Great to see this again. It has been over 30 years. I am 61+ and I started Judo and then Shotokan Karate when I was 13 at the YMCA, way back when people made fun of any of the Arts, now it's every where you look BUT not the Do/the way, it's about the dollar
I recommend to every karate practioner to read "My way". I finished it today and I'm impressed by this humble and dedicated person. So single minded on his way to perfection... May he rest in peace! Thank you for this upload! Oss...
Totally agree. What amazes me is that this video has only 18,199 views. Thats shows me just how many of the millions out there that practice have no desire to learn our history of this great sport.
I don't think it is a genuine lack of interest, but more of a blind trust in the master you got in front of you. Many people don't even know that there are several styles of karaté!
such an honour to witness this film, i hope that the spirit of Shotokan karate carries on being passed on to all who walk into its dojos to learn the true meaning demonstrated here in this footage, thank you for uploading, absolutely amazing
Interesting to see how the style has changed. The way Funakoshi demonstrates, with high stances and up-down movement, he would be called a beginner today. So all the Shotokan principles of day are really new inventions...
The ties between late Kung Fu (before the purges/displacements) and early Karate (before the simplifications/standardizations into specific lineages such as Shotokan, UechiRyu, Kyokushin) are clearly visible here. The bridge between styles is a unique combination of Shorinji-Kempo (i.e. Shaolin Kung Fu as referred to by the Japanese) and the primitive local Okinawan hand-to-hand combat styles. I really appreciate gems like these and Mifune's Essence of Judo to help me put the pieces together.
This is really awesome man! It's great that we see the work of an extraordinary martial arts legend to be filmed and later shown to the rest of the world. Thanks!
Born 1868 , passed 1957, he would have been about 56 when this was filmed. Funakoshi's karate linnage goes back to the days of Sokan Matsumura. Okinawa is a very small place, so everyone knew everyone else.There were marriages between the famalies and sometimes family squabbles. There's famous story surrounding Funakoshi's visit in 1922 sports exhibition. Motobu, who was a bit of trouble maker but who could also be charming, made a comment about Karate being superior to what he was seeing in the exhibition. The story goes that a judo ka challanged Funakoshi and that Funakoshi put him down with one punch. That it wasn't done to hurt, or with malice was likely the beginning of Funakoshi's friendship with Kano.
If only my students were as dedicated as these, i.e. actually taking the time to clean their dojo. I guess I'm talking in the sense of "the good old days" we wouldn't be allowed to leave until the dojo was spotless (back when I was a young karateka)
Great video, the music just about drove me to commit hari kari. It's amazing how things have changed. Sometimes I think we've improve so much and sometimes I think we can learn a lot from these pioneers.
Not 1924 at all. Karate-do in this footage is written as "way of empty hand (空手道)" which was changed from Chinese hand (唐手) in 1929. Gichin's stances are not how he showed in first 2 books published in 1922 or 1925, which also suggests that this footage is after those books were published. Furthermore, this footage shows "Keio Gijuku Karate Study Group (慶応義塾空手研究会) @ 12:39", which was established in February 1932, but later renamed as "Physical Education Association Karate Club (体育会空手部) @ 8:14 and 10:42" on October 15th,1932. Therefore, this footage was made after 1929. It's a great video footage nonetheless.
None of this is 1924. Maybe 1934. Yoshitaka Funakoshi was not teaching until 1932--in 1924 he was 14 years old and in Okinawa. Nakayama Sensei can be seen in one or two scenes and he started training in 1931. Otsuka Sensei does not appear which suggests he has already formed Wadoryu which would make this 1935. Kimura Sensei is performing Nijushiho in a form not adopted until at least 1934. The stances --especially the back stances in Jion, jitte and Enpi suggest a time around the publication karate do Kyohan. in 1935 or 36. Reply ·
Also, Meikyo, Nijushiho, and Bassai Sho are shown in this. And I think Waka Sensei (Gigo) learned/adapted those kata from Mabuni a bit later. It is interesting that yoko geri keage are in the kata but that manji uke is still being done from a gyaku zenkutsu dachi. These films are really time capsules even if (all|most) of them are from later than 1924.
I don't know about the footage but you know lot of wrong things about o sensei Gichin Funakoshi. Read at least the Wikipedia about him! He was born in 1868 and went in heaven in 1957. In 1911 - 1912 the Shotokan style was already in place since several demonstrations were done for the Imperial Japanese army. In 1921 he performed even in front of the Emperor! So the 1924 footage is really possible.
@@danielbodea5199 Nobody has ever suggested that the Shotokan style was in place in 1911. Gigo was one year old. Do you know anything about his influence on Master Funakoshi's teachings between 1934 and his death in 1945? Compare the first book Rentan Goshin Ryukyu Kenpo: Karate with the last edition of Karate Do Kyohan. Also if you spend fifty years in Shotokan Karate, live through the breakup of the JKA, the formation of the Kanazawa group, spend countless hours with Nakayama Sensei and his students, and a few other things, you might find that you know a little more than a Wikipedia article. Also in Shotokan we never call Master Funakoshi O Sensei--never.
@@ckhthdMy bad! I misread that the age of Gichin was 14 at the time of 1924! Apologies! Now, since I'm not a Shotokan person I may call Gichin Funakoshi with the apelativ of O-Sensei. Is just a matter of huge admiration! You understand a lot form Shotokan and its history (for sure much more than myself!) but even me I was able to observe (mostly from outside) this fighting style and better understand this huge creation and he geniality of its creator. From my point of view, Gichin Funakoshi if wasn't a god was very close to them (along Morihei Ueshiba, Jigoro Kano and maybe Chojun Miyagi). I don't really know the masters you speak about but I guess they were contestants of JKA style which even me I noticed since long time ago that is far, far away form what initial style (which I'd be really interested to study, even now in my 50s). Take care!
@@ckhthd cut the BS. There is nothing wrong with calling him O-Sensei. I drop the sensei altogether when I talk about him. It is a very personal thing how you wanna call him! pff
Number 17 of the '20 Precepts of Karate' by Gichin Funakoshi - Beginners must master low stance and posture, natural body positions are for the advanced. Funakoshi was most certainly advanced.
As the video said "Shokan" was a name made up by a school to distinguish themselves from other styles coming into mainland. It is still Okinawan born and bred through and through. As with everything things evolve, but the basics still for the most part have not.
It is called a shiho or "line" form, where the kata is collapsed on a line. He just moves from one segment of kata to another for demonstration purposes. Shito ryu still does some shiho forms-- look up shiho kosokun shitoryu on youtube
Since you have practiced Judo and Shotokan,would you say that in Shotokan there is a decent amount of grappling that can be learned? I ask because I often hear people sat this about Shotokan.
They Practice Gi and No Gi, now I have proof that in the summer we should be able to practice not only in Tee Shirts but also shorts and thongs. People sexulize too much , for them it was only practice in the shorts of their day because it was hot. Nobody made a big deal of it, we should lean from them.
Gordon Cooper some kata use muscle tension as part of the training. Sanchin is probably the most eell known, and in some schools is frequently practiced bare chested so the instructors can make sure the student is using the correct muscle movements
What was the Flag at 10:34, its not the Japanese Flag is it specific to Ok Okinawa??? Also these should have patented the Thong. They were ahead of their time in Fashion.
I know homosexuality when I see it and whoever filmed this was clearly trying to show some aesthetic nonsense about the male human anatomy! I see absolutely NO need to train in one's undergaments. Why isn't Master Funakoshi dressed in such a manner? Is he immature? And as for my 'maturity', I would MUCH rather be childish, sheepish, and immature than a homosexual!
Sorry to burst your bubble, but studies show that most cases of homophobia stem from a deeply repressed homosexual desire. This would fit in with your dislike of education, because studies *also* show that educated people are more tolerant, which would, in turn, force you to accept your homosexual urges. Granted, I know almost nothing about you, but I would highly recommend some therapy and/or higher education. I mean really, why hate people?
Choki Motobu thought that Funakoshi and his garden karate were a bunch of nonsense! I now understand why! When he heard that Funakoshi had been awarded a 5th dan, he reportedly said something to the effect of, "well I guess that makes me a 10th dan!" I'm sure Funakoshi was a fine martial artist, but this is nonsense what the students are doing in the video. This is not true karate! This is artistic and spiritual nonsense! A bunch of 'sukiyaki' to quote Sonny Chiba!
Great to see this again. It has been over 30 years. I am 61+ and I started Judo and then Shotokan Karate when I was 13 at the YMCA, way back when people made fun of any of the Arts, now it's every where you look BUT not the Do/the way, it's about the dollar
I recommend to every karate practioner to read "My way". I finished it today and I'm impressed by this humble and dedicated person. So single minded on his way to perfection... May he rest in peace!
Thank you for this upload! Oss...
Totally agree. What amazes me is that this video has only 18,199 views. Thats shows me just how many of the millions out there that practice have no desire to learn our history of this great sport.
I don't think it is a genuine lack of interest, but more of a blind trust in the master you got in front of you. Many people don't even know that there are several styles of karaté!
such an honour to witness this film, i hope that the spirit of Shotokan karate carries on being passed on to all who walk into its dojos to learn the true meaning demonstrated here in this footage, thank you for uploading, absolutely amazing
This footage is amazing. So proud to be a student of Karate-do.
Interesting to see how the style has changed. The way Funakoshi demonstrates, with high stances and up-down movement, he would be called a beginner today.
So all the Shotokan principles of day are really new inventions...
The worst thing is, these new inventions are being taught as ancient and immutable! and then they dare tell you that the bunkai got lost!
The ties between late Kung Fu (before the purges/displacements) and early Karate (before the simplifications/standardizations into specific lineages such as Shotokan, UechiRyu, Kyokushin) are clearly visible here. The bridge between styles is a unique combination of Shorinji-Kempo (i.e. Shaolin Kung Fu as referred to by the Japanese) and the primitive local Okinawan hand-to-hand combat styles. I really appreciate gems like these and Mifune's Essence of Judo to help me put the pieces together.
How is te "primitive"? What was gained by dropping the Bubishi, te-gumi and the weapons taught in Okinawa and Fukien?
This is really awesome man! It's great that we see the work of an extraordinary martial arts legend to be filmed and later shown to the rest of the world. Thanks!
It's great that we have this peace of History, even though the film quality is poor.
Born 1868 , passed 1957, he would have been about 56 when this was filmed. Funakoshi's karate linnage goes back to the days of Sokan Matsumura. Okinawa is a very small place, so everyone knew everyone else.There were marriages between the famalies and sometimes family squabbles.
There's famous story surrounding Funakoshi's visit in 1922 sports exhibition. Motobu, who was a bit of trouble maker but who could also be charming, made a comment about Karate being superior to what he was seeing in the exhibition. The story goes that a judo ka challanged Funakoshi and that Funakoshi put him down with one punch. That it wasn't done to hurt, or with malice was likely the beginning of Funakoshi's friendship with Kano.
If only my students were as dedicated as these, i.e. actually taking the time to clean their dojo. I guess I'm talking in the sense of "the good old days" we wouldn't be allowed to leave until the dojo was spotless (back when I was a young karateka)
Great video, the music just about drove me to commit hari kari. It's amazing how things have changed. Sometimes I think we've improve so much and sometimes I think we can learn a lot from these pioneers.
I just re-read Master Funakoshi's autobiography. This is great footage and I appreciate the narrative, thank you for posting.
This s wonderful classic footage. Thank you so much for sharing it!
Wonderful.
Not 1924 at all. Karate-do in this footage is written as "way of empty hand (空手道)" which was changed from Chinese hand (唐手) in 1929. Gichin's stances are not how he showed in first 2 books published in 1922 or 1925, which also suggests that this footage is after those books were published. Furthermore, this footage shows "Keio Gijuku Karate Study Group (慶応義塾空手研究会) @ 12:39", which was established in February 1932, but later renamed as "Physical Education Association Karate Club (体育会空手部) @ 8:14 and 10:42" on October 15th,1932. Therefore, this footage was made after 1929. It's a great video footage nonetheless.
As Takeo said, this film included kata with Yoshitaka Funakoshi, the son of Gichin.
Thank you, Souke Kanazawa. 🙇
おっす.
This is why I wish I went to school in Japan
Amazing Sensei Shotokan Legend Shorin-ryu and Shorei-ryu
None of this is 1924. Maybe 1934. Yoshitaka Funakoshi was not teaching until 1932--in 1924 he was 14 years old and in Okinawa. Nakayama Sensei can be seen in one or two scenes and he started training in 1931. Otsuka Sensei does not appear which suggests he has already formed Wadoryu which would make this 1935. Kimura Sensei is performing Nijushiho in a form not adopted until at least 1934. The stances --especially the back stances in Jion, jitte and Enpi suggest a time around the publication karate do Kyohan. in 1935 or 36.
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Also, Meikyo, Nijushiho, and Bassai Sho are shown in this. And I think Waka Sensei (Gigo) learned/adapted those kata from Mabuni a bit later. It is interesting that yoko geri keage are in the kata but that manji uke is still being done from a gyaku zenkutsu dachi. These films are really time capsules even if (all|most) of them are from later than 1924.
I don't know about the footage but you know lot of wrong things about o sensei Gichin Funakoshi. Read at least the Wikipedia about him!
He was born in 1868 and went in heaven in 1957. In 1911 - 1912 the Shotokan style was already in place since several demonstrations were done for the Imperial Japanese army. In 1921 he performed even in front of the Emperor! So the 1924 footage is really possible.
@@danielbodea5199 Nobody has ever suggested that the Shotokan style was in place in 1911. Gigo was one year old. Do you know anything about his influence on Master Funakoshi's teachings between 1934 and his death in 1945? Compare the first book Rentan Goshin Ryukyu Kenpo: Karate with the last edition of Karate Do Kyohan. Also if you spend fifty years in Shotokan Karate, live through the breakup of the JKA, the formation of the Kanazawa group, spend countless hours with Nakayama Sensei and his students, and a few other things, you might find that you know a little more than a Wikipedia article. Also in Shotokan we never call Master Funakoshi O Sensei--never.
@@ckhthdMy bad! I misread that the age of Gichin was 14 at the time of 1924! Apologies!
Now, since I'm not a Shotokan person I may call Gichin Funakoshi with the apelativ of O-Sensei. Is just a matter of huge admiration!
You understand a lot form Shotokan and its history (for sure much more than myself!) but even me I was able to observe (mostly from outside) this fighting style and better understand this huge creation and he geniality of its creator. From my point of view, Gichin Funakoshi if wasn't a god was very close to them (along Morihei Ueshiba, Jigoro Kano and maybe Chojun Miyagi).
I don't really know the masters you speak about but I guess they were contestants of JKA style which even me I noticed since long time ago that is far, far away form what initial style (which I'd be really interested to study, even now in my 50s).
Take care!
@@ckhthd cut the BS. There is nothing wrong with calling him O-Sensei. I drop the sensei altogether when I talk about him. It is a very personal thing how you wanna call him! pff
Number 17 of the '20 Precepts of Karate' by Gichin Funakoshi - Beginners must master low stance and posture, natural body positions are for the advanced. Funakoshi was most certainly advanced.
No.17 does not mention anything about low stance.
quite a treasure
As the video said "Shokan" was a name made up by a school to distinguish themselves from other styles coming into mainland. It is still Okinawan born and bred through and through. As with everything things evolve, but the basics still for the most part have not.
Great!
It is called a shiho or "line" form, where the kata is collapsed on a line. He just moves from one segment of kata to another for demonstration purposes. Shito ryu still does some shiho forms-- look up shiho kosokun shitoryu on youtube
todos los videos son ree lindossssss
y presios...
How many others at 56 look this good?
He was a Hanchi Di/ Lazy Boxer...
Since you have practiced Judo and Shotokan,would you say that in Shotokan there is a decent amount of grappling that can be learned? I ask because I often hear people sat this about Shotokan.
you can learn joint locks and throws in Shotokan, but only if your sensei know these. Many McDojo trainers don't know these, unfortunately.
They Practice Gi and No Gi, now I have proof that in the summer we should be able to practice not only in Tee Shirts but also shorts and thongs. People sexulize too much , for them it was only practice in the shorts of their day because it was hot. Nobody made a big deal of it, we should lean from them.
At ~17:45 I see a Matysek style back isolation muscle control texhnique. Is this usual in the kata?
Gordon Cooper some kata use muscle tension as part of the training.
Sanchin is probably the most eell known, and in some schools is frequently practiced bare chested so the instructors can make sure the student is using the correct muscle movements
Lui e' penoso...ma la pellicola e' assolutamente poetica
Can someone translate what is at 8:22? Is that the Dojo kun?
At the time of the video it would have been known as jutte
What's going on at 20:27? It starts Jion then warps into Gankaku :/
What was the Flag at 10:34, its not the Japanese Flag is it specific to Ok Okinawa??? Also these should have patented the Thong. They were ahead of their time in Fashion.
I suspect it's a university flag
Andrew Smallacombe Waseda University athletic association
What's the kata at 15:28 called?
Jitte
What was the reason behind training naked!
Unbearable humidity and not a single air conditioner in all of Japan
He is Funakoshi Sensei?
11:39 eso fue una ola?
You may be too young yet to know any better. Give yourself some time to mature.
I know homosexuality when I see it and whoever filmed this was clearly trying to show some aesthetic nonsense about the male human anatomy! I see absolutely NO need to train in one's undergaments. Why isn't Master Funakoshi dressed in such a manner? Is he immature? And as for my 'maturity', I would MUCH rather be childish, sheepish, and immature than a homosexual!
Quite pathetic really!!
Sorry to burst your bubble, but studies show that most cases of homophobia stem from a deeply repressed homosexual desire. This would fit in with your dislike of education, because studies *also* show that educated people are more tolerant, which would, in turn, force you to accept your homosexual urges. Granted, I know almost nothing about you, but I would highly recommend some therapy and/or higher education. I mean really, why hate people?
Choki Motobu thought that Funakoshi and his garden karate were a bunch of nonsense! I now understand why! When he heard that Funakoshi had been awarded a 5th dan, he reportedly said something to the effect of, "well I guess that makes me a 10th dan!" I'm sure Funakoshi was a fine martial artist, but this is nonsense what the students are doing in the video. This is not true karate! This is artistic and spiritual nonsense! A bunch of 'sukiyaki' to quote Sonny Chiba!