This Old Tony's OPUS!
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- Filing and Sawing Machine?! starts at 11:00
This is an old machine: scrap metal by today's standards, but in a home shop? ... probably still scrap metal, but so far I'm impressed.
Special thanks to Adam of ABOM79. Check him out @ / abom79
Music (in order of appearance)
"Orbital Romance" - Sir Cubworth
"Hyped" & "Wistful Harp" - Andrew Huang
"Clover 3" - Vibe Mountain
Back in my day, we filed by hand. Uphill. In the snow.
both ways too
With a boner? Is that you Walter?
Hand, you were lucky to have hands, we had to file with bloody stumps.
With no shoes.
You forgot the lions and bear
I am a German certified tool and die maker. I made my apprenticeship between 1976 and 1979. The first 6 months all we did was base camp training or in other words - filing.
I learned to file H7/h7 fits. When you do precision filing you never ever lift the file on the back stroke, you will loose the feel/control of the file on the surface. For deburring I lift as well. So I fully agree.
Very good video
I just saw Your comment and what I saw make me laugh.
Im a German with typical German name :)
"German certified tool and die maker" you can drop the mic after that. :)
I worked with a German toolmaker named Gerhard Kruger in an edm die shop in Renton WA. He told me the same thing about how he did much filing during his apprenticeship in Germany. He taught this yank many tricks.
@@campparsonssundayschool7844 Did he have a brother named Freddy who's a knife maker?
Ken Moore - No but my name is Fred. You can call me Freddy. I come from a long line of Freds who came from Hamberg Germany.
Just backup your files, so they last longer ;)
Very punny.
Although all of these comments are hilarious, i actually let out a couple laughs out loud at yours @erwinruff01
well done good sir, well done!
Abomb kills me every time. He needs a scene in a movie while he just does that look. Nothing else.
His look chilled my living room every time. I repeated the video to save on A/C.
A scene in a new Transporter movie, or maybe yet another Taken movie. I would like that.
@@atles8379 Keanu Reeves pulls into a garage in a completely destroyed car, gets out, and asks John Leguisamo if he can fix it. John says "Sure, man..."
And ABomb in the background looks up from his vice just like that...
Tony got caught dragging his file back, and had to ship that heavy bastard to explain why.
I don't even touch the surface on the forward stroke. My files are going to last forever.
thats the *ultimate metal/wood/plastic/anything working hack!!!*
only the realest of the *real gamers* don't even touch the file to the surface of their work piece, but instead, use their *teeth to do all of their filing, grinding, cutting and even broaching!!!!!!*
@@unfortunately_fortunate2000 Don't try to file the steel, that's impossible. Instead try to realise the truth...There is no file.
@@tvsinesperanto7446 there is no steel...?
@@MrFlashpoint1978 matrix movie spoon bending reference I guess
😂👍👍
Vote #1 Abom for best male support actor
Truly a Renaissance Man -- equally superb either as a lead man or in a supporting role, equally aplomb in the workshop or in the performing arts, and always a gentleman.
He has such a bubbling personality!
Does he laugh himself to sleep?
OK, does Adam resemble B.A.
Baracus, off of The A-Team, like
when he awakes on an airplane,
being flown by H.M. Murdock?
(Or, not so nice. [I pity the FOO!})
(For fun, check out Keith Rucker's
shop bathroom. It has an a-BOMB
sized roll of TP.)
steve
literally rofl
I use to be indecisive but now I'm not sure.
QQTrick1QQ I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous ...
Robin Turner I would give my lathe to have my ways redone.
I used to be apathetic but I just don't care any more.
Robin Turner I’d give my right eye for better depth perception...
I'd give my left leg to be able to run faster
I actually tested this over a two-year period. Reason? None other than my own nagging curiosity. I bought 4 identical files. 2 bastard and 2 machine. They saw nothing harder than mild steel. I split workload as evenly as possible. One pair(bastard/machine) I would go to town back and forth. The other I would always lift on the backstroke. 2 years on, if it wasn't for the electrical tape on the tip I wouldn't be able to tell the difference, visually or feel. To me, the whole backstroke thing is a myth on mild steel or softer. I found working with anything harder backstroke certainly flattens out the teeth. As long the material you're working with is softer than the steel of the file there is no way backstroking will harm it. That's how I feel anyway and I'm sticking to it!! Backstroking? Is that an actual word? Huh it is now!😆
@Dan...pew pew
Reading your comment, I realized the don't backstroke caution does kinds make sense, and it was your "nothing harder than mild steel." statement which got me thinking.
For the average person, (not a fab or machine shop pro), when a material gets harder, it's likely a file might be the only tool they have to modify the material.
THEN the backstroke caution makes sense. Better to be concerned about damaging files, and pay attention to filing technique, even if it's not necessary with softer materials, than to damage files with incorrect technique when it matters.
Get someone who only uses a file infrequently using incorrect technique, because it's not likely to damage the file, on softer materials, and when they work on harder materials, it is that much more difficult for them to use correct technique when it is necessary.
That is basic motor muscle learning theory, and the ability to repeat motor motion. Stuff I learned early in my undergrad studies.
IE: basketball players should strive for good jump shop technique, even when wide open.
It's the basic premise behind why athletes practice.
Practice, (= soft materials), means more consistancy during the game, (= hard materials).
@@georgedennison3338 George, I feel you. You read or see something than sit back and contemplate and think about it way too much. At times coming to some pretty damn good conclusions. But I'm sure, like me, you find yourself over-analyzing things way too often.(I've been told this about myself on numerous occasions) Good, bad or indifferent it's how we progressed to be the best at everything we do. Best thing I ever heard, "Always shoot for perfection. Though it's impossible to be perfect. You will achieve greatness on your way there.
@Dan
I have been accused of 'being a perfectionist', but I've never seen it that way. Since I was a kid, I have always analyzed what I was doing, as I was doing it, and thought about more efficient, or effect ways to do the job.
I got a young start, though. My uncle, (1st gen Italian-American), starting sweeping floors at a NJ Ford dealership at 13. At 15, he was a line mechanic, on Model T's.
He was married to my mom's oldr sis, and he was, literally, my godfather. They babysat me when I was young, and Mom worked, which meant I grew up in his shop, in Oregon.
When I about 12, he said, I was 13, you're old enough to learn. I had been building models cars from and early age, and had the 'iron disease', by then, so I loved it.
By 15, I was working on all the neighbor's cars, from my house.
I've always had to drive to improve my skills, do things right, and I attribute that to the mentors I had growing up.
I knew they had the knowledge, and worked my butt off, just so I could hang around the older guys, and be taught.
It paid off.
My uncle: worked a half day at the shop, the day he died, at 88.
Went in the house, (worked frim his home shop, by then), had lunch, then took his last "after lunch snooze", as he called them.
THAT is the way to go, IMHO.
Brilliant! Thank you!
I looked up the function of that 'love' chip just for fun, and it's a 'tone encoder' from 1982 that generates dial tones.
How else do you get your love?
@@jimcatan703 Well, that way you don't have to wait for them to leave. You just hang up.
After all, people don't patronize hookers for sex. They pay them because they leave afterwards.
You sad sod. 😂 I suppose someone had to.
Glad to see I am not the only one pulling up those data sheets.
@@ken481959 Some of them trick you into marrying them. Or was that just me?
My girlfriend didn't understand why I needed to watch this video, so I explained that you are a god amongst machinists, and she left me, so now I get to watch your videos unhindered
sam rowland I just hide in the bathroom.
You really dodged a bullet there! Now you won't have to file for divorce later.
Ya dodged a bullet
Hahahaha filing for divorce is the worst. That’s when the opus comes in handy. Auto file for divorce. I need an opus now! I need to file!
I hate to be "That Guy" but someone's got to say it... Chris at Clickspring would've made that hole perfectly square in all 26 dimensions, after building the die filer using only tools available in ancient Greece during the 5th century BCE. Just sayin.On a lighter note, every time I look in a toolbox, I see a box marked tap and die. I've tapped on lots of those boxes and I feel fine. What gives?
I think the marking on those boxes is intended as a warning to tap dancers. You're OK.
That's a relief, I suppose.
i think it's more of a warning to not f*** the toolbox? Yeah, don't tap that.
If you're tappin' the toolbox, you've spent a little too much time in the workshop. Just saying.
Not till he mentioned it...
Anyone else notice the words change below the 140? Genius. Another of the little details that i love about this old Tony vids. Well done sir
Do you mean when the "*******TATA" turned into "SUBSCRIBE"? I did.
18:32 BIG TATAS
@@wsshambaugh Big Tatas is Italiano for "large patents". They're just using them to draw attention to boost sales.
I love the little touches in these videos. Just my kind of humour.
yep noticed and thought it was genius
I come from an electronics and telecommunications background. Probably never will come a 100 feet near a lathe or a bandsaw. Yet I keep coming here for the humor. Strange really.
My son is a computer security type. Not proficient with tools. In fact, I don't want him to use them (power tools) too much. He's likely to cut off fingers and such, and that would mess up his employment opportunities.
When he was young, I tried to get him to learn using power tools, and how to do things for himself, but he was not particularly interested. I told him to either learn how to do things himself, in order to save money, or get an education that would enable him to pay someone to do things for him, or he could do both and have the satisfaction of doing for himself AND saving money while not always having to do so and knowing if someone is trying to rip him off.
ikr? I will never operate a CNC machine, but I am picking up on tips and tricks and terminology used. and humor, I chuckle throughout Tony's videos as well as his puns. and don't get me started on his "cut away" video clips- u know where he starts to go off on a Tony tangent.
Hehe...me too...an electronics telecom engineer and here I am binging his videos :p
There is something here for everyone! :-)
@@troyna77 CNC machine? Is that some newfangled machine for coffee and cream? :-)
As a young mechanical engineer that from time to time has to get down and dirty with the work/job, this video helped me put some old-school co-workers in their rightful place and create life long vendettas-relationships with them, I am deeply thankful to you TOT. At least now my boss doesn't give me the "business" every time I'm using my phone for anything else than work related phone calls.
Sometimes I feel like Tony buys machines just for the puns.
I have yet to see him feature his pun machine, but I'm sure he intends to do some work on it eventually.
...or buys a machine just for the pun of it.
Ward Christensen. Haha.
@@WardXmodem 0
@GREAT GOD MARS Either that or he makes sure that the next delivery occurs while she is out shopping.
Nice video Adam. The Tony cameo's are not bad as well.
@Dr Moriarty get a life honestly
I don't think its Tony. He isnt wearing a wedding ring and his thumbnail is longer on his left hand. Tony has sausage fingers with itty bitty nails.
Plurals do if you're Dutch and it's a loanword e.g. video's, photo's, cameo's :)
That’s Adam from abom87. See the link in the description.
Michael Oshatz showing you're no different I see 🤦♂️
Tony, Adam is a nice guy. Don't draw him down to your level!
g06s FJ Scratch that! :-)
Haha, draw, filing, get it?!!!
Third time i've watched this, and I only just now noticed that it's the OPUS 140 Big Tatas.... I love you Tony.
I bought a filer like that 10 or 15 years ago, but after I filed the 3 things that needed filing, I pretty much had no use for it. Then one Thanksgiving I got an Idea and soon my whole family marched into my shop every thanksgiving to eat their corn on the cob. Was a real time saver. Everything was going great until Gramma Sandy got off center a bit and filled her left sinus to the brim with sweet corn. Took her the biggest part of a year to get it all blown out. Still has trouble with her balance, but I attribute that to all of the bottom shelf Gin that she buys. She wasn't the only one with problems either. It was hell getting the speed just right so a person could breath and eat at the same time. Everyone eventually got tired of it all, and I can't say I miss it much either. Way too much brooming all the corn off the car, ceiling and walls. I still get a kick out of it every once in a while though. There is a lot of enjoyment to be had by seeing how frustrated a cat can get trying to eat catfish off of the thing. By the way, some people call it Maize.
I laughed till I had tears in my eyes! Great one! THANKS!
You madman
you got my chuckle
HILARIOUS.
All the while I'm picturing this as I'm reading it .
Very funny , Man.
This is the ultimate litmus test for when the kids bring home somebody to Thanksgiving that they are "serious" about. "Hey, welcome to the family.........we're headed to the shop.........bring your corn."
Redefines "serious".
OPUS company was founded in 1940 in Italy and is still in business, after a ownership change in 1991 (it is now a brand name only). There is still plenty of Opus 140 filing and sawing machines and Opus 400 bandsaw machines around. On hystorical machines like this one, the proud "brevettata" sign means that it is a original design made by a real company, not a generic copy built by some obscure small workshop.
Paolo Canali how many Opus 140 BIG TATAS and SUBSCRIBE models are there? I’m looking for a BIG TATAS... 🤣
Omioddio... non sarai per caso Paolo Canali, il tecnico che rispondeva su Amiga Magazine 20 anni or sono...
There are a lot of asian restaurants that deliver bamboo file cleaners if you order some other type of food
lol almost thought that, but didn't want to 'make myself' hungry. Besides, maybe file Card is made with Bamboo. ?
Could probably grow it yorself, if you live somewhere warm or don't mind an extra wall in your house. It grows pretty fast from what i've heard.
3-4 feet per day.
I love the Adam’s Cameo.
You guys have the best channel and community of TH-cam
Xavier Ancarno absolutely awesome video and Adam is a great extra!!
He's the Bomb!
Came here to say this. Figured I'd just upvote you instead.
W. Bush No he's just A bomb.
@@TheMrStotty The first 2 (dropped on Japan) were code named "Little Boy" and "Fat Man". You just can't make this stuff up. lol
Adams look about the cheap shot about his shaper was priceless...very well done...thanks...Vic.
What I wouldn’t have given to have this a week ago. My wonderful boss decided he would revise a drawing of a 10mm thick piece of steel , where it was the shape of a egg, a cam lobe of sorts, there’s a 6mm hole 🕳 in the centre for attaching to the end of a shaft, about 10 centres away is a 5mm hole that in this hole he wants two flats opposing each other that are 4mm wide and a distance of 6mm face to face.
What I would have liked to have then one of those new fangled mechanical filer, oh mercy!! I managed to do the job, making an Abour from a piece of tool steel and used slitting 1mm disc to create the teeth = it worked really well but I’ll add the Opus to my list of machinery to look out for, thanks Tony it’s a wonderful pleasure to watch channels like yours with really great content, and showing us how it works with the finish achievable. Not all of us engineers have the availability or money to hire a EDM. Thanks again For Sharing this with us........Phil.
Reported, found this video abrasive.
(But actually glad you mentioned the backstroke filling thing, I think I get a half dozen comments on our channel even when I do it "right.")
Ryan Wilhelm if you reported this video, TH-cam will probably put it in " FILE 13". LOL
I think it's more cutting than abrasive, but at the microscopic scale who knows...
@@steveh8724
At the microscopic level, abrasion *is* cutting.
I apply pressure only on the backstroke.
HEATHEN
Your girlfriend says, she like pressure in both strokes :)
That is quite permissible for Northern hemisphere file clerks. Please, don't try it here or your water will go backwards.
Hmm, Interesting, but where are you standing ?? In front or behind ?
Yes.
Hahahahaha! Abomb was just brilliant.
I laughed out loud literally. That was awesome.
actually pretty scary, could be a Luca Brazi type of "wise guy"
(but of course we know and love big ol' sweet Adam)
I couldn't agree more
Could not agree more - except for that milk thing.
He's hot the hang of it now. Hollywood next. his look was scary as hell
It would be nice to see more of this machine, mostly because you seem to like it so much. Always nice to see someone talk about his or her passion.
noted! thanks SF!
Thats one of those machines you see in an old school shop class the teacher never used and you wondered for years, what the heck is it. LoL
Funny you should say that, thats how I picked up my South Bend Lathe and my (i think) bridgeport mill. From a High School that was no longer offering shop classes for kids not interested in College... They practically gave them to me
Right, too dangerous for kids. My teacher made all my projects. All I had to do was think up what I wanted him to do next.
@@stevemcelwain5172 I got an Apple IIc, Mac SE/30 and Compac Portable III (all circa ~1984 "portables") under the same circumstances. Keep your eyes open and ask questions!
There are brand new CNC machines in a nearby town's HS that sit idle because they refuse to allow us to help teach them. Utter BS.
@@snigwithasword1284 I came here from 9 months in the future to ask this question. Did it come with Oregon Trail stuck in it?
lol that look on Aboms face :D
wut
There must be a psychic link between TOT and Abom79.
I went through a German apprenticeship and first thing you learn is how to use hand tools precisely. We had to file a U channel to dimension. +- .02mm and it had to be flat parallel and perpendicular. It takes most people scraping 3 to get the hand of it. We are taught to never lift on back stroke. Try to saw a straight line or file to general tolerance while lifting. Its impossible!
By the way I always start by saw cuts using a triangle file to make a groove for the blade.
Same here, did my tool & die maker's apprenticeship in Germany and for the first 3 months the only tools I used were files. I was given a rough sawn chunk of cold rolled and went through all the steps to get it flat and square and then features like radii, channels and square holes were added. We didn't have to hold quite that close of a tolerance, but even 0.1mm was a tolerance that a lot of apprentices struggled with.
I learned from guys that learned the trade in post-war Germany, when they didn't have many machines left and nearly everything was filed after being given rough shape in the forge. None of them lifted the files.
Yes it sounds like we made very similar parts and were taught from very similar people. I was in germany and I am also a tool and die maker. Pretty cool stuff
I like the tip to use a file to pre slot a saw. Thanks!
that tip with a file, man where have you been all my live :D
Funny, we did the same i Norway.
Lost it at the shaper remark, and Aboms reaction!
I kept replaying that part of the video, it made me laugh so much! I love when Adam busts out the shaper, it's mesmerizing to watch
The cameo of Abom was a delight, good show both of you. With most new personalities that I come cross on the internet I usually and watch all the past episodes and current, With Tony I haven't done that. That's gonna change! Dude love what you do, I never get tired your video's
With Die filing machines; the files are usually cut in the opposite direction as opposed to hand files, because they cut on the pull stroke. I set up a Lagun milling machine slotting attachment to use bench filing machine files; so, now I have a mini broaching / filing machine. I worked for a CNC machine shop when I was younger and they told me if they saw me use a file in their shop; I would be fired. My filing attachment was very precise. Again, it would cut on the upstroke, advance a certain microscopic amount and cut again. Nice work Old Tony.
Perhaps the drag on the return helps clear the chips? Then I throw them back into the drawer, file on file, lots of other crap on top of them to make sure they remain in perfect condition!
brucenoneyabusness well you wouldn't want that dust getting on them urgh gross
I always store my files where they can clang against one another. Helps clean them out.
I stick them on a harbor freight magnet bar so they can breathe. Don't want moldy, rotting files!
Some file on file action never hurt anyone! Legend has it that that even sharpens them
Those Abom inserts are priceless. I'm sure Adam had fun making them. Thanks for posting TOT. Love my shirt although Teespring could tighten up their QC.
Abom inserts for the mill, the lathe, or the die filer?
The one with the Jose Maran bit...Oh! wait that was another video. For this video the first was the best because of the surprise. Need this to happen more often with other TH-camrs.
I don't care what other people think, these old machines were the foundations upon which we all stand.
Some places more then others.
Some places quite literally.
I love the nods to each other between some of my favorite channels like you, abom79, AvE, and 6061. Love the content even more, but it's a kind of 4th wall break-ish feel. I learn a lot from all of you, but the laughs make it even better. Glad to click "like" and watch some ad content for the benefit I get...
Yes, and his banter with Stefan and Chris from Clickspring is priceless.
I look out for Curiousmarc who might lead you to bigclivedotcom or eevblog. Curiousmarc is a lathe guy too - despite all the HP test gear.
Adam's contribution to this presentation is nothing short of superb!!! I am one of his (and your) avid fans - thank you both - again
Tony's OPUS: B I G T A T A S
LooplabMixer I thought my eyes were fooling me when I saw that. I wondered if anyone else saw it.
Yes I did. And the 'subscribe' in the very next shot!
Came to the comments just looking for this lol.
I lost it right then
When I was cutting my teeth in a machine shop as wee sprout, I used a file maybe 50-200 times a day for a few years. My senior co-worker was adamant about lifting his file. I didn't care much either way because I was young and my parents told me I was special. Turned out we replaced ours with a new from wear usually within a month of each other. Sometimes him first. I really stumbled upwards into this career now that i think about it. Party on Garth.
"I didn't care much either way because I was young and my parents told me I was special." oh wow, that is GOOD!
This sounds like some real experience, two different techniques done over years, and files were replaced at about the same rate. I do wonder if dragging even matters, partly because the file is so much harder than the material it is filing. Could a hard file really dull going backwards when it is doing the real cutting going forward? Wouldn't the cutting stroke be the one that dulls the file in time? Second, as mentioned before, does the back stroke clear chips?
Real experience doesn’t lie. BTW- love the tools!
I'm a simple man, I see a new TOT video and I SQUEEEEEL LIKE A LITTLE GIRL!!!
Joel Crawford same man I literally stop working when I get the notification, yo boss going on break
The only thing i don´t like about TOT videos is that i can only upvote them once.
Skunklabs - My boss tells me about them when he spots a new upload in the office.
Sounds like you need some oil on that....
Man I love these videos. The humor keeps me laughing, the learning keeps me fascinated. Can’t get enough!
Ah, machine lust. There's comfort in knowing others suffer too.
Wait I have had my hack saw blades on backwards this whole time...
That is not wrong if you prefer cutting on the pull stroke.
@ProgAndy Maybe he also meant upside down? Nothing wrong with cutting on the up-pull stroke.
Heck, I've had my files on backward this whole time....
Gummy Bugz
Personal preference does not mean that the other person is wrong..
You can get a LOT more pressure pushing than pulling, so faster cutting speed.
As far as stability, I have no clue what you're talking about. I've used hacksaw blades forwards and backwards, it doesn't matter either way the cutting accuracy should be the same. Are you not holding the front of the hacksaw frame? If you are, work on your muscle memory.
gummy bugz is a hack. good at nothing, except being bad. ToT is a craftsman, an artist in his own right. He can't be wrong, for he's doing shit his own way. Was the Mona Lisa wrong? Exactly.
Having worked in a high end jewer's shop, I'd say jewelers are the current past masters (so to speak) of filing. (Not me, I was just a lowly wax/casting guy.) They could file mirror polished razor edged cubes in 20 carat gold. They never raised the files on the backstroke. In addition to maintaining muscle memory, I think dragging on the backstroke slows the onset of washboard chatter. Jewelers metals are typically quite soft, but ours were age hardened alloys as hard as any in the industry. I forget the brinell hardness numbers, but around mild steel hardness.
Can't believe Tony The Great has not yet learned to hacksaw on the PULL, not the push. Flip that blade end for end, Tony. Try the pull - you'll thank me. The blade stays in tension, the frame is not stressed, and the biceps are usually stronger than the triceps, giving more endurance and control.
i never understood hacksaws on the push. they're annoying.
You'll definitely see both schools of thought claiming to be right.
But high tension hacksaws change everything.
Saws are designed to use gravity and the weight of your arm to assist the cut. Coping saw blade orientation is a good example. less fatigue less effort. Try to always cut/ file downhill....
I push on a hacksaw because the blade is stiff enough and it moves faster. Jewelers saws are the only ones you should be pulling on to cut, because normally you are cutting vertically and pushing doesn't make sense.
Back Hacking is the only way to fly!
I have to say, I cannot get enough This Old Tony this week. I have been watching and re-watching your entire catalogue, and your work is so inspiring, and you videos are so enjoyable to binge. I have been on and off again in engineering school for about 3 years, and I start back for the fall semester in a few days, and you really have me looking forward to getting back to school. And while I feel like a lot of modern engineering is done in CAD and CNC, I really look forward to having the resources to design and create things from scratch. And I REALLY look forward to making the money necessary to put together a home machine shop. Keep up the awesome work Tony, thanks for everything!
I enjoy your narration and subject matter. I have been an Auto restorer for forty years and many of the Oberge dreadnought files I purchased as a special deal, thinking they would wear quickly, I would have spares. Well I broke two or three by winding too much curve in the adjustable file handle but the blade on the flat handle has lasted for many years twenty plus, I think because I made an aluminum sleave to slip over the blade when it is in storage. The cause of chips and any damage to the blade comes from bouncing around in the tool box and kicked along the concrete floor. I had one file handle for ruffling off and another for final finishing the one that required the most care and attention, the same for aluminum panels. All the filing was back and forth [forth and back actually] and it seem no damage occurs, but when you drop it on concrete floor and don't check that bits of grit have been removed you'll get damage. A wipe backwards with your hand was all that was needed to ensure a clean blade or a wipe on you trouser leg.
Brilliant work. First thing I've watched all day that genuinely made me burst out laughing. Adam is a great sport. Thanks to you both
Can you please made a shirt whit the "Stopless files hot hot hot 24/7 " picture? This would be so awesome
Definitely "Stopless Files 24/7 HOT! HOT! HOT!" needs to be on a shirt. Tony, you can do it!
@@groundzero6662 Niiiiice!
I was going to buy that one but I got myself the full color tattoo shirt. It's wicked!
If money wasn't tight (or if I lived anywhere other than Australia and didn't have to pay $15 per shirt in shipping), I would have bought both.
I'm pretty sure that draggin' a wife on the backstroke is an old file's tail.
That’s pretty alright.
I talked this over with my Wife. She just looked disinterested, and then head butted me!
You are a genius for that reply.
That is the most glorious machine I have ever seen. Takes me back to some of the gear cutting machines I used to work with.
Love the video been watching Abom79 for many years, and laughed my butt of at all the cut scenes of him, very much enjoy your way of video making, keep up the awesome work
Oscar nomination for Adam in the category "Best Cameo Appearance in a Filing and Sawing Machine Video"!
Dam that was great! I need one now
You need a broach XD
You’ll find one, for free no doubt.
I thought you would already have one
If none of us watch the video past that certain point, does ToT keep talking?
Speaking of back filling, the draw back on a harder than what your filling part will displace the metal of the part not the file. Doing so on much harder parts, ie almost file hard would probably not be the smartest thing in the world to do.
ToT is ALWAYS talking, whether he's even making a video or not.
Red Bluefish I thought we were always wrong, that's what everyone woman keeps telling me.
You don't watch to the end? GET OUT!
So, really it's you I have to blame! You, Abom, Mr Pete and Stefan really. I have been a quite happy hobby woodworker for over 30 years and then I discovered you guys. So tool guys are, well...tool guys. So a south bend 9 was first, then an Enco mill (plus of coursee all the hand tools, quick change posts, industrial auctions...you get the picture). Yesterday became the proud owner of an Atlas 7b shaper. Didn't need it of course and my wife keeps asking "yes it's cool, but what exactly will you be making?"
Curse you guys!
:-)
Keep up the good work please
Yep, same. I find that sometimes I need to rewatch the videos just to remember why it was I needed the whatever it is I'm paying way too much to have shipped to me.
The pace you’re delivering your punchlines and your timing is better than anything I’ve ever seen! You have me in tears 🤣🤣🤣
loved adams cameo! Dude has a sense of humor he hasn't fully capitalized on in his vids.
Thank You Tony! Thank You Adam!
Great Video Tony! This is probably THE best video i've ever seen on filing ;-) I completely agree with the "light pressure still in contact back stroke". IMO Soapstone is much better than chalk for a file lube. I like a piece of brass for pushing out the bits that stick in the teeth that the file card can't get. You should do a follow up on finding the files happy places on direction and angle of stroke with various cuts and patterns. I also get my files sharpened multiple times (not kidding)
ATB, Robin
I can't believe I just spent 24 minutes watching a video about filing, I guess it says something about your gift to entertain and inform. Keep them coming! Paul in NZ
Bravo, just love the collaboration between you and Adam. I think it makes the world just a bit smaller
I almost Die'd when I hit the like button twice - one for TOT and one for ABOM.
Last time I took a channel recommendation from Tony it was Avon79. Maybe I'll give this Adam guy a chance.
0:56 - Aw man! I've been trying to teach my robot to have emotions for years! Now I know all I was missing was an obsolete DTMF encoder chip... thanks Tony!
Just have your robot watch Abomb! :-)
After weeks, maybe months, of seeing your channel in suggested videos, I finally gave you a shot a couple days ago.
I've been watching your channel in all my idle time since. Your editing, dry sense of humor, and surprisingly informative videos are a welcome addition to my subscription list.
The intro to this had me geekin
My two favourite machinists. Love that you collaborated.
i like the opus 140 big tatas
Don't forget the subscribe after that.
Thanks, Tony! BTW, my TOT T-shirt arrived in the mail yesterday!
You want to hear about true love for a machine?
At my college theirs this wadkin pp dimension saw which in my opinion is the magnum opus of all table saws but its been thrown in the corner which means you can only get half a sheet of ply on it. But I tell you what I must have the patience of a saint because i'm the only schmuck who uses it! Its even got a sliding table!!!
Davyd Mir I thought the Wadkins PK had a lot of love to give ;)
Have you seen Jack english machines youtube channel?
His PK is really tricked out!
Firstly, I'm not German, or a toolmaker, but am retired, so qualify as an old 'git' if nothing else. When I was a wet behind the ears fresh engineering graduate I was caught by a seasoned (gnarly old) toolmaker torturing a file by reciprocating feverishly in an attempt to 'improve' some unsuspecting metal part by 'filing'. I was soundly admonished and given a 1 hour filing lesson. Two things resulted. I have filed 'properly' ever since; pressure on forward stroke - dead weight of file on return stoke when filing to size - unless coarse filing, where taking deep cuts with lifting off on return stroke to spare the files teeth. Correct file selection, stance, two handed grip, posture, squareness monitoring, frequent measuring, clearing the teeth - I got the lot. Does that fit anyone's approach? Second thing I learnt was big respect for tools, toolmakers & taking care & pride in whatever you did. I was fortunate to get that life lesson so early on - still using it today in whatever I'm doing. All from something so apparently, but deceptively humble as filing metal.
The culinary equivalent is frying an egg.
Ive got the little cousin to this machine made by oliver and its excellent for light precision squaring work on things like slipjoint knife blade shoulders but my goodness tony that old gal is a work of art! Truly a delightful machine!! Wow!
How does this channel not have 6 million subscribers.
Brian Because no one wants that. It's getting more and more polluted with "makers" and hipsters as it is.
From the outside, it looks like a machining channel. Probably because it is one. There's just not enough people interested in machining.
Take me, for instance. I wouldn't be here if not for something I saw on AvE's channel, and I wouldn't have been there if not for something I saw in the comments on Matthias Wandel's channel. I'm a hand tool woodworker - I never measure anything and precision for me is "eh, looks good enough." I've learned almost nothing I will ever actually use here.
I watch ToT because he's funny and his videos are always entertaining. I watch AvE because of the way he talks and I learn some about the tools I use. I watch Matthias Wandel because he's my polar opposite in the workshop and it's neat to see how the other side lives. But I'd never have watched any of those guys if not for luck.
Surprised Adam managed to keep a straight face... Awesome as always ToT : )
on one of the clips you can see Adam starting to smile at the end... i bet he had to do some extra takes!
When you said 'who's got time for hand filing,' you should have cut to Chris from Clickspring filing away at one of his hundred of gears. i don't think anyone alive has spent more time hand filing than him!
Probably all the worksman of the past who made grandfather clocks in factories and the like filed more, for money and survival. For fun, though...
He's making money from his filing, though the product is the video rather than the gear.
When I saw the video for the first time I thought to myself "when would anyone need such an old dinosaur of a machine". Now I'm sitting in the garage trying to figure out how to build one with the tools i have because I need one.
I have been watching your excellent videos for several years, it's the first time I've seen your person, thank you for sharing your knowledge
TOT you just made sharpening my lawn mower blades that much more unpleasant. Was it too much to ask for simply wanting a sharp-ish and mostly balanced blade? ;)
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You are welcome.
AVE's blade is horrible and he should be ashamed. What has he been cutting with it? Rocks, tree branches, bodies? I know how to sharpen and balance a blade and keep mine looking relatively new despite the dirt and grass, but do I sharpen in one direction or two?
Honestly for a lawn mower it doesn't matter.It only matters for really sharp knives in my opinion. With all other tools, all that "vodoo" that is supposed to happen when sharpen this or that direction will be gone after a few cuts anyway.
you can just cut grass with a dull lawn mower blade it just makes it so your grass looks like shit.
I tried sharpening my lawn mower blade with a file once. Then I noticed my belt sander on the bench.
Ah, opening an vintage tool&die shop anytime soon?
And: If you want a lifetransforming file-experience: Try swiss Valorbe files.
Among the last (if not THE last) makers of true precision files...the kind with the slight convexity that helps in producing a true flat surface.
Dick Feilen is/was rumored to source its precision line from Valorbe as well...
Oh man is that true. Using Vallorbe files is a near-religious experience, but man are they expensive where I live. In my shop I have Nicholson files that other people can use, Bahco files for just me, and Vallorbe strictly for the jewellery bench where nobody may touch them.
I had the good fortune to buy the entire stock of a tool supply co of their Valorbe swiss needle files, they only had wedge shaped but they are without doubt the best files i have ever used. that was 30years ago and i am still using them today!
Where do you live Stefan? I work for Hahn Group based in Rheinbollen.
You must have some good dirt on Adam to get him to do all the videos.
Lee Sherburn, found his stash of shim mags.
Those Abom cameos are some of the funniest stuff I've ever seen in my life. Had me cackling. Well done, both of you.
The shots of Adam were priceless! Especially since I have watched enough of his videos, that the expressions were so unlike him that I couldn't help but laugh! Personally, if I had to choose, I would rather own a shaper than a file machine, thats sorta similar to if you are a cat or dog person, but filing certainly does have it's places and advantages... the only tip I could suggest and have never seen anyone else ever mention, is those cheap replacement 1/4 inch replacement drill chucks you find at places like Harbor Freight, make a nice needle file handle! There's a good grip on the file shank, a good heft and balance in your hand as handle for hand filing. Another fun video! Thanks.
I was wondering if you would ever do a video on mill/lathe clean up? Like what do you do with all the chips and coolant after you finish a part?
Just scoop it up in a bag and throw it out for recycling, and the coolant either gets washed away or stuck to the chips. Most of the coolant gets back into the machine through a filter.
absolutely love your videos, and as a toolmaker i really wish the shop i served my time in had one of these, filing the clearance on dies was torture for apprentices. keep up the good work Tony, watching your videos is cheaper than therapy lol
17:34 it‘s an hour till midnight and I’ve just woken the neighbours by laughing like a maniac at this... amazing. They now officially hate me. I, on the other hand, love you more deeply than you or they will ever know. Thank you, This Old Tony! - satisfied customer
I'm German and a certified maintenance mechanic and now an Engineer. (Yes you HAVE to be state certified mechanic in Germany). I did my apprenticeship with 2009 to 2012. We where advised to pretty much never lift the file on the back stroke and just ease up the pressure. Only lift during deburring, fine and tiny adjustments or if you're looking for your reference point.
As a toolmaker, I really liked your comment over broken off pieces of grinding stone. quite recognizable!
For good files though, you don't have to look further than Vallorbe files. In my opinion the very best.
Before 2.5 million comments appear, I want to ask you if you can make a video for like What lathe to buy or models or what I need to see on a lathe and stuff cause I guess lots of people here want to buy one
Id echo this. I bought that chinesium sieg mini lathe and now hate myself - I wish i knew what i was looking for.
Especially after seeing abom's lathe sale video from a few weeks back...
iwtommo Just for that I would love a kind of this video xD
Saiserk Monarch or nothing lol
Oh and also where to buy them hahaha
I don’t know about most people, but where I live the local votech school for precision machining sells their old machines every now and then so they can buy new ones for the next classes. Most people where I live just wait until then or find older business that go out of business and auction stuff off
"Would your file last longer if you let off a little?"
It would last even longer if you didn't file at all... So that question is dubious.
18:50 BIG TATAS FTW!
Glad someone else noticed this!
Didn't even see that.
Thank you.
Ten seconds later it says subscribe ;-)
I have learned more from you in a year than I have after $100,000 in schooling , I sincerely thank you sir.. My only regret is not finding you sooner .
TOT, sitting on a train in Scotland wearing my TOT tee shirt in black. Just to add to the enjoyment, I am listening to your voice and thinking about Alan Alda (MASH). This just enhances my enjoyment. Heard Adam having a dig at you on his latest video😂😂😂. Seriously, you are a hero. Kindest regards Joe.
adam! :D best man clip!
I laughing here. That Abom face. This channel is art!!! Who needs TV with theese guys? Next, the AvE face please. :)
AvE has no face, he is just talking flannel with hands.
NOT Watching TV from 15 years ....
@@thevoid7332 And shop coat with hands.
AvE never shows his face.
So a Tone Encoder IC (TCM5087N is a tone encoder) gives Machines the ability to love?
It's the Tony Tone Toneloc chip.
Lol!
Thank you, I was going to go find a bigger screen & resolution. Looking for the datasheet.
So I wasn't the only one who paused the video to look it up.
Great video! I operated an EDM for 3 years and can see where traditional tool & die maker would have needed these. Most of use cannot afford an EDM but a die-filer isn't out if reach. Clickspring has shown us how useful these machines are along with your video. Thanks for sharing.