Trash Find Generator - Is It Worth Fixing?? You Decide
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ต.ค. 2022
- In "Ronnie's Shed Of Horrors", the first installment of Taryl's October Halloween fright fest 2022, local scammer Ronnie decides to open his own haunted house - only to have it go horribly wrong!
After the intro (and before the ending) Taryl goes over this garbage picked generator he came across whilst out pickin'. Is this thing worth fixing or should it had just stayed in the garbage and not even worth the hassle? Be sure to check out this entire scare-larious halloween how-to for all the laughs and scares it has to offer! Oh, and you just might learn something along the way too!
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James Condon is an excellent channel to check out for repairing generators. From what I've learned is the RPM adjusts the 60 HZ frequency, and there's a regulator on the power head that allows you to adjust the voltage level. You need to put the rpms back to 3600, and find the regulator to adjust the output voltage.
Yep, set these to ~62hz, mine did not have an air filter. Replace "Torch" plug and apply locktight to carb bolts/replace junk fuel line.. and they are decent units for lights or tools.. they 4 stroke under light load and are a copy of an old Yamaha set. No brushes or voltage regulator.. just a cap and diodes.
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Agreed 62-63 hz
That was the best comedy skit to date!
Blocking diodes! - On the rotor! There are usually two blocking diodes which are there to decisively switch the polarity of the rotor. If the generator is overloaded, the diodes (one or both) will fail. All you have left then is the residual magnetism to build up the voltage, but it is weak, and cannot built up the full voltage, as you observed. The diodes can be replaced, with a bit of jiggery-pokery.
There are several variants of this machine, so be aware to disassemble first to be sure that; A, it uses blocking diodes, and B, that they are accessible to replace them. There may also be a large capacitor, depending on the variant of generator, which can also fail and may need replacement.
We have a "Generator 900" version, with a more conventional looking gen-end that has the louvred end cover plate.
When the generator is working correctly, the engine should immediately pick up the load and its exhaust note should smooth out.
These machines are cheap, but if used within manufacturers spec, they are quite capable of doing a day's work without issue.
Looked up that generator and it's a brushless model that uses a capacitor. The capacitor has probably started to fail hence the low voltage. If you didn't pitch it yet, put a new capacitor in it and adjust the RPM back down and it will probably work like new.
Yes, i think you are right!
In Europe they sell it with a 800W 230V generator head.
I bought it, because it doesn't need an oil change like bigger generators.
It is strong enough to power small tools.
I use it about once to twice a year and bad fuel is always an issue.
Mine never starts at the first pull!
Klaus, mine starts at the 20th pull or so, but I run it dry whenever I'm done I just shut off the fuel and let it run out. 3 years no problems. Hedge trimmers,electric chainsaw, Sawzall, drill, ect... love this little unit!!
If it has brushes is probably one of the branches is sticking that's why you're not getting the voltage you supposed
These are good for floodlights out in the boonies.
@@curtwuollet2912 when I worked in a shop, many years ago, we had customers that would use small generators to drop lights in the water while out fishing. I think they used an ex350 honda, a little 2 stroke generator from memory.
That silly little strip of foam in the middle is the filter... I found with the ones I've fixed they really need the airbox assembled so they are tuned rich enough for full load. I also found that you get maybe half of them put out a good solid 800W and others are barely able to do half that no matter what you do. For a production cost of about US $20 per unit landed the manufacturers used to include 1000 free units for every 2000 units - literally that was for expected warranty claims ex factory. Every time one came back into the shop they would just grab a new one in the box to give to the customer and put the old one out the back for spares, or in the bin - how I got my freebies... We had customers swearing they were running 1800w circular saws on these things, and then a few months later they were complaining the genset was no good and their saw had blown up too, couldn't understand that the alternator output was virtually solid square wave and both that and the saw windings were getting cooked every moment they were overloading things... Happy to have sold off mine, good for task lighting but not for anything with a motor that you care about. Trying to get the voltage up just made the hertz get way too high and out of range. That's possibly why the drill is not running well, too far out of the frequency range... Cheers from Oz.
I kept one of those running constantly for a week to keep my freezer running after a tornado knocked out electricity. Honestly worth the $99 I paid for it. It's still runs to this day and that was several years ago.
Does it sound like this one??? This motor doesn't sound right and I think the windings in the generator have a problem. Possibly the brushes.
@@alext8828 Brushless
@@alext8828 Yeah mine sounds like that with no load.
Did the same for a refrigerator, 8 hrs, and the electric company had returned us to power.
ive used one for years at work, powering 4 inch grinders corded drills, etc and sometimes a refrigerator but be warned it will surge when it dies (runs out of fuel) cost me my fridge. still sits on my porch i fire it up occasionally and remember shutting down all hf mockers where i used to work.
Hey Carol I hope you see my comment here but the problem with your little generator if you haven't thrown it out is not the capacitor there are two windings in this generator and attached to each end of the winding are diodes one of your diodes is open I had the same exact problem on a Chinese built generator and what I did was I ended up tearing the generator apart pulling the Armature out and carefully breaking loose the encapsulated diodes in clear resin isolating each diode by unsoldering them then check the diode one was good one was bad that's why you only had half the voltage that you needed at the specified RPM I took the diodes out put US manufactured diodes in there at a cost of $0.10 each put the generator back together and it's worked fine ever since the Chinese use crappy Electronics on these generators just enough to make them work and I really love watching your videos I have been a professional automotive mechanic and transmission specialist for 34 years and I've tinkered with lots of lawn equipment too outboard motors anything like that but I do love watching your videos very educational we love it
Love the Mustie1 references. 😁 Both your channels are great! 👍👍 Taryl should send Darren another coffee mug! I think he broke the one he used for fuel examinations. 😎
Mmmmmm mhmhmhmmmmm
The Mustie1 reference was hilarious.Send it to James Condon to fix the generator half. lol
Yep, talk it over with James Condon and see if there's something simple that might make the generator work. Would be nice to know.
I put the link on Mustie1's post today.
That cheapie isn't worth sending in the mail.
@halcampbell1384 it's probably a bad capacitor. 1 of 2 still works...
I love my little tail gator I put over 100 hours on it in a few months I haven’t even had it for a full year. I got it used after it sat at my uncles house for years and I got it running with pliers and a broom bristle. I turned the screw in till a little over 4,000 rpm because you need a smooth rpm to prevent blowing light bulbs. If you only use it for power tools you don’t need to but I run lights at the cabin and need them to not flicker cause it’s annoying so I bumped the rpm up to smooth out the engine. I also quit using the fuel tank it comes with and rigged an old tecumseh tank to it cause the metal one leaked. I love that it’s a 2 stroke be it smells good. Just don’t run TVs I blew 2 of them up but it’s fine to charge phones and run radios and lights. It’s easy to clean the carb and exhaust port. I put an NGK BP8ES it’s way better than the torch plug it comes with. The governor kinda sucks if you have a light load on it the rpms waver but under a good load they stay the same. I get like 4 1/2 hours to the gallon at 50:1 with a quality oil usually Maxima Formula K2 or Reverend Freedom Roast. I just run 87 octane with Ethanol doesnt hurt the engine non. I’ll definitely buy more of these when my engine wears out someday cause I love this unit. It’s only broken down on me a few times all I did was pop the bowl off and spray carb cleaner up the main jet and ran just fine after that. Always starts after a couple pulls and only smokes while warming up it runs perfectly. It’s very quiet I’d rate this machine at a 6/10 it would be better if it wasn’t Chinese with those crappy Chinese electrical components. I always start it and let it warm up for a few minutes before I plug anything in. If you don’t have one of these I strongly recommend that you get one cause they’re great. They make so many of these generators under different names and colors.
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maybe it's a dead transistor or a dead capacitor ?
it's sold in Europe by the Hyundai brand as "HG800-A" model series. Mixture ratio 50:1
Two cycle Mick's mowers.. ta for the shout out mate .. I fixed one of these and on the day I sold it the fuel tap snapped..
Mick: good to see you commenting on Mick’s Mix! Tell Reilly Boy we say hi from Flint Michigan
@@haneyoakie14 will do mate hes watching now
Fricken HILARIOUS from start to finish!!! Thanks, Taryl, got my Monday morning off to a great start. And your rendition of 'Mustie's Comin' ' is spot-on!!
I think it was in the rubbish bin as they were banned from all tailgating events for the noise and exhaust fumes. They could have kept it if they used bacon scented 2T oil mix.
Mmmmm Bacon……
you know you have made it when a theme song is written on you,
Mustie1 you are correct, all of y'all are great to watch and bring a great information for a dying art!!
Great job Taryl and crew.
one of my favorite channels on the youtubes. always interesting and decent low budget acting too
I like my garbage/curb shopping freebies, 2 years ago a 2 cycle hedge trimmer, no spark, someone adjusted the coil, the gap was big enough to fit an a nickle (coin) in. Cleaned it all up still starts 3rd pull when I need to use it once a year,
Last year I picked a 4 cycle weed trimmer with the changeable shaft, carb kit, fuel line and filter and a new spool and bump head. Runs amazing
This year a mcculloch blower/vac, with the tubes and bag, the kill switch was broken and the ground wasn't making contact. And I was covered in 2 cycle dirt and packed full of leaf dust and pine needles.
Starts 3rd pull on a cold start.
I got a snow blower 3 yrs ago, wasn't a freebie but was used 1 season and parked in a shed for 16 years, it looks like new. Tossed the carburator for an ebay aftermarket, new plug, new belts, fuel line, filter, and shut off, tubed the tires, new knobs for the choke and throttle and a new chute cable, cleaned and greased everything up and its running like new.
It's simple common sense.
Haha, Love the "Mustie's Coming" tune. I also loved the Halloween theme this week.
Taryl fixes ALLMOST everything, great video as always
I have the older version called the Storm Cat. I love it, it powers anything 700 watts or less. I loaned it to my Mother during a power outage caused by a hurricane. Mom used it to power her mini fridge. It's still kicking.
Love opening skit can't wait til the end
A common problem with those generators is the outer armature bearing spinning in the housing. It allows the armature to run off balance and the slipring brushes
are then allowed to bounce off the slipring. it causes low voltage output and erratic poor regulation. It's and easy fix with some Loctite shaft fit on the bearing, or replace
it if it's worn excessively.
The bad flux capacitor in the generator is causing low output voltage.
Was on my recycle route one morning around 9:30am...as luck would have it..we were ahead of the trash guys because their truck broke down. Just happened to see the power head of a Troybuilt string trimmer sticking out of a new looking Troybuilt string trimmer box... Being a curious little guy...I stopped...went to the box...and to my amazement...there was a brand new trimmer in the box. Took it home and for a few weeks it sat before I got a chance to look at it...when I did... I noticed there was something dark in the fuel tank...it was straight two cycle oil. I drained it and put the dino-cocktail in and gave a few tugs...fired right up. I've had it for about seven years now...best trimmer I never bought. I've never bought a leaf blower,chain saw,or weed eater...or any other type of outdoor type of tool sence I've been in the trash business... Love you guys and what you do..keep up the awesome job.
You always make it fun! Spooky, but fun!
Excellent video as usual, but engine RPM on a generator is tuned for output frequency, not voltage. Voltage was fluctuating enough to warrant looking at brushes and field coil.
its a brushless unit
Brushless, Voltage variable until under load, set frequency to 62-63 hz.
I still have that same generator since I hate throwing things away. It was garbage from day 1. I've actually had 3 of them. The first one wouldn't start no matter what. The second kind of started, but only if you squirted gas down the spark plug hole. The one I have now kind of starts, but only when it is warm out, and only after 20-30 pulls. You can put gas or starting fluid right in it, it will not start for 20-30 pulls. It has been in the corner ever since. At least they were only $60 then, with free tape measure too.
The sad thing is Harbor Freight used to sell a nearly identical generator that was blue. I had one that ran and ran for years. The generator part finally gave out eventually. It was the greatest for ice fishing or hunting camp, that thing would start in -10F in 2 pulls no problem. Now the only option is 4 stroke generators, and even with 0w-20 oil they will not start when it is below 0. The oil is just too thick to pull it over. 2 strokes are way better in the extreme cold.
More Sunday Gold. Thanks guys!!
I look forward to Sunday's with Taryl. BTW- loved your crooning version of "Eli's Coming." 😃
It's just a guess but I think that increasing the RPM also changes the Hertz. If I had to guess that generator probably has brushes that are bad or stuck in the brush holders.
More likely a weak capacitor…..
Yeah it's brushless, bad cap.
I found one of those on the shore of Lk. Roosevelt two years ago. Gave it to my neighbor who got it running and now uses it for his fridge during power outages.
I sure miss these "Tiny" Generators.
Great for camping and late-night outdoor entertaining!
Plus you can easily redirect the running/exhaust noise behind a thick Shrub or peice of plywood (as long as the exhaust faces out)!
Great job! always get a kick out of you guys. Big fan from Canada
I have had one of these for years, same gen but an earlier model. Maybe the first one, as it is old now. Mostly just sits around, but a shot of ether gets it going every time. I keep sta-bil in the tank so the gas doesn't go bad. The gas was at least 2 years old last time I used it and no problem. Good little gen.
It's probably the little voltage regulator/capacitor box if somebody hasn't overloaded the windings in the gen head. I should have a dozen or so of those around in parts generators. Give me a yell if you want one, I'll be glad to donate a good one to the channel. I like what you do.
Great job as always. Mustie1 is great to. Learned alot from James Condon on generators.
👍 on James Condon,he gets some real basket case generators for fixing
Yup, James is my go to guy for generator info. 👍🔧
We need a Halloween special. Like a 30 minute long skit. Would be excellent family fun. 👍
I’m not sure about this gen, but you need to bring the RPM’s back to 3600 and see if it has an AVR that can be adjusted to the proper voltage or it could have a Capacitor that needs to be replaced so it puts out the proper voltage. The Hz should be 60 to 61.5 at no load
I love these skits..... seriously
Another excellent Halloween video from Taryl Fixes All and The Grass Rats Garage 👍👍
Cameraman does a great job! Love the sound effects too! ☺️
Well said
i like the sound effect when Taryl says "seal"
Who is the cameraman?
" Now that was worth $10 "....that was hilarious.
Warranty is fine taryl, that high end sponge in the middle was the air filter 😂.
I have one just like that. Got mine running… the usual .. bad carburetor. Good little gen to have.
I just fixed one of these for one of the guys I work with-the carbetrator was gummed up-it worked pretty good once I got it back together!
I have one the exact same model it was given to me by a friend and I say it's well worth it it has been an absolute blessing
I was out mowing a few minutes ago and went to go park it for the year and it had no brakes or a brake safety switch, it's a 1996 john deere 325 54 inch deck it had awesome brakes before, all the linkages I seen were moving and had little to no play in them, trans fluid is clean, no metal, runs drives and cuts still with no issues, had to jump the solenoid, asking for help, with a diagram or someone that knows the transmission in and out... trans pulls great still...
Love both channels. And thanks for the good laugh
I found one of those Tailgator generators on the side of the road. Fixed it in a video a few years ago and it is still working. Wasn't hard to fix. Well worth the time to fix it.
How’s your sweet doggie?
Great video! I have a few of these tucked away and always wondered why they were freebies.
I have three of these, they work great for power failures.
One of them pushed the crank seal out on the gen side, I replaced the seal while it was apart and it's running great.
I agree if voltage is low but frequency is correct, the capacitor is probably bad.
I'm a garbage picker, all my life! Latest pick; MYD commercial wheeled edger with very little signs of wear. Cleaned carb, new pump diaphragm and spark plug. Good as new. Will probably sell it to one of the local landscapers.
Mustie needs to make a mug design or two so you both can drain fluids into each other's mugs lol🤣
Too funny. Great video again. Thanks guys.
jacking up the engine speed till you get the proper voltage is completely wrong. The speed should be 3750 RPMs which translates to 62.5 HZ no load. That is the fastest the engine should be running. Ideally you should be getting anywhere from 110 to 125 volts no load. If you are experiencing low voltage and this is a brushless type generator most likely, then I would suspect either a blown diode in the rotating rectifier assembly and/or a failed capacitor. The good news is the windings are still good in the power head. It can be fixed!
Best comment so far! Im betting this genny has a terrible sin wave as well. Not good for sensitive electronics. A fridge compressor or something protected by a wall wart (like a phone charger) should be fine.
Bassguitarist1985 knows his stuff! I have seen him on Kens Small Engine - Mr Mow It All channel in the live stream covering generators and He and James Condron have forgotten more about generators than most of us will ever know.
@@haneyoakie14 thank you sir!!
I would guess a bad capacitor, on this particular piece of equipment
I agree. That silicone was on there for a reason so you wouldn't jump to the idler first but instead check diodes and capacitor
Another awesome video!
I can just hear that Mustie1 laugh as he's seeing this. Lol.
lovely work Taryl Dactal mate and for me if the engine works well and for me i,d have a look at the eletrical compartment as something sounds faulty or something might be not connected etc.
Great video! Awesome on you finding the small genny. the color of the old gas looks like old type varnish that you finish wood furniture with.
Take another look, it has an air filter. Slides in left of the carb.
Don't know if anyone else has said anything but I believe you have to adjust the screw under 95% full load. You cant just adjust it with no load. Also its hard to tell but the filter should be slotted in already. Airflow is drawn from the left side, goes through the filter then enters the carb on the right. Filter designs vary by models/makes
Hey Taryl the man with the "CoalGate" smile ,those generators are great at the campground,they keep the skeeters away and everybody else with doing the 2 stroke smoke. Just don't pay in advance because they'll be kicking you out too.😅
this is better comedy than most of what is comin out of, "Hollywood" these days, the scripts and camera work, make-up/props are evolving...tanks for sharing your content but not the production cost!
Automatic Voltage Regulator (AVR) could need adjusting or replaced
I have one of these. ran great and it was able to power my refrigerator during a power outage. it used to leak gas out the carbitrator bad though. I ordered a replacement on ebay and installed it but haven't tried to start it up yet.
love the “Mustie1” commentary, your both fantastic
Your skits are so ridiculous they're hilarious. I'm guilty of skipping ahead to catch the ending. 😁
I have the version before that one with the red fuel tank. While I would never use it to power electronics, it's a great little generator for lights and power tools. A circular saw is too much for it though.
The air filter foam strip was already installed
Also this one still has a good recoil starter, the plastic pawl is prone to breaking if aggressively pulled
Great job guys! You made me laugh out loud. I’m thinking the voltage regulator is bad. I had a really nice HondaEM400 it ran perfect but put out 160volts ruined my electronic battery charger. Found a voltage regulator on Epay for 350 bucks just to much money for 400watts.
The funny thing is that little piece of foam is the air filter🤣
I've got one of these, had it for years. Its blue but exactly the same. Rated 900 running watts but, funny enough, they all have a range of ratings. Have seen some at high as 1200w, lol. I use it to run my sump pump during rainy outages. Run TruFuel in it and it AWAYS starts. Gives me time to decide if the outage will be long enough to fire up the big genset. Ugly power, but the sump pump don't care. Also, need to replace the cheap chinese plug with an NGK...makes a world of difference.
I've worked on one of those and it performed ok. Also have seen other videos with good reviews, so there's probably something wrong with the generator part. Might still be worth looking at. I also managed to find parts on ebay for these too.
Hi Taryl, thanks for the great video. Just wondering how you get rid of all the bad gas’s you collect? Cheers Ian
You should purchase the voltage draw checker they sell at harbor freight, James Condon uses one all the time to check amps, hertz, and voltage . It's probably fixable.
Great video! Couldn't wait for the thrilling ending. Oh BTW, what's going on with the Stilch chainsaw under your bench?
Mine was bought before they were called TailGator, it looks like the same machine. I intentionally run low amp drills around 4.5 amps on it. When it was running and I pulled the drill's trigger the little bugger immediately ran faster on it's own, worked fine even with spade bits. I let it sit for several years and it won't start. That's why I'm watching this.
Its runs good job we learn a lot from ya thank you
Good one guys, not really scary till Taryl started singing😱, i jumped straight to the end did the generator get fixed🎶🤣
My guess is that since 75v is about 2/3 of 110v (standard USA voltage) it is likely related to the electric motor/generator side and not the gasoline side.
It could very well be related to the windings which can happen with an over heating where the insulation on the winding wires melts or a diode goes bad.
Unless you "just happen to have that part" laying around, it is rarely worth it to try to fix.
A bit of money from the junk guy though for the copper in the windings and the scrap iron value.
I had one of those generators, I got it from hobo freight. I used it to run a circular saw to cut plywood at hunting camp.
I like all your shows
Someone else pointed out that the engine RPM is set to give a 60 hz frequency output. When you raised the RPM the voltage was still bouncing all over the place. Yeah someone could have overloaded it but I would first check out the capacitor on the generator first before trashing it. The capacitor has two functions; it induces voltage into the rotor as well as helps regulate the output voltage and a faulty capacitor or if by chance it has lost a good connection it will give you the exact symptoms you are seeing with the generator.
Thinking rpm should be set at 50 to 80% elec. load. Check flywheel magnet/s, maybe sparking 2x per rev., seems like it, sounds lower than your rpm meter reading. Also, those plug in polarity testers like you used light up at a much lower voltage than 120v, so a meter is a must.
I have that generator one of the red ones..watch the muffler . Mine wouldnt run past idle so after checking almost every possible problem I notice there was restricted flow out of the exhaust. They over stuffed the muffler with fiberglass which mixed with the oily exhaust ended up plugging it up. Cut that muffler off welded on a takeoff muffler from a 196cc chonda and BINGO it runs fine.
Thanks for sharing
I watch you're videos great show taryol
Remove end plate and check capacitor, the cap controls power output and set speed for 61.5 hz. Higher frequency will damage windings on tools.
You can get caps at most electric wholesale houses.
Its likely a Capacitor ready to fall. before you flow it out check that. it should be behind were the power outlet and the on/off switch is it might be a panel to remove behind there. And you can get the replacement Capacitor cheap on line. just match the uF and the volts.
I know it has become common for folks to say 2 cycle engine and I’m OK with that. What bugs me, though, is that manufacturers write it on the product or box. It is a cycle engine. Engines can complete the cycle in 2 strokes or in 4 strokes. But they are not 2 cycle or 4 cycle engines. Intake, compression, combustion, exhaust (suck, squeeze, bang, blow) Is the cycle. Great video. Love the channel. Just my pet peeve for the day.
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I have the same one, it runs really well
I have one. Mine still runs like new. That's probably why I take care of my stuff
Bass guitarist1985 is on the money. I bet this is a brushed gen end and the slip rings are full of carbon from the brushes.
A lot of guys don’t realize that Hz and Rpm are synchronous, just divide the RPM by the number of poles in the gen end to get 60Hz. (3600rpm gen is a 6 pole gen) Small generators need to be adjusted higher 62.5hz to compensate for governor droop due to the small engine’s output not being able to easily compensate for loading easily.
I still have one before that when they were called storm cat... The air filter is that little block of foam in-between the intake and the carb!!
Their is a small screw on the regulator assymbly that adjust the voltage. it's on back of the generator motor. the engine speed will only increase the hrtz from about 50 to 75 the 3300 rpm is the set for 60 hrtz. the generator is fine just adjust the regulator screw or replace regulator if it won't adjust.
You guys put so much work and effort into making these videos! You should have over 1M subscribers, I know you definitely deserve it!! The TH-cam algorithm is so mean and unfair sometimes! 😤😠
i have one runs great.. u need to keep it choked til it warms up(good couple minutes)or else it will turn off right away and the air filter is the black foam
Mustie's coming' hide your junk yeh 🎵🎶 too funny 🤣
I have one, blue in color. The problem I had was the petcock sticks up too high in the tank, so a 1/3 of tank full it won't run, 1/2 a tank will. I found no way to remedy the situation except by keeping it full of gas.