Really good review, have been wondering how those 2 compare side to side. I have an F180 but see a lot of Laplanders out there, nice to see a proper comparison, thanks.
Bahco is designed for military use as a survival saw,that can cut dead wood,bone, plastic, anything. Silky with this blade,is designed for pruning green wood. Bahco doesn't break . Silky breaks easily. That's all.
@@ReviewOutdoorGear Υes!! Bahco is like a multitool, it can do more but can't do a specific job excellent. Silky is a specialized wood saw. Their big teeth is for green wood and Silkys smaller teeth are for dead dry wood. If I'm not mistaken they also make, extra small teeth blades option, on some of their saws, that are great to cut Bamboo and other hard and dry materials.
@@livingsurvival Me and many some people that I know, have the oposite experience. Also, I have seen,at least 3 TH-camrs that really use these saws and the all have the same experience. I 'm not saying you are lying, I just insist on my original comment,because that is my personal experience. IMO it probably happened to you, because bahcos coating, makes the blade stuck easier than the uncoated and sharper-thinner blades of Silkys. Silky blades are heat treated harder, to keep their edge, while Bahco blades are heat treated lower, to make the blade more forgivable to breaking.That's why if you try to bend a bahco blade, it will probably stay bent, while Silkys, will probably break, instead of stay bent. Don't get me wrong, I never said ,that the Bahco or the Silky is better. I just described how these saws are built and for what reasons.
I've just found your vid while searching for this comparison. I recently lost my Bahco Laplander and was weighing up getting another one vs replacing it with the Silky F180. I'm only 2/3rds the way through the video but already I'm convinced to go for the Silky. I never really got on with the Laplander and, given the almost universal praise for it from almost everyone else, I thought I'd either got a dud or was just not very adept at using it. But I found exactly the same as you show in the video; I was never impressed with how quickly [or slowly] it cut and mine would bind up all the time-I even used to wax the blade to try and prevent this. It didn't help much. On the other hand, I have the Silky KatanaBoy 500 and that thing eats through wood like it's tissue paper and hardly ever binds up. If its wee brother the F180 is anywhere near as efficient, it'll be well worth the extra cost over the Laplander.
@@em0_tion just re watched it and you hardly used the blade on the Bacho plus you purposely changed the blade angle which as expected caused it to foul.
A Silky F-180 saw and a Gransfors Bruks Mini Hatchet make a lightweight, compact and immensely capable pair! I'm preparing fuel for a campfire and a tent stove, its not like I'm building an ark!
Great review, best I've seen. I would love to see the same comparison between the Silky and a Corona 10" razor tooth saw. The Corona is about half the price of a Silky
Professional arborists often use Silkys for up to 10 years (sawing daily) before replacing them. It depends on what type of work you do with your saw and how you look after it. Generally it seems that Silkys far outlast the average Laplander.
Perfect advice. I've snapped mine seven times and now I have to replace the blade. But it all happened in the last month of use, because the blade got duller and I kept pushing it even harder than new. Bad technique will ruin any saw. Think I'll try the finer teeth blade next to see what's the difference in my amateur hobby arborism. 🤔😂
Excellent comparison and well demonstrated. Clearly, with the wet wood, the Silky is far more efficient, as this is what it is primarily designed for - cutting off branches etc. The Bahco would do somewhat better with dry, seasoned wood, but would still not even nearly outperform the Silky! Great job on demonstrating the correct cutting technique with the Silky, which would prevent a user from snapping the blade with bad technique. (By the way Silky blades DON'T snap - they are broken by poor technique!) On the other hand, the Bahco is much easier to use, initially, as it requires no special technique, and can easily be used sawing downwards as one would with a carpenter's saw. A Silky is better suited to horizontal (or even above the shoulder) positions so that the pull stoke technique can be employed most effectively. Using a saw-horse at about hip height with the Silky would be a good starting point. For the Bahco, a knee height would probably be better for utilising the push stroke more.
Have you tried the other bahco products? Laplander is the one I have. But, there’s another model that appears to have a more aggressive tooth pattern. I got to admit, talk of silky blades snapping worries me. Inclined to stick with bahco for peace of mind.
on dry wood the laplander wins. This is a comparison of a green saw vs a dry saw. Silky and others make drywood saws too. The silky isn't necessarily better, either. He got tired because he tried to force the cut. The laplander has the same teeth style as a traditional drywood bow-saw blade, and people are notorious for getting their bow-saws bound up while cutting. The primary offending reasons are 1) dull/overused blade or a cheap blade. 2) trying to drag the saw into the wood too hard. 3) failing to cut gently, but easily on both push and pull stroke. It requires finesse. For small branches pull-saws like the silky tend to be faster, they set easy onto the wood and you just pull. Digs in fast, especially a nice curved blade does that quick. For the bigger wood bowsaws are king so long as the blade's decent, and you apply the right technique. Overall it will fatigue you way, way les than a pull-saw done on a big log. I find bow-saws tend to win here in speed too, having a thinner profile blade helps. Technically it's less fatiguing if you are methodical in your cutting with a laplander, even on small stuff, but extremely minor and the cut is generally slower. I generally love both types of saws, I use the pull saws a lot around home and the bow-saws and laplander for firewood or ouside the home. I also give the edge to bowsaws for prepper/survivalist type stuff because bowsaws and even laplanders can be quickly and easily field resharpened with little knowledge and minimal tools. Also it's extremely easy to have bowsaw replacement blades on you because they weigh minimally nothing and will fit with a bowsaw in its sheath. Oh and I forgot to mention cold weather and blades snapping. Laplander and bow-saws don't have this problem, even far below zero. Your silky is way more prone to snap if it's -20 out. Not recommended. Cheers.
@@escapetherace1943 thanks for the notes. what your saying rings true with my experience which is limited and scattered (over years, miles and types of saws). The breaking blades is my biggest concern. I feel it's not just extreme cold that will make a silky snap. "Misuse" (which is a given in my world) seems to be a possibility. I'd rather have my bahco yell at me for being an idiot than have a silky give up by snapping. I'm thinking Silky for the basecamp, where good behavior is more likely, and bahco for my bag, where reliability trumps all. My bahco probably needs a new blade, but, i've been very happy with the nonsense I've asked of it.
@@just-dl you can try to touch up the blade if you've got a vice and a steady hand. Not sure how far that steel's hardened though you might wear to softer steel, my laplander is still new. Love my agawa though, favorite saw hands down (not with their blades). I enjoy my silky but it definitely is more rigid. Heard of them breaking, seen a lot break (online). Mine's lasted now several years with good use but even with my experience using it, I still believe I can outright break the blade. 1 bad push or lapse in judgement, or simply a bit of bad luck or inherent weakness of the steel becoming prominent over time can lead to breakage. Much less likely with a laplander's spring carbon steel, and for the peace of mind alone that's why it's the bug out/survivalist piece. Never seen a silky bend 180 degrees and survive, heck not even 90 degrees, but a laplander can. Maybe my thoughts are antiquated, but I like gear that can last me decades to life, versus things I see as disposable. Have a good one.
@@escapetherace1943 Thanks for the thoughts! i'm not that steady, but, i'd be willing to try my hand at sharpening. I completely agree about the peace of mind element.
@@escapetherace1943 Silkys snapping is a result of using the saw incorrectly. If you saw with it like you would a Bahco there's a good chance of snapping the blade. With the correct technique a Silky blade will never snap. Ever.
OK, I just watched your video and you are an Ill-informed consumer, the baco Laplander saw that you were using comes in two sizes small teeth, and large teeth. You are using a small tooth Laplander when you should be using it the large tooth model in comparison with the silky. Both saws that you have are draw saws, they cut on the pull, The Bacco does not cut on the push. You handicapped the Saw and its ability by miss use not using the right blade size for the right task.
Incorrect. The Bahco blade is bi-directional, and is supposed to cut on both push and pull strokes. I do agree though, that teeth size does affect cutting ability. A better comparison would have been with the two saws having similar teeth size.
someond asked me today if they sell blades for 180.i wasnt sure but yes they do for $29.00..thsts too much should be half orice of thd saw new so bout 18.00.who would buy a blade for 30 when u can just get a new one and keep ur snapped one
Really good review, have been wondering how those 2 compare side to side. I have an F180 but see a lot of Laplanders out there, nice to see a proper comparison, thanks.
Bahco is designed for military use as a survival saw,that can cut dead wood,bone, plastic, anything. Silky with this blade,is designed for pruning green wood. Bahco doesn't break . Silky breaks easily. That's all.
That’s fair. Bahco is more versatile but in comparison of wood cutting Silky is superior.
@@ReviewOutdoorGear Υes!! Bahco is like a multitool, it can do more but can't do a specific job excellent. Silky is a specialized wood saw. Their big teeth is for green wood and Silkys smaller teeth are for dead dry wood. If I'm not mistaken they also make, extra small teeth blades option, on some of their saws, that are great to cut Bamboo and other hard and dry materials.
Yes they have a wide variety of tooth sizes for all different wood densities.
Greek Veteran I’ve broken two Bahcos and never a silky. The f180 outperforms all day long.
@@livingsurvival Me and many some people that I know, have the oposite experience. Also, I have seen,at least 3 TH-camrs that really use these saws and the all have the same experience. I 'm not saying you are lying, I just insist on my original comment,because that is my personal experience. IMO it probably happened to you, because bahcos coating, makes the blade stuck easier than the uncoated and sharper-thinner blades of Silkys. Silky blades are heat treated harder, to keep their edge, while Bahco blades are heat treated lower, to make the blade more forgivable to breaking.That's why if you try to bend a bahco blade, it will probably stay bent, while Silkys, will probably break, instead of stay bent. Don't get me wrong, I never said ,that the Bahco or the Silky is better. I just described how these saws are built and for what reasons.
Am a Silky fan - but you have to be gentle-and PULL!
I've just found your vid while searching for this comparison. I recently lost my Bahco Laplander and was weighing up getting another one vs replacing it with the Silky F180. I'm only 2/3rds the way through the video but already I'm convinced to go for the Silky.
I never really got on with the Laplander and, given the almost universal praise for it from almost everyone else, I thought I'd either got a dud or was just not very adept at using it. But I found exactly the same as you show in the video; I was never impressed with how quickly [or slowly] it cut and mine would bind up all the time-I even used to wax the blade to try and prevent this. It didn't help much.
On the other hand, I have the Silky KatanaBoy 500 and that thing eats through wood like it's tissue paper and hardly ever binds up. If its wee brother the F180 is anywhere near as efficient, it'll be well worth the extra cost over the Laplander.
Definitely go for the F180.
You used more of the blade with the Silky 🤔
It's natural to focus on technique when the saw slides and cuts smoothly. 🤘
@@em0_tion just re watched it and you hardly used the blade on the Bacho plus you purposely changed the blade angle which as expected caused it to foul.
@@Dogsoldier59 "You"? Delulu...
@@em0_tion sounds like you're getting paid by Silky 🤔
No, all bought with my own money, no sponsorship
Great presentation and explained
How often do you for your forestry needs change the blades on your silky? Or can you file the blade on f180?
A Silky F-180 saw and a Gransfors Bruks Mini Hatchet make a lightweight, compact and immensely capable pair!
I'm preparing fuel for a campfire and a tent stove, its not like I'm building an ark!
Great review, best I've seen. I would love to see the same comparison between the Silky and a Corona 10" razor tooth saw. The Corona is about half the price of a Silky
Hey. Silly question, but can I ask you want pants you are wearing, or what material they are made off? They look pretty comfy
How fast do the blades need to be replaced? Do they wear down and become dull fairly fast, when using them to cut wood?
Professional arborists often use Silkys for up to 10 years (sawing daily) before replacing them. It depends on what type of work you do with your saw and how you look after it. Generally it seems that Silkys far outlast the average Laplander.
I have the silky. Just don't force it on the push stroke. I haven't snapped a blade, but it seams possible.
Perfect advice. I've snapped mine seven times and now I have to replace the blade. But it all happened in the last month of use, because the blade got duller and I kept pushing it even harder than new. Bad technique will ruin any saw. Think I'll try the finer teeth blade next to see what's the difference in my amateur hobby arborism. 🤔😂
Excellent comparison and well demonstrated.
Clearly, with the wet wood, the Silky is far more efficient, as this is what it is primarily designed for - cutting off branches etc.
The Bahco would do somewhat better with dry, seasoned wood, but would still not even nearly outperform the Silky!
Great job on demonstrating the correct cutting technique with the Silky, which would prevent a user from snapping the blade with bad technique. (By the way Silky blades DON'T snap - they are broken by poor technique!)
On the other hand, the Bahco is much easier to use, initially, as it requires no special technique, and can easily be used sawing downwards as one would with a carpenter's saw. A Silky is better suited to horizontal (or even above the shoulder) positions so that the pull stoke technique can be employed most effectively. Using a saw-horse at about hip height with the Silky would be a good starting point. For the Bahco, a knee height would probably be better for utilising the push stroke more.
Have you tried the other bahco products? Laplander is the one I have. But, there’s another model that appears to have a more aggressive tooth pattern. I got to admit, talk of silky blades snapping worries me. Inclined to stick with bahco for peace of mind.
on dry wood the laplander wins. This is a comparison of a green saw vs a dry saw. Silky and others make drywood saws too.
The silky isn't necessarily better, either. He got tired because he tried to force the cut. The laplander has the same teeth style as a traditional drywood bow-saw blade, and people are notorious for getting their bow-saws bound up while cutting. The primary offending reasons are 1) dull/overused blade or a cheap blade. 2) trying to drag the saw into the wood too hard. 3) failing to cut gently, but easily on both push and pull stroke. It requires finesse.
For small branches pull-saws like the silky tend to be faster, they set easy onto the wood and you just pull. Digs in fast, especially a nice curved blade does that quick.
For the bigger wood bowsaws are king so long as the blade's decent, and you apply the right technique. Overall it will fatigue you way, way les than a pull-saw done on a big log. I find bow-saws tend to win here in speed too, having a thinner profile blade helps.
Technically it's less fatiguing if you are methodical in your cutting with a laplander, even on small stuff, but extremely minor and the cut is generally slower.
I generally love both types of saws, I use the pull saws a lot around home and the bow-saws and laplander for firewood or ouside the home. I also give the edge to bowsaws for prepper/survivalist type stuff because bowsaws and even laplanders can be quickly and easily field resharpened with little knowledge and minimal tools. Also it's extremely easy to have bowsaw replacement blades on you because they weigh minimally nothing and will fit with a bowsaw in its sheath.
Oh and I forgot to mention cold weather and blades snapping. Laplander and bow-saws don't have this problem, even far below zero. Your silky is way more prone to snap if it's -20 out. Not recommended.
Cheers.
@@escapetherace1943 thanks for the notes. what your saying rings true with my experience which is limited and scattered (over years, miles and types of saws). The breaking blades is my biggest concern. I feel it's not just extreme cold that will make a silky snap. "Misuse" (which is a given in my world) seems to be a possibility. I'd rather have my bahco yell at me for being an idiot than have a silky give up by snapping. I'm thinking Silky for the basecamp, where good behavior is more likely, and bahco for my bag, where reliability trumps all. My bahco probably needs a new blade, but, i've been very happy with the nonsense I've asked of it.
@@just-dl you can try to touch up the blade if you've got a vice and a steady hand. Not sure how far that steel's hardened though you might wear to softer steel, my laplander is still new. Love my agawa though, favorite saw hands down (not with their blades).
I enjoy my silky but it definitely is more rigid. Heard of them breaking, seen a lot break (online). Mine's lasted now several years with good use but even with my experience using it, I still believe I can outright break the blade. 1 bad push or lapse in judgement, or simply a bit of bad luck or inherent weakness of the steel becoming prominent over time can lead to breakage.
Much less likely with a laplander's spring carbon steel, and for the peace of mind alone that's why it's the bug out/survivalist piece. Never seen a silky bend 180 degrees and survive, heck not even 90 degrees, but a laplander can.
Maybe my thoughts are antiquated, but I like gear that can last me decades to life, versus things I see as disposable.
Have a good one.
@@escapetherace1943 Thanks for the thoughts! i'm not that steady, but, i'd be willing to try my hand at sharpening. I completely agree about the peace of mind element.
@@escapetherace1943 Silkys snapping is a result of using the saw incorrectly. If you saw with it like you would a Bahco there's a good chance of snapping the blade. With the correct technique a Silky blade will never snap. Ever.
OK, I just watched your video and you are an Ill-informed consumer, the baco Laplander saw that you were using comes in two sizes small teeth, and large teeth. You are using a small tooth Laplander when you should be using it the large tooth model in comparison with the silky. Both saws that you have are draw saws, they cut on the pull, The Bacco does not cut on the push. You handicapped the Saw and its ability by miss use not using the right blade size for the right task.
bahco does cut on the push, I own one and sharpen bowsaws by hand
Incorrect. The Bahco blade is bi-directional, and is supposed to cut on both push and pull strokes.
I do agree though, that teeth size does affect cutting ability. A better comparison would have been with the two saws having similar teeth size.
Nice review. Thanks..
Good comparison. Silky F-180 all the way.
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NOTHING cuts like a silky I bloody HATE the thin wimpy blades and that they SNAP but it's just the best dam performer out there NO COMPARISON!!
Silky is the best
Felco 600?
Bahco for me - orange/black handle with the original laplander blade :)
Bacho doesn't have a tapered blade like the silky
someond asked me today if they sell blades for 180.i wasnt sure but yes they do for $29.00..thsts too much should be half orice of thd saw new so bout 18.00.who would buy a blade for 30 when u can just get a new one and keep ur snapped one
Cheers Mate!
The bahco weighs 1.4x that of the silky
Accidentally watch your video to the end and you said don't forget to price God that ending was the best
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great review thank you...praise god
wow u got stuck thats a party foul.silky spanked bahco. lol