The one to the left is a UNSC Marine
Why hello trooper
"laughting in warhammerian" excuse me sir, even Kriegsman are more Space Marines than those pity clones.
Ordo VRtus unsc marines aren’t clones tho
@@sillylittleowlguy2392 they are F.D.P. with acces to space. No more.
"In the warhamer 40k universe, there is no such thing as hope. The individual has no worth and there is no greater future for a man than service to the imperium" *loyalty to the throne intensifies*
Ave Imperator!
The planet krieg has called. They have a sign on bonus for you, dying your first deployment, and a strong potential of executing a commissar for cowardice. Keep your slate close in case your contract comes through the astropathic vine
GOOD, THAT'S HOW I LIKE IT
“Clips” no, no, no...”Magazines” Please don’t ruin the amount of work you’ve done by overlooking this. There is a difference. I’m still binging on your videos. You have some amazing uploads.
Literally nobody cares.
Note: 40k Space Marines not included as they would put everyone else to shame.
They didnt need to be here as the guard can already put every other scifi army to shame. Even space marines could never win against the guard as they have such a large number advantage and balls of steel
@@Jebu911 Sly Marbo ... just ... Sly Marbo
@@raymondd7245 sly and..... maybe 2 space marines as ammo carriers would take out every scify universes entire armies all put together
Wrong everyone knows MASS EFFECT N7 is the best
@@Jebu911 legion of damned starts appearing with their unlimited mags and did i mention they are literally unkillable until their job is done
the inquisition wants your location for "questioning"
"Advanced interrogation"
If there's no 40K did you even have a discussion about Space Marines . You are the Erebus of the internet
If only the norimes knew how powerful the Imperial Guard really is, then they would have definitely won.
They could have also used actual "Space Marines" for thier Space Marines list.....
Ssiiiiigghhhh for example:
Star Wars Clone Troopers: How are they "Space Marines" when they call themselves The Grand ARMY of The Republic!!??
Starship Troopers: How are they Space Marines when they call themselves TROOPERS. That's an army term. From back. When armies used Calvary they were called cav Troopers. They use Army ranks in the book and movie! Sergeant 1st Class is an Army rank! If they were Marines, he'd be called a gunnery sergeant! The military space stations in starship Troopers are called FORTS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!! Siiiggghhh, civilians throwing around the word "Marine" because they think it "sounds cool" 🙄🙄🙄
@@madkabal Within the clone troopers there is a section called the Galactic Marines which morphed into a special section of Storm Troopers during the Empire. On that sort of basis you could consider the Clone Troopers and Stormtroopers to be basically Space Marines. There are a lot of older EU sources where Stormtroopers so exactly what the term Space Marine means.
The Space Marines of 40K are literally called Space Marines but are far off what the rest of these military groups are. I'd say most of the Imperial Guard are not at all Space Marines and that Storm Trooper specific divisions are the most appropriate group to use but Imperial Navy Ratings officers are the actual space marines of 40k.
@@madkabal I believe the unit we follow in the Starship troopers is the mobile infantry which function a lot like marines
Now listen up! Back in my day, we didn't have fancy tanks! We had sticks! Two sticks and a rock for the entire platoon! And we had to share the rock!
you should consider yourself very lucky marine
Godspeed you magnificent bastard
Wait a minute. You put İmperial Guard while there is another group literally called Space Marines.
Title of video: Best Space Marines in Science Fiction | Mega Video
Comes to warhammer: "So they got guys called the Imperial Guard, and they got guys called SPACE MARINES, which should we use for our SPACE MARINE comparison? Imperial Guard, got it."
This whole list just became invalid.
I realize they probably chose the Imperial Guard so the other factions at least have a chance. But if thats the case, it should not be a list of SPACE MARINES. Call it a list of Sci-Fi armies/soldiers or something.
Heresy.
To be fair, Space Marines are less like marines or soldiers, but more special forces like the German GSG9 or the US SOF when compared to modern military.
cringe
@@thyrussendria8198 special forces?
You mean Officio assassinorum, Grey Knights and Adeptus Custodes(this guys could make a space marine look like a imperial guardsman)?
@@thyrussendria8198 Well yes but no.
Go cry in your hole fanboy.
The planet broke before the guard!!
'there is no standard uniform or armour being produced in a central forgeworld'.......me casually looking at Cadian/Cadian style regiments basically forming 'the look' of the Astra Militarum
40K so powerful that the regular army wins in a mix universe Space marine battle...
While the holy Astartes are fighting real threats ;)
We're not talking about pure vs here, it was about efficiency. But of course all the hordes of sweaty 40k came and voted their precious universe up into oblivion. If we were to talk about pure power, the forerunners from halo or the dalek from dr.who would EAT the enitre 40k universe, let alone the imperium of man.
Nah the Custodes are fighting the real battle.
How much oil shall we lather on our skin to rub upon the holy emperor this century?
@@me67galaxylife aren’t daliks and forerunners a race? I don’t know much about forerunners except that they are like gods or something as powerful. And daliks are… like Darth Vader if he was indestructible, and had instant death lazors and couldn’t go up stairs. Except for the legged daliks.
Either way it doesn’t really matter. I’m sure could beat Space Marines. But… didn’t both of those examples go extinct? Doesn’t sound like they are gonna be very good at this point in time…
Also… neither are marines of the space variety.
Now I kinda want to watch doctor who again.
And you talk about the sweaty hordes of 40k fans upvoting their fandom. But star wars won. Which is known as the largest fandom. So go be mad at stormtrooper.
Also notice how I didn’t argue with the sweaty part. That part is 100% true.
@@Zyrdalf Forerunners are from halo and predate the events of the games, where they are extinct. Their basic units are capable of destroying a continent and they had thousands of ships, every single one of them having the power to wipe an imperium flagship in the blink of an eye; and controlled by god-like super smart IAs.
Daleks are from Dr.Who and have nothing to do with darth vader, they ressemble an inverted trash can and are inherently against any life form that isn't a dalek. A single dalek is crazy strong but it doesn't even matter :
They have near instant ftl, can destroy planets and stars with their basic ships. They also get ressources by literally "hacking" it into the universe (not really but that's to explain it simply) They have also been shown to replicate themselves enough to block time travel and can even destroy the Tardis itself which can survive the big bang. They're just on a whole other level.
@@me67galaxylife so I was basically correct? Forerunners sound like they would be way more powerful then a Space Mario. And Daliks don’t really sound like they are marines.
Thanks for informing me about them!
Also, they both go extinct right?
The Forerunners die from a little zombie bugs. And Daliks kind of lost… a war? And a bunch of other times to a guy with a screwdriver. I remember the episode where thousands of them come out of a flying coffin or something. Still lost.
Far as I know Space Marines basically already are fighting things much worse then the flood. And spice marines deal with timey whimey all the timey. But could probably lose to screwdriver guy just because his ship is ultramarine colored. Pretty sure blue just makes you op in 40k.
'if the bugs don't get them, me too will"
Real talk.
For halo I believe that they did reverse engineer plasma weapons, however they did not have the certain type of resources needed to actually produce them.
All right sweethearts, you heard the man and you know the drill.
A**holes and elbows!
Allen, come here!
Come *here*!
Allen: "Fxxx u I quit!"
Ripley: (driving exosuit) "Where do you want it?" 😏
Apone (?) : "Bay twelve, please." 😀
"A day in the corps is like a day on the farm. Every meal a banquet! Every paycheck a fortune. Every formation a parade. I love the corps!"
*LESBIAN SUPERPOWERS*
"Hey Vasquez, do you ever mistaken for a man?"
"Do you?"
Burrrrrnnnnnn
...I'm pretty certain the quotes are:
_Have you ever been mistaken for a man?_
_Have you?_
Hicks: Hey vasquez you ever been mistaken for a man?
Vasquez: no. Have you?
Sorry. Hudson*
@@alphaomega9740"It's Hudson, sir. He's Hicks" :)
1:43:09 the Astra militarum use feudal tech (shows a 30k era mechanicus tech thrall with las lock which eats 40k standard infantry tec alive)
Me: watching this video to know who to recruit for killing aliens
Aliens:here we go again
I was ordered to watch this by my commisar under penalty of death
I was just peeling patatos
A loyalist of my heart
Still alive Guardsmen?
Your local inquisitor wants to know your Commissars location for making you watch this heresy.
@@chaos7535 why did you have to say heresy? Now we gotta purge the entire comment section again.
I would argue that the clone troopers being born and raised by the same people who train them for war is similar to the Spartan method training in which every male child was property of the state and raised first and foremost to be a soldier in the army. The difference is, the Spartans also learned enough letters, numbers, and, if necessary, statecraft that they could continue to function if they lived long enough to retire from the army. Clones, between the commission of the GAR and their short lifespans, were going to die young even if they survived the war.
Goes to show how close it is between the Clone Troopers and the Imperial Guard, I like the Guard better just for the fact that they had seen the worst, Clone Trooper had mostly fought either humanoids or droid enemies, you take some Imperial Guard in the star wars universe and fought what the Clones fought, a Guardsman will be thinking "Wait, since when we get breaks in a war?"
its because the military structure in star wars actually care about his recruits and also because star wars the threat are not ridiculously high, but also star wars universe show us that you don't need to be good in melee for win, in warhammer the perfect exemple are the tau, so yeah if the imperium want to invade the star wars universe i will say good luck, it will not be easy as they think
@@TheMegamyGamer in the 40k universe penal legions are walked into minefields to clear them. Absolute kek, comparing 40k to anything is just silly
@@TheMegamyGamer If the Imperium of Man invaded Star Wars, they could conquer it in record breaking time. Star Wars would get completely wrecked in a matter of days.
Navy wise, not only does the Imperium of Man have a FAR larger navy, even their weakest ships are so SO beyond anything in Star Wars, it would be a joke.
And as far as an Imperial Guard compared to clones, not even a comparison. Blasters leave scorches. Blasters have bad range. Blasters are not light speed weapons.
Imperial Guard on the other hand has Lasguns. While they may be weak in 40k, they'd be incredibly overpowered in Star Wars. They don't share the major heat problems. And note that there are major heat problems in Star Wars lore. That is why Jango uses special guns. They allow him to fire faster, and catch Jedi off guard, as most blasters cannot fire so quickly, and Jedi can be overwhelmed.
To top it off, these weapons do not leave scorch marks. They blow off limbs, cut people straight in half, etc. They have great range. The ammo is the speed of light.
@@SomeGuy-qh6rw return do research and please come back with you'r ridiculous
church battleship i will laugh a lot since you'r little things can't work without the warp around in the star wars galaxy, even space to space you'r outgunned as star wars star figther are way more advance than you'r little Valkyrie or thunderwake. i will be honest warhammer is a pile overthetop vehicule who do not make sens ;)
@@TheMegamyGamer Allow me to educate you then, son. As it is clearly you that needs to do research.
First off, your fighters are shit. They aren't going to do anything against a 40k vessel. They aren't ever going to catch a 40k vessel for that matter, nor will the fastest ship in Star Wars.
The fact that you think Star Wars has more firepower, is laughable. Even in the stupid shit, that is the new canon of the most recent movies.
How is anything in Star Wars going to target, and aim at something moving at 75% the speed of light exactly? Not to mention, the distances which Star Wars ships engage at, are tiny as fuck, compared to 40k, which regularly engages at 500k kilometers and larger.
Let's talk about the sturdiness of each of the ships. 40k ships can take enough firepower, that at the very least, the entire surface of a planet would be destroyed, and then some. As it takes quite a bit of their sustained fire power to take down void shields.
Boarding parties are common, and they can teleport straight onto ships. Especially since Star Wars doesn't have anything to stop teleportation.
But don't worry, I'll give citations in my second post to make all of this very clear. I'll do the research for you.
good job using 40k and not using the faction called "space marines."
Thats because guard was already more than a match for all the other factions. No need to bring special forces.
Hey now, this a video about the best space marines, not the best spess mareens.
@@Jebu911 Uhh, At one point they weren't used as special forces. They were an actual fighting force if we remember the space marine legions. Just as the clones had clone legions. In all technicality, the Astartes were in fact at one point the sole driving factor for the Imperium of Mans expansion and near success at securing the galaxy for humanity. For the most part, the Astartes (Space Marine) Legions numbered anywhere from 50k to 100k manpower. With the mild exceptions of Magnus and Fulgrims legions. They got the raw end of it. Even then they were still in operation alongside their fellow primarchs and their other legions. So technically speaking people could argue this video was not accounting for when the Imperium of Man was in its peak condition. But for balance reasons, I understand why they didn't. In reality, they shouldn't have added the 40k setting into this contest. Even with how bad off the Imperium is right now there is no real winning against them.
@@chaos7535 Yeah but when people talk about warhammer they talk about 40k not 30k
I love his subtle nod to the fan cannon with the clone on Endor
Brothers everywhere raise your hands into the air
We're warriors warriors of the world
Like thunder from the sky sworn to fight and die
We're warriors warriors of the world
Till the blood on your hand is the blood of a king
Wait isn’t Clone armor actually decent? Most of the times we see them die is from point blank shots. But even then, Clones have been shown to survive multiple shots before going down like Heavy and Thorn. Even Rex took a sniper shot to the chest and survived, albeit with additional officers’ armor. But even Appo survived a lightsaber graze to the chest.
yeah, the kataran pattern armor is really only second to Mandalorian armor in toughness in the star wars universe
@@aesonkeel6527 That's specialized Commando armor, build to survive an explsive large enough to level buildings at point-blank range. The rest is still damn good armor, though
Lol it’s nothing compared to ceramite , watch Astartes , it’s a short film on TH-cam, you can see what real space marines are
@@MaadDawg97 lol war hammer is literally designed to be absolutely broken, arguably one of the strongest universes out there.
@@the_cutter8485 I agree 👍
Firstly: That's a lot of heresy there. It would be a shame if the Inquisition would come to know of this video...
Also: It's always a bit funny when people paint the persians in the greek-persian wars as monstrous enemies. Yes - they were the aggressors, but when you look at their society, their values did correspond more with those of modern western societies, than some of the greek citystates.
They're mainly painted as enemy because of pop culture, in which case their depiction come directly from the greeks. Now the persians weren't exactly kinbd hearthed but the greek weren't either, tho i would rather live under greek rule than persian rule
The Persians were chads and zoroastrianism is the foundation of Christianity.
@@Orinslayer It's not. Pre-islamic persia is pretty cool though, and zoroastrianism was the foundation of manichaeism
@@me67galaxylife I would rather live under the Persians as Persia was much more safe, less authoritarian than the Greeks (see whatifalthistory’s video about classical civilization, or at least I think that’s the one.), had outlawed slavery, and was more accepting than the Greeks.
@@Salesman40mm While i think whatif has sometimes interesting points, i don't agree with his hyperfactual approach (like he put history in an excel chart) nor his condescension.
And i guess it depends on where you live in persia or the greek world
The Imperium of Man take "Nuke the Site from Orbit" to a whole different level
So you say you're ranking the best space marines and you forget actual space marines...
I think what this really is “Best standard soldier in science fiction”
I kind of have to disagree with using the Aliens movie as a basis for the ENTIRE Colonial Marine force in that universe. The way I see it, the mission those specific marines were sent one was MEANT to fail. Not only as a movie plot, but because the company NEEDED them to fail to get an impregnated Ripley back unimpeded. Thus the entire mission was just a ruse to send Ripley in the first place. The replaced the commander with someone they knew was inept to ensure the lack of cohesion and thus ensuring mission failure. I don't think the entire marines universe wide would work as badly as this one mission went.
I felt much rage when the entire unsc section came up as I am the ultimate Halo nerd but I imagine nerds of other series also got mad when their section came up, many things have been overlooked... And 40k insta wins as the universe is made to be over the top
Seeing Halo and 40k below Star Wars is outright heresy! And yes I'm a big nerd for all those three. And seeing him using regular guardsmen as marines is a second heresy! Tempestus Scions! Those are used for that kind of warfare when no Astartes are available. And in addition does bloody Star wars has a man flying pretty well for a stone or absolute mad lads jumping onto the planet only in a tincan? No. You can't tell me a clone marine is more effective than a Spartan or an ODST
well we're talking about effiency, it's not a traditional vs really
@@me67galaxylife imo comparing forces from different universes on who would win is stupid, like we don’t know how they would adapt, how their weapons affect each other.if the universes would collide I believe that the republic and cis would batch together and probably win, even against the SPACE MARINES, as we see both Star Wars armies relied on artillery and lazers, but it would be strange to see this battle and it could go to any side
@@JJumper8888 I agree, but technically Spartans are Navy personal, not Marine.
@@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystem true you are right, they have navy ranks. Good eye to the detail
"To arouse the penal mass to arise as hardened soldiers..." I gotta use that myself at some point.
If you watch the starship troopers movie as an imperial guard vs tyranid movie with Casper van diem playing sly marbo it makes more sense than it being an adaptation of Heinlens book.
I always thought the Starship Troopers Mobile Infantry in the movies seemed to be getting deployed specifically to reduce human population. Their tactics were SO obviously terrible. How would you not just deploy automated gun turrets and attack gunships? Why even get on the ground with the arachnids?
Durtly just bombardment from orbit the planet held no value other than it was shooting earth so just 1, 2 a hundred nukes problem solved
The director only wanted to make an action movie with police satire because the military technology was so backwards in starship troopers. No air support except for one scene and their equipment was not even upgraded. The USMC is more advanced than the MI in the movie.
Hudson, "Vasquez any one ever mistaken you for a man?"
Vasquez, " No, you?"
One of my favorite comebacks in film.
if your going to quote a come back, then get it rite..
Hudson, "HEY Vasquez, HAS any one ever mistaken you for a man?"
Vasquez, " No, HAVE you?"
The True Marines! the rest in that vid are Nut-less, Wey-yui PMCS at... best.
When shit, hit'ithe the Fan, Send in the USMC!....I'd wager that Vazquez's Ball's are bigger than those lame WTF/hammer space seamen swallowers. For the Emperor (gulp)
@@bagdaduk Thank you!
To be fair towards the starship trooper writer, nuclear fission and fusion are amazing scientific breakthroughs and fantastic for power generation. I’m also not a fan of how we only seem to recognize “nuclear” as “bomb” and not the amazing scientific process that is misused to make that bomb.
Alright C’mon man, the MA5B arguments aren’t really valid. So firstly, yes the MA5B is a big boy, but considering that Humanity is fighting enemies that range from 5 foot(Grunts)-To 8 foot(Elites)-To 12 Foot(Hungers) Tall and have armor and weapon advancements beyond our comprehension. It would make sense to have a, yes large and cumbersome weapon, but with so much Ammo Capacity a massive round like 7.62x51mm. I know this may not matter but, the developers weren’t looking for that “realistic” tone at the time and it was meant to be “out of this world”(Pun may or may not have been intended), and it fulfilled that. And to add upon that, You’re wrong about the MA5B’s specs in some degrees, I’m not sure of the true ranges of the rifle and what not but, to my knowledge the user usually has a HUD display reticle and the MA-series have flip up iron sights, at least later models and you definitely see that the rifle has slimmed down since the first Halo. The rifle also definitely has a single fire mode, a burst/semi-auto fire mode, and the full auto. This is confirmed in the Halo Novels, like that of The Fall Of Reach and Contact Harvest. Not to mention, in Harvest Pvt. Jenkins was hitting shots at the range at very good distances and displayed “sharpshooter” accuracy according to a commanding officer. The MA37(Halo Reach) definitely looks way more realistic and the Halo 4/5 Rifles definitely look like a better choice over the hefty MA5B. C’mon, that can’t be a con or something. and You chose the earliest version of the weapon(in terms of Halo games and the release dates). If You chose the Halo 3-5(Including Reach) rifles, you’d most likely have to find some other “problems” with it then. The MA seen in Halo 5 Is probably the best performing and realistic of the games/rifles. and you can’t factor in gameplay balancing as that’s not true to the lore. let me explain that last bit, for example, The Assault Rifle(Like The Halo 3 through Halo 5 Rifles) fire at 750- 900 rpm lore wise but in the games they fire slower than that.
Relating to the stagnation of weapons technology and development, Humanity hit a point of peace for about 200 years or so when exploring and colonizing the galaxy and with that said, had no need to create more destructive weapons. And The calibers of the guns don’t really add up with performance, yea the covenants shields and armor are strong and stuff but for the most part, if you read the books(or view any other form of media, Like for instance Halo Legends) and exclude gameplay again, The weapons and Halo perform realistically(if i could say that) and do what they are supposed to do. The 7.62x51 round does a great job at taking out Grunts, Jackals, Brutes, Elites and Even Hunters(of course their backside) just exclude accuracy aside and just have the Chief making shots and he is usually able to do so without much problems. And The Sniper Rifle being the only “consistent weapon” isn’t true as, the larger caliber guns like the massive 12.7x40mm(and 12.7x30mm) M6 series pistols are very effective. And the larger 9.5x40mm rounds out of the Battle Rifle are very powerful. Thing is bigger and longer in diameter and length than a 7.62x39(AK bullet) so that should put it into perspective.
The Warthog is literally just meant to appeal to use for gameplay purposes, and they are other vehicles in lore but the Warthog is meant as a Scout or Light Armored vehicle, not a main assault vehicle. And warthogs flipping over again is halo physics lol not real life.
Marine armor can in lore, stop covenant weaponry, of course in certain areas. Specifically the chest plate, In lore Marines(and ODST’s) are seen many times with bullet holes, plasma scorches and burns on their armor and alive and well.
Fuze Halo’s MA rifle series with 7.62mm rounds designed towards heftier covenant (or flood) threats reminds me of modern US military’s current attempt in designing rifles with next gen 6.8mm rounds. Designed for overcoming armor and all.
Aden YANG Yea basically, and they also want a deadlier round than the 5.56. It can also be light if they can properly execute polymer casings.
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They litteraly overestimated by miles imperial lasgun capacity as well.
And I correct you on one thing. Bungie was not overlooking realism. They had purposely design humanity with weapon like our to increase the sensation of a desparate battle. If a spartan shield has a realistical resistance (considering the energy that emit in his surface), you would need HUNDREDS of rifle shot or 2-3 direct shot from a Scorpion tank only to bypass the shield. They are that absurd. If covenant elites only have half of that shield they should be unstoppable unless you use covenant weapon. If you take the forerunner book, well... forerunner soldier and vehicle should be impervious to human tech...
not to mention that the MA5B actually looks about the same length as an M16 when held next to a Marine in-game. Maybe a bit shorter, but still, combined with the Korobov TKB022-type action that means it has a barrel length of over 20", which means a patently ridiculous muzzle velocity. That and the biggest part is a removable electronics package that interfaces with the HUD eyepiece on the Marines helmet and allows it to share targeting and tactical information between troops. It's a miracle it's as small and streamlined as it is when you look at the Future Warrior program that tried to do the same thing IRL.
I mean look at Romeo in Halo 3 ODST this absolute Chad took a bloody grav hammer in the chest and survived (Sponsored by biofoam)
Instead of being the worst, if Starship Troopers rating was based on the Mobile Infantry from the book instead of the movie, they might have been in second place instead (after the IG 40K). The MI from the book were truly mobile, well armed and armored with awesome power armor, and one of them could likely take out 12 bugs. The MI from the movie weren’t mobile, were armed with bad weapons and armor no better than modern day weapons and armor (other than the mini-nukes), and it took 12 of them to take down one bug. While I love both the movie and the book, the movie is only loosely based on the book to the point that most of the flaws ended up being from the weaker movie MI and most of the benefits were from the OP book MI. Basically, the MI from the book are an elite force while the MI from the movie are almost like expendable cannon fodder.
I wish that when the North Koreans launched a cyber attack on Hollywood a few years back they would have wiped all existence of the movie Starship Troopers. What a deplorable celluloid interpretation of a great book.
Travis Cooper At least it’s wasn’t quite as bad as the movie adaptation of “I Robot” with Will Smith, but other than with very basic plot points and similarly named characters I will agree it was a poor movie adaptation of the book. Still a fun but dumb movie, but one where it seemed like the studio wanted to retain rights to “Starship Troopers” so they took a script that was about fighting giant bugs in space that was “close enough” and changed the names to protect the guilty.
If we are lucky someone will do the book justice. Maybe even keep Rico's dad alive.
I am happy simply because you guys actually pointed out correctly something almost every content creator get wrong about Starship Troopers society.
Service in the military is not the only way to obtain citizenship.
So many creators think it is when they make videos of the universe and that shows they either didn't do enough research on one of the biggest factors of the Federation, Or they don't care.
It's something that happens in a few other series too like "OMG we only see the military this society is dominated by the military and nothing else!" Like...dude. Our only POV character is in the military. That's why they're surrounded by military stuff so often.
Problem with the apc in aliens is with its wheels and ground clearance it is only useable in an urban setting.
A Sargent in the Imperium of Man looking out upon a vast horde of Clone Troopers backed with SPARTAN special forces .... "Now here we have cannon fodder a plenty ...." he remarks.
Just give the most veteran kreigsmen power swords and let them have a giggle. Itll be over in an hour or 2.
The orchestra of leman russes basilisks and valkyries would please khorne with the bloodshed and make slaanesh blush with the ear popping noise
The M35 "M-Galaxy" Lasgun(standard issue) is capable of blasting humans limbs off with one shot and piercing space marine armor (usually through weak but still impressive)it also never jams can act as a frag grenade if needed and can mount a bayonet it is weak in universe not compared to any of the standard weapons used by most of these armies
The imperial guard also deploys multiple regiments at once since each regiment has an ideal form of combat(catachans jungle fighters are experts of guerrilla warfare individual fighters have killed carnifexes, lictors, warbosses, etc) that way each regiment can cover their flaws a deployment of catachans and kriegsmen will overpower the clones easily as the mechanized trench warfare of the death korps will outlast any clone emplacements and the catachans would be able assassinate and sabotage any key units or facilities granted the imperial guard would suffer higher casualties but seeing as there’s about 30 trillion total guardsmen a couple million dead means very little in the long run
Also the imperial guard doesn’t have worse technology just limited tech this is important to understand because a leman russ spearhead with nova cannons will shred any armor like paper
All of this is ignoring the imperial guard aren’t space marines I know why you left out the adeptus astartes but there’s also the tempestus scions which are space marines specifically highly trained imperial guardsmen with better armor and guns
Also psykers are strong enough to kill jedi(they might perils in the process but that’s why you have a commissar nearby) so enemy morale will drop quick if these guys are deployed
At the end of the day 40k will almost always be on top in the case of sci-fi factions(unless we’re talking Cthulhu level armies in which case only war in heaven armies can compare) due to the absurd scale and bs power 40k factions have that’s part of its appeal the best way I’ve heard 40k described is if a universe was designed by a bunch of “no my guy has a bulletproof force field” kids(we all know the type) which ends up making any comparison of other sci-fi universes pretty anticlimactic and mildly infuriating I was introduced to 40k through one of these debates I know the answer unfortunately
My answer : EXTRTMINATUS
for he protects
Cleansed in the Emperors divine light and plasma.
BURN IN HOLY FIRE!!
You should do a video on terran marines from Starcraft
Combine Starship Troopers and USCM and you got the Terran marines.
@@robzilla730 Combine an eight foot tall seven hundred pound heavily augmented super soldier and a set of Ceramite power armor. And you have one of my Astartes.
Counterpoint to the Clone Trooper lifespan: Pretty sure they weren't meant to survive to see old age. One huge push to take over and then they're disposable, which is a lot easier to do when they've been raised to do nothing but follow orders.
I find this hard to take serious when the neglect to include the most bad ass dudes in Sci-Fi, the Adeptus Astarties. Like they're literally called Space Marines.
Im guessing this is a #2 runner up because Astartes are extremely overpowered and would easily kill whole battalions of regular starwars troopers or the colonial marines from alien single handed
Adaptus Astartes are not your average solider to begin with. Heavily Bio-Engineered, placed in over-powered mech-suits, and their weapons are more at home on assault tanks than in standard soldiery. The video was clearly matching up normal human soldiers, rather than superhuman fighters.
My one complaint is that they didn't include Terran Marines from Starcraft.
They are in another category, Space Marines are more like the Warrior Servants from Halo
@The one and only exotic Butters they are on paar with the clones. both are genetically engeniered to be better soldiers. the fact that one is actualy called "space marine" while the other is just called "clone trooper" counters the fact that the space marines are more capable then what you would expect from a normal marine. they deserve as much as the clones to be on here. the reason why they arent is because it makes it less interesting, having one clearly strongest participant. not because of any major disqualifying factors.
why is it called Space Marines, yet when it comes to 40k they talk more about the Imperial Guard? also the way he pronounced Commissar is heresy!
They way you spell Kaiser is also heresy
@@MaadDawg97 it's the dutch antiquated spelling.
@@MaadDawg97 The way you spelled Caesar is heresy.
@@TheHabsification the way you spell Scissors is heresy!
The MA5 does have a fire selector and is shown to be accurate when used in semi-auto.
Source?
@@kevinzurek3431 The books. That guy went based off the games which isn't an accurate representation of the Halo lore.
The Jem'Hadar would take any of these forces, save the 40k. Nothing beats 40k, including reality.
The Forerunners and the Rakata would like to have a word..........
@@HolyknightVader999 Maybe Forerunners, the Rakata wouldn't do so well in a modern galaxy. 40k still over-kills everything
@@markclay1813 No they don't. The average Rakatan soldier is practically a Jedi, and they have endless fleets of warships and war droids that can easily be replicated by the Star Forge. They also Exterminatus any planet that gives them shit. So basically, they're far more powerful than the 40K Imperium is. And Halo practically lets you eradicate every life form in the galaxy with the push of a button, so that's a threshold 40K hasn't ever reached. Saying that 40K is the strongest is like saying that Superman is the strongest Superhero while ignoring the likes of Dr. Manhattan and the Spectre who could kill him with a glare.
@@HolyknightVader999 Necrons are able to separate reality and dimensions from one another, have a map that they can make sun's supernova for fun, create black holes, then the C'tan can destroy whole solar systems with ease, take a universal powered weapon and survive. Forerunner would beat the Imperium for sure. However Necrons during the War in Heaven, Eldar during the second War in Heaven, or even DAOT humanity could beat Forerunner empire.
@@eichler721 Not so sure. I hardly doubt they had the power to depopulate galaxies with a switch.
@1:11:00 fact check the AK-47 was not chambered in 7.62 NATO. It was only fairly recently that we got an AKM rifle chambered in 7.62 NATO.
Secondary issue 7.62x51 chambered battle rifles aren't favored purely for their increased effectiveness against armor, they're bigger selling point is actually they're greater effectiveness at increased range over 5.56x45 or 7.62x39 weapons. While the M85b is undeniably chunky for a light infantry weapon it does have two huge advantages over modern weapons using the 762x51 cartridge. Even when fired fully automatic the M85b has negligible recoil, and it can be fired cyclically for indefinite periods of time without overheating. Also there's the lack of hot gas escaping from the ejection port, that's a huge improvement for a bullpup.
It feels as though you read the wiki's for each section
So what im getting from this is that every space marine sucks but they are also great at the same time
Unless you consider Spartans (the Halo kind) and Astartes.
Then ya. Space Marines. Dont fuck with them.
for the ten bad things they kinda exaggerated for all of them if u look into em
No matter how strong those hammerheads were in Avatar, a 30mm explosive rounds would pulverise them
2:02:54 the planet broke before the guard did. Cadia stands!!!
*laughs in heavy flamer*
Melta gun would be my preferred carrier pigeon
As someone who identifies as a Krieger, this touches a nerve a bit. Wheres my shovel im gonna beat some chrome domes.
Yes, Comisar! This video right here!
I told lord inquisitioner Fyodor kamarazov of this herecy
1:59 Why has no one ever noticed in Attack of the Clones that when the clones are eating in the cafeteria, that they're all eating non existent food and drink?
Why do you think the clone we are focused on looks to his left in confusion? "Where the fuck is our food? We only have water...."
@@Sigma-gb9yd In my head-canon this is Rex and it shows that he's not easily programmed.
Don't know if you have had these offered for you to look at, but you could take a look at the CoDominium Marines from Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle's "Future History" works.
An indication of what they are like: the CD Marines, especially the Line Marines, are descended mainly from the French Foreign Legion, and have preserved many of their traditions and attitudes.
No matter where my brothers rank I’m still proud of them
40k wins but wow, all other "space marines" only compare to the Imperial Guard; that is ridiculously awesome.
The guard has held the line for 10 thousand year.
Republic army wins because they held the like for 25K years.
@@HolyknightVader999 and how long was Clones there? Ya like 10 years. The rest was the Jedi and different armies. Also they would be slaughtered if fighting Orks in the Trillions, Hive fleets in the Billions per fleet, Necrons who even make the Imperium shit its pants, Chaos Hordes that wreck entire systems. Only against the small in number Tau and Eldar would the Republic have a chance.
@@eichler721 even then both the eldar and dark eldar would out maneuver them to ridiculiosu degrees given their literal milenia of experience, their far seers literaly predicting the future, and their web way networks.
@@HolyknightVader999
Well how much of that time was a full on multifront war ?