Shooting Anamorphic: Lenses VS Filters!
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- Thanks to Vid-Atlantic, Ryan got his hands on a few anamorphic lenses and filters to show how different and cinematic they can make your footage.
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in the middle of this video I was wandering if there is compare video in TH-cam to see what the different with/without Anamorphic but then surprised there compare here. you deserve a the biggest like ever in mankind history.
More filmic, awesome bokeh, cinematic flares, delivers the emotion of film. Those are the main reasons I love shooting anamorphic.
Hadn't thought about that. Very interesting. Looks like I'll have to do a few more tests now.
Now these shots seemed a lot more wide than a typical 2.35:1 shot, instead could you have been using a 2.0x anamorphic lens on a 16:9 image sensor? because a 16:9 sensor should only be subject to 1.33x anamorphic lens and the 4:3 sensors should be the ones with a 2.0x lens. just thought the shots were a little too wide and this might have been the case
Quasarvision Yes, he used an 2x Lens
Yes, like a lot of Vloggers who learn only from other vloggers, they are clueless,
blind leading the blind. It's pathetic!
The point is for all the reasons presented in this episode. ;) This method isn't for everyone, not all hollywood films are shot this way either... It is a style, one that you may or may not want/like, but others (like myself) will. Also, I don't think it is like saying to shoot on film at all. This is a very simple technique to get a more filmic image. Shooting on film is extremely complex and costly.
Thanks for the Frighteners reference at the end there. 🙂
Ryan, You forgot to tell them about the line you may get from the filter. It you bring the flare into focus you will see the string line split your flare. So keep your flares out of focus.
That is all!
Think that is only with the "flare" version of the filter.
There is also one without that.
Glad you liked it! Beanie flare!
The intro looks like the beginning of a show I'd totally watch.
location and editing and scoring its so epic ...you are super talented and yet you make it look so relaxed ....
Thanks man, glad you ended up digging it in the end. But actually, all the flares in Star Trek are real. Check out the special features, they talk about how they got them. The post-pro flares are great, but nothing beats getting it in camera, in my opinion. There's something to the aesthetic of getting it organically that just doesn't translate through post work. Super 8 had a lot of post flares, and for me it was obvious.
Good Job on this video, I didn't know what ana-morfic? was until just now. I'll probably stick to what I got until I get a lot better at it. Thanks for the information and you guys always rock.
When using the lenses it does. Since it is stretched, then scaled vertically for the correct aspect ratio, you are using every bit of info in that image. Whereas when you crop it, you lose those pixels.
Thanks for doing this Ryan.
It's good to try and match the front size as close as possible. If you go with too large of filter with a smaller front SLR lens, what happens is that the top and bottom of any oval bokeh shapes are slightly cut off. It'll still stretch the bokeh vertically and you'll still get the streaks and flares but the bokeh light points wont always be perfectly oval.
This also happens with real anamorphic lens combos as well. So its a real characteristic of anamorphics.
No problem. I've never worked with anamorphic lenses, but I believe it is the same principle as with non-16:9 cameras that record in squeeze mode (like the old DVX100, for example). Basically, the resolution remains the same, but you record a squeezed image meant to be unsqueezed in post, so that the aspect ratio ends up being something like 2:35:1. The pixel aspect ratio is different but I'm not sure roughly what it woud be. However, there definitely is no interpolation.
Paul Thomas Anderson shoots anamorphic as well. In There Will Be Blood, during the night scene where the oil derrick is on fire you see bright orange vignetting due to the lens he's using. I think it's pretty cool though.
Great explanation of anamorphic RyRy! We've got some old projector lenses at work I am going to be doing a little episode about
It increases "effective" pixels. It also increases horizontal FOV. The focal length of a lens not only affects how much you can see (field of view) but also how depth is compressed or exaggerated. Without changing depth compression you get more field of view with anamorphic photography and that, more than flare, more than bokeh, is the significant difference. *THAT* is what gives anamorphic photography its "emotional" impact compared to spherical photography. It's an optical magic trick.
Happy to. Glad you dug it.
Agreed! I loves it.
Very interesting, don't think i will dive into that in the near future, but still a very creative option. The double focusing seems like it would be tough on the fly.
The question is which anamorphic lens is compatible with your telephoto lens. You need a lens at least 60mm on your T3i to avoid corner vignette. Shop ebay for an anamorphic (e.g. Sankor, Proskar, etc). After you know the front diameter of your camera lens and the back diameter of your newly acquired anamorphic lens (latter connects to former), you ask VidAtlantic or Redstan (look them up) for the right adapter. You may have to buy some step-up or stepdown rings also.
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Yes, you'd think Ryan would mention that little detail (paid guide). Andrew from EOSHD is a cool dude, I bought his guide a while back; he put a bit of work into it, and generally offers some sound advice.
No worries man! And thanks for this explanation. I love this community we have created! You are all such awesome people! :)
I just got my ultra star anamorphic (the gold and blue lens) I won it on eBay for only 99 bucks
Magic Lantern (Unified)
It's a firmware Update for all Canon EOS cameras starting at the T1i.
The T2i has the best feature set of the update as every other camera already has in-house solutions so some problems the T2i faced.
But T2i firmware updates ended with 1.09.
Check out Magic Lantern. You're T2i will be a crop 5D with all the neat gadgets like USB monitor, Kelvin Control, AGC/Audio controls & Visual Bars.
Focus peaking tools, etc.
Good luck!
the lasts episodes were very good Ryan, thanks!
What you ask is irrelevant to anamorphic because the same aspect ratio is obtained by stretching the image in post, or, if your editor limits you to 16:9 you position the top if the footage at 270 pixels from the top and make the height of the footage 540 (instead of 1080). If you have an anamorphic projector, you leave it "squeezed" and it stretches during display. To answer your question, install Magic Lantern firmware and use a cropmark to film, then a similar cropmark template when editing.
I love the Animorphic look when it comes to pulling off cinematic looks! Thanks for the info on these lenses!
Depends on what you shoot. I bet Ryan's answer would be DSLR's because the can have a very shallow depth of field which in easy terms means that you blur the background out like a mother. It looks waaaay more filmic. Besides, DSLR's have interchangable lens mount so there's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more possibilities when it comes to lenses. Too many advantages to sum up :)
Yep. :)
You don't have to. It is a matter of taste. Some will dig it, some wont.
It creates anamorphic bokeh morphing and flares/streaks. The cropping isnt even necessary, it's just part of the end look. But the real traits are in the bokeh and flares with this filer.
According to experts, stretching horizontal doesn't cause a noticeable decrease in footage quality, as long as the vertical pixels remain unaltered, and it makes it look more "cinematic", since that's what cinema's been doing all these years, and that's what we're all used to.
It's also worth noting that because video compression codecs are subsampled in the horizontal domain for color you get, essentially, free chroma filtering when you vertically un-anamorphose footage so that it looks correct on a standard 16:9 frame. On the 5D this would translate into some "free" anti-moire processing, potentially.
Wow, cool! Thanks for sharing.
Ryan...it looks like as if your about to roll your eyes up into your head and just collapse. Well done at still doing the show despite being sick :D
Anamorphic lenes have interested me for quite some time but this video answer a lot of questions thanks for the tips, tricks and heads up ;)
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I have waited ages for this episode!!!!
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The Depth of field of Anamorphic lenses is so fucking beautiful.. I wish those lenses weren't so damn expensive.
Once again, very well-presented information and just an all-around great episode!
Been anticipating this since you mentioned it, great episode Ry-guy :D
Find out the filter size in front of your lens, then buy your anamorphic lens on ebay (stay away from the huge ones made for projectors) and then determine which of the 3 or 4 providers of anamorphic lens adapters have the best adapter for you. I have a Proskar 16 in a Redstan adapter (perfect match) which has a 52mm thread (perfect match again) into the front of my Panasonic video camera. I have autofocus and stabilization now, and only use the DSLRs for the "epic" shots on crane/dolly.
just picked up a singer 16d and an isco ultra star. I'll be posting some test footage soon!
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What people don't realize is that the filter is pretty much just a solid oval cut out. It deforms the bokeh, so the only thing that is affected by the filter is out of focus and bright light.
A good, cheap option is to get a piece of black cardboard and cut an oval out of it. Slap it in front of your lens and there you go - instant oval bokeh. You can also do this with other shapes.
Like this so people can keep money in their pockets.
Which?
First of all, wow. That's a good length film. I think anything you could do to help it run faster is to uninstall some stuff. There are some really good computer cleaners on the internet (if you feel like trusting them) and they can increase speed by 75%. Bear in mind, however, that many pro filmmakers just wait it out. I've heard some pros talk about 72 hour render times
Your shots were awesome and loved the look and effects using this lens. Definitely "Hollywood" looks. It's amazing how light and it's reflection adds so much to a shot. Thanks for all your info.
Forget that. You want to see beautiful anamorphic you go back and look at films of the 70s and 80s which is the look JJ is influenced by. Close Encounters, Blade Runner and the early films of John Carpenter like Halloween, The Fog and Christine. That's good anamorphic reference right there.
if all you want is the anamorphic lens flares there are a bunch of ways to do that DIY for under $5. I did it by just getting a regular lens filter for my 35-70mm fd lens at the pawn shop and then I just scratched verticle lines into the filter. TH-cam it.
Just close your iris down to get deeper depth of field.
Finally! Thx Ryan. I liked the Sankor the best.
But how would the beanie look all anamorphicy?
There are lenses available that don't make you double-focus and work fine handheld even. Their "gotcha" is you typically need a close-up diopter to sharpen up wide aperture shots. My Century Optics adapter is sharp without a diopter opened up to F2.8 and doesn't vignette unless I'm using a taking lens wider than 18mm on the GH2.
FYI, if you had two DVX100s you're definitely playing in the prosumer end of the pool. Those are $3500 cameras, two of the best the DV format saw at any price. The Canon 550d is also around the street price of the GH2 I've got. I use mostly inexpensive, vintage Nikkor lenses now for their character coupled with the digital back and my anamorphic was an ebay $650 find, fyi. It can be expensive but doesn't have to be terribly so.
You can also get a split focus diopter. Old school, and it can be pretty cheesy looking sometimes, but look it up on the google. Interesting look.
Absolutely man. You do a great job presenting information and I realized that I was a bit too harsh. Really Harsh. I guess, I just miss the old days. Haha. Half the things I see now are just neat awesome things that make my mind think and ponder. Things that I myself can't try anymore.
But still. I think you guys are doing a great job. And I hope I didn't sound so off putting with how I started. :)
Keep up the good work!!
No need to do complex equations to be able to correct your anamorphic shots. I found a diagram online of the different aspect ratios for film. Download the image, place it over your footage, reduce the opacity, and adjust the footage as necessary
Install magic lantern on your 60D, there's a 2.35:1 frame guide setting. What it does is superimpose the anamorphic bars on the top and bottom of your footage through the Live View screen.
@Jed Darlington-Roberts I think he shoots with that lens, because it give it more of a "vintage" look. Even though colour gradeing can give that effect too. It might also be the cheapness of that lens, Full Frame Canon lenses are mostly like $700+
I like the look without any anamorphic lens or filter. It's just clean.
As for converting, if you're just cropping, use the letter box effect on after effects, if you're squishing it, do some math and adjust the vertical scale. On your 60D, you just have to wing it, there's no setting for it.
I've learned so much from this show! I'm working with a canon t2i for now until I get good enough to justify the purchase of the 5dmkii or mkiii, but everything I've learned from you guys translates well enough for me to understand the t2i's limits. Also, the Frighteners, Ryan. ;)
Magic Lantern has a feature that gives you cropmarks. You can use the default ones they have, or make your own entirely.
Anamorphic lenses look great!!
Thanks so awesome! Very glad this helped man! :)
You guys should make a video or even put together a film making kit with things like software and gear to help people get started. There are so many options with so many different opinions its hard to trust. Just a quick thought.
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You can use a 62mm-58mm step-down ring. They cost a few dollars on ebay or in most camera shops.
Both worked for me (unless you're referring to one in the video). I tried both links in the show notes.
Look up Magic Lantern. It's a firmware replacement that provides you with crop marks in camera. I don't know if they have a 60D version yet, but it's available for t2i, t3i, and 5d mkii for sure. I installed it for exactly this functionality, but since then, I have realized that I just couldn't live without all the other features it provides.
You can download some external firmware called "Magic Lantern", it comes with some 2:35:1 crop marks, and you can make some of your own, then you can crop the footage in post. :)
finally the Anamorphic episode! :D thanks
100% correct!
the intro was epic!
Wow thanks so much for the prompt and informational reply. Hopefully I can come up with something good enough to win the competition because I'd love to have an anamorphic filter. It's a really interesting look and one that I really want to start experimenting with. Thanks again! Keegan.
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I believe all of them would be compatible. Seeing as you're using a clamp to attach the anamorphic lens to your main lens I see really no reason why you'd be unable to use them on a t3i.
of course you'll have to shoot pretty telephoto (around 50mm and higher on the t3i from what I've heard/read) but still... it's compatible and that's what you asked for.
HEY YOU!! you can put fishing string over the center of your lens and it will give you a DIY anamorphic effect! I used it all the time when I still used a camcorder! Keep shootin!
Learning post has far more flexibility than a single lens ever would.
That was mainly my point. Invest in post? or Invest in a specific use lens.
I know the pros and cons of its usage. The point is to achieve an effect to evoke a certain emotion or atmosphere.
You have much more flexibility and variety in post. Regardless of the authenticity of the effect itself.
But thank you Sean. All your information today has been really enlightening.
I'm actually really glad I was able to learn a lot from you today.
:)
I would suggest you to edit every scene in a different sequence, that way everything will be more organized. Also, you can use proxies if you think your pc won't be able to handle the large project.
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Canon 5D mkII.
Just curious as to which lens was used at 8:23 to 8:29? It seems to be the one that gives the scene a bit more of a "J.J. Abrams" look. Thanks!
That's a sankor scope for sure. 16 series.
With the CineMorph filter you lose about 1 stop since it kind of acts like a closed down iris/aperture on the front of the lens. This can be good to for outdoor daylight filming. With the Flare/Streak filter you lose no light as it doesnt have the bokeh shaping element.
Yeah, if you are shooting fast, the filter would be the way to go.
Wow I need those filters in my collection.
The fake ones are distracting, definitely. They're contrived by nature. Naturally occurring they can be amazingly beautiful, like in Close Encounters and Blade Runner.
Thanks so much! :)
HA! I was actually. I sound a bit stuffed up too I think.
Depends totally on your post workflow. Both are possible!
Hey the 7D is not a full frame sensor. It is a crop sensor. The exact name of the sensor is APS-C. I bet the filter would look really good with the 7D. Being that since some of the image is cropped out with the 7D, you won't run into as many vignetting problems. Get one and let me know how it is! ;)
The serious atmosphere around this episode was both delightful and disappointing:) however very nice episode gave me a lot to think about. Thanks ry ;) PS. Nice music choices
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That and the distorted stretched bokeh (the blurred part of the image).
The blur does a lot more for your image then you might think.
Thank you. :)