Affirmative Action Reconsidered | OLD PARKLAND CONFERENCE
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- Since the 1970s, Americans have been divided over the merits of affirmative action, while the courts have hemmed and hawed over the legality of race-conscious policies. What is the track record of racial preferences? Do they benefit the black poor, as proponents claim? Do they stigmatize beneficiaries? Do they increase racial resentment? Does affirmative action harm black students by placing them in schools where they are unprepared to handle the work and less likely to thrive? Are there alternative ways of addressing black underrepresentation at elite schools and in white-collar professions? How should the Supreme Court decide the discrimination case filed by Asian students against Harvard? Mene Ukueberuwa was joined by Gail Heriot, Devon Westhill, and Kenny Xu to explore these questions and more.
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I agree with Ken's quoted statement:
"Wokeness is a response to shield white people from being called racist. That's the prupose of Harvard's race preferences. It's not to help blacks. It's not. It doesn't. It's so that Harvard's administrators can tell the world how great and creative and diverse they are."
proving once again that liberals 'helping' blacks is simply semantics, nothing more. I don't think you can get more condescending than that!
Kenny is such a wise and brave warrior for justice and meritocracy!!! He is so calm and so articulated! Great job! Kenney!👍👍👍The recent SCOTUS ruling proved that Kenny is right!👍👍👍
Wokeness is a black term that was co-opted by white people on both sides of the argument for their culture war.
➡️👉Harvard Current Minority Demographics 👈
✅Black American Born citizens only(Not African Nationals from the continent of Africa)15.2%
✅Asian American 27.9%
✅Hispanic or Latino 12.6%
✅Native American 2.9%
✅Native Hawaiian 0.8%
👉Harvard's Breakdown👈
✅️White 12,074
✅️International 6,963
✅️Asian 4,153
✅️Hispanic 2,876
✅️Black 1,994 African
✅️Multi-Ethnic 1,198 ✅️Unknown 1,037
⛔️🤔Harvard diversity statistics shows that there are 39.7 percent white students enrolled at Harvard University, 13.7 percent Asian students, 9.46 percent Hispanic or Latino students, 6.56 percent Black or African American students, 3.94 percent students who identify with more than one race, 0.197 percent students who identify as American Indian or Alaska Native, and 0.118 percent students who identify as Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islanders.
Thank you brother, thank you Kenny Xu.
Thomas Sowell had made every argument and presented every statistic mentioned 20 plus years ago. Thomas Sowell one of the best minds the US has ever seen.
I agree!
Folks need to read Preferential Policies An International Perspective by Thomas Sowell.
Dr sowell never went back to Harvard for any functions. He turned 93 years young on June.
One of the greatest mind in our life time .
Black Moderator: “Exposure to High Caliber Black Students”. I went to Cornell Engineering in the 1990’s. Let’s just say the well of black talent ran dry long before it got to a lower Ivy like Cornell, even if Cornell still claims on their website to have the best engineering in the Ivy League. The affirmative action students I met at Cornell were unimpressive to say the least (that’s why they are AA). Calling them under-prepared for zero grade inflation Cornell would be an understatement. Glad the Supreme Court put an end to this ridiculousness. Meritocracy all the way!!!!
When did you graduate?
@@shantelane2553 1990’s. I finished in 2.5 years. Pretty impressive for such a difficult engineering program if I do say so myself.
That last guy talking about the emotional discussion 😅😅😅 Shoved right up the victim’s butt 😂🎉
Finally people speaking the truth in the face of entrenched corrupt power.
The argument against AA seems fairly common sense. Simply getting admitted into a school is not as valuable as the experience and learning recieved at that school. If AA is resulting in a worse experience and reduced participation in STEM for historically underprivileged groups, then it’s not working. Someone coming out of a high but not top ranked school with a 4.0 and an engineering degree is probably going to have a more fulfilling career than someone went to an elite school intending to be an engineer but getting destroyed by the curve against the best of the best of the best.
Affirmative action is synonymous to virtue signaling on the part of white majority.
You left out the part where you dont' actually know how AA works......but wanton ignorance and stupidity is what Right Wingers do.
Harvard isn't known for engineering. I'm surprised at overhearing students obsessing by saying 'I got in.' calculus was developed by someone in their thirties and later diagnosed with schizophrenia. There is a major grade grubbing and the game of psyching out other students that frequently goes on or students comparing grades constantly.
George Westinghouse was told he was too advanced already to study engineering in college. Students can have a mentality about being younger and smarter. Asian students aren't perfect. Other groups can study more. I'm a descendant of king Alfred and getting so annoyed with Kenny's attitude. Historically grades weren't always everything at Harvard. Okay Harvard isn't enamored get over yourselves. Other people deserve to go to Harvard too. It's true though lowest personality score. Harvard hasn't excluded all Asians. What kind of volunteer work? Asians aren't perfect although nonviolent and not sociopaths. Outraged over admissions. What about the DACA kids who were found working in slaughterhouses cleaning them at night as you g as middle school age. Too bad if there were too many Jewish students they tend to exclude others. Jewish students can go to other universities. Harvard wants other people to participate. Harvard wants students who want to save the world not just use Harvard to improve their own status.
@@kel-in5gi If Harvard is looking for other students, they need to do let these groups know what parameters are starting in grade school..
@@kel-in5giHarvard isn’t known for engineering? Only because it has so many other number 1 programs to be known for! But don’t believe for a second that Harvard isn’t top tier for engineering as well, eg The Times Higher Education supplement ranking from 2019 looks like this for top 5:
University of Oxford
Stanford University
Harvard University
California Institute of Technology
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
I hope more people see this. I really appreciate how everyone approached this rationally and kept emotions out as much as possible. Also appreciate the gentleman's apology at the end, and hope that everyone understands where he's coming from.
He's coming from a place of pure emotion. He wants revenge. He spewed some facts and some personal experience, presented no good rebuttal to anything anyone said, and didn't really own up to the implications of his tirade. I only wish someone less silly would have spoken up with a reasonable counter view. Hopefully that's because no one could😀
@@teacherrussell5206 His apology was unnecessary., people didn't hear what he said ,they heard what they chose to.
Very good moderator
I’m SO HAPPY that in the end of this conference, the Black American CALLED OUT the other Black Person for his TERRIBLE TAKE on Asians, and HELD HIM ACCOUNTABLE.
Why was his take terrible? If nothing else, he again showed what these institutions are willing to do to set up artificial quotas. The man had a standard for passing his class, admin asked him to lower his standards in order to keep numbers high, Wouldn't you feel cheated if you were graded equally to someone who didn't do what was asked of them in that class, but you did?
That’s why he did it. So that everyone would know he’s one of the “ good ones”.
Everything is hate nowadays. Even giving an account of your own experiences is hate somehow. That clown said what he said for the exact reason I pointed out. A weak black man who wants to be accepted above all else.
@@markballard1515 No, he did it because the previous black gentlemen was just spewing Asian hate. Here's some advice, "Do better or stay behind."
Is academic excellence solely based on population percentage?
@@markballard1515if you start allowing to that kind of attitude, you know what will start happening? A lot of racism rampant like 1950s. You will again start seeing whites sharing their personal experiences about blacks and using AA to limit blacks access. Sounds familiar? While you complain blacks are disadvantaged, you are saying that’s ok when used against another minority. You are saying racism is ok.
You cannot mandate the outcome. Some groups will be over represented when merit comes into play.
Black American merit never matters when genuine white racism is operating! That has always been the actual problem!
This was a fantastic discussion, and while I wish this video enjoyed more visibility, I am glad to have come across it thanks to Reddit and I am glad this channel exists.
Kenny Xu: develop your on-camera charisma and energy level; start running.
So true. Typical boring Asian. Harvard is right to make it grossly more difficult for Asian students.
Meritocracy is the only option. Meritocracy is not perfect but is perfect enough for a successful society. Mediocrity leads to failure as we see in America today led by the mediocre political class.
I'm a black American and I score at the top of my classes. Going forward, I will identify as Asian.
Good for you! Go ahead!! Good luck. 😆
😅
As a black American woman, I am glad Affirmative Action is gone. Let's move forward, black people, and strive to be twice as good as everyone else! That has always been a fight!😎
Do you know who's not happy? Asians who are now being locked out due to race and complaining. Without AA they have no recourse. This had nothing to do with Blacks who appear to be still getting in without AA.
Gosh this conversation has so many good comparisons to what companies are doing with their DEI initiatives in trying to raise their ESG scores. I wonder if the results of the Supreme Court rulings will trickle down to the capitalistic markets as well.
Our society needs more such open discussions, which are so rare nowadays ...🙏🙏🙏
This discussion is so refreshing! Thank you all!
Great discussion on such an important issue! 👍👍👍Great job by the panelists and moderator👍👍👍! Our society should have more open discussions like this! Deep appreciation for our Constitution!❤❤❤
If 'affirmative action' truly was 'affirmative', more people would support it, but the reality is that 'affirmative action' only ever meant ONE THING: pro-black privilege.
While benefiting white women the most 🤡
What I understand is that this colleges offered students courses that do not help to get a job but a college debt.
It’s about CULTURE over skin color
Reparations or die
I think culture plays a role
@@torrencegill4650 Specifically the IQ that comes with the culture.
@@bobsmith3983 IQ is a learned skill!
@@torrencegill4650 Absolutely not. Have you figured out why you couldn't attend MIT?
"Sharing your personal experiences" ? In anger and with a target! I really appreciate the last speaker who pointed out the hypocricy.
Here is the problem with Affirmative Action. A question: Did She/He get the job because they were the best, or because they are black?
EXACTLY!
Or because they was Latino or native American
@@godzillamegatron3590
My Point Exactly. Thank You.
You notice they NEVER talk about the oppression faced by left handed albino transgender lesbian wheelchair bound dwarfs?
:-)
Steven the same can be said about whites
Chief diversity officer?
"Zoo animals"? He stated tons of racial stereotypes. Where did he come from? It has benefited White women more. Historical accuracy.
If you are on the deathbed and your doctor is Black or Latinos, say goodbye to your family. The affirmative doctors? Good luck.
Kenny Xu is a hero to Asian Americans and all who are against discrimination.
Fighting against another minority group who had paved the way for all minorities doesn’t sit well with me; moreover, African Americans are not the only group benefiting from Affirmative action. Affirmative action was not designed to lower the standards(maybe schools doing these on their own accord)but to give opportunities to qualified students who might not have had the opportunity to get into the so called elite institutions.
The funny thing about all of this is that most of these schools were built from the profits of the opium trade and at the expense of the Chinese people in China and enslaved Africans .
In the final analysis, Couple of hundred years later, two minority groups who had been exploited are at each other’s throats to get into institutions who had historically exploited them 🤦♂️.
@@Speedy300 Discrimination and racism is wrong no matter what the circumstances of the minority group. A college's admission policy should be based upon merit, period. Going through school i see so many scholarships and grants from various institutions for blacks, latinos, and native americans. Never one for Asians, never. How's that for fairness? The way i see it blacks are given a leg up in our society because the majority (whites) are afraid to be called a racist.
@@pjscafe I believe grants and scholarships were not just for blacks and Latinos. The question here is : are the Asians immigrants(foreign students)or citizenship ? That being said, my Asian brothers and sisters should be treated fairly. Black Americans deserve a leg up but not at the expense of the Asians. Moreover, affirmative action was supposed to give opportunity to the most qualified minorities and was not supposed to base selection on just skin color alone but some schools might have taken things too far; however, not all black or Latino students got into those schools because of just skin color but were smart enough to handle the work load and etc.
Unfortunately, my Asian brothers and sisters just targeted black Americans and made their case by blaming them for everything (Maybe easy target)but the situation is complex (legacy students and schools not just look at grades only but other things as well).
@@Speedy300fighting against another minority group who is racist and unequal. Kenny is a hero to Asian Americans. You say fighting against another minority group who have paved the way for all minorities? I don't think so. Blacks only think of themselves. They have to fight for themselves they had no choice. It's not like they fought intentionally to pave way for anyone. It's absurd. They've been getting a free ride for so long.
all of us are against discrimination except blacks and white liberals.
I am so proud of this young man.🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏👍❤️
Very proud!!! Indeed! We need more discussions like this!❤❤❤
Well done, I wish more of those in authority would act in such a calm and reasoned way with polite debate n discussion from informed people. They are of course right that race shouldn't be counted either for or against you in jobs or education, it's called nasty racism. I was also sad to hear how some SCOTUS Justices seem happy to make very wide interpretations of laws and the Constitution to justify their personal opinions and beliefs rather than following the law as it was written.
Dr. Sowell brought this to light more that thirty years ago.
1:03:30 is powerful.
Which is understandable why he would berate Asian Americans. More often than not, they are usually complicit or on code with white supremacy, to be in opposition to blacks. They want white acceptance, which is also part of the true American dream to truly be American in white America. 🇺🇸
"what whites did to blacks"
I guess people can compare the life of blacks in the US to those of blacks in middle Africa and see exactly what "whites did to blacks"...
Legacy Seats are the problem that's not being spoken about
If AA is shut down, I believe that brings a lot of momentum for people to go after legacy seats next. If race can't be use for preferential treatment, then who you're related to should also not be a reason for preferential treatment. Some folks believe that AA is the first domino that needs to fall to get rid of all these discriminating policies.
Legacy lawsuit started
Affirmative Action has always been a racist/sexist movement. If you are basing your admissions and/or hiring policies on ANYTHING other than merit, you’re committing a discriminatory act of racism/sexism.
Asian Americans generally test higher because most don’t live in a culture than celebrates failure and violence. Blame black Americans’ failure to thrive on the fatherlessness and their cultural norms that are antithetical to success. Jews have faced just as much adversity in our history and yet they represent the pinnacle of education and financial success (occupying a huge percentage of our top paying positions throughout various sectors).
Affirmative Action is counterproductive and not conducive to a strong nation. If Asian Americans & white Americans are the better candidate, based on merit, they should receive admittance/the job. Nobody is demanding discrimination against black Americans in professional sports (despite a very blatant disproportionately high percentage of black athletes).
But can these high performance Asian students pay the full cost of the tuition at these schools?
@@godzillamegatron3590 That’s what merit-based scholarships are for. Race has nothing to do with merit or opportunity. It’s all cultural.
People hating on rich wht families passing on their wealth to their children fail to acknowledge “crazy rich Asians” which exist in larger numbers.
@@Resvrgam Harvard and Yale are still a business. And tuition is their income stream. My question is , can the Asian students afford to pay the tuitions that these colleges require?
@@godzillamegatron3590 Considering, statistically, Asian Americans have a higher household income than white Americans, I don’t see why they couldn’t.
@@godzillamegatron3590 can the blacks? Many of them come with scholarships or take out loans; kind of a moot point, at least in context.
Shame on that rude and aggressive black “professor“.
I am proud that Kenny kept his cool.
I am thankful for Jason Riley’s kind and thoughtful closing words.
what did you expect from an affirmative action professor?
It highlights his emotional immaturity and his personal racial biases against Asian Americans. Rinse and repeat.
Wow all three are right, great panel!
do south asians face the same situation as east asians?
I am happy that Jason Riley pointed that out - YES absolutely on target.
You don’t see but a small handful of Black people complaining about Affirmative Action ending. I’m Black and felt it could have been done away with years ago but my only concern is the racism that exists in this country. A case for ending affirmative action at Harvard could have been based on the graduation rates of the Black, White and Asian students. They were all extremely high only a 1 percentage point difference. The case could have been Black kids can succeed without Affirmative Action but the racism in America would not allow anything good to be said about Black people. Instead you get some Asian person to get up there crying about unqualified Black students taking their slots when their slots were most likely taken by unqualified Legacy students. I have been complaining about the disrespect ever since the ruling but my friends are like F them, let’s just see what happens when they are rejected and don’t have that affirmative action pacifier to suck on. Look for some mass shooting down the road I say.
I don't and won't ask for special treatment. But at least all people of many races in America should have their own right and protection. No matter if we are African American, Middle-east Americans, European American, Latino Hispanic, Asian American, or Native American.
There are many Smart people and dumb people in the world; as well as hardworking dedicated people and lazy people. Why hate, prejudice and critical others.
I said this before and I will say it again. I find it incredible that AA is a thing in a world where we have pilots/surgeons/engineers. I want those professions to be handed and trained by their merits and expertise over an arbitrary measurement of fairness. AA is discriminatory against skill.
As if to say Black ppl accepted to Harvard are accepted despite being functionally illiterate.
The graduation rate among African Americans at Harvard is 96%.
Additionally, there’s no such thing as a meritocracy at Harvard, because, going by that rubric, the student body would be 48% Asian.
Thirdly: just because you’re adept at taking and passing a standardized test, doesn’t mean you’ll be a successful person in life, or that your contribution to society, will be over and above anybody else.
Bill Gates was a high school dropout.
@@paulhaye
I did not make assertions about functionality and graduation rates etc. That is a whole other debatable topic.
The points you brought up are all the exceptional circumstances. Sure, you can be great and do poorly on standardized tests. Sure, you can do great on exams and be unsuccessful. No one is arguing those points. However, there is a base general baseline and for most people the result of an exam is one of the manners in which you can assess viability for a position.
People love to use that "Bill Gates was a drop out " line but that is the exception. How many drop out and become Bill Gates? Additionally, he didn't succeed because he dropped out. He did so despite of it. His success is due to a lot of other factors.
Bringing up Bill Gates was a drop out shows you do believe success is not contingent upon getting a Harvard education. So then why fight for AA given it's not the end all be all for success?
The main point of this is that meritocracy drives society towards progress.
@@paulhaye I forgot to add. The overall graduation rate at Harvard is close to 99%. I am unsure about the relevance of the 96% statistic.
@@Tone2K To show that African Americans at Harvard are not unqualified dunces. They are there because they are qualified to be there.
Actually, as sad as it is to see AA go, I’m somewhat glad. What are you all going to complain about now?
Hear this: the entire USA, is an affirmative action program…for white people!
If you’re a white man, and you cannot make it in America, it probably has nothing to do with affirmative action.
Such a person will have to examine their own shortcomings and inadequacies.
@@paulhaye Bill Gates as others of the ilk are the exceptions. Generally more highly educated people have better outcomes in wealth and lifestyle for example, than the less educated.
All I know is that if you have cancer or a critical ailment, or just flying to another city etc, you'd want the most competent professional in the field to serve you.
In addition, IMO arguing for affirmative action is in itself a form of racism as to be "fair" to a particular minority race, you'd have to discriminate against another minority race who has fared much better scholastically.
What about affirmative action across the employment practice and social promotion versus merit and actual efficiency and excellence
Here's a true life example of the actual race problem in employment. A Black man applies for a skilled position as a service technician. He meets all education and experience requirements of the position. All the applicants must take a competitive examination on ELECTROMECHANICAL TECHNOLOGY. The Black man scores 97% on the test to make the number one highest score. THREE white males with LOWER test scores are hired. The Black man who made the top test score was NOT hired! Do you see the problem?
@@willharriman1881 Right but people don't get this.
@@niaedmonds3342 You are Right! When this happened, the mainstream media wouldn't touch it! They claimed the story wasn't newsworthy!
The real problem with affirmative action is that it tries to fix too many diverse problems and lost its effectiveness. We need more diverse programs to address those diverse problems.
Those that benefits more from AA it is mostly white woman that benefits more than blacks
@@emryadora ironically, it was used to admit more wealthy African immigrants than historically disadvantaged black Americans. It was also used to admit more Hispanics than Blacks. These top colleges used AA to discriminate certain race (Asian) and mask their wrongs in the past but they actually further disadvantaged the American blacks. What AA should have been is scoping it down narrowly to say american born blacks so it isn’t used to discriminate other races. Alas that wasn’t the case
👉Harvard's Breakdown👈
✅️White 12,074
✅️International 6,963
✅️Asian 4,153
✅️Hispanic 2,876
✅️Black 1,994 African
✅️Multi-Ethnic 1,198 ✅️Unknown 1,037
⛔️🤔Harvard diversity statistics shows that there are 39.7 percent white students enrolled at Harvard University, 13.7 percent Asian students, 9.46 percent Hispanic or Latino students, 6.56 percent Black or African American students, 3.94 percent students who identify with more than one race, 0.197 percent students who identify as American Indian or Alaska Native, and 0.118 percent students who identify as Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islanders.
⛔#FactsDoMatter
"Affirmative action has been quite beneficial to women, and disproportionately beneficial to white women. Women are now more likely to graduate with bachelor’s degrees and attend graduate school than men are and outnumber men on many college campuses. In 1970, just 7.6 percent of physicians in America were women; in 2002, that number had risen to 25.2 percent. But - and this is a big but - those benefits are more likely to accrue to white women than they are to women of color, and that imbalance has very real effects on employment and earnings later in life. In other words: affirmative action works, and it works way better for white women than it does for all the other women in America."~IMDiversity and PewResearchCenter
💥💥💥Updated US Census Data💥💥
💥White (Born Citizen):(57.8% of the US Pop./ 204.3 Million People)(This also includes Persian/Middle Eastern/ Arab ethnicities)
College Attendance: 42%
💥Black(Born Citizen): (14.2% of the US Pop./ 47.2 Million People)
College Attendance: 36%
💥Latino/Hispanic(Born Citizen):(18.5% of the US Pop./ 62.1 Million People)
College Attendance: 39%
💥Asian(Born Citizen):(5.9% of the US Pop./ 18.6 Million People)(All Asian Ethnicities/Indian/Pakistani)
College Attendance: 58%
💥Native Americans: 2.9% of US Population/ 9.7 Million People)(This include native Alaskans)
College Attendance: 19%
Do kids need training wheels to ride bikes at 30?
You gonna debate this???
Reparations or die
I think the question is, are they really succeeding if given special treatment?
Forget that ! why are you not dealing with the systems that allowed broken homes? Why are we acting like everyone is not racist?
No. They fail and drop out.
@@michelleder108 Whites, Jews, Italians drop out.
Whites have been getting special treatment since the USA was founded, written in racist laws, or unofficially. Jim Crow is a white affirmative action program!! Institutional racism is white affirmative action!!
Success is relative. Your idea of success is subjective and yours. Problem begins when you try to define success for others and their families.
Personality is how does one relates to others. If cannot relate then what type of doctor are you or lawyer to clients.
Asian Americans are fed up. We're fed up with affirmative action, we're fed up being attacked on the streets and then told to shut up whenever the attackers happen to be Black men (which was, in fact, quite often the case). We're fed up, as Ken Xu says here, having our hard work thrown in our face. For shame.
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I don’t want to hear anything Kenny Xu has to say until they repay Americans from the damage covid has caused! Kenny was very anti black on some of his interviews he did, and im so curious why is he so keen on African American in their acceptances in these universities. Why didn’t he bring up how his immigrant parents received money, housing, and guidance with free lawyers to be able to thrive in America, which allowed them to focus on his education. He could have advocated for better funding for public schools.
Is Harvard that important? I agree that we should not only go to HBUC, when we are qualified to go to other colleges based on our skills and not our color. Why did the black guy in the end check Jason Riley, he was just stating what he was told to do?
Kenny got his ideas from who and where?
Amazing post
Thanks.
was it asian americans who were twerking on cars in chicago or was it another race?
The personality harvard looks for..lol
Are elite schools really that much more difficult to graduate from?
Yes.
their elite for a reason right
@@Malignus68 tell me more.
@@HXRMLESS yes... but I don't know that that's the reason.
YES. Academic standards are much higher. And rightfully so, the students at elite schools are the best of the best, and you have to teach at the pace of the average student. It’s horrible to be at the bottom of your class no matter where you go to school. It discourages those who would’ve done well in another setting to switch programs or worse, drop out and not graduate.
@Kevin Boone, where is your comment? i got an email about it but i can't find it here. did you delete it?
great civil conversation on a hot topic. p.s. they need to put some "pop filters" on those mics in the audience. puh, puh, puh....
AA is nothing but a quota system. If you can't compete, you don't have the right to complain. Fix the problems from the bottom up, not the other way around. When you begin to see people as a mathematician or scientist who happens to be black, instead of a black mathematician or black scientist in this society, then you will finally understand what respect for self and others means. When schools start running their businesses with respect for their consumers (students), you will not see preferential treatment given students based on stereotypes like the example given regarding Georgetown.
It is a mess because people in this society feel a certain safety in their ignorance; the concept of competition has been lost on them, sorry, but self-policing does not work--you need standards that no amount of manipulation of data can overcome.
The problem is systemic. In order to “fix” the problem we will need to dismantle the current system and start over. In doing so, resources must be allocated in a way there’s a level playing field.
@@crltnmbr1 Examples please.
@@crltnmbr1 go fix public grade school systems for failing so many young minorities or the evergrowing single-parent household culture incapable of disciplining the children. that would create a level playing field, this is where the majority of the help is needed in the first place.
Good! So what happens when 90% students that make Harvard are Asians and Whites? Harvard becomes an Asian/Caucasian school right? No need for blacks to even apply. No chance to lead the country or other national offices right? So just move out of the US or create a new nation for Blacks?
@@Liukanginthehousehow do you fix public schools! They are underfunded! At time affirmative action was started their was a major problem then with public schools because whites did policies to under fund them! Still happening now!
I was surprised to see and hear that Harvard university finally tried to cover their wrong by inviting Michele Yeow to speak for them recently
Harvard has money💰💰💰💰, tons of money, to cover what they are doing or not doing! It is sad that a leading university just spent so much energy and money to just do the "window dressing" and harm the real justice!
This was an awesome discussion. Thank you. Also great moderating and great panel.
That black Georgetown Prof. was rebuked enough at the end, but he wants us to believe Asian Indians, who are native English speakers, have problems with class discussion?? No Effing way. What planet is he on?? Not buying it for a second!
US should throw affirmative action out. What universities should open more places if think that it want to include more races.
Plaim and simple. Decision taken to give or not give a opportunigy based on skin color is discrimination, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO EDUCATOON, EMPLOYMENT ETC. These affirmative actions kind of stupid laws causes contradiction and more loop holes to increase discrimination and racsim for those who want to discriminate. Its happening with genders too now. Opportunities must be based on merit, not skin color. Every race have their genea strenghts, weakness but every race also have all types of peoples with all types of strenghts and weakness. Not every occupation, every job, every place needs to have equal amount of races which is stupid. But the right people for the right place. Just like extreme feminists dont argue about why more women are not un constructions, affirmative action promoters wont argue why more blacks are in sports, becox what they are fightung for will never happen, equal percentage of every race in every place is pure nonsense. Simple and plain, equal opportunities for all, based on merit, not gender not skin color. Any other rules will create more loop holes to be abused.
Reparations or die
affirmative action is discrimination against the successful and qualified
Statistics shows that *white women benefits the most from Affirmative Action.* There are also data to show that many of the Black and Brown students from disadvantaged backgrounds who strived to get into Ivy league Institutions, score more than the white legacies and donations gifting applicants. Why are these asians not suing the school for giving their positions to those privileged, but underqualified whites instead? Why pick on those who were already marginalized out of the gate? Once again, the Black people who fought for the opportunities that allowed them to even be in such positions to attend these schools are the ones being punished in the ununited states.
How can we get more Asian Americans???? This is important if we want to be the best.
A "caricature"? Does that include the moderator?
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Is affirmative action a FOREVER THING that discriminates one group by giving another group an advantage?
Basically its picking on people telling them theyre not as smart as others because of their parents. It's like making fun of someone because of their weight or acne or being poor or wearing past season clothes or the neighborhood someone lives in whether they live in apartment or house what zip code they live in
If a house is detached or they hire a gardener or they shop at JC Penneys instead of Neiman Marcus where their parents drive a Volvo a Toyota or a Porsche or a pickup truck what their parents do for a living
This panelist from Yale was not supposed to not grade Asian students for not participating because they don't participate
Maybe we can see why Harvard wanted to keep the Jewish students out if they had that same attitude as the person in the green outfit
A black mark against ivy league schools that went down
It is exasperating to be with students who don't participate
Affirmative action, concerning the 3rd point, creates a narrative that tells the minority students "you weren't good enough to get here on your own" which is deplorable. Add in the fact that these students were unprepared and that only gets worse. I would hate to see the dropout rates because of it. Affirmative action should have been a case of providing necessary education to lift up people of any race, gender, or religion who want higher education to allow them to succeed in college, extra funding for the poor, and hard rule legislation preventing ANY form of discriminations as to student selection. The bar that should be met is entry scores -- that's it. The problem with such legislation as we have seen so far is that is promotes inequality by definition. For racism to not be a "thing" all people have to be treated equally, no matter what the color of their skin is. Many people who could succeed well at places like Harvard simply cannot hope to afford the education, due to outrageously high costs. These schools were arguably designed to be the education of future leaders, based upon income, and to keep out those who couldn't afford them. I.E. poor people didn't need to worry about a higher education, as they couldn't pay for it. These schools were often founded in classism to begin with.
Universities are one thing but government jobs create even more problems with mediocrity instead og excellence.
gov workers become mediocre because it's almost impossible to get rid of them. Why perform when your job doesn't depend on it?
I think we need more affirmative action. Everything has to be fair! Its not fair that the NFL gives preference to African Americans. they should employ the 20 percent rule so that we dont have to run as fast. raise the 40 yrd dash bar. gives us extra second!
Kiney shu. Is he from india?
No, Kenny Xu is Chinese American.
@@FirstLast-jm4dx people from India are Asian. So, why no Indians filling
@@FirstLast-jm4dx I thought he was bringing law suit for Indians. Indians are Asian.
@@Californiansurfer He's arguing against using race for admissions; he's arguing for meritocracy for admissions.
He is America born Asian American.
There is no need to pick on him.
He is a talented and articulate young man, totally destroy Harvard’s “low personality” insult.
❤ this stuff
The Black American, Caribbean American, African American experience is not a monolith but its also not that different that we don't know each others plight.
I dont think asian americans supported AA ever.
If you think black students cannot do the work, admit it, find a 12-step program, and move out of the way. Expect the same rigor from every student without prejudice. Leave it behind and never look back.
US News & World Reports people sure obsess with its ranking system
now this is good argument
Jason riley the real one.
Maybe everyone should start out on the same level. MIT stopped grading freshman year because a female chinese burned the dorm room. College isnt supposed to be such a pressure cooker people are killing themselves once they 'get in'. I hear asian students all over uc Berkeley campus talking nonstop about getting in. I heard some optometry students expressing frustration over missing one or two points rather than discussing the actual test question. Optometry is dispensing glasses not opthamology where there is subtlety involved. This grade grubbing obsession with the point of proving you are better than someone else is intended to hurt someone's feelings and hope they fail drop out and fall through the cracks.
What medication are you on?
The last comment could have been saved. The last guy attempting to get browny points from whom ever.
Successful non-discriminatory policies would imply that racial discrimination can hold people back.
The supposed need for Affirmative Action implies that race is what holds people back. How is that not racist?
The basic premise of the discussion needs to be re-examined. Why should somebody be cut out? In today's day and age, with the levels of advancement in technology, why are we still fixated on old ratios like student:teacher? Why aren't we working towards increasing class sizes? Why aren't we looking at bringing from kids into top tier universities - the argument that it dilutes the class room experience is bogus, especially when technology can do so much of the teaching already.
I wondered what his staffing looks like in his law office?
Ahhh... Good ol' Affirmative Action AKA modern-day reparations AKA legal discrimination.
I was looking at my parents high school. Annual -1950 and noticed that there quarter more females than males-so it seems like the issues involved will never be repaired
Rather be an average student with interpersonal, analytical and problem solving skills than high test scores without those attributes! 😂
This guy on the right nuts.
America always put personality skills first. I am qualified for the job but had little or no personality skills so I didn’t get the job. I have known people who could barely read and/or write and you couldn’t tell because they had all the personality skills in the world and they ended up doing even better than others because of their personality. I, on the other hand always had low paid jobs because of it. So, are you saying that America should hire people even with no personality skills. I don’t know………if they’ll change that for one group of people. Good luck. I am not Asian.
if you happened to be Asian which by the way incompased an entire continent make this whole argument nonsensical and up to insulting about the issues they put in display. I couldn't help notice that was not a real debate on the issues rather than a long list of Why are they getting this and am not.
All i hear is that black students don't belong at pwi but hbcu 😂
Why you didn't say nothing about the Hispanics
People don't go to black doctors because of the affirmative actions.
Affirmative Action for African Americans is like actively leaving someone bedbound/deconditioned then at college-bound age, finally giving them crutches to go run a marathon for the rest of his/her life. It‘s very inhumane. They belong in rehab until the root cause is addressed which is inadequate primary/formative education.
Here's a true life example of the older race problem in employment that never went away. A Black man applies for a skilled position as a service technician. He meets all education and experience requirements of the position. All the applicants must take a competitive examination on ELECTROMECHANICAL TECHNOLOGY. The Black man scores 97% on the test to make the number one highest score. THREE white males with LOWER test scores are hired. The Black man who made the top test score was NOT hired! Nothing has really changed for Black Americans but a few visible race tokens on display. Do you see the problem?
@@willharriman1881 You are referring to employer affirmative action. The more common reality we are faced nowadays is white applicants scoring 97th percentile and preferential treatment of black applicants scoring 85th percentile. Again, I’m not saying the reverse never happens.
@@ckrgksdkrak You are somewhat confused! The original race problem in the white dominated USA system is that whites did not want any honest, fair competition from Black Americans! In fact, most employment race discrimination today is specifically defined by Black Americans with concrete SUPERIOR qualifications being passed over in favor of LESS QUALIFIED whites! Historically, many Black Americans graduated from historical Black colleges only to find they were relegated to low level jobs like bathroom attendants and janitors. There are many documented cases where highly capable Blacks were called to TRAIN unqualified whites who would later be promoted above the capable Blacks who trained them! WHAT? You actually THOUGHT only whites could possess superior skills and knowledge? If so, you've been totally brainwashed! Even today, there are Blacks with engineering degrees who couldn't get jobs in engineering! But, the mainstream media only pushes the image of gangsta rap chatacters, so people like YOU think it's Black culture!
@@ckrgksdkrakNo most employers don’t have test scores as a criteria. Second, you totally ignore the fact that white pseudoscience created this whole mess. Blacks were and have always been deemed less intelligent than everyone else. The same pseudoscience allow a model minority to attack black people who have always been excluded from employment and colleges James Meredith is one classic example. He was shot and needed the National Guard. This Asian representative will never go through anything remotely like that and he graduated on top of it. So that standardized inferior troupe is dead.
that's not the root cause either! It's been proven many times over. The root cause is a system what 'sells' the idea of college that is not in the interest of the 'student'. Some people just don't belong in a college/university, and no, that's not a racist statement: you need to see how successful people are from trade schools. Why 'force' people to become book smart when they are not so inclined when they can learn a trade that suits them much better, and keep them out of debt?
In today's environment, the idea of a 'college degree' is for the benefit of those who take the payments, not those who are told they need a college degree to get anywhere in life. THAT is the problem.
Just this conversation has me not wanting my Black child anywhere near Harvard with all these generalizations flying around about people. I wonder can these people possibly be happy ? Life is much to short to be involved in pretentiousness and just unnecessary stuff. And what does it get you a political job in DC. Thanks but no Thanks.
Now somebody is talking sense. Tell them as it is.
Indian also represented. They are Asian. ❤❤❤ 10:50
Hate to burst your bubble but the term of Asian was born out of the PC movement as an euphemism to “oriental” and was never the intention of the woke liberals to include South Asians-they were only included due to a technicality. You would be hard pressed to believe we “orientals” share much with South Asians besides the continent.
When people talk about Asians they means East Asians (not south or southeast Asians), yeah thats Incorrected.
@@Nielson941 Indians are Asian right.
@@Nielson941 my Chinese friends claim Asian. Vietnamese, combodians and others not asian. Why?
Indians are Asians
Harvard is looking for other characteristics and qualifications in its prospective student body. There are plenty of black and Hispanic students who deserve to be at harvard. Its not all about points to harvard. Punctuation is part of the SAT you are telling us that punctuation is a compoment in meritocracy
The HBCUs maybe dont have enough clout. Maybe some do some dont need affirmatibe action to succeed. Some students can be grade grubbers and to many college students getting good grades is a game.
We need to make up for the years that white Americans were not given access to these schools. I think a financial disbursement would be suitable. We could issue a reparation! We could make it a huge event .So they get theirs we get ours.
The assumption that black students are not up to par with their classmates is so insulting. You’re talking about Education. The material presented is new to each student and how can you make an assumption that Harvard is admitting black students who cannot keep up.Disgusting!
If we did do away with AA then no one will have any doubts if a black or under represented person graduates from ivy leagues school. They won't have doubt about themselves, their employers, and their customers will not have a doubt that they had special preferences. I think it's for the best of everyone.
it's not an assumption. It's a fact.
@@migo-migo9503 Nobody doubts that but racist people. People who get their world view from others vs evidence. Just look at our current SCOTUS today,look at which one is most qualified. You won’t know how Amazing and smart the black community is because they won’t teach our history. Understand that if it was not for many black inventors you would not be remotely capable of even making this comment on your device.
@@HGiff There are no statistics or data that makes that a fact. So maybe your definition of “fact” is whatever makes you feel good about yourself. 🤔 hmm
@@pierrethegod22 In California, before 1996, when affirmative action was still legal in UC system, black graduation rate in UCLA was significantly lower than Whites and Asians. After prop 209, fewer black students were admitted to UCLA, but their graduate rate went up.