That talk about georgia possibl having 3 losses and still crying about being left out of the playoffs is one of my biggest problems with college football.
I mean to be fair this has always existed. How do you truly, and I mean truly, rank a 9-3 team with the hardest schedule in the country compared to a 10-2 or 11-1 team with the, lets say, 75th hardest schedule in the country. There just is no real objective way to do it. Those two scenarios simply aren't comparable. And most people are aware of this so that's why you get people "crying" as you put it, which again, has always existed way before the playoffs, it was just numbers in the win/loss columns.
@@CK-bd8tj that's what the BCS rankings were all about. I preferred those over a biased committee because you can at least look at the numbers and justify an omission. Now it's just "how the team looks" which is subjective and not measurable
well the only reason they’re “crying” is because georgia has always been near or in the playoffs every year so the fans think that even tho that they have lost two games, they still have the hardest schedule and should get in.
Pat, you should do a breakdown of the BYU kicker's touchdown-saving, solo tackle of Utah's leading rusher on the kickoff return with one minute left in the first quarter last Saturday night. Not only did he make the tackle, but stood over the returner for a moment--but not long enough to draw a penalty. It's the kind of kicker play you would love!
Picking the winner of conferences to enter the playoffs is how mlb, nhl, nfl, nba, and mls all work. They all have conferences with conference champions, and guess what? Some conferences are more stacked than others! But this helps keep fan bases across the nation involved and ensures at least some level of parity is maintained across conferences. College football should be the same.
college is collapsing into 4 conferences at this point though. It would've made more sense for NCAA to force regional conferences for power programs and then had champions get auto bids and then do the rest like they're wild card teams
@@utmastuh I posted this on another thread: There are currently 10 FBS conferences. Can you truly be a national champion if you aren’t your conference champion? This can be real simple. Require all conferences have a championship game. The conference champ goes to the playoff. Require independents to join a conference or they eliminate themselves from national contention. This gives you 10 teams. The bottom 4 teams play the first week as play-in games. This gives you 8 teams going into week 2, and a normal sort of bracket. You base that bracket on the final regular season rankings. No more controversy of “undeserving” teams being selected and “deserving” teams being snubbed because there is no selection process anymore. Every conference is represented, thus giving every team a chance (unless they stupidly choose to remain independent). You end up with a true champion of champions. By making the playoff based on conference championships, you create incentive for top teams to remain in their conferences rather than departing for some monstrous conglomerate. Recreate the Pac 12 and Big 10. Put Notre Dame in the MAC or Midwest conference. You could have a playoff of Army, Miami/Clemson/SMU, BYU/Texas, Indiana/OSU/Penn State, Western Kentucky, Notre Dame, Boise State/Ohio, Oregon, Tennessee, and Louisiana. 6 major programs with 4 underdogs that have a decent chance of an upset or two.
@@Unlitedsoul that sounds fine and dandy until Ohio U makes it out the MAC and loses by 56 to Oregon in the playoff. I think it should be very much the opposite, forget the conferences, take the best 12 teams regardless. Even Miami this year doesn’t deserve to make it let alone have a first round bye. If you make it solely conference based, that means teams like Ohio State, Penn State, Indiana, Alabama, Ole Miss, Tennessee, etc. aren’t making it because they don’t win the conference since they’re so stacked. Schools flipping conferences isn’t a decision made to have better competition, it’s a decision made based on money. These schools that switched to B10 or SEC did it because they’ll get more tv games and make a ton more money due to the notoriety of the conference
It’s so vague your playoff chances without the weekly updates I wouldn’t have had a clue whether or not Ole Miss was in it without these. But now I have a good idea that if they win out they’ll remain in. More content is always good
You act like Bracketology isnt *insanely* popular.. and the NCAA started doing a “top 16” every February basically because of the success of the CFP/ESPN rolling out the rankings
It’s purely based on who they are projecting to win that game. They believe even if SMU has a better record they still won’t be Miami in the conference championship
Purely based on spreading this through as much geographical territory to rake in as much money as possible via viewership. If the sec gets screwed, I hope the whole south keeps their t.Vs off
Why call it a playoff to find the best team when teams from a “certain” conference continue to lose games and they don’t drop in the rankings. Move them the hell out if there, why hasn’t Boise State and SMU moved up when these teams continue to lose. That is just unfair and borderline criminal that these rankings are only based on if they pass the eye test of the beholder.
Because the worst ranked SEC team, MS State this year, would be a 2 loss team in the ACC and everyone knows it. The SEC is hands down the strongest conference and to act like it isn't is just disingenuous
@@Spacesnakes474texas has an easier schedule than indiana…you don’t know anything about football and are an sec fan boy that thinks if you put hands down after your statements that its fact
I still believe conference Champs should get home game if dont have bye. Be awesome to have OSU travel to Boise State in first round. Would promote college football much more if a big school has to play at the small.
I'm just a stupid old man but why not the top two teams from the power 5 conferences and two at large bids, that would be 12 teams for the playoffs. If you're in any conference you better play like hell so you are in the top two. The AP poll could just be for fun after that because it doesn't really matter anyways for tournament placement.
There are currently 10 FBS conferences. Can you truly be a national champion if you aren’t your conference champion? This can be real simple. Require all conferences have a championship game. The conference champ goes to the playoff. Require independents to join a conference or they eliminate themselves from national contention. This gives you 10 teams. The bottom 4 teams play the first week as play-in games. This gives you 8 teams going into week 2, and a normal sort of bracket. You base that bracket on the final regular season rankings. No more controversy of “undeserving” teams being selected and “deserving” teams being snubbed because there is no selection process anymore. Every conference is represented, thus giving every team a chance (unless they stupidly choose to remain independent). You end up with a true champion of champions.
@@Unlitedsoulthe issue with that from is it entirely eliminates the value of out of conference games. no reason to play then anymore. and obviously from a financial perspective the leagues and media companies would never have a 10 team playoff with 2-3 realistic contenders
Nonsense. You would have to win your conference. The only way to do that is to finish in a position to go to the conference championship. You do that by having one of the top two in-conference records. Thus making conference games mean even more than they do now. What might get hurt is non-conference games, but that’s where strength of schedule for potential bracket ranking comes in. 2-3 realistic contenders? In this format you could have Texas, Oregon, Army, SMU, BYU, Ohio, Boise State, Washington State, Louisiana, and Western Kentucky in the playoff. While there are some teams here that would be lower draws than others, even the worst teams on this list are strong enough to carry a solid chance at upsetting the best on the list. You know what is the best way to drive up ratings at halftime is? An underdog with a lead, and there’s plenty of potential for that. You know what else this will do? Drive up ratings for the non-power 5 conference championship games. For that matter, all conference championship games will probably get a boost. Those late season conference rival games will probably draw more as well. No, the real issue isn’t anything you mention here. The real issue would be putting the Big 10 and Pac 12 back together and getting Notre Dame into a conference. If you do that, then you would probably see either Ohio State or Indiana replacing Washington State (as Oregon would move back to the Pac 12), Tennessee replacing Texas (with BYU at the top of the Big 10), and Notre Dame potentially replacing Ohio, Boise State, or making things more interesting in the Big 10. This strengthening the playoff bracket as a whole and creating 3 stronger conference championship games than we may have with the current alignments. And if you make it based on conference championships, you won’t have continual departures of top teams to other conferences. This re-balancing the conferences as a whole.
How can Army be completely unbeaten conference champions taking out Notre Dame. If you don’t put them in they better get a Bowl game with best remaining SEC team.
I think Pats is confused bc he isn't understanding the bracket is only being shown to give context to what the rankings mean if the season ended today. At the end of the day, get your ass into the top 12 and or win your CCG. Imagine going thu a March madness selection show every week till March. That would be tuff!
There was a time when the average person was illiterate and probably had no idea what arithmetic was - dumbing things down because people get confused doesn't help anyone have something better and understand something more complicated. Just keep explaining it to people - that's what your job is.
We live in a time where "eye test" is how you pick playoffs over actual results. It's mind boggling. Just wait until the NFL adds more teams to the playoffs and teams are in via some biased group of individuals.
Does anyone else get annoyed by how 90% of cfb talk is hypothetical? “If this team wins out and this team losses to them what happens” never much talk about the actual games that did happen it seems like
At this rate, just rename it to the SEC-Big 10 National Championship and save the rest of us lowly scrub conferences the time and effort thinking we're being given fair consideration... A BYU or SMU sneezes the wrong way and they're out while Georgia could lose 4 or 5 and get shoehorned in...
Depends on strength of schedule. At some point we have to admit not all programs are the same in college football. There is a reason why BYU plays in front of 64,000 at their stadium max and a Penn State plays in-front of 100,000 plus. SMU’s stadium holds about 33,000. That is the simplest easiest way to understand the differences between programs. It’s not a perfect way to explain, but gives a visual. The Penn States are also consistently in the top 20 of recruiting and overall roster talent. And for the record, I hate Penn State and think they are overrated.
Easiest fix is to make it a 16 team playoff. That way IF needed, you can get 5 SEC&BIG10 (4 and 6 depending on year like this year) ACC and BIG12 which is 12 and then the last 4 can be between 1 more aditional ACC and BIG12, 1 independent like ND and a small school like a boise, Wazzu etc.
The difference is due to the AP voters being journalists with no qualifications and don't watch every game, the CFB rankings have people who actually know what they're doing.
Miami only dropping down 5 spots losing to UNRANKED Georgia Tech who just got wrecked the previous week by Virginia Tech is laughable especially since the team below them ALABAMA just destroyed LSU on the road 42-13 and the week before destroyed Mizzou 34-0. and at the same time they drop Georgia losing on the road to a 16 RANKED Ole Miss 9 SPOTS along with having the toughest schedule in the whole world going into at the time #1 Texas winning 30-15. Losing a close game to BAMA and also had destroy Clemson 34-3 on their resume. This committee has no clue what they are doing.
The thing that doesnt make sense to me is how people want to change it now to make it more big 10 or sec favorable… but the acc and big 12 while going through a slump will bounce back eventually
SEC CHAOS SCENARIO: So if all the SEC favorites win out BUT Arkansas upsets Missouri in last regular season game, then it would be Texas vs LSU in the SEC championship. If LSU somehow won the SEC championship game then they’d get an automatic bid into the playoffs with 3 losses and there would be still be 5 two loss SEC teams (Texas, Bama, Georgia, Ole Miss, & Tennessee). Who gets left out? Bama and Ole Miss beat Georgia. Georgia beat Texas and Tennessee Tennessee beat Bama. So, does Texas get left out being the only team who hasn’t beaten any of the teams tied? However, their 2nd loss came from SEC championship game so how do you penalize them for that? Do they all make it? Seems crazy. I have no idea.
@@jjacksonketchum The first tie breaker is overall record. LSU is currently below all of the 2-loss teams and would remain below them in this scenario. Beyond this, if your scenario were to hold up, it would be Texas and Tennessee in the SEC championship as Tennessee is now favored over Georgia in two days. If Georgia then beats Tennessee, and Ole Miss wins out… they end up facing Texas in the SEC championship. Either them or Alabama. If Ole Miss/Alabama beat Texas, they and Texas get in. If Texas wins, then it’s probably Texas and whomever between Ole Miss/Bama didn’t go to the championship. LSU is virtually eliminated right now. A lot of upsets need to happen for them to get to the SEC championship game… and that’s their only shot at the playoff.
Truthfully this entire system is flawed. It's based on "eye tests", brand bias, and marketability. Why show a bracket every week whenever the only one that matters is the final reveal?
I disagree with his take. I think the committee should simply rank the best 25 teams (as they do) and not look at how that would affect the bracket whatsoever
It's very Disrespectful that everyone that is not a IU fan, just assumes Ohio State will beat IU? On paper Nortern Illinois was suppose to lose to ND. Vadebelt was suppose to lose to Bama.
That's how they always talk when ohio states in the conversation, that's exactly how all the pundits talked when oregon played them, even with oregon vs Michigan. These guys were seriously betting on Michigan, the bias is insane lol. The second ohio state or any other big blue blood like penn state or Michigan is in the conversation they don't even talk about the other team, it's pure glaze
All this raking is showing is that you need to make your schedule as easily as possible and then win one big game and you’re in. Punishing teams for playing good schedules should not be a thing.
Just the playoff teams and the first ones out is a great idea, mainly for the committee because they can avoid answering questions of difficult scenarios because some reporters will fs question why is y ranked 15 but x ranked 19, and that doesn't even really matter.
Top 25 teams that the current top 10 has played this season. #1 Oregon played against #13 Boise State and #2 Ohio State #2 Ohio State played against #1 Oregon, #4 Penn State and later on this season against #5 Indiana #3 Texas played against #11 Georgia and later this season against #15 Texas A&M #4 Penn State played against #2 Ohio State #5 Indiana hasn’t played any rank teams but is schedule to play against Ohio State #6 Tennessee played against #9 Alabama, and is against #11 Georgia this Saturday #7 BYU played against #14 SMU and #20 Kansas State #8 Notre Dame played against #15 Texas A&M, #22 Louisville, and later this season against #16 Army #9 Alabama played against #11 Georgia, #23 South Carolina, #6 Tennessee, #24 Missouri, #21 LSU #10 Ole Miss played against #23 South Carolina, #21 LSU, #11 Georgia Friendly reminder for the college championship match two season ago where it was GA vs TCU; TCU was lost one game in OT but then gotten destroyed by Georgia in the championship match. It’s easy to stay undefeated when you don’t play against any ranked teams. I say college football playoffs should if it was up to me have it release the official playoffs bracket after thanksgiving rivalry weekend. Right now Indiana is undefeated but thanksgiving weekend will be there first match up of the season against a rank team. Like I know they are good against unranked teams but how are they against a high ranked team.
Imagine going 13-0, winning your conference and still getting left out and now ppl are crying because their teams are getting screwed by the committee 😂 comical
This SEC bias is crazy. Results have to matter. This "good loss" stuff has to stop. Georgia gets beat by good teams but still get ranked higher than they should because they didn't get blown out? That's stupid.
You know, I have to agree. This is coming from an Ole Miss alum/fan. Ole Miss just blew out Georgia. Alabama also blew them out, as it only came back to within 10 points after Bama’s backups were put in the game. Georgia hasn’t been playing nearly as well as their ranking (or expectation) and should not be in position for the playoffs. That said, despite being 2 4th down stops from being undefeated, Ole Miss doesn’t deserve to be there either right now. Not as long as there are enough good, 1-loss teams in strong conferences still out there that can fill the bracket. Texas and Tennessee are the only SEC teams that should be in there, right now.
What do you mean have you not seen the playoffs rankings I can't say that about past years but this year the committee say the hell with the SEC. Go dawgs
@ I doubt they will, but it gives them an edge over Tennessee at that point. However, Georgia would need more 1-loss teams other than Tennessee to lose as well. Once we get down to only a couple of 1-loss teams that aren’t at the top of their conference… then we can start looking at 2-loss teams possibly getting in.
For years the AP was the standard then back in the late 80's eatly 90's the CFB entered the picture and really messed things up. Expansion of yhe brackets and stoll leaving the decisions to people is still wrong. The NFL does not have a committee for the playoffs or style points just win.
it doesnt matter with a p4/5 whatever you wanna call it conference anymore so its just the 5 highest ranked conference winners get in and then the remaining top 7 teams essentially get in so depending on where the 5 conference champs are ranked the remaining teams that get in could be anywhere between 1-12 but only 7 of those teams will get in 5 + 7 = 12 if people couldnt understand how i got there I believe the committee is just ranking the teams 1-25 and the bracket is being made out of those rankings so that the matchups are independent of rematch/how well a team travels/media pull all do not have a factor in placement I think this keeps it pretty fair i like the way its set up and it makes it so expansion is easy just add teams and keep the 5 highest champs as auto bids
Would it be a problem to do like the NBA, like we have top 25 teams, right? … So having the top 25, I was thinking of having them play each other, like 1 vs. 25 or 2 vs. 24, like that, and then who ever is left play for the championship, but would that be a worse problem than doing it the way the committee is doing it this way?
No Pat that's dumb. They need to rank the teams and then the format of the bracket will reflect those rankings. So that if a Boise St. wins their conference championship, but Notre Dame and Iowa St have a higher seed, there is evidence of that reasoning. It's like in math class when you had to show your work. The bracket is the answer. The rankings is the committee showing their work. It's not complicated and should not be changed just because some people in Tuscaloosa are confused.
I think the opposite. They should only do the rankings. For those of us who want to analyze positions and create possible outcomes the rankings are a must. If a current conference champ loses their championship position, we need to know where they are dropping from (ie, what rank they are dropping from, not from their top 5 bracket spot)
It's not confusing...they rank the team, and then when they apply the rules to those ranked teams, we get the seeds. There are just a lot of people that don't care to learn about how it works. I can't believe there are still dudes out there that think the power 4 conferences are guaranteed a spot in the playoff. They aren't. It's a pretty damn good bet, but that's because of how teams get ranked - not because there is anything in the rules about it.
I really don’t think strength of schedule should be such a big thing because the SEC will probably all ways have a good strength because all of them are high end programs expected like one
It’s still a beauty pageant. Each conference champion should be in, with a handful of wildcards, but no more than two wildcards per conference. If we don’t win, we don’t deserve to be there. Win or die.
Do they reseed after each round? Say the 12 seed knocks off the 5 seed in rounds-1. Would the 12 seed still play the 4 seed in round 2 or would they play the 1 seed?
Not a fan of how they currently seed these teams. I don't mind that conference champs get automatic bids, but automatically giving them top 4 seeds and bye just don't make sense. Can you imagine a 4-loss conference champ and rank #25 getting a first round bye?
They played a championship they had to play an extra game. 5-12 can be teams who didnt even have to play in a championship like notre dame. Championship byes are 100% legit
as an SEC fan, it sucks that the SEC isnt as strong as years past, our teams this year are definitely over hyped, but at the same time, the Big 10 having that many teams ranked that high is even more of a joke considering they dont play anybody. And the Big 10 cant even use the excuse of playing each other, because theyre all trash. But, I do love the chaos and finally having a 12 team playoff just makes it that much more interesting. As someone else said in the comments, I wish they would have used the BCS rankings due to bias of a committee.
the ranking (as opposed to the seed) is not useless for teams in the bracket. if we just saw miami was seeded 4 this week, they could be ranked anywhere from 7-13 and we’d have no clue. if byu and osu swapped spots, miami could be ranked 4-13 and we’d have no clue. we’d ask ourselves can miami afford a close loss in the acc title game and still get in and have no clue bc if they were at 4 then ofc they could and jf they’re at 13 then absolutely not. eliminating the ranking and only showing the seed eliminates a huge amount of transparency about the rankings (and we barely have any to begin with). it’s not that hard to understand. regardless, the committee just comes up with a top 25, it’s espn making the bracket on the screen and putting in auto bids for clicks. the committee doesn’t care about auto bids - they don’t really decide them. they’re just ranking the top 25 so that when selection day comes, they can extract the 5 best champs and then the 7 best at larges. simple as that. blame espn for their program if you’re confused
The other conferences catching up isn't their fault the big 10 the top teams could never play eachother so could have a few undefeated teams inflating them regardless of how good they are
The bracket being put out is pointless until the conference champions are crowned…I don’t see why it’s confusing…yes it could’ve been slotted 1 thru 12 but they chose to make conference champions matter…
There should be a Northeast, Southeast, Northwest and South West Conference. Each conference has two divisions each with 10 teams. That’s 40 teams bidding for 12 spots.
More like not until after they begin conference play/1st month... they rank bc they know ppl will froth at the mouth to see (their) team ranked well, generating interest (revenue) and sparking debate ALL season long...
@@helluvatime4562 Big 10 is a much better conference than SEC and has been for years now. SEC is only propped up by ESPN. SEC loses to everyone not named SEC
I mean the Big 10 literally has 4 good teams and like 12 dogwater teams, none of them are battle tested until they pick eachother off but all of them would be 10th or worse in the SEC, can't wait for them to lose 65-7.
I'm glad it's expanded but let's face it. It's not a playoff to crown a Nat Champ. It's still a "beauty contest" based on ticket sales and TV ratings. The old cronies from the Big10 and SEC don't ever want a march madness style true national championship style tournament playoffs. 16 team playoff - 9 Conf Champs and 7 at-large is the ideal playoffs. They know it would make the most money but they don't want the G5 to make equal playoff $$$. Greedy bastards!!
How? would the 6-2 division tie favor Alabama when Tennessee beat Alabama already? Also Im predicting Tenn to beat Georgia. That means we've beaten Georgia and an Alabama team that beat Texas. So Tennessee ranked #2 behind undefeated Oregon?
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It's really not that confusing. They rank the top 25, and the differences in seeding is due to being a conference winner
You know Pat be on the medicine. 🤣
It's pretty simple I thought
It makes sense, but just adds one lil extra step that ya might not have to
How is LsU still top25? Wonky
ACC should not get a bye with how dogshit every team in that conference is
That talk about georgia possibl having 3 losses and still crying about being left out of the playoffs is one of my biggest problems with college football.
I mean to be fair this has always existed. How do you truly, and I mean truly, rank a 9-3 team with the hardest schedule in the country compared to a 10-2 or 11-1 team with the, lets say, 75th hardest schedule in the country. There just is no real objective way to do it. Those two scenarios simply aren't comparable. And most people are aware of this so that's why you get people "crying" as you put it, which again, has always existed way before the playoffs, it was just numbers in the win/loss columns.
@@CK-bd8tj that's what the BCS rankings were all about. I preferred those over a biased committee because you can at least look at the numbers and justify an omission. Now it's just "how the team looks" which is subjective and not measurable
well the only reason they’re “crying” is because georgia has always been near or in the playoffs every year so the fans think that even tho that they have lost two games, they still have the hardest schedule and should get in.
@@utmastuha computer definitely not.
@@CK-bd8tjthe nfl has no problem with this
You also can’t put out a legit bracket because you don’t know who will win each conference
Right like Miami not even leading the ACC rn
Pat, you should do a breakdown of the BYU kicker's touchdown-saving, solo tackle of Utah's leading rusher on the kickoff return with one minute left in the first quarter last Saturday night. Not only did he make the tackle, but stood over the returner for a moment--but not long enough to draw a penalty. It's the kind of kicker play you would love!
Picking the winner of conferences to enter the playoffs is how mlb, nhl, nfl, nba, and mls all work. They all have conferences with conference champions, and guess what? Some conferences are more stacked than others! But this helps keep fan bases across the nation involved and ensures at least some level of parity is maintained across conferences. College football should be the same.
college is collapsing into 4 conferences at this point though. It would've made more sense for NCAA to force regional conferences for power programs and then had champions get auto bids and then do the rest like they're wild card teams
@@utmastuh I posted this on another thread:
There are currently 10 FBS conferences. Can you truly be a national champion if you aren’t your conference champion?
This can be real simple. Require all conferences have a championship game. The conference champ goes to the playoff. Require independents to join a conference or they eliminate themselves from national contention. This gives you 10 teams. The bottom 4 teams play the first week as play-in games. This gives you 8 teams going into week 2, and a normal sort of bracket. You base that bracket on the final regular season rankings.
No more controversy of “undeserving” teams being selected and “deserving” teams being snubbed because there is no selection process anymore. Every conference is represented, thus giving every team a chance (unless they stupidly choose to remain independent). You end up with a true champion of champions.
By making the playoff based on conference championships, you create incentive for top teams to remain in their conferences rather than departing for some monstrous conglomerate. Recreate the Pac 12 and Big 10. Put Notre Dame in the MAC or Midwest conference. You could have a playoff of Army, Miami/Clemson/SMU, BYU/Texas, Indiana/OSU/Penn State, Western Kentucky, Notre Dame, Boise State/Ohio, Oregon, Tennessee, and Louisiana. 6 major programs with 4 underdogs that have a decent chance of an upset or two.
@@Unlitedsoul that sounds fine and dandy until Ohio U makes it out the MAC and loses by 56 to Oregon in the playoff. I think it should be very much the opposite, forget the conferences, take the best 12 teams regardless. Even Miami this year doesn’t deserve to make it let alone have a first round bye. If you make it solely conference based, that means teams like Ohio State, Penn State, Indiana, Alabama, Ole Miss, Tennessee, etc. aren’t making it because they don’t win the conference since they’re so stacked.
Schools flipping conferences isn’t a decision made to have better competition, it’s a decision made based on money. These schools that switched to B10 or SEC did it because they’ll get more tv games and make a ton more money due to the notoriety of the conference
What the hell is the point of the bracket coming out weekly in the first place? Basketball selection Sunday is perfect, this thing stinks
It’s so vague your playoff chances without the weekly updates
I wouldn’t have had a clue whether or not Ole Miss was in it without these. But now I have a good idea that if they win out they’ll remain in.
More content is always good
Money of course. Would be so much easier with just the final selection sunday
You act like Bracketology isnt *insanely* popular.. and the NCAA started doing a “top 16” every February basically because of the success of the CFP/ESPN rolling out the rankings
@TheBigWI93 main difference, bracketology isn't official, it's espn, CBS, etc journalists coming up with them on a weekly basis
@@ronan.7946 money exists because the consumers want it
I like having it come out every week. Millions of others do too.
Idk about most ppl but I'd much rather see SMU in there over a 3rd or 4th SEC or Big10 team.
How is Miami getting the ACC bid so far ...when SMU leading the conference
~ Because Miami is the highest ranked right now. That's how I understood it
It’s purely based on who they are projecting to win that game. They believe even if SMU has a better record they still won’t be Miami in the conference championship
Purely based on spreading this through as much geographical territory to rake in as much money as possible via viewership. If the sec gets screwed, I hope the whole south keeps their t.Vs off
@@IGirt1 but they will
Why call it a playoff to find the best team when teams from a “certain” conference continue to lose games and they don’t drop in the rankings. Move them the hell out if there, why hasn’t Boise State and SMU moved up when these teams continue to lose. That is just unfair and borderline criminal that these rankings are only based on if they pass the eye test of the beholder.
Because the worst ranked SEC team, MS State this year, would be a 2 loss team in the ACC and everyone knows it. The SEC is hands down the strongest conference and to act like it isn't is just disingenuous
@@Spacesnakes474texas has an easier schedule than indiana…you don’t know anything about football and are an sec fan boy that thinks if you put hands down after your statements that its fact
@@Spacesnakes474 This would be the same Miss State that lost by 30 to the 3rd best MAC school?
@@Spacesnakes474 SEC has 16 teams. No guarantee for 4 teams to have to play top teams. Stop bragging about your corrupt SEC programs.
I still believe conference Champs should get home game if dont have bye. Be awesome to have OSU travel to Boise State in first round. Would promote college football much more if a big school has to play at the small.
Just do rankings until the final bracket is set, then reveal the bracket.
This
None of these ranks matter until the final week
I'm just a stupid old man but why not the top two teams from the power 5 conferences and two at large bids, that would be 12 teams for the playoffs. If you're in any conference you better play like hell so you are in the top two. The AP poll could just be for fun after that because it doesn't really matter anyways for tournament placement.
There are currently 10 FBS conferences. Can you truly be a national champion if you aren’t your conference champion?
This can be real simple. Require all conferences have a championship game. The conference champ goes to the playoff. Require independents to join a conference or they eliminate themselves from national contention. This gives you 10 teams. The bottom 4 teams play the first week as play-in games. This gives you 8 teams going into week 2, and a normal sort of bracket. You base that bracket on the final regular season rankings.
No more controversy of “undeserving” teams being selected and “deserving” teams being snubbed because there is no selection process anymore. Every conference is represented, thus giving every team a chance (unless they stupidly choose to remain independent). You end up with a true champion of champions.
Thats sweet
Yeah I like that idea way better than all this drama.
@@Unlitedsoulthe issue with that from is it entirely eliminates the value of out of conference games. no reason to play then anymore. and obviously from a financial perspective the leagues and media companies would never have a 10 team playoff with 2-3 realistic contenders
Nonsense. You would have to win your conference. The only way to do that is to finish in a position to go to the conference championship. You do that by having one of the top two in-conference records. Thus making conference games mean even more than they do now. What might get hurt is non-conference games, but that’s where strength of schedule for potential bracket ranking comes in.
2-3 realistic contenders? In this format you could have Texas, Oregon, Army, SMU, BYU, Ohio, Boise State, Washington State, Louisiana, and Western Kentucky in the playoff. While there are some teams here that would be lower draws than others, even the worst teams on this list are strong enough to carry a solid chance at upsetting the best on the list. You know what is the best way to drive up ratings at halftime is? An underdog with a lead, and there’s plenty of potential for that.
You know what else this will do? Drive up ratings for the non-power 5 conference championship games. For that matter, all conference championship games will probably get a boost. Those late season conference rival games will probably draw more as well.
No, the real issue isn’t anything you mention here. The real issue would be putting the Big 10 and Pac 12 back together and getting Notre Dame into a conference. If you do that, then you would probably see either Ohio State or Indiana replacing Washington State (as Oregon would move back to the Pac 12), Tennessee replacing Texas (with BYU at the top of the Big 10), and Notre Dame potentially replacing Ohio, Boise State, or making things more interesting in the Big 10. This strengthening the playoff bracket as a whole and creating 3 stronger conference championship games than we may have with the current alignments.
And if you make it based on conference championships, you won’t have continual departures of top teams to other conferences. This re-balancing the conferences as a whole.
Army and Boise state both make the tournament lots of SEC heads are gunna explode
How can Army be completely unbeaten conference champions taking out Notre Dame. If you don’t put them in they better get a Bowl game with best remaining SEC team.
Army should be in if they beat ND
they wont beat ND…
@@KevinJohnson-cr3yb they could, upsets can always happen
The criteria for IU was them only missing the SoS. By that logic, Army should be 12-16th rank. Smashed opponents and no game has been close.
If army goes unbeaten and doesn’t make the playoff Army will be livid!!!
I think Pats is confused bc he isn't understanding the bracket is only being shown to give context to what the rankings mean if the season ended today. At the end of the day, get your ass into the top 12 and or win your CCG.
Imagine going thu a March madness selection show every week till March. That would be tuff!
Pat is a knuckle dragger...
He is a moron, of courses he is confused.
Its perfectly fine.
I like the top 25 rankings bc it shows who will drop out the playoffs with a loss and who probably won’t
There was a time when the average person was illiterate and probably had no idea what arithmetic was - dumbing things down because people get confused doesn't help anyone have something better and understand something more complicated. Just keep explaining it to people - that's what your job is.
We live in a time where "eye test" is how you pick playoffs over actual results. It's mind boggling. Just wait until the NFL adds more teams to the playoffs and teams are in via some biased group of individuals.
Army and IU are getting disrespected both teams are undefeated Army deserved to be Respected
Does anyone else get annoyed by how 90% of cfb talk is hypothetical? “If this team wins out and this team losses to them what happens” never much talk about the actual games that did happen it seems like
~ You really don't have to listen to it... It's just general college football talk.
@ I understand what free will is. Just sharing thoughts on
Great Show Pat!!
My WSU Cougars in the running and Cam Ward killing it for the Canes!
let's be real, Cougs will be in Holiday bowl or equivalent, even if they win out
I like the format they have. If winning conference championships doesn't mean anything then why have conferences at all?
TV deals, money, rivalries.
@user-tz2zz5ij1s you can maintain all of that without conferences
all SEC/b10 playoff is dumb
At this rate, just rename it to the SEC-Big 10 National Championship and save the rest of us lowly scrub conferences the time and effort thinking we're being given fair consideration...
A BYU or SMU sneezes the wrong way and they're out while Georgia could lose 4 or 5 and get shoehorned in...
Nah. 3 losses shoukd auto ban you frok playoffs....
Depends on strength of schedule. At some point we have to admit not all programs are the same in college football. There is a reason why BYU plays in front of 64,000 at their stadium max and a Penn State plays in-front of 100,000 plus. SMU’s stadium holds about 33,000. That is the simplest easiest way to understand the differences between programs. It’s not a perfect way to explain, but gives a visual. The Penn States are also consistently in the top 20 of recruiting and overall roster talent. And for the record, I hate Penn State and think they are overrated.
Georgia should be out with 3 losses. Any team with 3 losses should be out, unless they win their conference championship some how.
PERFECT! I agree 100%
3 loss teams should automatically be out. Its getting old that a SEC loss is as good as a win in the other conferences.
Easiest fix is to make it a 16 team playoff. That way IF needed, you can get 5 SEC&BIG10 (4 and 6 depending on year like this year) ACC and BIG12 which is 12 and then the last 4 can be between 1 more aditional ACC and BIG12, 1 independent like ND and a small school like a boise, Wazzu etc.
So the conference winners have to play an extra game for no reason lol?? Gotta give them a bye at least.
Army disrespect
The difference is due to the AP voters being journalists with no qualifications and don't watch every game, the CFB rankings have people who actually know what they're doing.
Miami only dropping down 5 spots losing to UNRANKED Georgia Tech who just got wrecked the previous week by Virginia Tech is laughable especially since the team below them ALABAMA just destroyed LSU on the road 42-13 and the week before destroyed Mizzou 34-0. and at the same time they drop Georgia losing on the road to a 16 RANKED Ole Miss 9 SPOTS along with having the toughest schedule in the whole world going into at the time #1 Texas winning 30-15. Losing a close game to BAMA and also had destroy Clemson 34-3 on their resume. This committee has no clue what they are doing.
Such an exciting college football season so far. Really exceeded my expectations.
The thing that doesnt make sense to me is how people want to change it now to make it more big 10 or sec favorable… but the acc and big 12 while going through a slump will bounce back eventually
The top 25 is to make a lot of people around the country feel good. Playoff ranking are to make a couple of conferences lots of money.
The bigger question is why are Indiana and BYU ranked ahead of TN??
SEC CHAOS SCENARIO:
So if all the SEC favorites win out BUT Arkansas upsets Missouri in last regular season game, then it would be Texas vs LSU in the SEC championship. If LSU somehow won the SEC championship game then they’d get an automatic bid into the playoffs with 3 losses and there would be still be 5 two loss SEC teams (Texas, Bama, Georgia, Ole Miss, & Tennessee).
Who gets left out?
Bama and Ole Miss beat Georgia.
Georgia beat Texas and Tennessee
Tennessee beat Bama.
So, does Texas get left out being the only team who hasn’t beaten any of the teams tied?
However, their 2nd loss came from SEC championship game so how do you penalize them for that?
Do they all make it? Seems crazy.
I have no idea.
@@jjacksonketchum The first tie breaker is overall record. LSU is currently below all of the 2-loss teams and would remain below them in this scenario.
Beyond this, if your scenario were to hold up, it would be Texas and Tennessee in the SEC championship as Tennessee is now favored over Georgia in two days. If Georgia then beats Tennessee, and Ole Miss wins out… they end up facing Texas in the SEC championship. Either them or Alabama.
If Ole Miss/Alabama beat Texas, they and Texas get in. If Texas wins, then it’s probably Texas and whomever between Ole Miss/Bama didn’t go to the championship.
LSU is virtually eliminated right now. A lot of upsets need to happen for them to get to the SEC championship game… and that’s their only shot at the playoff.
@@Unlitedsoul Not true. The first tie breaker is not overall record but I appreciate the feedback!
Truthfully this entire system is flawed. It's based on "eye tests", brand bias, and marketability. Why show a bracket every week whenever the only one that matters is the final reveal?
I disagree with his take. I think the committee should simply rank the best 25 teams (as they do) and not look at how that would affect the bracket whatsoever
It's very Disrespectful that everyone that is not a IU fan, just assumes Ohio State will beat IU? On paper Nortern Illinois was suppose to lose to ND. Vadebelt was suppose to lose to Bama.
That's how they always talk when ohio states in the conversation, that's exactly how all the pundits talked when oregon played them, even with oregon vs Michigan. These guys were seriously betting on Michigan, the bias is insane lol. The second ohio state or any other big blue blood like penn state or Michigan is in the conversation they don't even talk about the other team, it's pure glaze
I definitely like the weekly rankings instead of getting blind sided the end of the year like fsu
All this raking is showing is that you need to make your schedule as easily as possible and then win one big game and you’re in. Punishing teams for playing good schedules should not be a thing.
Just the playoff teams and the first ones out is a great idea, mainly for the committee because they can avoid answering questions of difficult scenarios because some reporters will fs question why is y ranked 15 but x ranked 19, and that doesn't even really matter.
Top 25 teams that the current top 10 has played this season.
#1 Oregon played against #13 Boise State and #2 Ohio State
#2 Ohio State played against #1 Oregon, #4 Penn State and later on this season against #5 Indiana
#3 Texas played against #11 Georgia and later this season against #15 Texas A&M
#4 Penn State played against #2 Ohio State
#5 Indiana hasn’t played any rank teams but is schedule to play against Ohio State
#6 Tennessee played against #9 Alabama, and is against #11 Georgia this Saturday
#7 BYU played against #14 SMU and #20 Kansas State
#8 Notre Dame played against #15 Texas A&M, #22 Louisville, and later this season against #16 Army
#9 Alabama played against #11 Georgia, #23 South Carolina, #6 Tennessee, #24 Missouri, #21 LSU
#10 Ole Miss played against #23 South Carolina, #21 LSU, #11 Georgia
Friendly reminder for the college championship match two season ago where it was GA vs TCU; TCU was lost one game in OT but then gotten destroyed by Georgia in the championship match. It’s easy to stay undefeated when you don’t play against any ranked teams.
I say college football playoffs should if it was up to me have it release the official playoffs bracket after thanksgiving rivalry weekend. Right now Indiana is undefeated but thanksgiving weekend will be there first match up of the season against a rank team. Like I know they are good against unranked teams but how are they against a high ranked team.
Love the Army hoodie!
Imagine going 13-0, winning your conference and still getting left out and now ppl are crying because their teams are getting screwed by the committee 😂 comical
They need to put out the rankings as a whole because conferences use them to decide tiebreakers within divisions.
This SEC bias is crazy. Results have to matter. This "good loss" stuff has to stop. Georgia gets beat by good teams but still get ranked higher than they should because they didn't get blown out? That's stupid.
You know, I have to agree. This is coming from an Ole Miss alum/fan. Ole Miss just blew out Georgia. Alabama also blew them out, as it only came back to within 10 points after Bama’s backups were put in the game. Georgia hasn’t been playing nearly as well as their ranking (or expectation) and should not be in position for the playoffs. That said, despite being 2 4th down stops from being undefeated, Ole Miss doesn’t deserve to be there either right now. Not as long as there are enough good, 1-loss teams in strong conferences still out there that can fill the bracket. Texas and Tennessee are the only SEC teams that should be in there, right now.
@@UnlitedsoulAlabama’s back ups did not come in lol
@@Unlitedsouland what if Georgia wins Saturday, beating the two teams you're talking about that should be in?
What do you mean have you not seen the playoffs rankings I can't say that about past years but this year the committee say the hell with the SEC. Go dawgs
@ I doubt they will, but it gives them an edge over Tennessee at that point. However, Georgia would need more 1-loss teams other than Tennessee to lose as well. Once we get down to only a couple of 1-loss teams that aren’t at the top of their conference… then we can start looking at 2-loss teams possibly getting in.
Just do the ranking for now. Then reveal the playoff bracket once after conference championships
For years the AP was the standard then back in the late 80's eatly 90's the CFB entered the picture and really messed things up. Expansion of yhe brackets and stoll leaving the decisions to people is still wrong. The NFL does not have a committee for the playoffs or style points just win.
it’s easy to follow
it doesnt matter with a p4/5 whatever you wanna call it conference anymore so its just the 5 highest ranked conference winners get in and then the remaining top 7 teams essentially get in so depending on where the 5 conference champs are ranked the remaining teams that get in could be anywhere between 1-12 but only 7 of those teams will get in 5 + 7 = 12 if people couldnt understand how i got there I believe the committee is just ranking the teams 1-25 and the bracket is being made out of those rankings so that the matchups are independent of rematch/how well a team travels/media pull all do not have a factor in placement I think this keeps it pretty fair i like the way its set up and it makes it so expansion is easy just add teams and keep the 5 highest champs as auto bids
Would it be a problem to do like the NBA, like we have top 25 teams, right? … So having the top 25, I was thinking of having them play each other, like 1 vs. 25 or 2 vs. 24, like that, and then who ever is left play for the championship, but would that be a worse problem than doing it the way the committee is doing it this way?
If army beats Notre Dame o boy
WHEN! Army beats Notre Dame!
Your high go home @@5algado
@@5algado hope so lol
CU is tough when shadeur is upright
11:54 Soooo you’re saying there’s a chance??..
No Pat that's dumb. They need to rank the teams and then the format of the bracket will reflect those rankings. So that if a Boise St. wins their conference championship, but Notre Dame and Iowa St have a higher seed, there is evidence of that reasoning. It's like in math class when you had to show your work. The bracket is the answer. The rankings is the committee showing their work. It's not complicated and should not be changed just because some people in Tuscaloosa are confused.
I think the opposite. They should only do the rankings. For those of us who want to analyze positions and create possible outcomes the rankings are a must. If a current conference champ loses their championship position, we need to know where they are dropping from (ie, what rank they are dropping from, not from their top 5 bracket spot)
No keep conference champs in. We dont need the big 10 and SEC having home field advantage because they're loved more.
It's not confusing...they rank the team, and then when they apply the rules to those ranked teams, we get the seeds. There are just a lot of people that don't care to learn about how it works.
I can't believe there are still dudes out there that think the power 4 conferences are guaranteed a spot in the playoff. They aren't. It's a pretty damn good bet, but that's because of how teams get ranked - not because there is anything in the rules about it.
Damn I can’t wait for Texas vs A&M, slap me silly Sally and call me drunk hot damn
Dafuq
Can we stop disrespecting BYU. They have the 2nd best strength of resume behind Oregon.
I really don’t think strength of schedule should be such a big thing because the SEC will probably all ways have a good strength because all of them are high end programs expected like one
It’s still a beauty pageant. Each conference champion should be in, with a handful of wildcards, but no more than two wildcards per conference.
If we don’t win, we don’t deserve to be there. Win or die.
Do they reseed after each round?
Say the 12 seed knocks off the 5 seed in rounds-1. Would the 12 seed still play the 4 seed in round 2 or would they play the 1 seed?
Not a fan of how they currently seed these teams. I don't mind that conference champs get automatic bids, but automatically giving them top 4 seeds and bye just don't make sense. Can you imagine a 4-loss conference champ and rank #25 getting a first round bye?
They played a championship they had to play an extra game. 5-12 can be teams who didnt even have to play in a championship like notre dame. Championship byes are 100% legit
as an SEC fan, it sucks that the SEC isnt as strong as years past, our teams this year are definitely over hyped, but at the same time, the Big 10 having that many teams ranked that high is even more of a joke considering they dont play anybody. And the Big 10 cant even use the excuse of playing each other, because theyre all trash. But, I do love the chaos and finally having a 12 team playoff just makes it that much more interesting. As someone else said in the comments, I wish they would have used the BCS rankings due to bias of a committee.
If they put out the bracket for what it would be they’re just predicting who will win the conference championship. It’s not that hard
How is Miami above SMU?
How LSU and MIzzu still ranked?.....except to give the SEC guys who beat them a boost for strength of schedule.
No auto byes. Just Auto qualify.
The BCS rankings were the most objective ranking format, the only problem was that there were only two teams that got to play for the championship.
the ranking (as opposed to the seed) is not useless for teams in the bracket. if we just saw miami was seeded 4 this week, they could be ranked anywhere from 7-13 and we’d have no clue. if byu and osu swapped spots, miami could be ranked 4-13 and we’d have no clue. we’d ask ourselves can miami afford a close loss in the acc title game and still get in and have no clue bc if they were at 4 then ofc they could and jf they’re at 13 then absolutely not. eliminating the ranking and only showing the seed eliminates a huge amount of transparency about the rankings (and we barely have any to begin with). it’s not that hard to understand. regardless, the committee just comes up with a top 25, it’s espn making the bracket on the screen and putting in auto bids for clicks. the committee doesn’t care about auto bids - they don’t really decide them. they’re just ranking the top 25 so that when selection day comes, they can extract the 5 best champs and then the 7 best at larges. simple as that. blame espn for their program if you’re confused
Colorado shouldn't be above WSU when they have 2 losses? Smh. Always hating on WSU
WSU has a pretty weak schedule
Colorado has played some decent teams. Texas tech is good, Cincinnati is good as well.
Lmao wsu have one of the easiest schedules of all time!!! Plus if they played we all know colorado would smoke them.😂
@@cooldudecs Washington State beat Texas Tech worse than Colorado did.
Wazzu plays a group of five schedule lmao. The only good team they played was Boise State and they got dominated. 🤡
The other conferences catching up isn't their fault the big 10 the top teams could never play eachother so could have a few undefeated teams inflating them regardless of how good they are
The bracket being put out is pointless until the conference champions are crowned…I don’t see why it’s confusing…yes it could’ve been slotted 1 thru 12 but they chose to make conference champions matter…
The rankings exist so they can’t rank the at large teams after the bye’s have been figured out
Gotta rank the 25 for all the money invested into each progrum. The ranking means something to them suits.
If you lose don't cry do better. Ether win out or be subjective to the committee.
There should be a Northeast, Southeast, Northwest and South West Conference. Each conference has two divisions each with 10 teams. That’s 40 teams bidding for 12 spots.
Ohio State is one play from the being undefeated period. They are going on a mission and will be a tough out in the Playoffs! Go Buckeyes!
My idea for the bye week the top three Conference champions get the Bye, and the fourth by goes to the best team remaining
The AP is trashm those first two weeks shouldn't be ranked
More like not until after they begin conference play/1st month... they rank bc they know ppl will froth at the mouth to see (their) team ranked well, generating interest (revenue) and sparking debate ALL season long...
People need to quit thinking top 12 ranked get into the playoff. Rankings are just a tool for filling the bracket
Maybe if the SEC wasn’t such a Jekyll and Hyde conference this wouldn’t be an issue. Big 10 top teams just don’t lose to teams they shouldn’t.
Maybe if the Big 10 teams had a little more competition they would.
@@helluvatime4562 Big 10 is a much better conference than SEC and has been for years now. SEC is only propped up by ESPN. SEC loses to everyone not named SEC
@@Chris-ey8zf Last time I checked the SEC has 6 National Championships in the last 10 years and the rest of the country has 4. Big 10 has 2.
The disrespect for Tennessee is laughable at this point
You havent won jack sht in years and you lost to Arkansas. Beat UGA for once and youll get some respect.
Feels so weird seeing IU at 5. Hoosiers all the way baby!!
I just hope we dont smoke ur ass in two wreks..i want iu to be in the playoffs here hoeping my bucks dont best yall by more thj 20
The reason I’ll never be able to really get into college football is all the deep rooted bias
i thought this playoff format was supposed to make things easier
It wouldn't matter if they had 16 teams. They would find a way to fck it up... and that's college football football baby...
4 seed Boise State would be awesome
I mean the Big 10 literally has 4 good teams and like 12 dogwater teams, none of them are battle tested until they pick eachother off but all of them would be 10th or worse in the SEC, can't wait for them to lose 65-7.
pat with the holy jeans today
I think they should rank it the way it seats for the playoffs don't put the team that's going to be the fourth seed at 9 put them at 4
If Georgia gets left out I will be pissed
They want the drama, just look at mainstream media the last 4 years.
College football Jumped the shark, after nearly 50 years, I’m out
I'm glad it's expanded but let's face it. It's not a playoff to crown a Nat Champ. It's still a "beauty contest" based on ticket sales and TV ratings. The old cronies from the Big10 and SEC don't ever want a march madness style true national championship style tournament playoffs. 16 team playoff - 9 Conf Champs and 7 at-large is the ideal playoffs. They know it would make the most money but they don't want the G5 to make equal playoff $$$. Greedy bastards!!
How? would the 6-2 division tie favor Alabama when Tennessee beat Alabama already? Also Im predicting Tenn to beat Georgia. That means we've beaten Georgia and an Alabama team that beat Texas. So Tennessee ranked #2 behind undefeated Oregon?