The Philosophy of Barbie | Slavoj Žižek
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I'm a Barbie girl and so on and so on.
I claim
precisely!
Sniff
I don't know y this was so funny 😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Writing an essay about a movie without watching it is SO Zizek lmao.
He once had written a critical review of 2019's Joker only to say he liked it after eventually watching it which is even funnier
hahahahaahaha
Pure ideology!!
Slavoj a protomodel for redditors
So the guy didn't even watch the movie? Then there's no point in me even watching this video.
@@darlenegriffith6186Are you wittingly implying that there was even a single individual who went to see the Barbie movie not knowing literally, exactly everything that was going to transpire in it?
For all of you that are ridiculing Slavoj for "slurping" and "licking" his lips, please consider that much of it is caused by tics - which he can't control. I imagine ridiculing him doesn't help him nor make it easier for you, it's just rude. If it bothers you that much then you don't have to watch the video.
You must be kidding. I will train an AI model of him to read me bedtime stories.
He looks like he has had many strokes
In this respect, I gladly agree - do not blame him for doing that.
English is also like his 5th language. If you watch speak in Slovene or Serbian, all of that goes away.
Why address this at all? Stop virtue signaling. If someone is going to criticize him for his ticks, we should ignore them.
This is actually a deleted scene from Barbie. In the Director's Cut this takes place just after the bit where Ken explains The Godfather.
😅
😁
write an article about a movie you haven't watched and then watch a pirated copy of it to confirm you were right. what a gigachad
And so his chadness continues and so on and so on.
Did you listen at all to argument being made? I mean, 'disagree' or whatever, it's not the kind of observation one can agree or disagree with. 'No, the Barbie movie isn't an instance of some sort of veil of fantasy which might constitute the human relation to 'reality'...' I mean, I guess you might, but to do so misses the point, maybe? I'm not sure he was really passing judgement on the movie in the first place, and he's not experiencing confirmation bias, ya great pillock.
And what in Jesus' name is a Chad. Do you have any sense at all of where 'Chad' comes from or what it means in context. Are you a wee child?
I agree he's a cool guy, but he himself stated that he played it safe when it came to his observations.
He's a expert in doing so 😂
I like how he said "oh just a pirate copy at home" what a savage
In his review of Matrix IV he said "Every reader has for sure noticed that, in my description of the movie, I rely quite heavily on a multitude on reviews, which I extensively quote. The reason is now clear: in spite of its occasional brilliance, the film is ultimately not worth seeing, which is why I also wrote this review without seeing it."
😂
What a boss
Legend.
That's how it should be done
Unbelievably based
4:16 I love how every other person I've seen on the show refers to Alex's viewers as "your viewers" but since you have a proclaimed marxist on the show, he calls us "OUR viewers", beautiful.
I mean he's actually said he'd describe himself as a Hegelian rather than a Marxist, like he said in the video he can be quite critical of pure Marxism.
h e g e l i a n
@@thomaspickin9376 true, nonetheless, he doesn't deny marxism having influence on his thoughts, rather admits it, it's not like you can only subscribe to one line of thought. And hey, it was a joke anyway
@@polmccharmly6293I don't think anyone who has read and comprehended marxist ideology can truthfully state "Marxism doesn't have influence on my thoughts.". Simply put, your experiences determine what you think, both conscious and subconscious thoughts.
@@polmccharmly6293 Oh yeah, like the previous guy said, anyone who's read Marx might say Marxism could influence their thoughts. Just he's been referred to as a 'Marxist' before and doesn't really like it now.
I mean even Marx himself said "je ne suis pas marxiste" - I am not a Marxist, to distance himself from the ideologues who were claiming to be.
I know it was a joke though too 🙂.
The thought of zizek torrenting barbie
😂
I don't think I could have ever predicted Zizek's thoughts on Barbie, and yet was still surprised when he started talking about hardcore pornography.
He is awesome lmao
The movie ending with Barbie getting a vagina was kinda a zizek joke anyways
Man literally just brings a laundry list of things he wants to talk about and figures out how to get there. And it's always somehow more fulfilling than if he was more straightforward lol
@@OConnelsSideOfDaRiverahahhaah truly)
Slavoj has read the I Pornographer series which is a full on education for all men of this living day
Lol zizek pirating barbie is so funny
Bro is from ex yugoslavia we all pirate everything
😂😂
I noticed Zizek's bookshelf. He has at least TWO copies of every book. Kinda like me -- One for reading and underlining etc, one to keep nice and new
This would be nice to do for my books. But if I bought two of each, I'd bankrupt myself 😂
To me it smells ill-headed. 😧
Taking a stand against commodity fetishism by buying two of everything 👌👌
I get a nice hardcover and a beater paperback when I can!
They could just be his own books in different languages. Writers like to collect them
Hearing Zizek say 'barbie' is just so funny to me
Sounds a lot how I remember the pronunciation of Klaus Barbie.....
Bar-B
Why... don't you know he has a huge collection of Barbiedolls...? 🤣
This man must be protected at all costs
Zizek can only become Baudrillard at this point
I love how everyone that interviews Salvoj pretends to understand what he is saying, but their facial expressions betrayed them.
I understand Slavoj most of the time and it actually scares me at this point.
😂😂😂😂
Now that's gold 😁
I think this was pretty straightforward...the facial expression here was more first "OMG we seriously just went from talking about Barbie to hardcore porn" and then "oh...that makes sense" lol
Zizek makes insane jumps but ties everything back together if you are patient enough
'You're going to tell me, wait a minute, I heard... it's fantastic to be made of plastic... which it is, but only, and this part is crucial, ONLY when you are in Barbie world'
Alex, Slavoj, and Barbie is a combination I never thought I'd see
Welcome to postmodernism.
"A pirate copy at my home" LEGEND!!! 🤣🤣🤣 yeeeeees!!!
Even Zizek 😅
Zizek always goes on the strangest tangents... sometimes have to think rather hard to understand what he's trying to say.
Yeah it’s a tiny bit annoying, it’s hard to see why he’s so highly revered it always seems like he’s going on about nothing
Yes I followed him from Barbie to fantasies and from Barbie to illusions but I was still waiting to see how he got back again. I'm still not sure what point he was making about Barbie.
@@zuthandrapus799Because what he says out loud is not why he's so revered. He's revered because of his work....
@@Acanthophis I see, I’ll have a proper google at some point if I remember
@leonais1 you did not understand his point? He's saying that we live our entire lives through fantasy, through myth, through narrative making. Iow, were constantly hallucinating a story, a dream. We cannot do anything, like sex, without it.
Ofc he didnt see it, just trying to imagine slavoj siting in the cinema, watching barbie made me burst out laughing
Imagining him going out of his way to torrent it and watch it alone is just as funny
Alex was a host here on a level that can only be described as an internet provider
😅😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
This is the most insightful and articulate point I've ever seen him make.. honestly... and the fact that he gets thru multiple minutes without compulsively clawing his face off makes it clear to me that whatever Tourette's medecation he's trying does wonders.
I think Zizek misses that in the pornographic scene, the actor cannot exist within the real, because he is producing the ideal/imagined for others. The actor then goes for the imagined as it's been provided for him; the consumer.
The actor, with a real sexual partner of their choosing, is not analogous to the production of the imagined experience, no matter if the topic and image seems the same.
Big nuance miss if you ask me
Excellent point! But does it not link back to Žižek's point about commodity fetishism, where now the commodity has become Ideology, in that all experience of the everday can now be bought through the commodity, offering a spectical or fantasy (or the hyper real, as Baudrillard would say) in place of what would be experienced once outside the commodity.
I personally understand Žižek point as (and as a disclaimer, I've been reading Henri Lefebvre's Critique of everyday life, which is fresh in my mind and the lens of which I'm understanding Žižek) the commodification of the everday, to the point that he most private, intermate, and vulnerable acts of social engagement has itself become a public one (through the gaze of the paying consumer) which has now overtaken the real act of sex in favour of a consumer product.
Instead of, that is, focusing on just the actor and the ironic twist where he must arouse himself through the spectical. Rather it is the framing itself rather than the content I understood
I agree with you, however I think his point still stands even if that particular illustrative example doesn't quite
OMG he totally cannot exist within the real! lol Exactly. The actor goes for the imagined as it's been provided for him; the consumer. It's pretty obvious when you think about it : )
Good point, and as far as I understood it he recognizes that aspect when referencing to Bentham. Reminds me of Deleuze encouraging to (me parpahrasing) "painting oneself gray on gray" as to say confronting the real in fiction one can in some perverted way experience directly the hyperreal. I'm also a moron so don't take my word on this :)
So happy to have scrolled far enough to find people interested in what he's saying, and not just memes 😐
Zizek is the ultimate film student lol
"It's one of those nice french movies with a romance between mother and son I like this" lmao😂
The movie Cool World, from over thirty years ago, deals with the converse, in a way. A story about taking refuge in a fantasy to get away from the real world.
Yes
I love every interview I see with this man.
Read Žižek his first work and you understand where he is coming from. His devotion to Lacan and Hegel reveals him as a deeply reflective existentialist mystic shorn of outward spirituality. He is the only philosopher of academic background out there I know of who can take on communism, religion, materialism and capitalism etc with such humour, irony, informed naivety and the eye of the subject sub specie aeterni.
The unfocused mind contains demons.
idle hands are the devils playthings
@@macstrong1284 The unfocused mind is the Devil's plaything.
The Zizek principle: never watch a movie before reviewing it!
makes me happy to hear him say he has a pirate copy of barbie at home lol
Reminds me of that passage where Sartre describes doing it and sorta being "in the moment" because he is so much into existence that sex for him was just really pressing your existence against someone elses existence.
Do you remember which work of his this passage is in? I’d very much like to read it lol
@@ek3884 i think it was Nausea
I discovered I should never entertain thoughts anything like
the thought that asked
why am I doing this.
And ever since that discovery
I've been able to avoid those lust corrosive thoughts.
Perhaps that's where the phrase,
"just do it" ,
came from.
@@REDPUMPERNICKELironic that phrase “just do it” is now commodified like everything else
What a fascinating thinker. It’s difficult not to compare this moment with the recent Hitchens interview. The setup here-Zizek writing on films he has not yet seen-seems more prone to the kind buffoonery Hitchens engaged in, and yet Zizek handles it perfectly in stride and in the generous spirit in which he is being interviewed. He takes the opportunity to address the potential critique head-on, then uses the platform to explain the impetus for his analysis. Had Hitchens framed himself so eloquently, he might have gained a fan or two rather than further alienate himself and his work. Kudos, Alex, looking forward to checking out the full interview, thank you for your work!
My main reason for finally watching Oppenheimer was so that I could finish that nuclear war podcast of yours, and now you're trying to get me to watch Barbie?
Haven't you considered that I'm broke?
😂
Just do the Zizek.
And don't watch or 🏴☠️. 😉
Marxists tend to be broke
@@Eli-jb2ym I haven't paid to see a movie in the cinema since 2004. I certainly wouldn't have paid to see Barbie. 😁😁
Bruh, just sit home, and drink some whiskey. Plan a way out of brokeness.
"A pirate copy at my home and so on" 😂
He's the boss
Can't wait for the full podcast
How long till it's typically public?
end of the week for free already up on his patreon@@kevin4680
You have to pay to watch it fully
@@germancamacho5352 So all the other within reason episodes on the channel are incomplete versions?
@@kevin4680 no you only have to pay for early access
I never expected to see zizek talking about barbie, but that's extremely based.
Why wouldn't you expect it? Talking about film is his specialty. He has probably commented on most recent western movies of greater cultural import.
5:00 "I pirated a copy at my home and so on..."
I love this guy.😂
Amazing Zizek, as usual. Insightful with subtleties no one else could unover and express the same way.
You're right about the latter part lol
Love that guy, I'll go watch the podcast episode.
Was looking for this. I knew he would have something to say about that movie.
We need an AI of him singing Barbie Girl
th-cam.com/video/8K8dN2zIKCY/w-d-xo.html
It already exists... as a duet with Ayn Rand
We need it now.....
you don't need the AI, you need the fantasy
The point on Freud is interesting. I understand the final scene of the Barbie more now. It’s like the girl’s mother emerged into an infant asexual (which is at the same time highly sexual) fantasy world to sort out her issues. Then she reconnects with her husband (we can see that they are finally doing smth together, and he was learning the language to speak with her in her native tongue, so it wasn't like he didn't care). On the contrary, Barbie “grows up” from the infant world by accepting her mortality, so now she has a vagina.
And as far as I understood, Zizek is actually saying that he liked Barbie after he watched it
He will like it when he will watch it😂 future tense😂
@@MZBS639you weren’t paying attention.
Zizek analyzes the Barbie movie, calling it complex. We're living in the best possible world!
I don’t think he was saying that the movie was complex, just that the relationship between fiction and reality in the film is complex. Which is certainly true since the fantasy world is influenced by the thoughts of people in the real world, people from each world can go into the others, the narrator of the movie is aware that the entire story is fictional, but the company depicted in the fictional story is a real company who made it possible for the movie to exist.
You the man ❤
Okay but did he enjoy the movie?
Yes
That thumbnail, whoever did that is an artist!
This is brilliantly insightful. It's also unhinged gibberish. A concentrated tincture of Zizek essence, if you will.
i love slavoj zizek so much
I'm a bit confused what all that had to do with Barbie.
Seems like he saw the Matrix scene with the two shoes and went on matrix tangents.
Not much.
I think he’s more talking about fiction which depicts a “fictional” world and a “real” world (think The Wizard of Oz, any Isekai anime, ect).
The tangent is sort of about how this reflects a trait of humanity of fantasising about reality whilst simultaneously participating; of not being totally “present” but perceiving reality through a biased lens of how it could be different or better (a “fantasy”). TLDR: Barbie = Critical Realism
The discussion of the need for fantasy even when you are "experiencing the thing you fantasize about in real life" is SO INTERESTING.
It is of course true. It is as if the need behind seggs is more than reality can provide for you, so you need both the idealized world of the fantasies and the immediacy of real life, to get there!
I don't despise fantasy. In a novel you get to "visit" a world without consequense for yourself. When you shut the book after the last page, nothing has happened that you need to answer for.
But sometimes you have to experience to understand .. practice makes .. well, MORE perfect!
Reality tend to smell a bit more than fantasy, but you can't beat REAL (from time to time) 😉
That is exactly how I felt the first time I had sex. I literally just wanted it to be over at the time, so that I could think about it in retrospect. It was only then that it felt real to me.
@@john.premose Good point!
Of course, first time is almost always rough (for anybody). It's very, very intimate and feels like "too much" compared to anything you had done before. I bet that as you got used to it, it was easier to stay in the moment and enjoy what you where doing, right?
I was a fervent (and horny) young Christian myself, so the first time for me was "a sin"
Ah, memories! 🤣🤣
But you are right: the physical and the mental play different, but indispensable roles in our enjoyment regime. .. Got to have both!
@@busylivingnotdying to be honest it still never lived up to what it should be. I still pursue it, but as soon as it starts its almost like a chore to be done lol
@@john.premose I hear you!
To me it very much depended on who I was with .. and of course, these days, the ideals and expectations are perhaps getting a bit out of hand.. and tend to interfere with immediacy and "letting loose"
Or I'm just getting old 😁
This is the crossover I didn't know I needed
7:05 it's stuff like that that makes me like him so much. he's as much a comedian as a philosopher in some sense
Fantasies are definitely a powerful and much needed driving force but damn they're easy to abuse
He's not saying they're useful, or needed. He's saying they're inevitable.
@@LuisManuelLealDiasAnd he wasnt sayin he did, and you are not sayin he is saying he did, although it seems a little bit implied to me
Somehow i undrestood nothing
What an effing legend!
This reminds me of how an LLM answered a movie question (credit to Dunkey):
‘Have you seen Captain America?’
‘Yes.’
‘Have you seen Guardians of the Galaxy?’
‘No.’
‘Which is better?’
‘Guardians of the Galaxy.’
‘But you didn’t even see it!’
‘Doesn’t matter.’
LLM???
Am I supposed to know what an LLM is?
@@nandoflorestanLarge Language Model. The type of AI that ChatGPT belongs to.
Gotta love Slavoj
has alex read Sublime Object? what a concept!
So in terms of Barbie the movie is a commodified and co-opted fantasy of Feminism? I guess like V for Vendetta is a commodified vision of revolutionary praxis. A fantasy that maintains the controlled opposition as well as allowing people to let off steam so that they can then go back to work on Monday morning without thinking about taking a gun or a bomb with them, or actually trying to change the system in real life - then again some Baudrillardian or Lacanian is gonna ask me, to quote Queen: is this the real life?
Interesting point! The Barbie movie is a work of art that cannot go all the way in its messaging because of, well, the corporations who own the IP and the system that produced it. The paradox is you can't make that same message if you don't use Barbie. It highlights the challenge of trying to deliver a message that challenges the status quo when working within the framework of a well-established and commercially-driven franchise like Barbie.
@@pichitosmalltown3239 I suppose like the whole 'you can't destroy the masters house with his own tools' thing. But then that is presuming the master isn't staging a fake rebellion in order to crush it in front of you leading you to believe it is useless trying anything. And that's ontop of rebellion as entertainment. Are you not entertained? Shouts Ken with arms raised to the crowd in the style of Gérard Butler's Gladiator. (And, of course the biggest point of all, was anyone really trying to change anything with the Barbie movie in the first place, or just cynically make money right from the outset by piggybacking off of feminism?)
@@ograda3120 kind of, but it's slightly different, in that it claims to be politically/philosophically progressive, whereas music usually isn't. There are some cases, I guess like Rage Against the Machine. Says me, literally in the gym right now listening to aggressive electronic music. 🙄
@@ograda3120 what you are told not to do. Remember, governments and various political groups have their own biases. It's the people that should decide what the people do. If that's staging a coup, it isnt automatically a bad thing depending on the context.
@@ograda3120 not sure what you mean by the beer with buddies thing, unless you mean a kind of stereotype. However I don't drink. I'm a bit of a nerd, (I make synth music, visual art, poetry) but unlike the nerd stereotype I look like a gym rat, keeps my ADHD in check, and my health in general, big fan of gymnastic calisthenics.
Psychologically, people used to talk about sublimation, drives channeled into various activities. Frued thought it all boiled down to reproduction drives but I don't think it's that simple, however you can see some of that at work in porn and how it effects people, that's why there's so many dopamine detox groups online, or people talking about it at least. On a mass scale, political groups and even corporations selling you stuff would definately want to control that to various extents.
It is a kind gesture to listen to the ramblings of the disabled.
How fortunate are we to live in a world in which Slavoj Zizek exists. Moreover, how lucky are we to have so many representations of him across a variety of forums in which we can observe him in all his hair-fluffing, glasses-reorienting, nose-wiping glory!
Also, clearly, I'm not the first to point this out, but it seems obvious that Robert Smigel - whether consciously or subconsciously - incorporated Zizek's accent into his characterization of Triumph the Insult Comic Dog, no?
I like how in that article he just kinda brushes over the two blockbusters so he can plug Boots Riley's new show in which he cameo.
I'm here for Alex
Yes Freuds insight is super important And Jung and especially James Hillman picks this up but Zizek has his theoretical limitations as we all do.
I think Slavoj has multiple identical copies of the same books , and he knows we can see them. Perhaps this phenomenon encapsulates a subliminal message.
I doubt it. Either he has extras to write on and underline to keep the original fresh, or they are simply the first, second, and third volumes in the series. If you look closely they arent the same.
He's a professor, isn't he? He would have a reading copy and a working copy.
The literary posturing is out in force
slavoj talking about barbie is so funny
I really liked the final twist of his opinion
That is why Freud is still relevant.
must be cool to be described with the same adjective as Jeremy Bentham by Zizek. :D
Hi Alex
Brilliant
The iPhone but is really something horrifying to consider what the phone has become for a long while now because it has a battery life.
Žizeks analysis of real and fantasy (although obviously Psychoanalytic) feels very Baudrillardian (and maybe even Rancièrian with his emphasis on story).
Especially when Žižek points towards the idea that the illusion (fantasy) and the real world are not seperate things but exist within the same fold.
Even more Baudrillardian would to to further say (as Žižek does) how then we must always return to or consult the fantasy (Baudrillard may have used the image, simulacrum or even spectical), becoming more real than the real event itself. Žižek illustrates this point brilliantly with reference to pornography, where the pornogrphic actor must first watch porn before becoming aroused, despite being in the real event itself. Baudrillard calls this the 'Hypereal' and it is how ideology interpolates us
Had to drop your French philosophy vocabulary somewhere, eh? Won't hold it against you. We all try to sound smart every now and then..
I think you meant *spectacle (that was moreso Debord, but related concept) and *interpellate (Althusser).
At least you genuinely tried to make it make sense. In fairness, pointing out the relation to Baudrillard is certainly reasonable.
@@vantahawk2834 my apologies. I didn't intend to name drop to sound smart, I'm more just excited to have a discussion about it; Žižek is one of my favourite philosophers, but I've also read French Philosophers alongside Žižek. So I couldn't help but make the connection.
Thankyou for your correction. Unfortunately spelling mistakes have become habitual due to my dyslexia. And yes, my use of the word Spectacle was indeed deliberate, as there is a clear connection between Debords work and Baudrillard's. Although Baudrillard was far more pessimistic and unlike Debord, doesn't beleive there is anything outside of spectacle, hence his use of simulacra or the hypereal.
I'm glad you considered my connection to be at the least reasonable. I'd love to hear any thoughts!
I was really trying to follow is reasoning especially since he added Freud as a reference I just knew I would catch on. As of now, I am still lead to believe he went on an elderly tangent.
You think he was greying from the path?
@@FartPanther I don't know what you are asking me.
I unfortunately felt the same
Why is the whole vid only available on patreon 😭😭😭
Fantasy IS always at work!
The minute I saw the first trailer for Barbie. My first thought that came into my head was. I wonder what Slavoj take on it would be??
This was hard to follow. Not sure what he's even trying to get at half the time.
"watch the full episode by clicking the link on the screen" no link on screen, and full ep not on channel, is it unlisted or something?? :(
I read Jeremy Bentham in college thought it was funny he had himself preserved like a mummy in a library in a glass case. Very utilitarian and so on and so forth .
lol he’s actually the first thing you see when you walk into the UCL student centre, which is way busier than the libraries.
I like cosmicskeptic microphone
3:30 I wold say even Aristotle knew that in his Poetic and the notion verisimilitude which brings the catartic process
Freud's beyond the pleasure principle is based entirely on ancient Greek sources, as is a lot of what he said. I have found something he said that also Cicero said. It was "Late in life the worst troubles will strike you as the most beautiful." Something like that
"Iucunda memoria est praeteritorum malorum " - Cicero, De finibus bonorum et malorum
"Pleasant is the memory of past troubles." Freud also says this but i forget where
4:32
He is licking his lips with his eyes crossed lol
Me too. I have never watched Barbie neither Oppenheimer and I will never be enchanted by the singing of the harpies. I am a so called homosexual. I am against every kind of labels of this brutal social system.
I was actually hoping for a discussion on the philosophy of the new Barbie movie. Most of the discussions are either about anti-woke idiots complaining about it or else it is people making metacritiques on the capitalist dystopia that the success of this film represents (Broey Deschanel has a great one that I highly recommend despite the fact that I disagree with the direction she took her analysis) . But I have seen very little discussion at anything above a surface level on the actual film, which I personally found fascinating.
I saw the film as Gloria's fantasy while at work. She works for a soulless corporation selling body image issues to little girls in the form of fantasy dolls. She imagines what it would be like for that doll to have a little more realism. She imagines what it would be like for that doll to walk down Venice Beach and we see not a completely realistic portrayal of the kind of sexism she would face there, but the heightened version that would be the perception of someone actually facing it, where when it happens, it is all you can see. She imagines her daughter confronting this icon that she helps create and proudly imagines her calling Barbie a tool of fascist oppression (probably not technically accurate to the meaning of the word "fascism", but a fantasy that one might realistically have about their daughter). When she imagines her bosses, the ones running the corporation, they are just as fake as the doll world. The real world in the film ranges on its level of realism, depending on how Gloria sees it. Her daughter is real. The patriarchy is exaggerated. Her bosses are entirely fictional characters. She doesn't know the CEO of Mattel. That person might as well not even exist to her, even though that's who is control over her ability to pay her bills and feed her daughter.
When she imagines the conflict in Barbieland, her corporate overlords are planning to ride in and save the day, but in the end they are completely useless and might as well not even be there. What actually saves the day is a rant about feminism that convinces people to vote and their votes immediately change the entire society. That cannot be understood as anything but either idiocy or a neoliberal fantasy. And Greta Gerwig is not an idiot. But I do believe she would like to fantasize that neoliberal ideas actually work, because we seem to be stuck with them whether they work or not. So you might as well dream about them working even if playing it out only demonstrates how futile the idea that you can just tell people your opinion and then tell them to vote and that actually is enough to change society is the least believable part about a world where everything is fake.
I do think the film was hurt by studio meddling. Gerwig has said she cut very little because Mattel cut so much. I'd like to have seen a director's cut where she could go harder at the corporation. But that's why the metacritiques are correct. I just don't think the metacritiques take away from the interest in an actual film analysis.
The patriarchy in the movie wasn't exaggerated at all.
In the beginning it shows the potential of what women could be if they decentered men from their lives the way men decenter women.
Men don't embark on their life journey focusing on being a husband and father. They focus on themselves and their pursuit of a dream for the same of the dream itself.
Women for millennia have been programmed to do the opposite and to this day are vilified for it.
@@unmothered333 I noticed that among the things they were doing was overturning Citizens United. Something I work on actively. The notion that just let women be in charge instead of men and suddenly everything will be perfect is a fantasy. ABSOLUTELY women should be empowered and have control. But there are also terrible women. You want to argue less of them are terrible? Maybe. I won't argue. But the patriarchy doesn't come from inherent differences between men and women as much as it does from the systems that incentivize oppression of all sorts. And the same systems were present there, with the fantasy that if women occupy them, they'll magically be good. Like Hillsry Clinton isn't just as much a neoliberal as Joe Biden (obviously better than Trump, but still a steward of the system rather than anyone who would have brought change).
excellent comment. It really is a shame that people are not criticizing this correctly, that is, never going into it enough, only addressing it superficially, which is a bit ironic considering what the marketing for that movie was about, people really convinced themselves that they wanted to discuss things through that movie just to not do so.
I don't think the story suffers so much due to studio meddling as much as you do however. Because I genuinely think and have always had since the first 2001 like trailer that this movie would never get farther than that, I'm actually pretty impressed at how far she was able to go with that idea, it's deeper than I thought it could've ever been. Because there's really no way to truly make something transgressive, as the feminist bits aspire to be, or actually forward thinking, with that base idea at all. It was never gonna be more than this plastic, fake, futile, and superficial fantasy that cozies up to the neoliberal status quo and takes no daring stance, doesn't compromise, and honestly promised what it would be impossible to give. You can't make a barbie movie that criticizes the machine. They could never make the movie the marketing was pretending they were making. Of course the patriarchy and the opression in that movie is exaggerated, they can't make an actual movie about real violence to women, that'd be a downer, and mattel is not a human rights ngo.
@@RenegadeShepard69 I don't think the movie preserves the neoliberal status quo. The Barbie character does. But in the movie, this particular Barbie is explicitly the imaginings of Gloria. That's how she got cellulite in the beginning. And she is a fascist tool of a nameless corporate CEO just as useless as her own fake world. In that way, while the CHARACTER supports the neoliberal status quo, I think the FILM is criticizing it. And that's how Greta Gerwig got away with a film that has a message deeper than what Mattel would be willing to say. The characters say one thing, but the film says another.
In a meta way, Gerwig IS Gloria. She is the one imagining Barbie and bringing her to life while her nameless corporate CEO boss at Mattel oversees all in a manner that is utterly useless and ineffectual.
What you are saying always leads to the few getting total power. Without Democracy we are screwed. It may work for 10 years. It worked for Rome for a while after democracy ended... but was the cause of its end
huuuuh i swear i seen someone talking about this idea on a yt short of a tiktok clip or sumthn, didn't knew it was Freud's hahahahaa
The basis of all our knowledge comes from the the basis of an error we have all agreed upon, as Kant pretty much invented a faculty that we base things off of.
Sums up the toxicity of journalism in the 21st century: sensationalism > facts, headlines > news.
lmao i love how barbie's philosophy and politics is more popular than oppenheimer's
so how to get rid of the influences that have already been imprinted on your mind and memory from fictions?!
You cannot survive without illusions, they're interwoven with reality. There is no 'before' illusions.
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Good interview!
Alex looks like he is confused and uncomfortable but willing to let Zizek finish, so "our viewers" will hear it from Zizek.
Off topic but I have a question, you’ve said before that you’re a non-resistant nonbeliever. I’m curious if you would still feel the same if you looked at the god of scripture in a different light? I’m a non-resistant unbeliever myself but I used to study the Bible and have the opinion that (if the Bible were true) god has determined everything, even the salvation and damnation of everyone. If this *were* true, would you still be a non resistant unbeliever or would you change to a resistant unbeliever? Thanks!!
Does Zizek understand what being a porn actor entails?
When you have sex with dozens of women every month, year in, year out, things change.
Also, porn actors aren't there for their own gratification (although it's their job to PRETEND that they are), they're there to deliver a scene, they need to remain hard and delay the orgasm for as long as it's required (or force the orgasm if it's taking too long).
My guess is that it reaches a point where it's not pleasure anymore, it's work that requires messing with base instincts and impulses in unnatural ways.
I imagine that having sex ends up becoming a stressful and consuming chore, so I can understand why a porn actor would need to resort to watching porn on the phone in order to get aroused again.
Spectators get to enjoy the show, carefree... but actors much do the work, which isn't necessarily pleasant.
In other words: as a spectator, it goes up... as an actor, it goes down.
And then the spectator can no longer perform in real life if watching it through a screen for too long.
You dont think people watch dozens of porn movies and masturbate dozens of times a week?
It isn't sex. It's sexual exploitation. Rape.
@Goreuncle Of course, but it looks a lot smarter if you can make it all about the "Real" and other bullshit concepts
"Life imitates art". Humanity can never achieve true sincerity unless one can exist without the escapism/validation from fiction. Society will morph around fictitious ideas and never stabilize to a static truth. We are desperate without inspiration.
This is what happens when you spend your whole life trying to complicate the simple, instead of just enjoying life.
He is a philosopher? 🤦♂️
I thought I was losing Zizek for a bit (I don't hear him speak a lot and I only understand Murican) but his point actually clicked with the porn example. Despite how I was like hoooold upppp initially when he went there LOL.
murican 😂
@@rini9325 Yessir, he was spittin' English, but he wasn't speakin' the Murican my country bumpkin ears are adjusted to. 😅
I like a lot how Zizek intentionaly uses shocking or controversial or extremely popular topics to help people relate,understand and pay attention to his points. He is a very pop and "clickbait" oriented philosopher, that's why he is so famous today.
It’s all good we got Gravenberch in as the ‘ generic world class midfielder’ 😂
Is something said? At some point Baudrillard's "hyperreality" (concept of Supernormal stimulus, in science) is glimpsed, but little else.
It’s true Bentham spoke deeply and profoundly on Barbie.