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The Russian composers getting cancelled for something they didn't do is just absurd and ridiculous at this point. It's music bro, come on.
The world already is in a new stupidity era...
This is what war does to people….
That's like cancelling Beethoven over holocaust
Yeah what the hell in hell. ART IS ART
It's stupid because Russia now is not the same Russia as then.
_hide the Rush E arrangement from TwoSet challenge_
Hey whataya doin here, SMB?? Love ur vids btw :)
hiding it in the front of the class, yes
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This is so sad… my teacher is in a professional orchestra and they were supposed to play Shostakovich violin concerto with a Russian soloist, but the soloist decided to cancel because of all the hate he got. He was scared for his family.
Which is both absurd and sad, because Shostakovich himself lived in fear for his life during the Stalinist purges. He opposed a dictatorship like the one that is in charge of Russia now.
@@panther7748 symphony number 7 was almost rejected, and it represents what he felt under siege. It even has the snare drum pianissimo imitate gunfire. That's the perfect piece to see performed when Russia is bombing your bum-bum.
Such a shame. What Ukraine is dealing with, and the story of Shostakovich.
@@panther7748 no one is saying bad about him, it's just a bad time to play it.
-Hey, there is a russian pilot dropping a bomb on a hospital. -let's play russian music
@@Dezurat But the music has nothing to do with the pilot. Should be ban Wagner's music forever, just because Hitler liked it? It would be another thing to play the russian anthem now, but the music or the composers have nothing to do with the current events. It's just a discriminating overreaction, and it sends the wrong signal. It's essentially condemnation by association. That shouldn't be part of our values.
@@panther7748 ... after 2WW the Israeli Philharmonic did not play Wagner ... these are emotions, not a logical task
We just did the Shostakovich 5th two weeks ago, and our conductor told the audience about the composer's struggles with the soviet government and Stalin trying to cancel his music. He also told them that he had had phone calls and emails from patrons saying they wouldn't come if we played the piece, but that it was important not to cave in to that kind of thinking. Bravo to him, and we got huge ovations from the audiences we performed the piece for.
If Stalin was against someone and this someone still can perform, it means that USSR during Stalin has more freedom that today western countries.
I went to a concert recently where they were playing Rachmaninoff and one of the directors of the show spent like 10 minutes explaining to us why it's okay to still play Russian music and that we shouldnt be offended. It's absolutely ridiculous. I was cringing so hard. What does his concerto #2 have to do with the war. I'm Ukrainian myself and even I think it's silly.
I agree.
Music has nothing to do with war. No matter where it comes from
Let's just say it. Removing someone cause of a nationality IS nationalism too and represents stupid detrimental links that have nothing to do with singular persons. Following this logic they shouldn't play ANYONE AND ANYTHING. Every fricking country has done something in the history of humanity
@@xlikesasuke8230 Why? "The Russians" are not a singular entity.
They're just normal people for the most part, and they're suffering too, not responsible for the decision of their government at the moment.
Cause people nowadays just like to cancel anyone and anything. Social media itself is also really big. Imagine someone uploading a short video about anything without context then just add a misleading caption. :(
When social justice warriors don't understand this and just decide that cancelling everything Russian is a way to support Ukraine, others have to put it that way to make them understand. (Even imo if they're that stubborn they'll never understand so you're right it's technically useless)
This is so sad. Thank you so much for covering this controversy, I really appreciate your opinion so much TwoSet :)
I think it's a knee-jerk "what can we do?" reaction that'll soon be repealed when organisers figure out it's bonkers. Would make more sense if concerts programming Russian music featured donations to charities helping Ukraine etc.
OMLL
Just an idea, maybe don’t get your news from TwoSet? They didn’t even do minimal research on the situation and instead chose to amplify Russian propaganda without any respect for the Ukrainian people who are suffering and dying right now. Why anyone would look to them for “perspective” on this situation is so far beyond me.
@@AvocadoPear I get your concerns and true they could have been much more delicate to their fanbase - but for the sake of maintaining a free thinking society - it’s important to critically consider - just because someone is not saying exactly what you want them to and How you want them to, does not make them deserving to be labelled as amplifying Russian propaganda. They are not denying the baseless invasion nor ignoring the suffering of the Ukrainians.
Russian propaganda is extremely different to what they’re saying - if we want to go there - for example it’ll be something like claiming the army is holding a peaceful operation to get rid of nazis and protect ethnic Russians - very different from a plead to just “let musicians play” - it’s very dangerous to fall into extremist narrative like this that’s counterproductive to meaningful dialogue , sustainable peace - i hope all sides can refrain from this dangerous territory
@@sandraryang Plenty of Russian propaganda simply promotes the narrative that every criticism of Russia from the west is simply Russophobia, which is exactly what they did here though. They ignore the nuance of the situation and instead make the false claim that Tchaikovsky’s music was “cancelled” simply because he is Russian - an idea taken straight from the Russian propagandists playbook. And any of their viewers that are also too ignorant go back to the source and read will take this narrative as truth and repeat it regardless of the genuine facts. Sounds like propaganda to me.
9:13 "Do you wanna hear a really dumb story?"
Editor san: IS IT YOUR AUTOBIOGRAPHY😈
"No short cuts in life, and if there are you dont want them anyway" TwoSet is cutting is deeper and deeper with the practice knife
The fact that Russian children are being banned from piano competitions, Russian composers' pieces are being removed from concerts, and anything and anyone Russian has to be labeled bad, is beyond ridiculous and sad.
I feel like it will help Russians realize that the war with Ukraine is wrong, just like the sanctions Russia is facing from the West
Not to mention that all those talented Russian children banned from competitions will grow up with the impression that an entire world hates them, and they might as well start to hate the world, wich is the worst policy...and dangerous for the future of human civilization ( that is, if we want to have a future as a civilization).
@@yanakalabana lol do you really think we need to realize that? he's been in charge way longer here than anywhere else.
Ukrainians being cancelled by russians for centuries just for being Ukrainians aren't sad for you?
Right?? I was looking for auditions and the ads would start normal but then at the end BAM " we wont accept submissions from russians and bieloruss people" This is just so...not it!
As a German this entire cancelling of Russian people has a VERY bad taste to it. I thought and hoped that we as the world have learned that punishing the people for the things 'their' government is doing is not the way forward (if they don't agree with the doing of the government). To cancel and exclude people just because of their heritage is really wrong.
It is definitvely no opportunity to pull out leftist ideas fo "good russians" and "bad germans". Here the russians, or rather a criminal bunch of people around putin are the bad guys. Putin is like some new kind of Hitler. I would at least aask "are you for or ageinst putin", in the former cast I would try to explain why I will cancel this person. Who supports or appoligizes a mass murderer is a criminal too. No more words to be changed with such one.
Wunderbar ausgedrückt, einfach nur traurig was gerade passiert
The thing is it's not just Russian government. Those are Russian soldiers destroying Ukrainian cities and taking lives of thousands of people. You could say "Well, it wasn't their decision". But they still could decide not to do it. If you look at the actual polls, the majority of Russians, like more than 70%, do support this war
this is done on purpose by other governments of west and USA. they just waited for the moment to remove their opponent completely from the western scene... The Russian government doesn't do anything wrong, but the media promotes totally opposite. People who don't live there don't know those details in between Slavic nations especially Ukraine x Russia and what has been going on for decades for real..
And those high and mighty politicians they are using now Ukraine as circus puppy, sad and awful, and innocent people and heritage suffer.
@@yanakalabana But on the other side, if you as a soldier refuse to do it, then you probably will instantly get in prison for who knows how long or they even do something worse with you. And those young people have family, too. So like what you're gonna do. Imagine yourself in this position, what would you do? Would you really have the courage protest against the officers and all those guys? Honestly this discussion would never come to an end.
Hello TwoSet! I am Dmitry Shostakovich's great grandson and my name is Alexei Shostakovich and In my opinion, the Putin's war with Ukraine doesn't have to do anything with the Classical music of the 20th century (such as Shostakovich) and so it is very Sacreligious and Disrespectful to ban Russian classical musicians even though they're already passed away many years ago!
I hope this is understandable
Ling,Ling!
- Alexei Shostakovich
yoo!! no. 1, that’s so cool that you’re related to shostakovich, he was a wonderful composer, no. 2, it’s also awesome that you guys are donating! i agree that it really doesn’t make sense that people are cancelling russian composers because, like eddy said, shostakovich also suffered from influence of the government
NATO suckered Zellinskii into provoking the Russian action, SAME situation as faced Kennedy in the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis. Stoltenberg bribed Zellinskii with billions of dollars to reject President Putin’s offer of a nonaggression pact, if Ukraine would not join NATO. The CIA/DOD/CDC sponsored bioweapons development labs in Ukraine. There is an active Nazi movement in Ukraine complete with torchlight parades and mass rallies. The Azov Battalion, Nazi insignia and beliefs, occupied the Mariupol area and those thugs terrorized its citizens for 8 years. Ukraine has been bombarding the Russian language communities in the Donbas for the last 8 years. Ukraine is the cesspool of Europe, the hub for money laundering, human trafficking and drugs distribution. Zellinskii has banned all political parties except his Nazi party. Zellinskii is imprisoning journalists, who report the truth about what is happening in Ukraine. The billions robbed from US taxpayers to give to the Ukraine kleptocracy is a waste. Many of the weapons sent to Ukraine, an act of war against Russia, will end up on the black market and will probably be used against the US military in the Mideast and Africa. How can anyone support the corrupt regime of Zellinskii?
US has no national interest at stake in Ukraine. NATO and the MIC have selfish interests. There is nothing about Ukraine that merits placing the US at risk of nuclear war with Russia and the resulting catastrophic global destruction.
Wait what 😱😱 is this legit-
@Alexei Shostakovich if Dmitry Shostakovich is your great-grandfather, what is your line of descent from him. Are you the grandson of Maxim or Galina? And which of your parents is their child?
@@nathanhol42001 Yes of course Maxim is my grandfather! My father is the son of Maxim Shostakovich!)
Twoset: Wow, they can play that organ piece with just their feet!
An Organist: Bruh, that's not even half the job...
I'm Russian and to be honest I was a bit nervous, when I saw the title. Recently, there has been a lot of aggression towards Russians on the Internet, and I am terribly tired of making excuses for what I personally didn't do. Music helps me to escape from the nightmare we live in these days, and you guys are like a breath of fresh air. So I just sitting now and can't stop crying.
Thank you a lot for what you're doing. Hope these terrible things end in the nearest future. And whoever read this comment - take care of yourself and your family.
Love you guys ❤️
Stay safe out there!
Nadia, I’m sorry you’ve been experiencing this. 😔 People can be so irrational and cruel! Rest assured many of us do NOT share those nasty feelings. On the contrary, my heart is with all the innocent people suffering from this conflict, Russians included. ❤️
so basically
❎ russians are sacrilegious
✅ russian troops are sacrilegious
kinda thing
yeah ppl need to realize even russians hate putins shenaenaegans
I’ve seen plenty of it, it’s not well-founded nor well thought out. Comes from the wrong kind of place. Tough to stand against that in modern times, and tough to look around and feel like so many of the contemporary narratives don’t represent nuance. Hold strong to doubt, it’s a good thing to have, helps us keep ourselves honest.
Don't worry. The lingling wanabbes got your back. Music is meant to bring peace and love not war and hatred
Cancelling a concert with music from a russian composer will, in my eyes, only create more friction, hate, fear and distrust, which won't help one bit.
We need understanding. Cancelling this concert from a long deceased composer seems absolutely absurd and childish; there's a war going on.
Edit: this comment section be blowing up. Y'all are great.
i honestly can't agree more. i don't know why they think of it so strongly when these people lived in fear from the russian gov and LITERALLY HAVE ALREADY TURNED TO HUMUS??? lmao these people are already 6ft under and the only remnant left of their physical body is a skeleton so why bother? it's not like they did anything to support the war anyways. smh twitter people getting on regular sane people's nerves again
So true. It ignites righteous hate and resolve to endure the sanctions of countries that attack Russian values. Those are sacred sacrifices for people which they won’t soon forget or forgive.
@@msruag I’m not saying it’s the best idea to cancel the concerts, no idea actually.
But it’s also not true that common people have nothing to do with it. There are many, many brave Russian people who fight for the freedom, but most of them just close their eyes to what is happening, they let Putin be in power and they negate the reality around them, not only out of fear but also because it’s more convenient. I would know, because in Poland the same happened, until people did something (talking about the communism, not the current shitty government).
So by those actually which also touch the regular people has also this objective to make them realise that they’re part of it.
In the US, during WWII, two months after the bombing of Pearl Harbor, Franklin Roosevelt, the president at the time, created internment camps for US citizens of Japanese decent. Perhaps there was a righteous reason behind it (the reason cited was to 'curb potential Japanese espionage'), but in the end it created a lot of pain for the Japanese people. There was a lot of racism as well and people's entire livelihoods were destroyed only because they were Japanese.
I see a similar situation forming now, and I'm beginning to see what happened in the US then is actually not all that far fetched.
@@jasminerose727 I‘be been saying it for some time, the freakin’ XXIst century repeats the XXth, even pandemic matched. WWI created ground for WWII. What happens now (a form of a worldwide hybrid war) creates solid ground for the future conflict, the one to end it all. 2039, here we go.
The reason Cardiff canceled the Tchaikovsky concert from the Washington Post:
“As the orchestra’s director, Martin May, explained to me in an email, the philharmonic weighed several factors in deciding to cancel the concert. One was that “a member of the orchestra has family directly involved in the Ukraine situation.” A second was whether it felt right to play “Marche Slave” and the “1812 Overture” - both celebrations of Russian military prowess - as Russia ravages Ukraine. And the musicians didn’t want to offend Ukrainians by playing Tchaikovsky’s “Little Russian” symphony, given that the term has come to be associated with efforts to deny Ukraine a distinct national identity.”
With this info, I feel like it makes a lot more sense why they canceled the show. Pro-Russian military songs aren’t the best look right now.
wish they would pin this comment
To be honest, this is a better explanation of why they cancelled instead of what the tweet said.
I am a theatre nerd so I always get that context is key.
Yep context is everything! But also have been seeing lots of similar responses but for allllllll the wrong reasons (macca's, coke, FIFA etc). This example is a better example of what should be cancelled/held off.
This context is so important in understanding why they chose to cancel the concert. I wish the full article was also addressed, so people could see the nuances of this decision. :')
This explains it. Thanks for the context
I’m a ukrainian displaced by war and it’s strange to give up culture that I grew up with. I spoke russian language my whole life, watched soviet cartoons and movies, read russian books, listened russian and soviet classical music. I have family and friends in Russia. This is common for many ukrainians. I don’t want neither ukrainians, nor russians to suffer. I wish for peace and friendship between our countries, but without dictatorship government.
i'm also ukrainian and I also have family in russia. Half of the family. And are you one of those people who says "it's not all russians? it's only putin?"
putin is not killing our men and women. Putin is not raping our 3-months-old kids in occupied territories.
and putin is not doing all that. russian army and russian people and russian wives are supporting this. Ukraine had 2 revolutions in 10 years because we didn't like what's going on with our government. Many people were killed during 2014.
russians on the other hand didn't do shit. because what? no, they are not afraid. They are supporting this war. They just feel sad because IKEA and H&M closed. Oh my god.
okay, if they even are scared to be in prison for riots and stuff in russia, then why wouldn't they go to the streets in other countries? There are a lot of Ukrainian demonstrations in other countries. Where are russians?
@@Lucy-jf2jd I would avoid blaming either one individual or the entire nation. Everyone who has contributed to violence and destruction is guilty, Putin, army, propagandists, suppliers of weapons etc. Does your family in Russia support the war? I know that mine doesn’t, and a lot of volunteers who help ukrainian refugees are russian immigrants. Should we blame them for the war? I don’t think so.
There are many reasons why russians are not protesting. The immigrants could be afraid of the family and friends back home if they oppose the government. We know that russian can prosecute their family and friends. They might feel powerless, as they were taught that they don’t have any influence on what’s happening in the country. They could simply not care about their homeland and not take its course as their responsibility. A portion of them is also violent by nature and support the war. Every sane human would like to see them protest, but unfortunately this is how it is.
@@minntzu Зачем ты публично продырявился, малорос?
Если у тебя русня не вся виновата и всё не так однозначно, то после нашей Победы можешь смело в страну не возвращаться. Езжай на болото и подтирай сопли своим родственничкам, которые в обязательном порядке понесут наказание, как того заслуживают террористы
к сожалению не все так на это смотрят 🇺🇦❤️🇷🇺
Well, you only have a Ukrainian passport and nothing more. And I am a Ukrainian who stayed in Ukraine, who has spoken Ukrainian all his life and was not a fan of russian culture because I wasn't russified and didn't consider it my own, unlike you. The canceling of russian culture is a temporary phenomenon and will continue until the russians diminish their ambitions and withdraw their troops from our country.
I hope for you, in the new safe country, the absence of russian performers remains the biggest problem, unlike for those who stayed at home.
I kinda like how our school deal with this situation. Our orchestra still performed Tchai’s work, but include a note in the programmer to address the current situation and be clear that music is meant to spread love and peace.
Love your playlist
But like who's going to think, "oh that's a Russian piece, they must support the Russian government"
@@jamesmiller9539 Maybe dumb people in the comments.
@@notcriskey8011 stay safe out there!
If you have to add a note in the program just to justify why you are playing any composer is because something is wrong.
This comment section is so wholesome, I just sit here and cry. Thank you, guys, it really means a lot to see that not everyone in the world hates us. I really hope that this madness will be over soon.
Hello! If you are Russian, just know that I wholeheartedly love your culture, Aerilum. I always did, I always will. You have some of the most important authors, composers, dancers and athletes in the history of humanity. Your country alone contributed immensely to the beauty of this world, and still does. I can't wait for these stupid, idiotic times to end, so that the whole world can embrace your splendid culture again. Please, stay strong. A big virtual hug from Italy.
@@__Tiziana__ Okay, I'm Russian, and I didn't cry earlier, but I'm crying now. Because now it's actually even hard to remember why I love this country and why I was proud to be Russian before all of this. I always hated how military our country was, but nature here is amazing, I love our beautiful language, and our writers, composers, painters, the whole culture always fascinated me, they were a huge influence and inspiration in my life, and I can not express enough how important your words to me. Thank you!
@@argentums8410 No, I don't want you to cry! I was trying to let you know that we are rooting for you. Believe me, I don't know a single person that is holding a grudge against your people, because we ALL understand that this is not your fault, and we are sincerely sorry that you have to deal with this. As this comment section clearly proves, the good and educated people stand by your side. You are not alone! And please don't let this madness ruin your love for your culture and heritage: always remember that you have a lot to be proud of.
I want to believe that happier times are ahead, so please, stay strong and be there! We will be there too! Together.
Please know you aren’t crying alone.
My mother was a ballerina. She trained under Jasinski in Tulsa, Oklahoma. The spirit of Russian art lives and breathes, and while my mother was not Russian, the impact that Russian artistry and music have had on my family and my life cannot be measured. It brings me to tears, feeling that these deep relations may be torn apart.
TowSet- I cannot tell you how refreshing it is to hear someone capable of a cool rational and courteous expression of thought. You even acknowledged the possible motivation behind the opposing point of view (while still offering reasons why it's totally wrong) The fact that so few people can do that or even see the value of that is infuriating. I appreciate you.
Eddy is such a good orator! When expressing his point of view he always sounds like the Voice of Reason itself. Plus the calm tone and eye-contacting with Brett. I love it about him!
9:14 - "is it your autobiography" - EditorSan god-level humour !
A month ago was when I first came across these guys. I pretty much enjoyed the video, so I asked myself, should I subscribe? But then I thought, I'll watch a few more videos to see if it's worth it. And they made me laugh with all my heart, more than I had laughed in that whole lonely month, I was so happy, felt so warm, and I subscribed. Now these two are my comfort people. When I'm sad, I watch them. When I'm tired to live, I watch them. When I'm bored, when I feel lonely, I watch them.
If you guys read this, let me tell you, thanks for making this channel. Thanks for making us laugh, think, learn and love music. I love you both with all my heart. One month after I discovered you, my watchlist and history list is full of your videos. And so is my heart filled with your smiles ♥️
ayyy nice mate
Welcome to the TwoSet community! Some of us are LingLing wannabes hahaha Everyone I've interacted with so far are friendly and very supportive. Hope you continue to enjoy watching Brett and Eddy! 😊
@@zoelee8471 😇♥️
As a musician stuck in Russia it’s so refreshing to hear this point of view, thank you for your support! As to Gergiev and some other big Russian musicians (like Denis Matsuev), if they openly oppose the war and the government, they’d probably have to flee with their entire family like many celebrities here did, but unfortunately not everyone has a dual citizenship and a house in LA…
Both Genevieve and Marsuev has repeatedly said they hate neo-Nazis that were shelling Russians in Donbas for eight years before Russia has finally decided to intervene. Most Russians hate Nazis, naturally. There is an opposite issue: the Russians who have international ties are forced to side with those Nazis against their own people, to betray the memory of their ancestors who were fighting the original Nazis, now officially celebrated in over a thousand memorials throughout Ukraine.
9:13 Is it your autobiography” 🤣 OMLL Editor-San you are too funny
Putin is not a whole Russia
Thank you, Brett and Eddy for your support, this is really important for Russian musicians who want to share music with the rest of the world and do not want war
Stay safe out there!
@@KozakuraRabbit thank you, bro, it is the support of caring people that helps to understand that we can still fix something, and that people will still be able to live in peace
@@user-xc3lo3pr3r I care a lot about the people who are suffering because of this conflict
@@KozakuraRabbit Soo much bans are affecting Russians, they are not staying safe. They are scared of being labeled as traitor everyday. This is absolutely horrible. So many Russian youtubers who did nothing are getting so much hatred.
@@ranjanbiswas3233 it’s awful
The Royal Scottish National Orchestra is actually going to perform Tchaikovsky's No 5 next week, and I will be in the audiance. They couldn't have put the issue better.
"you wanna hear a really dumb story"
"is it your autobiography"
Honestly, it felt so good to watch your video for the first time in weeks. Gave me some hope. Thanks
Don't remember people canceling Hollywood movies when the US was killing civilians in Iraq with drones like a video game
Brown people don't count
The most humiliated decision ever...imagine in ww2, we thought the same about Bach, Beethoven etc...
Well, Wagner's music was banned after the war in many places, and it was banned in Israel until quite recently.
@@late8641 😳
Richard Strauss and Wagner was banned in Israel after war, and Jascha Heifetz was atacked with crowbar, because he thought this ban was stupid, and performed Strauss music. Richard Strauss collaborated with Nazi regime, because he wanted to save his Jewish daughter-in-law and grandchildren.
@@late8641 although I'm an antifascist, I disagree with that!
@@swan3 You know you are right it is so tupid to ban Russian composers. Visit Ukrainе live my life for just one day and you will start to hate everything about Russia
When Brett said, "There's no shortcut in life. Even if there's you don't want it anyway."
I felt that.
Twoset thanks for talking about this!! I really love all the support and love you give to this kind of situations, I seems like a little ray of sunshine in the darkness. ❤❤
That's the first time the twoset video brought me to tears. I tried to escape the reality during the last two weeks watching these educating and funny videos, so I am really grateful to you guys for giving me the sense of safety and cheerfulness these days. I am so frustrated to read news everyday and see how the government is killing innocent people, destroying beautiful and peaceful places, how it's killing its own citizens by sending young men to this useless "special opperation", by wrecking its own laws and principles written in the Constitution. I feel lifeless from time to time. I feel so hated by my own government that tries repress everyone who is not following its agenda. The State Prosecution Agency (i don't know how to translate it properly "Генпрокуратура") has requested my uni to provide it with the info about the students and professors who participated in the protests. It also doesn't like my institute in particular, since it has the Liberal Arts programme which is thought to ruin the fucking "traditional values". Two of my profs have left our country, I'm happy and sad for them at the same time. I'm told to leave it too after the graduation if I have a chance, but why should I leave my own home? Why can't the government care about us and stop looking at other countries? Why?
Everyday the laws are getting more severe. One of the ministry workers (ex-president) proposed returning the death sentence a few days ago, and back then I thought, nah, it's impossible, it's impossible, right? Now I think everything can come into power nowadays. Literally everything.
Sorry, if it made you feel uncomfortable, but I just wanted to spill it out, since everyone around me are as tired and shocked as I am.
I believe in the better world where people will do what they love and love what and who they want without hurting each other. Hope, this dream will be true someday.
Love you guys, thank you for what you're doing. Looking forward to the next video!
Peace!
Это так совпадает с моими мыслями, что мне хочется плакать. Я не хочу покидать свою родину, свою землю, почему из-за глупых мужчин в галстуках я должен стыдиться своего происхождения? Почему я должен испытывать моральные истязания из-за убийства невинных людей? Почему мне нужно драться за пачку сахара в магазине?
Be strong, keep hope, stay true to yourself. In my safe world, far away, I see the harsh sanctions, the ‘cancelling’ of performers and public figures who support P., the Russian sports teams, as good measures to pressure the govt to back down. I’m sorry you will suffer too, but I hope it helps bring the right outcome in the end. Know that most people don’t hate the Russian people that aren’t supporting Mr Ps actions. I hope you get through this ok, after Russia is back behind it’s own borders again. I hope you have a better life.
I always thought that the russian people that don't support this are in the most difficult situation.
From what I noticed most people are aware that regular people like you are victims aswell and they don't hate on you for the decisions of a handful of people in charge. We know you are also oppresesed.
I hope you can find the strenght to deal with the fear in your heart.
I want the best for you and all inocent people on all sides of this conflict.
Reading this stuff makes me sad man
@@amim.6209 I think that Ukrainians dying in war are in the most difficult situation
I feel like that’s so unjust. Composers didn’t start a war with Ukraine… Imagine if people didn’t allow Chinese artwork in museums because it used to be controlled by Mongols - it doesn’t make sense, is irrelative, and is very offensive.
Wow its more offensive than people dying in ukraine huh. Its a form of pressure to pressure russsia to stop their advances, boo hoo i can't play a song boo hoo
@@pda32301 lmao, what pressure???
Naive take. The governments of the world are sending a very clear message to Putin's govt that Russia will not be able to participate in world affairs until this unjust war is ended. Turning the screws everywhere will cause unrest and put mounting pressure on him to pull out and end this. Does it suck for normal Russians? Of course, but that's what happens when you invade a sovereign nation based on lies with no real precedent.
@@pda32301 You think Tchaikovsky will come back from the dead and beat Putin's ass because he can't get royalties???
Oh no, its offensive 😞 Dont let that see your twitter bubble.
I love Editor-san roasting the boys.
"Practice staying on camera pls" 10:05
“There are no shortcuts in life, and if there was, you don’t want it anyway”
- Brett Yang
"There's no shortcuts in life, even if there was you don't want it anyway"
my man Brett spitting some wisdoms
I wanna say a big thank you to you two for raising this topic. As Russian (by birth, not by ethnicity) who is currently living in fear of my life being teared into pieces, I am truly glad to see people who understand that Russian people =/= Russian government. Me and multiple friends of mine were caught during a pacifist protest and arrested. Some people got expelled from uni, imprisoned, obliged to pay some sort of penalty, my mom was threatened to be fired because of me protesting. I just wanna say that we are fighting to bring this peace back, but we are silenced by a great force of army and government. Almost every family in here has relatives in Ukraine, younger generation has friends, lovers. We don't want people to suffer. We want peace. Seeing hate towards my country all around the internet makes me lose hope, but videos like this give me a lot of courage to continue. Thank you so much!
I am a Christian; Jesus taught me to pray "deliver us from evil." I have been praying that every time I read about what is happening in Ukraine. You and the Russian people like you are so courageous! May you all be delivered from those who are persecuting you and oppressing your country.
Cancelling concerts with russian composers, refusing the possibility to take part in competitions for russian young musicians is right. Let me explain why.
All russians are responsible for this war. But they don't understand it. All the cancellations and prohibitions are helping to understand russians that something is not right. These cancellations are helping russians to stop the war.
Why are people responsible for the government? Because they are electing government at the elections. According to the last social poll 70 percent of russians support war against Ukraine. Those 30 who doesn't support war are also responsible for the war, because they didn't stop those 70 percent.
Russia is also working in the information war. Many comments at your video can be also bought by russian government. These comments are forming the opinion, that we have to spare russians. But russians are not dieing from bombs. We are those who are dieing!!! One girl has lost her hand. She doesn't have hand anymore. She will not play violin. Because of russians.
If the composers will not be cancelled, in the Russian TV they will make the report that everyone loves Russian music and enjoys listening to it. And Russian citizens will feel proud of their country. But pride is not what Russians should feel now. They are terrorists. And they have to feel themselves like terrorists.
Composers are not responsible for the war. But they are cancelled because we have to find the way to every head in this world and every men have to understand that the war have to be stopped. If the men cannot understand it atfer the photos, then we will help him to understand it and we will leave him without McDonald's etc.
They are destroying our cities with bombs. They had trown already more than 1000 bombs. They took bomb on the maternity hospital. They took bomb on the the bomb shelter is a Mariupol drama theater where people from destroyed high-rise buildings hid. 1300 people. We still don't know who is alive.
When you are not living in Ukraine all this situation is not awful. But when you see, how is burning your house you cannot sit still.
As for me I am from Ukraine. I am musician. I am suffering a lot now. My situation is not awful, but still I had to leave my work, My city is being bombed by rockets. I ve lost my unkle. He is dead. He was killed by russian troops. Russian army kills ukrainian children. 112 children are already dead. They could live. But they are dead. Mariupol is ruined.
I an very very disappointed about the position of two set violin. I believe, that you just have not enough information about the war, that's why You didn't condemned Russia. Views from Russia doesn't bring money on TH-cam anymore, so I hope that your position is not connected with fear of losing the Russian views.
Last words from me
-Do you know which concentration camp we are being taken to?
-I'm not interested in politics.
@@harkoffsband Вы верите в фальсифицированные опросы, которые публикует государство? Конечно, есть люди, которые не осознают ужасов войны и выступают за нынешнюю политику РФ, но огромное количество людей против войны! Говорить, что мы виноваты в том, что не остановили то консервативное общество, выступающее за войну, просто абсурд.
Я понимаю, что ситуация в вашей стране ужасна, и мне очень жаль, очень вам сочувствую.
Except a LOT of Russians DO support the government and the war, and the ones who don’t say very little in fear for their lives. Both are equally as bad. I hate to say that this war must be brought to Moscow for it to end.
I know lots of Russian people. No one I know says anything against these people, or gives them a hard time. We know that most Russians hate the conflict.
If Russian people want to help, then keep suggesting that the peace is the way forward. It is not protesting, but agreeing with the Government. They mentioned this is a Special Military Operation, and that it will end. There has already been negotiations with Ukraine. So, it looks like the Russian Government wants to end it soon.
Finally, don't beat yourself up. You can only try to help. Promoting peace is the best way.
Twoset needs to start reading and pinning comments in theur youtube videos. A lot more insight from the comments
From what I read the censorship wasn't directed at Tchaikovski himself but rather the 1812 overture since it was about the Russian military victory over Napoleon.
What does Tchaikovsky have to do with this?
Theres some xenophobia going on
Who asked Tchaikovsky, if he would support Putin??
@@swan3 man was busy composing his masterpiece
The article about Cardiff goes on to explain that there is a Ukrainian within the Cardiff players, very much struggling currently with family members caught up in the devastation back in Ukraine and they feel that playing Tchaikovsky right now might not be appropriate…
Not sure how I feel about this… maybe the Ukraine player could have stood down? I don’t know… it’s not me so what could I say!
@@swan3 Tchaikovsky was forced to commit suicide by the government because of his homosexuality. why do you think he’ll support Putin?
@@swan3 This all just goes back to the fact that anti communist propaganda has painted russians as cold and unfeeling robots in the past so much that a russian athlete fucking crying at the olympics sent ripples of shock through the USA back in the day when the propaganda was stronger. People think that since communism=oppression and brainwashing, everyone in that country must be a proud nationalist, cuz how could a robot have a brain and free will to defy the state? Im so sick of this shit. People deserve to live their lives separated from the decisions of their governments because no one has the choice to be born somewhere else like it's a virtual game
The composers didn’t choose to be born in Russia/USSR. They didn’t start the war. Honestly this is no different from yelling slurs at Arab Muslim guys because of the whole series of terrorist attacks. How do they have anything to do with it? They didn’t choose to be born where/how they are.
It is different. People don't want to be reminded of Russia RIGHT NOW. They don't want to celebrate it.. RIGHT NOW. That's the bare minimum. You can wait until the genocide stops before continuing to enjoy that stuff in public. That won't hurt you.
Places want to recognize what's happening and want to put it on hold. Nothing wrong with that.
Also maybe they don't want to create opportunity for nationalist pride.
@@wizardjokes 싫은뎅 ^^
Cancelling concerts with russian composers, refusing the possibility to take part in competitions for russian young musicians is right. Let me explain why.
All russians are responsible for this war. But they don't understand it. All the cancellations and prohibitions are helping to understand russians that something is not right. These cancellations are helping russians to stop the war.
Why are people responsible for the government? Because they are electing government at the elections. According to the last social poll 70 percent of russians support war against Ukraine. Those 30 who doesn't support war are also responsible for the war, because they didn't stop those 70 percent.
Russia is also working in the information war. Many comments at your video can be also bought by russian government. These comments are forming the opinion, that we have to spare russians. But russians are not dieing from bombs. We are those who are dieing!!! One girl has lost her hand. She doesn't have hand anymore. She will not play violin. Because of russians.
If the composers will not be cancelled, in the Russian TV they will make the report that everyone loves Russian music and enjoys listening to it. And Russian citizens will feel proud of their country. But pride is not what Russians should feel now. They are terrorists. And they have to feel themselves like terrorists.
Composers are not responsible for the war. But they are cancelled because we have to find the way to every head in this world and every men have to understand that the war have to be stopped. If the men cannot understand it atfer the photos, then we will help him to understand it and we will leave him without McDonald's etc.
They are destroying our cities with bombs. They had trown already more than 1000 bombs. They took bomb on the maternity hospital. They took bomb on the the bomb shelter is a Mariupol drama theater where people from destroyed high-rise buildings hid. 1300 people. We still don't know who is alive.
When you are not living in Ukraine all this situation is not awful. But when you see, how is burning your house you cannot sit still.
As for me I am from Ukraine. I am musician. I am suffering a lot now. My situation is not awful, but still I had to leave my work, My city is being bombed by rockets. I ve lost my unkle. He is dead. He was killed by russian troops. Russian army kills ukrainian children. 112 children are already dead. They could live. But they are dead. Mariupol is ruined.
I an very very disappointed about the position of two set violin. I believe, that you just have not enough information about the war, that's why You didn't condemned Russia. Views from Russia doesn't bring money on TH-cam anymore, so I hope that your position is not connected with fear of losing the Russian views.
Last words from me
-Do you know which concentration camp we are being taken to?
-I'm not interested in politics.
@@harkoffsband analogy: so all Americans are responsible to killing innocent people in Yemen, Iraque, Lybia, Afganistan? Look at the numbers...the numbers of dead children is pretty disturbing.... So we must cancel all composers from USA, too? And give a push to stop all wars that Americans started and they are still going on?
@@TVGorskikotar yes.
OMLL after an stressful day relaxation to Twoset is everything
I agree it's wrong to cancel entire composers. But this whole thing got misreported. Cardiff cancelled their performance of the *1812 overture* because they felt a Russian military piece was inappropriate. Then the British media (who are currently obsessed with accusing things of being 'culture wars' and 'woke cancelling') jumped on it and made it sound like Tschaikovsky was being cancelled just for being Russian. It's not the whole story!
Came here to comment this - glad that someone else beat me to it!
In that case, they're right to do that. The piece was meant to celebrate the victory of the Napoleanic War for Russia. Interesting though, Tchaikovsky, unlike other Russian composers at the time, was less interested in the nationalistic aspect of music. That piece was an exception and he still definitely deserves to be heard as well as other Russian composers who likely wouldn't have supported this pointless war.
EXACTLY! How hard is to click on the website and read the whole article. I am so disappointed...
@@bachagain1685 exactly which makes twosets take on this lacking in nuance and information
Cancelling concerts with russian composers, refusing the possibility to take part in competitions for russian young musicians is right. Let me explain why.
All russians are responsible for this war. But they don't understand it. All the cancellations and prohibitions are helping to understand russians that something is not right. These cancellations are helping russians to stop the war.
Why are people responsible for the government? Because they are electing government at the elections. According to the last social poll 70 percent of russians support war against Ukraine. Those 30 who doesn't support war are also responsible for the war, because they didn't stop those 70 percent.
Russia is also working in the information war. Many comments at your video can be also bought by russian government. These comments are forming the opinion, that we have to spare russians. But russians are not dieing from bombs. We are those who are dieing!!! One girl has lost her hand. She doesn't have hand anymore. She will not play violin. Because of russians.
If the composers will not be cancelled, in the Russian TV they will make the report that everyone loves Russian music and enjoys listening to it. And Russian citizens will feel proud of their country. But pride is not what Russians should feel now. They are terrorists. And they have to feel themselves like terrorists.
They are destroying our cities with bombs. They had trown already more than 1000 bombs. They took bomb on the maternity hospital. They took bomb on the the bomb shelter is a Mariupol drama theater where people from destroyed high-rise buildings hid. 1300 people. We still don't know who is alive.
When you are not living in Ukraine all this situation is not awful. But when you see, how is burning your house you cannot sit still.
As for me I am from Ukraine. I am musician. I am suffering a lot now. My situation is not awful, but still I had to leave my work, My city is being bombed by rockets. I ve lost my unkle. He is dead. He was killed by russian troops. Russian army kills ukrainian children. 112 children are already dead. They could live. But they are dead. Mariupol is ruined.
I an very very disappointed about the position of two set violin. I believe, that you just have not enough information about the war, that's why You didn't condemned Russia. Views from Russia doesn't bring money on TH-cam anymore, so I hope that your position is not connected with fear of losing the Russian views.
Last words from me
-Do you know which concentration camp we are being taken to?
-I'm not interested in politics.
I'd love to see that Rush E played by TwoSet, it didn't sound impossible so it could be a lot of fun
I don‘t think they should cancel Russian composers…
For example: when Covid started there was a lot of hate against Chinese people. There it was said stop the hate because it isn’t their fault. But now Russians get hated and discriminated, even though it isn’t their decision to start war. 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
I was thinking the same. I don't get the hate towards all russians. You don't hate an entire country because of wrong actions of a person or small group... Also so many russians are protesting against this war and even getting arrested and this is how the world reacts? Let's ban things from other countries who are hurting people too, I guess?
From my point of view it is not as straight-forward. It is not their responsibility but it is the responsibility of the government they freely elected. From what I know from the polls, 50-70% of Russians support the war and their president's support rate just skyrocketed as he started the war in 2014.
P.S. I'm Ukrainian and I do not support cancelling the composers. Rachmaninoff is my favourite composer to listen to and to play.
@@BalakinMykola Remember when Trump wanted to build a wall between the US and mexico? Americans also freely elected that orange guy, but I didn't see anyone hating all Americans because of his actions, you know? This war is wrong, but the way people are treating Russians is so different... As if they're the worst people in history.
@@pretzelx still from what I know, 50%+ Russians openly welcome the war.
@@BalakinMykolaThe polls and the elections are fake, and have been for ages. Source: am Russian. Most people are against this horrific war, they're just afraid to speak up because it quite literally means prison time (and there you'll likely be tortured, and that is NOT an exaggeration). Я не знаю, русскоговорящий ли вы или украиноговорящий, но на всякий случай напишу и так: не верьте нашей официальной статистике, правительство пишет там то, что хочет. Очень многие против. Бюджетников заставляют устраивать акции за войну под угрозой увольнения, но и то не все идут.
"What´s happening in Ukraine is not good" is such an understatement. Seeing bodies- not people, but bodies- torn, limbs scattered of people that played music- anonymous hands and bodies of once-living people that enoyed music.... When you see such scenes part of your soul dies. I didn´t even see that but listening to refugees is so hard that sometimes I even need to take a break ang go to toilet to vomit, becaouse it´s too much to bear. "Whats happening is not good" is vague understatement.
I absolutely agree. Why people are talking about the war like it's a weather forecast? You can't just compare Russians getting canceled everywhere and Ukrainians loosing their homes, their beloved ones. It sounds like " Yup what's happening in Ukraine is sad, BUT RUSSIANS ARE GETTING BULLIED , OH NO" Being neutral about the war is absurt. You either support it or are against it. There is no in between. Innocent people are dying. Innocent children are dying. Schools , kindergardens and even hospitals are being bombed. You talk about Russian music being canceled, but what about the theatre in Mariupol being bombed? It was used as a shelter. There were women and children there. And even though Putin is the one who gives orders, who really bombes cities? Who kills innocent people in Ukraine? Russian soldiers. I'm sorry, but saying that Russians are completely innocent in this situation is .... wrong.
@@Vee_Govski672 I disagree with you on this. This is not Russian´s war, it´s Putin´s war and he dragged innocent russians into this. It is obvious from reaction of many russian citizens, that a lot of them have no idea what´s happening, because everything in news is propaganda. Young boys that thought they are there to take mandatory military training are shocked when it´s revealed to them that they were sending missles on schools and hospitals. Kremlin wanted this war and made its people into hostages. E.g. here in Czech republic are a lot of russians that openly denounced this war and are actively engaging with humanitarian help, using profits from their own companies, but are struggling because some czechs refuse to sell them materials they need to produce the goods. I feel like many russians are just "hostages" in this situation.
@@blablah9938 First of all, we can't say surely whether Russian soldiers really though that they were taken for training or not. It seems quite possible to me that they were simply told to say that. I'm not saying that it is all the Russians fault. Russians behaviour can be easily explained. Moreover, i respect all those Russians who really do something to stop the war. And by "do something" i mean really do something and not just say"i dont want the war". However, those Russians are the minority. The majority of Russians actually support the war. Even considering the fact the they were brainwashed, explanation is not justifictation. And even if Russian soldiers thought that they were taken for training, can we really call them completely innocent after they bombed Ukrainian cities and attacked civillians. I think not.
@@Vee_Govski672 Didn´t even tought of possibility that the captured soldiers might be lying... There is so much propaganda from every side and it´s hard to distinguish what might be the truth and I say that from country where all information channels are accesible. This war already caused too much pain and I try to be carefull not to cause any more pain to someone, just based on their nationality.
@@blablah9938 I can understand your point of view. However, as a Ukrainian,i can't forgive Russian soldiers for what they did to my land. No Ukrainian can. For decades Ukrainians lived with the inferiority complex because of the influence of the Russian government. There were cases where you couldn't get a job in Ukraine because you didn't speak Russian. Moveover, there were many cases through the entire History of Ukraine when Russian government tried to invade my land and destroyed my culture. Chornobyl. The Holodomor, Ems Ukaz. Valuev Circular. Executed Renaissance. Serfdom. (you can search it up if you want). We are just fed up with all the Russification we went through. So it pains me when people call Ukrainians and Russians brothers. Because we are not. We never were. It pained me to see how Russian government tried steal our culture, saying that Stalin created Ukraine. The word "Ukraine" was first mentioned in 1187, whereas Moscovia apperead almost 200 years later. And Moscovia was renamed to Russia in 15th century (or even later))
I'm sorry if i'm bothering you too much with this comment. It's just pains me.. A lot.
Don't cancel people.
Let them have their heritage, their opinions, their beliefs.
Only reason to cancel a musician is if he can't play (or if he did like something criminal)
Dam cancel someone because they cant play an instrument?
@@boozeblaster6620
yes, if they don't play ir make music then they aren't a musician lmaoo
How would doing anything criminal affect the quality of their music?
@@staceyfunk9689 his point was to cancel a musician if they committed crime, not that committing a crime would affect the quality of their playing.
Half the US rappers in the 90s were criminals, lots of people still listen to them. Being a terrible person sadly doesn’t mean terrible art
Art is art, doesn't matter where it belongs from, respect it.
The fact that people "cancelled" it, tells me that they know nothing about it.
It is to annoy the oligarchs and anyone at the top too
Art is art, but also "[Wagner's] operas are often thought to extol the virtues of German nationalism."
Art is art is art but nothing exists in a vacuum. Saying "it is just music" is a superficial way of looking at any subject but especially music since inspiration and historical context play huge roles in its creation. Its similar to the swastika or confederate flag: we don't hang either of those up unless we support their context, which in those cases are criminal/hateful parties. You might like the design before recognizing its context, but when you recognize the context the art should lose its appeal to you since you are inadvertently supporting what it represents. I will admit that it comparing russian music composed by dead people to the confederate flag is a different scenario, but regardless you are supporting a country violating international law and committing war crimes. This is because we are in the context of a war, right here, right now. We aren't cancelling history because we don't like history, we are choosing not to support a militaristic state by rejecting any media from them and by simaltaneously recognizing the efforts of the Russian people who are staunchly opposed to the war. Think of that figure skater who was kicked off the team for not opposing the war. Its the same principle, anyone who thinks that Russia should be in Ukraine should not be given a platform in which to spread their propaganda and militaristic ideas.
Exactlly
@@parizadn8691 By playing music from a composer who died a century ago, they are supporting Russian militarism and propaganda. Got it.
At least try and hide your bigotry.
Targeting people based solely on their nationality just feels wrong and a move in the wrong direction. Forcing people to make a public declaration putting them at odds with a regime that doesn’t hesitate to persecute, imprison and even poison people that disagree with them is essentially condemning them to be exiled until that regime is changed. And Putin has even had dissidents poisoned who were living outside Russia. A change of regime in Russia can’t happen too soon, but may not happen at all. As for Vengerov, his reaction is just what one would expect from this man. A great violinist and a courageous human being. Thanks for bringing this topic up. How lucky we in the west are to be able to speak freely. How easy it is for us to take that for granted.
Targeting people on nationality is sadly a trend since ancient history. 😔
For a certain period in history what we now know as Ukraine was actually part of Russia or Soviet Union. Therefore by cancelling" "Russian" composers one is also cancelling composers rooted in Ukraine to an extent, and there's a great risk that you actually cancel more "Ukrainian" composers than those from parts of Russia back then which is still known as Russia now.
best comment.
Well said!! 👏👏 I love this comment
@@TheShadowPerson. right? Humans always say we learn from history, but it seems we don't. We just reframe things with different words and reasoning and do the same thing over and over.😥
In Italy they tried to remove Dostoevsky from a university course. It’s absolutely ridiculous. At this point lets cancel every musician or author that come from a nation that started wars or battle. OH WAIT-
Ed : You wanna hear a really dumb story ??
Editor-san : Is it your auto-biography ??
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I love Brett’s last line in the video! 🤗
“No shortcuts in life, and even if there was you wouldn’t want it anyway.”
It means a lot that you guys tried ti talk about this with all your sincere feelings and thoughts. Music is supposed to bring us together. ❤️❤️
Cancelling concerts with russian composers, refusing the possibility to take part in competitions for russian young musicians is right. Let me explain why.
All russians are responsible for this war. But they don't understand it. All the cancellations and prohibitions are helping to understand russians that something is not right. These cancellations are helping russians to stop the war.
Why are people responsible for the government? Because they are electing government at the elections. According to the last social poll 70 percent of russians support war against Ukraine. Those 30 who doesn't support war are also responsible for the war, because they didn't stop those 70 percent.
Russia is also working in the information war. Many comments at your video can be also bought by russian government. These comments are forming the opinion, that we have to spare russians. But russians are not dieing from bombs. We are those who are dieing!!! One girl has lost her hand. She doesn't have hand anymore. She will not play violin. Because of russians.
If the composers will not be cancelled, in the Russian TV they will make the report that everyone loves Russian music and enjoys listening to it. And Russian citizens will feel proud of their country. But pride is not what Russians should feel now. They are terrorists. And they have to feel themselves like terrorists.
Composers are not responsible for the war. But they are cancelled because we have to find the way to every head in this world and every men have to understand that the war have to be stopped. If the men cannot understand it atfer the photos, then we will help him to understand it and we will leave him without McDonald's etc.
They are destroying our cities with bombs. They had trown already more than 1000 bombs. They took bomb on the maternity hospital. They took bomb on the the bomb shelter is a Mariupol drama theater where people from destroyed high-rise buildings hid. 1300 people. We still don't know who is alive.
When you are not living in Ukraine all this situation is not awful. But when you see, how is burning your house you cannot sit still.
As for me I am from Ukraine. I am musician. I am suffering a lot now. My situation is not awful, but still I had to leave my work, My city is being bombed by rockets. I ve lost my unkle. He is dead. He was killed by russian troops. Russian army kills ukrainian children. 112 children are already dead. They could live. But they are dead. Mariupol is ruined.
I an very very disappointed about the position of two set violin. I believe, that you just have not enough information about the war, that's why You didn't condemned Russia. Views from Russia doesn't bring money on TH-cam anymore, so I hope that your position is not connected with fear of losing the Russian views.
Last words from me
-Do you know which concentration camp we are being taken to?
-I'm not interested in politics.
For context, the piece that Cardiff Philharmonic removed from their programme was the 1812 Overture. As Tchaikovsky wrote this to commemorate a successful Russian defence to an invasion (ie a military victory), I think it is understandable that it was removed. Ideally, I think it should have been replaced it with a different, more suitable piece of Tchaikovsky rather than music by non-Russian composers. HOWEVER I think a large part of the blame also lies on news agencies, who through attention-grabbing headlines such as the one in this video imply and propagate the idea of censoring of all things Russian.
I have to disagree here. 1812 Overture was to commemorate Russian defense, not Russian invasion.
Personally I think like some Russophobic hysteria is now a go. Sanctions are fine, but sometimes I see people doing things that overall only hurt the Russian public not the government.
I seen a news of fake reviewing a shop that flies Ukrainian flag although they speak Russian. Owners are Ukrainian, its a norm for Ukrainian to speak Russian or even Romanian.
I think what we witnessing is an Iron curtain closing from both sides, and the Russian public might not bother with international connectivity anymore, given the random hate they will receive even if they don't agree with the war.
defense not invasion they are invaded by the french
@@whatisdis of course there are some cases of Russian phobia, but it is not majorly happening, it is couple of idiots. And it is not good. I agree, people need to think more critically.
But this action was not case of Russian phobia, just read the whole article or whole reason of the dirigent why. They will still be playing Tchaikovsky pieces and other Russian composers, just not the ones about military, because in these times it would not be appropriate. They are not banning this piece forever, they just changed the program, because honestly in this time can you imagine being on the concert and than playing this military piece with canoons. You would feel little awkward. I mean the dirigent even said that Tchaikovsky is one of his favourite composers.
And of course 1812 Overture is not about invasion but about military defense but it still is a lot of inappropriate to play this piece when we are fully in war.
Also the fact that TwoSet did not cover what is happening in Ukraine, but when people are protesting all things russian suddenly they're vocal. Disappointing. Besides, my russian friends are saying that majority of people who scream about "russophobia" as they call it, were actively using slurs for asian minorities, jews, ukrainians, poc. Phobia of nation that is killing your people is normal. Unfortunately not a lot of people know about Holodomor, Killed Renaissance, repressions of Ukrainians. My great uncle was repressed by Soviet Russia. But poor russians, they're hated for staying silent when my people were dying
What are you talking about, Russia was invaded by Napoleon Bonaparte
The fact this was put into a LL40HRS meme/reddit review was quite insensitive. You're basically doing a Jeremy Clarkson "Oh no! ....Anyway" meme but on an actual serious topic. And some info on the cardiff orchestra, they were going to play the 1812 Overture (militaristic) and Symphony 2 (titled “Little Russian”). 1812 does literally depict the russian army stomping its (at that time french) enemy into the ground, tell me how that is appropriate to play right now. It was a one-off cancel, my friend had an all-Tchaikovsky concert last week that started off with the ukrainian anthem in support of them.
It surprised me that this was Ling Ling 40 Hours, but I appreciated that there was humor mixed in with an otherwise depressing topic. I guess that's something that depends on the person, though. I do think the rest of what you said is important to know.
@@kristinam4178 Ukrainian fans are upset that they glossed over it. There's a really good discussion going on in their subreddit lingling40hours. The 'humour' was insensitive and in bad taste.
@@kristinam4178 Imagine being a Ukrainian fan who watches twoset for comfort and they see this video.. .that's a stab to the heart.
I hadn't seen anything suggesting Ukrainian fans were upset until now, so I did not realize. I might very well feel the same if I were in their position, understandably. As one comment put it, there is no comparison between students being banned from competitions and students being dead. My point is not that the video is better this way or that there is no problem. It's that I was able to find value in the way they did it. It's just a different viewpoint.
@@mirandabaker2438 thank you for mentioning reddit. I don't have an account, so I rarely see posts there.
Racism and discrimination against Russian people will in no way shape or form support the end the of the war. It will only spark fury and uproar with people. What we should do is help people survive, cope, and recover from this terrible war.
I believe sparking fury and uproar among the people is exactly the point. It is meant to wake people up and create pressure to Putin from the inside of the country.
Yeah, I can safely tell you that this generally creates exactly the opposite effect. The "we're gonna force you to overthrow your government by creating deficiency of food, technology and meds for you" tactic is pretty much a blackmail. People generally don't like being blackmailed. So it's not helping. Also, those that managed to escape during the first 2 weeks are now stranded on the foreign streets with no money because visa&mastercard blocked their access to their bank accounts. Oh yeah, I can see how that creates fury and uproar. But not the one you would expect.
Fine, use ethinicism, still means the same thing, just more specific. Please stop enticing argument. I don't appreciate being told what to and what not to do regarding research.
@Kevin L this isn't America's war, this is Russia and Ukraines war
@Kevin L I'd rather not listen to propaganda of Ukriane being a Saint and Russia and everyone and everything related to it being responsible for its actions. I don't want this war. I sympathize over losses on both sides. But I don't support my country being demoralized.
Thank you, TwoSet, for such a support! We, russian people, are under a great pressure from the whole world now, especially from our own government. We can't even speak for ourselves properly because of severe censorship, repression and propaganda. So thank you a lot for speaking up for us! I honestly did not expect, that you can bring this topic up, such a nice surprise!
Нет войне!
P. S.
Your videos are one of the few things, thet can make me laugh these days. Thank you for that.
Нет войне! Agree with you
Обнимаю из Украины 💛💙
Надеюсь, что это безумие закончится как можно скорее. Потому что в любой войне страдает прежде всего обычный народ, а не правители, которые её начали.
@blacknester the fact u think we have control over a dictator who kills protestors 💀
@blacknester if it was that easy it would've been done already. Please take the time to recognize your ignorance here and apologize
@blacknester and i suspect you are saying this from the comfort of you own stable country? stop being ignorant
Please do the rush E arrangement! And also of course, thank you for covering the controversy, as everyone said this was greatly needed ❤️
SMB hid that piece already 😂
Brett and Eddy are like my Asian parents telling me to practice at the end of every video, omll I love you guys so much haha.
Mozart and Bach were still being played in London during the height of the Blitz, during ww2 the Germans didn't ban Tchaikovsky's music even after they invaded Russia. It's ridiculous to cancel art because of war.
Germans did ban Jewish composers though. There's a good book that outlines around 10 composers that were banned completely.
@@quadricode yes, mainly ones who made atonal "music".
@@JG_1998 What's your implication? That Jews were banned by Nazi Germany because they weren't creating "music" (according to you)?
@@quadricode no i was just pointing out that a lot of the reason they banned jewish music is because they associated it all with atonality and jazz (which are both gross).
@@JG_1998 Might wanna conceal your dogwhistles a little more.
The line between hitting Putin and his friends and hitting just everything that is russian seems very blurry for some people. I mean my ukranian friends speak russian and they are likely to get hate here just because of that fact while they fled their f*cking homes because of all this.
And yeah banning dead people's music is also weird, I love and wholeheartedly agree with the statement of the scottish orchestra there.
I live in Ukraine my whole life and half of my family are speaking Russian. They were never discriminated because of the language.
Language never was a real problem.
Ofc not all russian people are putin supporters, but, if he's still in charge, maybe russian folks carry a lil bit of blame for that
@@alicedragendorf I know Ukrainians who speak Russian too and they never mentioned any problems. I don't get it, Russian is The President of Ukraine's native language, none of it makes sense to me.
Even if Tchaikovsky wasn't one of my favourite composers I'd still strongly disagree with banning a long dead composer's music based on their nationality.
@@alexdonnelly99ify I agree about the composers. Russia has great cultural heritage.
However, it's not that clear with Russians who are still living today. Some of them don't support war while others do. And all of them are paying taxes for the army that kills innocent people. Also, for years Russian propaganda calls Ukrainian people nazis and even claims that Ukraine never existed as a country or as a nation. And Russian journalists made it possible. I understand that fighting against the autocratic regime is not easy (if not even impossible). But if most Russians didn't follow putin's oders, this war wouldn't be possible
@@alexdonnelly99ify yeah it's not about Ukrainians in Ukraine, but lately I hear stories of countries where they have experienced hate because people thought they were Russian.
5:28 it was pretty shocking to see Kobekina's face here....realy love her playing.... especially that Bach 6th suite 1st mvt recording
Swan Lake has also been cancelled in my city. I can see both sides, but I always saw art/music as something that transcends things like war.. I just hope it it ends soon, enough lives have been lost..
Hi from Ukraine! I'm native Ukrainian, so I don't only get musical education on this channel, TwoSetViolin also helps me to learn English) I want to say, that I hate and ready to kill everyone, who came in my country with war, who came in my house to murder my compatriots. BUT. Tchaikovsky isn't my enemy, he is one of the greatest russian composers I have ever heard about. I don't want anyone to forbid his music or any russian classical music. It is art. Art has to bring joy into this world and distract us from any evil. So for me it's just nonsence. Stop canceling russian composers, it's sacreligious
Don’t worry, the glorious Russian composers will be there, long after Mr P is dead and gone. And so will Ukraine. Stay strong and hopeful, be safe.
@@susanbryant6516 For sure. Thank you!
It is nonsence, because that did not happen. They did not cancel russian composers, they just changed the program because Tchaikovsky 1812 Overture is about russian defense and military. And there are parts for canoons. They did not feel it would be appropriate in these times play this piece. They will continue play music from russian composers. I thinkk the dirigent even said that Tchaikovsky is his favourite composer or something like that.
But Eddie and Brett read only the title not the whole article so...
@@lenochod6 I‘ve seen you in a couple comments trying to explain people the facts and everyone just glosses over it. This video is so dissapointing because a slight bit of misinformation from two guys who are not politically versed created a comment section focused victimizing russians who were never victimized in the first place. I hope they address this and apologize.
@@anamariaalonso7645 Hey calm down though, apparently there's a wider context where russian minors are being banned from competing, Ukrainians speaking russian are getting hate for the language etc. Clearly the russian situation is not at all (!!) as extreme as Ukraine's and I do understand where people are coming from, and I'm also really frustrated about the Tchaik misinfo, but the video isn't wholly wrong. I do hope they learn though.
Punishing the dead is easier than the actual war criminals, I suppose.
This is rlly sad to hear. I totally agree with Eddy, it shouldn’t be your nationality that counts, it should be if you are or aren’t against this war. Thank you TwoSet for covering this!
Btw… could someone tell me what the piece at 5:47 is called? I swear I’ve heard it before…😅
Cancelling Russian musicians, composers, athletes, restaurants, etc simply for being Russian isn't a fight for democracy and freedom, it's ethnocide, and there is no legitimate argument in favor of such a thing.
I agree that in some situations this has been a real problem, but there's a pretty significant difference between ethnocide and an orchestra that had a musician with family in Ukraine not wanting to play the 1812 Overture, an overtly patriotic piece commemorating Russian military strength, just weeks after the initial invasion.
I think this entire situation was blown way out of proportion thanks to sensationalist reporting from the daily mail that removed necessary context and got some random philharmonic orchestra sent a barrage of hate for making what most people would consider a pretty reasonable decision given the circumstances.
excuse me.
do you have 400 exhumation graves in liberated city? In one liberated city? You don't tell us what is ethnocide. Ukrainians are suffering from the genocide of russians almost a year now.
i have a lot of legitimate arguments. just ask me.
every russian is supporting this war as long as they are silenced. as long as they are not doing anything about it.
It's bigotry.
@@user-en7dx1qp3k that's still stupid and shallow
"democracy" is when only USA people live good, otherwise it not "democracy".
I find this ironic because the very same people who decried racism during Covid are perfectly okay with being hateful towards traditional Russian culture and random Russians who have nothing to do with Putin or the war against Ukraine. It’s absurd. I’ll never stop listening to the composers I love to please their sensibilities.
THIS
Thank you.
I don’t think it’s generally the very same people, maybe a lotta liberals but liberals have a history of double standards. All the leftists I know understand nuance and shit, and are generally the ones who will call out racism even when it’s politically inconvenient.
I mean the people who decried racism during Covid are probably going to be more aware of the difference between Russian people and the Russian government, just like how they're aware of the difference between Chinese people and the Chinese government so I'm not sure if that's really an accurate statement. I'm sure there's some overlap but I'd bet the correlation probably goes the other way.
Thank you for the bringing up this important topic. I was very glad to hear your point of view on it. Many russians are against the war, we don`t support the government and we want all these sufferings to stop. Нет войне!
I love you guys but I think you need to rethink how you articulated some of your points in this. The ‘joke’ about ‘v daddy’ came across as pretty insensitive for example.
9:14 Editor San too savage! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I had to pause the video and laugh for 10 minutes 😂😂 totally saving it though so I can use it sometime hahaha
It’s funny though, how America and its allies accuses Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and China’s potential military threat to Taiwan, but they justify the invasion of Syria or Iraq or Afghanistan as ‘rightful counter-terrorism’? Invasion is invasion, no matter what excuse you use.
Mans totally forgot 9/11 was a thing. Kids these days smh
.. is this really the place for this?
An attack on some tower means death to all Muslims? No thank you!
@@jubberwocky63 “some tower” “all Muslims” now I’m not the one claiming all Muslims are terrorists here buddy that was pretty racist to assume they were.
@@aquafreesh9219 9/11 was a tragedy but it didn't come out of nowhere.
I think if you donate the cannons to Ukraine after every performance of the 1812 it's ok.
I'm from South Wales near Cardiff and this was news for a while when the orchestra announced the change. I think it's worth pointing out that the original concert was meant to have been Tchaikovsky's 1812 overture which was another reason for cancelling. I see both sides of the argument and was thinking about this when I recently auditioned for Cardiff University playing Rachmaninoff's Prelude C# Minor (the bells of Moscow)
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Cancelling concerts with russian composers, refusing the possibility to take part in competitions for russian young musicians is right. Let me explain why.
All russians are responsible for this war. But they don't understand it. All the cancellations and prohibitions are helping to understand russians that something is not right. These cancellations are helping russians to stop the war.
Why are people responsible for the government? Because they are electing government at the elections. According to the last social poll 70 percent of russians support war against Ukraine. Those 30 who doesn't support war are also responsible for the war, because they didn't stop those 70 percent.
Russia is also working in the information war. Many comments at your video can be also bought by russian government. These comments are forming the opinion, that we have to spare russians. But russians are not dieing from bombs. We are those who are dieing!!! One girl has lost her hand. She doesn't have hand anymore. She will not play violin. Because of russians.
If the composers will not be cancelled, in the Russian TV they will make the report that everyone loves Russian music and enjoys listening to it. And Russian citizens will feel proud of their country. But pride is not what Russians should feel now. They are terrorists. And they have to feel themselves like terrorists.
They are destroying our cities with bombs. They had trown already more than 1000 bombs. They took bomb on the maternity hospital. They took bomb on the the bomb shelter is a Mariupol drama theater where people from destroyed high-rise buildings hid. 1300 people. We still don't know who is alive.
When you are not living in Ukraine all this situation is not awful. But when you see, how is burning your house you cannot sit still.
As for me I am from Ukraine. I am musician. I am suffering a lot now. My situation is not awful, but still I had to leave my work, My city is being bombed by rockets. I ve lost my unkle. He is dead. He was killed by russian troops. Russian army kills ukrainian children. 112 children are already dead. They could live. But they are dead. Mariupol is ruined.
I an very very disappointed about the position of two set violin. I believe, that you just have not enough information about the war, that's why You didn't condemned Russia. Views from Russia doesn't bring money on TH-cam anymore, so I hope that your position is not connected with fear of losing the Russian views.
Last words from me
-Do you know which concentration camp we are being taken to?
-I'm not interested in politics.
@@harkoffsband
Oh, so the poor Chinese grandmother who is struggling to sustain herself has to hold responsibility for the atrocities in Xinjiang/Turkestan? The peaceful Turk who sold ice cream or baklava had to hold responsibility for the Armenian Genocide? The struggling British factory labourer had to hold responsibility for the atrocities of their empire? The solitary old German man who lived in the countryside and farmed for a living had to hold responsibility for the atrocities of Nazi Germany? The poor Kampuchean woman who was tortured everyday by Pol Pot’s lapdogs had to hold responsibility for his actions? *The peaceful monk from Buryatia who just wants to live life has to hold responsibility for Putin’s bad decisions?* Hm? Ever thought about it from that point of view?
Russians already know everything is wrong. Russians already know Putin is a warmonger. You don’t need to perform blatantly racist acts to get them to understand, for they understand already. All I see here is an ignorant person who is blinded by the biases of war.
@@harkoffsband That “30% minority” is, or at least was, a large and vocal minority that has protested against war many times over, both in other countries, and in Russia itself. Do you know what happened to the Russian protestors in Russia? They were *detained.* That is why they’re so afraid of speaking out again.
@@harkoffsband Also, are you seriously suggesting that TwoSet is bootlicking Russia? They have proven many times over that they are both good people and supporters of Ukraine’s cause! All I see here is blind hate from someone who is likely 40 or so years old.
@@harkoffsbandFurthermore, the simple fact that Putin and his lapdogs are controlling the Russian soldiers likely against their will and indoctrinating them, does NOT mean that the common Russian folk cannot enjoy their own music, and it is GOOD! Any amount of war crimes cannot change the fact that Russian Classic, Romantic, and Early Modern music is GOOD! Blind hate of war, that’s what you’re feeling right now!
I just love how Brett see his quote have been used a lot and reused it here lol
Such a well articulated commentary on the situation. Very humanizing and empathetic. Tears in my eyes. Also so many props to the fans who posted great comments.
Listen to Shostakovich as well everyone. Very sad but compelling story of his music surviving the Russian Revolution and its government at the time
I think we need to stop canceling things just because our feelings get hurt. Cancellation is destroying everyone and everything around us including ourselves and putting unfair boundaries and limitations on our future
Agree. Especially in this age of no absolute truth. That 'moral' line is very hard to find and who gets to enforce that line?
@Kevin L and how can you ignore the bigger picture of the cancellation of anything at all? Wrong creates wrong and escalation always happens
Chopin:
Debussy: OMLL
LOOOLLL
In case for those who didn’t know, I’m pretty sure the joke at 7:09 is a reference to how Chopin is always depressed due to his long term struggle with tuberculosis.
I don’t understand why it’s always the innocent people who suffer the most because of the evil deeds of a few cruel people. I don’t think it’s fair at all to banish everything that’s Russian
In every dictatorship, the population becomes the dictator's hostages in a way. That is why every peaceful solution is tried for as long as possible -- to limit the pain of those innocents. Currently we see what happens when a dictator refuses to learn, or back down.
@blacknester Stop spamming bullshit, Elected? Putin never held a fair election in the first place.
@Kevin L well, the problems are piling up into a big ol' mountain, so they're still problems nonetheless.
Cancelling concerts with russian composers, refusing the possibility to take part in competitions for russian young musicians is right. Let me explain why.
All russians are responsible for this war. But they don't understand it. All the cancellations and prohibitions are helping to understand russians that something is not right. These cancellations are helping russians to stop the war.
Why are people responsible for the government? Because they are electing government at the elections. According to the last social poll 70 percent of russians support war against Ukraine. Those 30 who doesn't support war are also responsible for the war, because they didn't stop those 70 percent.
Russia is also working in the information war. Many comments at your video can be also bought by russian government. These comments are forming the opinion, that we have to spare russians. But russians are not dieing from bombs. We are those who are dieing!!! One girl has lost her hand. She doesn't have hand anymore. She will not play violin. Because of russians.
If the composers will not be cancelled, in the Russian TV they will make the report that everyone loves Russian music and enjoys listening to it. And Russian citizens will feel proud of their country. But pride is not what Russians should feel now. They are terrorists. And they have to feel themselves like terrorists.
Composers are not responsible for the war. But they are cancelled because we have to find the way to every head in this world and every men have to understand that the war have to be stopped. If the men cannot understand it atfer the photos, then we will help him to understand it and we will leave him without McDonald's etc.
They are destroying our cities with bombs. They had trown already more than 1000 bombs. They took bomb on the maternity hospital. They took bomb on the the bomb shelter is a Mariupol drama theater where people from destroyed high-rise buildings hid. 1300 people. We still don't know who is alive.
When you are not living in Ukraine all this situation is not awful. But when you see, how is burning your house you cannot sit still.
As for me I am from Ukraine. I am musician. I am suffering a lot now. My situation is not awful, but still I had to leave my work, My city is being bombed by rockets. I ve lost my unkle. He is dead. He was killed by russian troops. Russian army kills ukrainian children. 112 children are already dead. They could live. But they are dead. Mariupol is ruined.
I an very very disappointed about the position of two set violin. I believe, that you just have not enough information about the war, that's why You didn't condemned Russia. Views from Russia doesn't bring money on TH-cam anymore, so I hope that your position is not connected with fear of losing the Russian views.
Last words from me
-Do you know which concentration camp we are being taken to?
-I'm not interested in politics
9:14-Major burn from Editor-san. Well done!
This video was made 1 year ago today. Happy birthday
"Chopin is the greatest of all, for with the piano alone he discovered everything" -- Claude Debussy
Music is the thing that brings us all together, the complete opposite of war...
At our most recent orchestra concert at my university, barely two weeks after the initial invasion, one of the orchestras played Shostakovich. The conductor explained the genius of the piece but also how Shostakovich was secretly against Stalin’s regime and how he’s written works that secretly portray his strong emotions about the hardships the people faced under the government at that time. The performance was dedicated to those fighting in the current war in Ukraine.
does it dedicated to the one who fighting against Donetsk in 2014-2022?
5:10 This is the most ridiculous thing, people that getting canceled because they refused to take/reveal any stance as that has nothing to do with performance,.....
Just now I finish practicing my flute and take a break then ask my fellow twosetter about the new upload...then one twosetter said it the Russian Composer removed from the concert the I was shock and exclaimed ..I bet it's Tchaikovsky 😭😭😭 then I continue writing my piece while thinking how sad it is to know about it. I recently seen it from Twitter and I makes me so sad . Why politics been so harsh to composers who is not even alive then tend to remove them immediately. Where's humanity. My heart breaks a little because of this. 💔🥺😔 😭😭😭
All the musicians and composers I know are lamenting this. Like others have said, they had nothing to do with anything.
I went to a performance of Shostakovich Symphony 5 a few weeks ago, and I’m so glad they didn’t cancel the performance. They dedicated the performance to Ukraine and played the Ukrainian national anthem after the intermission, which was very powerful. Shostakovich lived under the same terror and tyranny that people are still experiencing today, and cancelling programs from these composers achieves nothing.
Im russian, living in america. My grandfather was a russian composer (Boris Tishchenko), I'm in a band all of us are russian. None of us want the war, all of us love our culture. Ive been harrassed in school, and I cant even tell anyone where I'm from without embarrassment, now some of my favorite composers are being cancelled for the actions of corrupt government. I just don't even know what to think of it anymore.
This is ridiculous, I also read some university is removing Dostoevsky. So Dumb.
Creo haber leído que una universidad italiana lo hizo...
This is outright ludicrous. The composers has nothing to do with this war
Oh my goodness YES TWOSET PLAYING RUSH E I'm so glad people actually showed them that!! i wanted Twoset to play Rush E for the longest time and I'm so glad people know about it since my sisters and people around started playing Rush E too. And I can't find the people that dance on the piano, their playing of fur Elise was really amazing
Singer Anna Netrebko, violinist Repin, canceled for "not denouncing Putin."
But what consequences would their families face in Russia, if these artists were outspoken? Their speech is not free. It is wrong to put artists in this position.
Russian soloists are also having their concerts canceled bc of their “nationality”
guess there's not gonna be any nutcracker ballets for a while
But even with the war, it's not the composers, or the people for practiced for years just to compete in a competition fault. The war is just taking everything away from classical musicians
It’s taking even more from Ukrainians and conscripted soldiers…. don’t worry, the Composers and music will outlast conflict.
"there's not gonna be any nutcracker ballets for a while"
Not true though. The orchestra never said they are taking away all Tchai pieces
Also add Evgeny Kissin, legendary Russian concert pianist, to the list of people speaking out against the war!
I can understand that. Until very recently, no Israeli orchestras played Wagner. They refused due to his anti-Jewish writings that so much influenced Hitler.
No classical Russian composers are guilty on what their government is doing now. However, some of the modern Russian classical musicians do share responsibility for this when they gave public support to the Kremlins war and persecuting the dissent.