FedEx delayed my high polished Meta SX. It was supposed to show up today 01/04, but it got pushed to Thursday. After riding my 2021 Meta AM for a year, I can't wait to see how the Meta SX compares. I will have to do a review too. I also got my frame from SpokeX. They rock.
I love the Mullet. Running the 2022 Santa Cruz Bronson. I couldn’t do the full 29er because I love the playfulness of the 27.5 but I do like the bigger tire up front.
Dude, I've been watching your channel impatiently for this 2nd edition about your META SX! So excited to see you getting a video out there before anyone else on this bike. Love your reviews and calm demeanor; it's a joy to listen to your perspective. I'm planning a trip to Colorado in May to rent this bike and see if it's for me. I'm the last person on earth to still be riding a 26" Yeti (since 2012) and this bike will surely open my eyes to a new world...I would like to see another video of this bike with you talking about addressing the flip-chip adjustment in the low position and how it rides differently, and include hard braking in those positions and standing climbing. I don't always sit to climb, so climbing feedback is way different than seated which you cover aptly here.
Thanks for the compliment, man! I will be riding it in the low setting this coming weekend (I’m curious myself). I’m lazy 😅so don’t really climb unseated but will keep that in mind as well as the hard braking 🤙🤙
I have a Champagne SX frame hopefully coming in the next few weeks and will be having SpokeX build it up. Will be putting on a factory 38 and float X2. I’m so stoked to try it out and see how it compares to my TR signature. Been feeling like the TR just isn’t quite enough bike, so I’m hoping this thing will hit the sweet spot👌
Congratulations Brian! Good stuff working with SpokeX 🙌 I’m sure it’s gonna hit the sweet spot. Would be cool to hear back from you, your thoughts on it, once you get it
Built my meta SX over Christmas loving it, coming from a privateer 161, a lot more fun to ride, and as you said corner. Experimenting with a megneg at the mo. Keep up the good work 👍
Forgot to tell you good job on the vid. Also would be nice to see a vid or mention on that TRP drive chain, likes, dislikes how it compares to sram/shimano. Keep up the good work.
Nice! .... In my eyes some modern bikes have a too low buttom bracket. My nomad v4 has unbelieveable 332mm in low setting. Pedaling is dangerous in some situations. I find 345mm would be perfect .
Thanks! CommencalUSA provides BB drop but not height measurement, so I’m not sure how it compares. But I would agree. Didn’t/haven’t pedaled strike once
Tempted by the AM as my next bike, as a friend has one and swears by it. But i do lots of trail riding and wouldnt want it to make those boring or be painful on the climbs. My current bike is 16kg and can climb OK but is a struggle sometimes
If you're getting an mixed wheel bike climbing/pedaling speed will be slower, no question. But most people, myself included, bought a mixed wheel bike for a 2nd fun bike...not as a do it all. I think of it as a long travel 27.5 bike with an upgraded front wheel 😉
Hey MILTONATOR, I see you have quite rocky trails out there. I'm curious do you feel like smaller wheel on the back hangs up a bit more on bumps? If you compare it to AM or TR do you see it as a sacrifice in terms of suspension comfort on the back? Thank you.
Not at all man. Personally the only somewhat, noticeable trade out is speed. A full 29er rolls faster. But I done feel like I’ve made any sacrifices going SX (mullet). Going on 5 months and still prefer it over the TR and AM. It’s like a blend of both actually
@@MILTONATOR Thank you for the response! Btw, as I recall correctly you planned to switch from TR to AM, but then you went with SX. What made you switch your mind? Did you have a test ride on SX or it's because of AM frames availability you end up trying out SX?
@@edtsech SpokeX is a local bike shop that’s an authorized Commencal dealer. I walked in planning on ordering the AM but they had the medium SX frame on hand. Looked over the geo and pulled the trigger.
What's your opinion on fox x2 so far? I'm building my sx and trying to decide what shock to go with. My last bike was a yt jeffsy, and a coil transformed that bike due to the progressivity of the frame. People seem to say the AM29 is suited to air because it's more linear at bottom out, but I know they reworked the kinematic for sx, so im not sure how useful that is for me.
Was hesitant to get the X2 because it’s got more settings than I was used to and slightly heavier than the Float X, which is what I wanted. But I threw on the X2 performance on my TR and dialed it based on a Jeff Kendall-Weed video and it made the shock feel super plush while at the same time poppy. Sold! Went out and got this one, X2 factory. Still only messing with LSC and LSR and soon will learn how to dial in the HSC HSR
Great review bro, I'm thinking to get a new bike and I'm between the SX or the TR , the SX it's possible to put a 29rear ? If yes I need to change some link? Thanks man
Thanks man. The sx wont fit a 29 out back. There’s a crossbar preventing it. In my opinion, the SX is an awesome bike. A big bike for big hits. If you’re all about speed and chunk, the SX is the one. If you’re more about poppy, playful, climbing, the TR is the one. The TR can take big hits too, just not as stable when speed picks up
Looks like you found your ride for 2022, looking forward to seeing you at Vailocity this year. We still need to ride Aliso and Laguna, when you want to test that new ride on "Telonics", send me a message.
I'm really enjoying your reviews and am considering on getting the sx. Do you a have any recommendations for sizing? I'm riding the Meta Ht in XL at the moment at a height of 190cm which feels good for me. Do you think both bikes a comparable in regards to the frame size? Thanks for the content and cheers from Germany ✌️😉
Thanks. Personally, I’ve come to trust Commencal’s sizing chart as it’s worked for me every single time (I’ve owned 5 Metas in the past 7 yrs) my recommendation is to preferably demo one but if you can’t, follow the sizing chart. All the best my friend ✌️
@@MILTONATOR thanks for the reply. Yeah I guess I'm not gonna overthink it. Following the sizing chart has worked for the Meta Ht as well. Cheers mate!
Thanks for the video! What is the height of your bars and how many spacers are you running under them? I just got one meta sx and I feel that the bars run too low
Hm interesting cause the Same is With my Clash😅 i thouhgt ITS because the smaller weel. I Change Mine from the Stock 27mm rise to 38mm rise from Title ( using 3 spacers)
This looks like such a cool bike! Great review. At 6'2" I feel like I'm right between L and XL. Don't suppose you've measured BB hieght or standover? Two data points Commencal doesn't provide.
I did. I had the 2020 Capra and there can’t comment on the 2021/22 because they changed the geo. But, my Capra was the most plush bike I’ve owned to date. Loved it on the descents. But that was its weakness on the climbs and when boosting out of corners and on the straightaways. Which is why I sold it.
How does it compare to the TR when riding very rough tech such as on a dh run? I have a TR that I love and it’s super capable in the bike park but I want some more travel and something that can plow a little better.
I just ordered the SX signature and it will be my “all in one” if you will, im 6’4 and went with the XL, riding style is similar to yours with the occasional long ride to substitute beating up my knees on runs. last time i was on a bike it was 26” wheels with avid juicy 7 so its been a while. you mention the TR climbs noticeably better but the SX isnt noticeably worse, little confusing, can you maybe help me get a better understanding. based on geo Id run the TR in low setting and the SX in high setting, seems like you have a lot of experience with these and would value your opinion. thanks
Thanks. And I’m doing exactly what you stated- high setting on the SX. Tried the low and found that’s better suited for bike park/shuttle runs. The climbing on the SX isn’t bad at all. In fact, I find it more efficient than the AM, and I’m thinking that’s probably what I meant to say vs comparing it to the TR. Congrats on the future bike 🤘
I have just broken my 2020 meta am frame. So commencal offered to replace it with a 2022 SX frame. But as a all mountain guide I'm a bit hesitant. I'm sure it's a beast on the downhill. But I'm afraid its going to be horrible on the climbs. I'm thinking about asking for a Tr frame. What is your experience about the climbing compared to the 2020 AM? I do very steep climbs and I wasn't always happy with the climbing on the AM
It’s been my experience so far that the SX (flip chip in high setting) climbs slightly better than the AM. A bit longer chainstays, steeper seat tube and 64 head tube. I liked the TR but didn’t feel very stable on the fast descents (compared to the AM and now the SX). My opinion
How does it compare to the Meta TR ? You said it doesn’t roll as well as the AM but what about the TR similar ? Love the spec of this bike by the way great choices
The SX makes me feel a lot more confident at high speeds than the TR. Which is one of the main reasons why I switched over to it. Especially when bike park season comes around
What would you rate a better bike between this or the firebird 29 ? Which is more playful and easier to throw around? Firebird is much lighter but doesn’t have the 27.5 rear. Just tossing up between the 2 bikes myself would like your thoughts. Thanks
I haven’t ridden the newly redesigned Firebird yet. I have the opportunity to take one out for a spin but I hesitate because I’m afraid I might like it better. But compared to the 2019 FB I had, I would keep my Meta SX. Yes it’s 1.5 lbs heavier but I find the mullet setup to be more agile and more fun.
I have been watching your channel for a while and I believe you used to have a 2018 AM v4.2? How would you compare it to the v4.2? I have a 2019 AM v4.2 in medium and am thinking of replacing with an SX frame build in size small. The SX in small is bigger in nearly every dimension than my medium v4.2, and the medium v4.2 fits me about perfect (I'm 5'8"). For me I believe the new AM is just to long in front and too short in rear, but the SX looks perfect on paper. Thanks!
It’s completely different. The 2018 AM was an awesome bike and I also had the 2020 (29er). The SX would be a nice upgrade in my opinion. Faster and more controlled. I thought the same as you and thought about getting a small SX or AM but don’t do it. The medium for your height would be a good fit. Doesn’t seem like it on paper but trust me.
I'm also 5'9'' and can't decide on going for the medium or small. Do you feel like you could go for the small frame if you had tighter trails? I'm also concerned with the stand over. Do you have enough room there?
@@MILTONATOR I crashed in the stupidest way. I was feeling way too cool and confident with the bike. I was way over my head felling like a pro in public. Came at a berm on flat side and not the wall front wheel slid washed out and landed right on my shoulder not crazy hard but in a way that my collarbone snapped in the middle.
11 months later.... How do you like it? Im eyeing up the Team build with the black friday deal of 4410 USD and im pretty conflicted on if i should go for it or not.
I needed up trading it for a Ripmo v2 in May (5 months in) Not because I didn’t like the bike but because I crashed and realized I needed to tone down my riding a bit. The SX is such a fast and stable bike. And if speed and PR’s is what you’re after, this is the one
@@MILTONATOR Thanks for the fast reply man! Im 19 and im starting to get noticebly faster in my riding (local dh prs and such). Currently ive got a Salsa Horsethief (120r 140f) and I really feel like im pushing that smaller rear shock to its limits. I really feel like the Commencals are a good pick for me since they are heavy duty aluminum frames and really agressive geo. I just dont really know what else is out there in terms of bikes of similar travel. (Also, is that Greer? From SD)
@@henryojeda2890 yea man. Greer and Vail Lake in Temecula (near SD) Sounds like Commencal is the right fit for you. The geo seemed a bit too aggressive for me (on paper) but soon as I got on it, pedaled up and came down… it felt amazing! Spot on geometry. I tell people that this bike can get you hurt LoL! Makes you believe you can charge down faster you’re probably capable of. Good luck man. If you buy it, come on back and let me know what you think.
@@MILTONATOR I just settled on the Fezzari La Sal Peak elite build. It ultimately came down to price. As I said im 19 so i dont really make a lot of money and the value in the elite build for what I was looking for is absolutely insane! DH rated carbon frame, Zeb ult & Super deluxe ult , Full GX, Flow mk4 rims, and Code RSC stoppers all for 4100$. The commencal was cheaper initially but, shipping was about 100 bucks less for the Fezarri so it leveled out. Thanks for the help though , really appreciate it. :)
Great video, thanks. Which frame size you have and what you recommend for someone of 1.73m hight? I'm concerned about the long reach. Online commencal states size s up top 1.70 but i've ready alot saying "Meta one size smaller"?
That’s a tough one. I’m 5’ 9” (178 I think) and the medium fits me well. The other thing to consider is the 78 seat tube angle. When seated, it moves you closer to the cockpit, so even a long reach feels not so long (when seated)
@@darcysanderson4920 honestly, if I were 5’ 10” I would personally still go with the medium. The medium feels spot on for me. At 5’ 10” you might feel the reach a little short when seated because the steep seat tube angle pushes you forward, but when standing up (and descending) it’s perfect
I’ve not owned an Sb150 but I did demo it a while back. The sb150 is a super cool enduro bike and it being carbon, makes it lighter in weight, easier to climb and get up in the air. One big benefit of the mullet is the butt clearance when going down the steeps.
@@MILTONATOR Thanks. Currently I got a SB130lr, but need something more "enduro" without going too big. In 2018/19 I had a Megatower. I guess has been my best enduro so far. But right now I can choose between a Sb150 and a Meta SX.
Bro I’m almost 5’11 and got to demo a medium and it felt great. Actually it was the best bike I’ve ever hit jumps on. It’s so playful and poppy and not at all too small. I also have a large Remedy and a Large V2 Ripmo, and hands down was perfectly happy on the Medium SX. The large is enormous, closer to The new Firebird’s numbers. I’d probably throw a 50mm stem on just to compensate for the shorter reach. This bike doesn’t pedal as efficiently as my Ripmo, but descending, jumps and drops are so much easier than anything else I’ve ever ridden.
Just except it brother you're a commencal guy why you tolerate and waste money on other bike brands that give nothing but headaches. Commencal is the real business its why I've stuck with them all these years.
FedEx delayed my high polished Meta SX. It was supposed to show up today 01/04, but it got pushed to Thursday. After riding my 2021 Meta AM for a year, I can't wait to see how the Meta SX compares. I will have to do a review too. I also got my frame from SpokeX. They rock.
Definitely do a review and comparison! Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on it. Good stuff on working with SpokeX to get it
Be very glad to check our your experience going from an AM to the SX when you post it!
How do they compare?
I love the Mullet. Running the 2022 Santa Cruz Bronson. I couldn’t do the full 29er because I love the playfulness of the 27.5 but I do like the bigger tire up front.
…and that 27.5 provides a nice clearance 🍑 out back 😆
Dude, I've been watching your channel impatiently for this 2nd edition about your META SX! So excited to see you getting a video out there before anyone else on this bike. Love your reviews and calm demeanor; it's a joy to listen to your perspective. I'm planning a trip to Colorado in May to rent this bike and see if it's for me. I'm the last person on earth to still be riding a 26" Yeti (since 2012) and this bike will surely open my eyes to a new world...I would like to see another video of this bike with you talking about addressing the flip-chip adjustment in the low position and how it rides differently, and include hard braking in those positions and standing climbing. I don't always sit to climb, so climbing feedback is way different than seated which you cover aptly here.
Thanks for the compliment, man! I will be riding it in the low setting this coming weekend (I’m curious myself). I’m lazy 😅so don’t really climb unseated but will keep that in mind as well as the hard braking 🤙🤙
The run on enduro and tmb are soooo clean. "Sounds" so plushhh. Great vid as always!
Thanks man! Love how loud the quietness is 😌 #plush #onyxvesper
Nice review, the fact that you are fricking fast gives your words even more authority!
Thanks man! 👊👊
I have a Champagne SX frame hopefully coming in the next few weeks and will be having SpokeX build it up. Will be putting on a factory 38 and float X2. I’m so stoked to try it out and see how it compares to my TR signature.
Been feeling like the TR just isn’t quite enough bike, so I’m hoping this thing will hit the sweet spot👌
Congratulations Brian! Good stuff working with SpokeX 🙌 I’m sure it’s gonna hit the sweet spot. Would be cool to hear back from you, your thoughts on it, once you get it
Brian, how is the SX?
Great review. Still barely any reviews online for this bike. Thanks.
Thanks!
That's one beastly trail, kudos for the riding
Thanks man
Great video mate helped me a lot knowing the bike!
Awesome! Thanks
Sick review. Cheers.
Thanks man 👊
Another great video my man . Would be great to see you in the Big Mountains in Europe.
Thanks man!
Congrats dude! That bike looks awesome! 🤙
Thanks man! 🤙🤙
I just ordered a large frame I’m so hyped
Heck yeah man! Congrats 👊👊
Built my meta SX over Christmas loving it, coming from a privateer 161, a lot more fun to ride, and as you said corner. Experimenting with a megneg at the mo. Keep up the good work 👍
Congrats man! And thanks
You didn't like the privateer 161?
Forgot to tell you good job on the vid. Also would be nice to see a vid or mention on that TRP drive chain, likes, dislikes how it compares to sram/shimano. Keep up the good work.
Thanks! For sure on reviewing the TR 12 drivetrain in a few months.
That bike is sick dude
Thanks man
Nice! .... In my eyes some modern bikes have a too low buttom bracket. My nomad v4 has unbelieveable 332mm in low setting. Pedaling is dangerous in some situations. I find 345mm would be perfect .
Thanks! CommencalUSA provides BB drop but not height measurement, so I’m not sure how it compares. But I would agree. Didn’t/haven’t pedaled strike once
The TR has the lowest BB out of the AM, SX and TR. Which is why I got the the TR.
But keep in mind that the SX has more travel, hence it will sit lower in SAG (the TR will still be a bit lower still)
Tempted by the AM as my next bike, as a friend has one and swears by it. But i do lots of trail riding and wouldnt want it to make those boring or be painful on the climbs. My current bike is 16kg and can climb OK but is a struggle sometimes
If you could borrow your friend’s AM and ride it, that’d be best before buying. Thanks for stopping by 🤙
if you need to buy large or xlarge go with the new sx, AM is quite unbalanced for those sizes
Awesome stuff 👌🏼
Thanks man
can't wait to make it back down to SoCal... that one time i was out at Wilson, the rain dumped on us! 😅
Haha! Yea man and hopefully I won’t be injured and be able to ride with you
@@MILTONATOR will hit you up again next time i make it down there. Please do the same if you come up north! :)
amazing bike check cortitos de burritos 🔥
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That's a sexy beast of a bike. Looks like a bike park slayer.
Thanks man! Perfect for Northstar 🤙
If you're getting an mixed wheel bike climbing/pedaling speed will be slower, no question. But most people, myself included, bought a mixed wheel bike for a 2nd fun bike...not as a do it all. I think of it as a long travel 27.5 bike with an upgraded front wheel 😉
It is slower, but it accelerates faster. If you lose momentum it's easier to spin a 27.5 wheel than a 29. Both have their pros and cons.
Hey MILTONATOR, I see you have quite rocky trails out there. I'm curious do you feel like smaller wheel on the back hangs up a bit more on bumps? If you compare it to AM or TR do you see it as a sacrifice in terms of suspension comfort on the back? Thank you.
Not at all man. Personally the only somewhat, noticeable trade out is speed. A full 29er rolls faster. But I done feel like I’ve made any sacrifices going SX (mullet). Going on 5 months and still prefer it over the TR and AM. It’s like a blend of both actually
@@MILTONATOR Thank you for the response! Btw, as I recall correctly you planned to switch from TR to AM, but then you went with SX. What made you switch your mind? Did you have a test ride on SX or it's because of AM frames availability you end up trying out SX?
@@edtsech SpokeX is a local bike shop that’s an authorized Commencal dealer. I walked in planning on ordering the AM but they had the medium SX frame on hand. Looked over the geo and pulled the trigger.
I would love to try a mullet bike on the BME trails in Glorieta NM. The climbs would be death but glorious. 😎🤘🏻
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What's your opinion on fox x2 so far? I'm building my sx and trying to decide what shock to go with. My last bike was a yt jeffsy, and a coil transformed that bike due to the progressivity of the frame. People seem to say the AM29 is suited to air because it's more linear at bottom out, but I know they reworked the kinematic for sx, so im not sure how useful that is for me.
Was hesitant to get the X2 because it’s got more settings than I was used to and slightly heavier than the Float X, which is what I wanted. But I threw on the X2 performance on my TR and dialed it based on a Jeff Kendall-Weed video and it made the shock feel super plush while at the same time poppy. Sold! Went out and got this one, X2 factory. Still only messing with LSC and LSR and soon will learn how to dial in the HSC HSR
Hello, nice review.
What size frame did you go for and how tall are you?
If between sizes would you sell up or down?
Thanks! 5’ 9” Medium fits me just right
Great review bro, I'm thinking to get a new bike and I'm between the SX or the TR , the SX it's possible to put a 29rear ? If yes I need to change some link? Thanks man
Thanks man. The sx wont fit a 29 out back. There’s a crossbar preventing it. In my opinion, the SX is an awesome bike. A big bike for big hits. If you’re all about speed and chunk, the SX is the one. If you’re more about poppy, playful, climbing, the TR is the one. The TR can take big hits too, just not as stable when speed picks up
Looks like you found your ride for 2022, looking forward to seeing you at Vailocity this year. We still need to ride Aliso and Laguna, when you want to test that new ride on "Telonics", send me a message.
Definitely my ride for 2022! Telonics is on my list before the end of month. See you on the trails John
I'm really enjoying your reviews and am considering on getting the sx.
Do you a have any recommendations for sizing? I'm riding the Meta Ht in XL at the moment at a height of 190cm which feels good for me.
Do you think both bikes a comparable in regards to the frame size?
Thanks for the content and cheers from Germany ✌️😉
Thanks. Personally, I’ve come to trust Commencal’s sizing chart as it’s worked for me every single time (I’ve owned 5 Metas in the past 7 yrs) my recommendation is to preferably demo one but if you can’t, follow the sizing chart. All the best my friend ✌️
@@MILTONATOR thanks for the reply. Yeah I guess I'm not gonna overthink it. Following the sizing chart has worked for the Meta Ht as well. Cheers mate!
How does it compare to the Firebird on climbs? What would you highlight as pros/cons vs Firebird?
Awesome build. Keep up the great content. What trail are you riding around the 1 minute mark? Looks fun.
Thanks man! Break right 🤙
Thanks for the video! What is the height of your bars and how many spacers are you running under them? I just got one meta sx and I feel that the bars run too low
Hm interesting cause the Same is With my Clash😅 i thouhgt ITS because the smaller weel. I Change Mine from the Stock 27mm rise to 38mm rise from Title ( using 3 spacers)
This looks like such a cool bike! Great review. At 6'2" I feel like I'm right between L and XL. Don't suppose you've measured BB hieght or standover? Two data points Commencal doesn't provide.
Thanks and sorry, I haven’t measured.
Sick riding! Cool terrain, where are you located?
Thanks! Southern California- Temecula area
@@MILTONATOR Ik this is super late but what trail at the beggining???
@@lance7762 all good. The trail is called Double-D at the local here in Murrieta California
I remember you had Capra at some point , how does it compare to Commencal? Thanks
I did. I had the 2020 Capra and there can’t comment on the 2021/22 because they changed the geo. But, my Capra was the most plush bike I’ve owned to date. Loved it on the descents. But that was its weakness on the climbs and when boosting out of corners and on the straightaways. Which is why I sold it.
That trail looked super fun. What's it called if you don't mind?
The first one is Breakright and the last one is TMBDH 🤙
thanks for the review, what is the weight of your build out?
It’s 37lbs. The coil fork adds nearly an additional 1 lbs.
@@MILTONATOR wow, she's a beast, probably good on the downhills though :)
Update. The 37 lbs came from my bathroom scale 😅 But I just left the bike shop and using their scale, the bike weighs 34.5 lbs - Not bad
@@MILTONATOR Ok, thanks for the update! that makes sense, more inline with what they list on the website. 35lb, still no featherweight though lol.
How does it compare to the TR when riding very rough tech such as on a dh run? I have a TR that I love and it’s super capable in the bike park but I want some more travel and something that can plow a little better.
The SX is noticeably more composed down the rough.
I just ordered the SX signature and it will be my “all in one” if you will, im 6’4 and went with the XL, riding style is similar to yours with the occasional long ride to substitute beating up my knees on runs. last time i was on a bike it was 26” wheels with avid juicy 7 so its been a while. you mention the TR climbs noticeably better but the SX isnt noticeably worse, little confusing, can you maybe help me get a better understanding. based on geo Id run the TR in low setting and the SX in high setting, seems like you have a lot of experience with these and would value your opinion. thanks
Thanks. And I’m doing exactly what you stated- high setting on the SX. Tried the low and found that’s better suited for bike park/shuttle runs. The climbing on the SX isn’t bad at all. In fact, I find it more efficient than the AM, and I’m thinking that’s probably what I meant to say vs comparing it to the TR. Congrats on the future bike 🤘
@@MILTONATOR right on! thanks for the reply!
I have just broken my 2020 meta am frame.
So commencal offered to replace it with a 2022 SX frame. But as a all mountain guide I'm a bit hesitant. I'm sure it's a beast on the downhill. But I'm afraid its going to be horrible on the climbs. I'm thinking about asking for a Tr frame. What is your experience about the climbing compared to the 2020 AM? I do very steep climbs and I wasn't always happy with the climbing on the AM
It’s been my experience so far that the SX (flip chip in high setting) climbs slightly better than the AM. A bit longer chainstays, steeper seat tube and 64 head tube. I liked the TR but didn’t feel very stable on the fast descents (compared to the AM and now the SX). My opinion
@@MILTONATOR thank you! It's a honest review and I found it very useful. I might go for the SX then.
How does it compare to the Meta TR ? You said it doesn’t roll as well as the AM but what about the TR similar ? Love the spec of this bike by the way great choices
The SX makes me feel a lot more confident at high speeds than the TR. Which is one of the main reasons why I switched over to it. Especially when bike park season comes around
What would you rate a better bike between this or the firebird 29 ? Which is more playful and easier to throw around? Firebird is much lighter but doesn’t have the 27.5 rear. Just tossing up between the 2 bikes myself would like your thoughts. Thanks
I haven’t ridden the newly redesigned Firebird yet. I have the opportunity to take one out for a spin but I hesitate because I’m afraid I might like it better. But compared to the 2019 FB I had, I would keep my Meta SX. Yes it’s 1.5 lbs heavier but I find the mullet setup to be more agile and more fun.
I have been watching your channel for a while and I believe you used to have a 2018 AM v4.2? How would you compare it to the v4.2? I have a 2019 AM v4.2 in medium and am thinking of replacing with an SX frame build in size small. The SX in small is bigger in nearly every dimension than my medium v4.2, and the medium v4.2 fits me about perfect (I'm 5'8"). For me I believe the new AM is just to long in front and too short in rear, but the SX looks perfect on paper. Thanks!
It’s completely different. The 2018 AM was an awesome bike and I also had the 2020 (29er). The SX would be a nice upgrade in my opinion. Faster and more controlled. I thought the same as you and thought about getting a small SX or AM but don’t do it. The medium for your height would be a good fit. Doesn’t seem like it on paper but trust me.
I'm also 5'9'' and can't decide on going for the medium or small. Do you feel like you could go for the small frame if you had tighter trails?
I'm also concerned with the stand over. Do you have enough room there?
I personally wouldn’t recommend small for 5’ 9” the Medium is really spot on. And plenty stand over room.
I'd go medium bro.
Man Commencal just keeps getting better. How does the SX compare to the bikes you rode in 2021?
Yeah they do. I really liked my Pivot but this one takes up a notch. Probably because Commencal bikes have always been good to me
@@MILTONATOR that’s awesome. I like how they took their time to adopt the stretched out geometry.
@@westsidemtb3210 exactly!
Hello I’m getting ready to order this bike absolutely sick I love the mullet. I’m 5’9” what size should I get M or L?
Medium for sure. That’d be my recommendation. I’m 5’ 9” and the medium fit me perfect
@@MILTONATOR I crashed in the stupidest way. I was feeling way too cool and confident with the bike. I was way over my head felling like a pro in public. Came at a berm on flat side and not the wall front wheel slid washed out and landed right on my shoulder not crazy hard but in a way that my collarbone snapped in the middle.
@@albaniansk8er ouch! Yea man, I’ve been there.
Hello , comparing the SX with the capra whichone climb and roll on flats better? Thanks bro
In my experience, the SX will climb more efficiently than the Capra
@@MILTONATOR I'm 1,83cm which size do u think will fit me better? Thanks again
@@rodolforubio1824 if you can’t demo one before buying, I would say go with Commencal’s sizing chart
11 months later.... How do you like it? Im eyeing up the Team build with the black friday deal of 4410 USD and im pretty conflicted on if i should go for it or not.
I needed up trading it for a Ripmo v2 in May (5 months in) Not because I didn’t like the bike but because I crashed and realized I needed to tone down my riding a bit. The SX is such a fast and stable bike. And if speed and PR’s is what you’re after, this is the one
@@MILTONATOR Thanks for the fast reply man! Im 19 and im starting to get noticebly faster in my riding (local dh prs and such). Currently ive got a Salsa Horsethief (120r 140f) and I really feel like im pushing that smaller rear shock to its limits. I really feel like the Commencals are a good pick for me since they are heavy duty aluminum frames and really agressive geo. I just dont really know what else is out there in terms of bikes of similar travel. (Also, is that Greer? From SD)
@@henryojeda2890 yea man. Greer and Vail Lake in Temecula (near SD) Sounds like Commencal is the right fit for you. The geo seemed a bit too aggressive for me (on paper) but soon as I got on it, pedaled up and came down… it felt amazing! Spot on geometry. I tell people that this bike can get you hurt LoL! Makes you believe you can charge down faster you’re probably capable of. Good luck man. If you buy it, come on back and let me know what you think.
@@MILTONATOR I just settled on the Fezzari La Sal Peak elite build. It ultimately came down to price. As I said im 19 so i dont really make a lot of money and the value in the elite build for what I was looking for is absolutely insane! DH rated carbon frame, Zeb ult & Super deluxe ult , Full GX, Flow mk4 rims, and Code RSC stoppers all for 4100$. The commencal was cheaper initially but, shipping was about 100 bucks less for the Fezarri so it leveled out. Thanks for the help though , really appreciate it. :)
Meta are very good weapon viejon .. saludos bro
Feliz Año brother! Yes they are. Glad to be back
Can you do another long term review?
I’m planning on a short term review 😅 Two months in.
Hi nice video , would like to ask what size you have and how tall you are
Size Medium, I’m 5’ 9”
Great video, thanks.
Which frame size you have and what you recommend for someone of 1.73m hight?
I'm concerned about the long reach.
Online commencal states size s up top 1.70 but i've ready alot saying "Meta one size smaller"?
That’s a tough one. I’m 5’ 9” (178 I think) and the medium fits me well. The other thing to consider is the 78 seat tube angle. When seated, it moves you closer to the cockpit, so even a long reach feels not so long (when seated)
Hi, im same hight as you. What size of bike you pick?
Hi, how are you? How is the internal wiringof the Sx, silent? Greetings fron Chile.
Very silent. I go over this on my SX bike check video
any idea on running this as a full 27.5 would be viable? would love to buy this thing if so
Yea, no, sorry can’t help you there
Good👍
What size the bike please?
Medium
The question is how long will you have this one for. Haha. Wanted to know your height and frame size you went with?
The answer is 1 year. 5’ 9” Medium
@@MILTONATOR I’m just about 5” 10” do u think I would get away with a large? And how does the size of the bike feel on u?
@@darcysanderson4920 honestly, if I were 5’ 10” I would personally still go with the medium. The medium feels spot on for me. At 5’ 10” you might feel the reach a little short when seated because the steep seat tube angle pushes you forward, but when standing up (and descending) it’s perfect
@@MILTONATOR ye I probably will just that I’m still growing just not sure how much lol
Would you put DVO on it or do you like Fox better?
I'm liking the Marzochi Z1 coil fork that I have on now. But between and Fox 36/38 or DVO Onyx, I would go with DVO.
@@MILTONATOR Thank you for the info! Love your videos!
@@mattdickey2454 thanks Matt 🤙
What region / trail system is this? Assuming cali?
Yessir. Southern Cali
is the airshock better that then coil?
I personally can’t say. I’ve not run a coil on it. But I prefer air.
what is your height and the size of the frame?
5’ foot 9 inches, medium
Is It possibe to put a 29 in the back too?
No, it’s not possible.
How do you compare it to the Yeti SB150?
I’ve not owned an Sb150 but I did demo it a while back. The sb150 is a super cool enduro bike and it being carbon, makes it lighter in weight, easier to climb and get up in the air. One big benefit of the mullet is the butt clearance when going down the steeps.
@@MILTONATOR Thanks. Currently I got a SB130lr, but need something more "enduro" without going too big. In 2018/19 I had a Megatower. I guess has been my best enduro so far. But right now I can choose between a Sb150 and a Meta SX.
@@EsbenHauerbach fyi- I just weighed my bike at the shop and it’s 34.5 lbs.
Any idea on the weight?
Yeah. It’s a custom build with carbon wheels but also a coil fork (close to 1lbs heavier than air fork) my bike comes in at 37 lbs
So frustrating. This seems like the perfect bike for me, yet at 180 I'm exactly between sizes. Such a shame.
Bro I’m almost 5’11 and got to demo a medium and it felt great. Actually it was the best bike I’ve ever hit jumps on. It’s so playful and poppy and not at all too small. I also have a large Remedy and a Large V2 Ripmo, and hands down was perfectly happy on the Medium SX. The large is enormous, closer to The new Firebird’s numbers. I’d probably throw a 50mm stem on just to compensate for the shorter reach.
This bike doesn’t pedal as efficiently as my Ripmo, but descending, jumps and drops are so much easier than anything else I’ve ever ridden.
@@sebastiangracki7686 thanks
Bro that stem looks short short
It is. Got a crazy good deal on it. Soon to swap for a 40mm
quick
Just except it brother you're a commencal guy why you tolerate and waste money on other bike brands that give nothing but headaches. Commencal is the real business its why I've stuck with them all these years.
Haha! You’re not wrong, bro. Feeling like the prodigal son 😂🤘👊
And you betrayed Commenc again for the Santa...
I’m a bad man 🫣
Sooo thats how you say it lol
😂