Rangefinder vs SLR - Which one is BETTER?
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- Rangefinder vs SLR 35mm film camera, which one is better? Today we will be taking a look at two different types of 35mm film cameras and even though they do the same thing they both provide two completely different shooting experiences. One feels more bare bones and the other may be good for people who prefer automation. Hope you guys enjoyed this video! Subscribe if you haven't already 50k giveaway is coming up!
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I just found a Canon AE-1 Program at the local thrift shop. I love it! Thank you for your videos, they have inspired me to shoot film in the first place!
Looking through the lens with an SLR instead of looking through a rangefinder patch is by far the biggest difference between the two. Anybody who composes their images very carefully is better off with an SLR. Because of parallax distortion the image taken through the lens can come out quite differently than what you see through the rangefinder. There is a certain amount of guessing involved. You have to know that and I think that's why an SLR is better for beginners. The smaller form factor is the biggest selling point of rangefinder cameras if you ask me. Not just the body. The lenses are also significantly smaller than SLR lenses. If you cary more than one lens with you that is were you start to feel the difference. I take my Contax G1 (yes, that is considered a rangefinder ;) ) with me a lot more than my SLR. There is no way to say which one is generally better than the other, though.
I honestly like slrs better but rangefinders have a certain luxury about them.
Pre-war Zeiss Ikon Contax over Leicas any day. Weighs 2 pounds, pure brass, last a lifetime (except the shutter ribbon-- breaks every 70 years) and very ergonomic
The BEST camera, between a Rangefinder and an SLR/DSLR is actually the one you're familiar with or know how to use and feel comfortable with. I once had 2 SLRs (film era) and a Rangefinder as back up for certain situations. I had to do a Christening. The pastor did not want to hear the click-clack sound (someone was audio-recording) so I used the more silent Rangefinder, which is also easier to carry since it is not as large as an SLR/DSLR. Actually, there was more to the story than merely the "sound." The pastor was severely reprimanded since the church had no such policies in place and that pastor had not objected to SLRs during other Christenings.
@@winstonli8081 I'm a Leica fan boy but I must admit that the Zeiss Ikon Contax is an absolutely amazing camera. I wouldn't say that they are better than leica though, they are just for different people. I'm a leica guy and I will be the first person to admit our cameras are a bit overpriced and over hyped, however I pay for the insane amount of things available for the camera. However for those trying to get a like new camera and spend under $1,000 usd the Zeiss Ikon Contax is an amazing choice, being the fact that for the price they are probably the best second only to the admittedly over priced Leica's.
However its all personal preferance to be honest, if you got some good film and some good glass thats all that really maters. Other than that who cares if I got a Leica lol, I use aftermarket lenses anyway.
How about mirrorless?
@@vimal-cliobconsulting Rangefinders are mirrorless 😇
Thanks for this video! I used SLRs for years and then started to use different rangefinders which I am really enjoying. Great to have this side by side comparison, don’t think I would have been able to explain things as clearly as you did!
Been looking for rangefinder vs SLR everywhere but still haven't found answer until I stumbled upon your video.
I made up my mind, now I'm going for SLR. Thank you 😁
1:46 Ranchfinders
I use a Ricoh 500G (rangefinder), and I love the "point and shoot" feel that it gives. It has most of the characteristics you indicated for the rangefinder, but it is a fixed lens. And I paid it 20 $ on a flea market.
i just got one of these! can i ask what battery solution you went with?
@@caramelcoffees It requires 1,3v batteries, so the best solutions are:
- Zinc Air hearing aid batteries (1,35v)
- an adapter with a smaller battery, like this: www.smallbattery.company.org.uk/sbc_mr44_adapter.htm
Don't use regular 1.5v ones, it would cause metering errors.
@@philippegervaise4857 thanks for your reply! have put the camera through extensive restoration and should be ready for a test roll now. I'll be going with the zinc batteries as you said as they're so cheap. fingers crossed the meter works! :)
Love my F3. Been thinking about getting a Nikon S2 or S3. But for now I am SLRs all the way. Love your videos JP. SALAMAT PO!
Hey man I just wanna say thanks for getting me into film, just today shot off my first 2 rolls of film at a car show and had the most fun shooting in a long time 😊
Just hope they come out alright😅
Rangefinders were the “Point and Shoot” camera’s for the masses back in the 50’s, 60’s, 70’s...they weren’t that technologically advanced compared to the SLR manufacturers of the day. Now, there is no doubt that Leica elevated their profile with high end, luxury products, Rangefinders. But Canon, Nikon, Minolta, Olympus, Ricoh etc Rangerfinders we’re not necessarily more expensive compared to their respective contemporaries of the day. SLRs had many more options based on the buyers budget. Just my 2 Cents.
Yeah, I don't see how rangefinders are really that much more expensive as long as you're not buying Leica. I see Canon rangefinders in vintage stores the same price or even cheaper than SLRs
@@nightsbeatswitchgood canon rangefinders generally were just okay. Leicas are just an all round lovely experience.
TheKiwiJobes Absolutely. But I don’t think you necessarily need a Leica to have a good experience with rangefinders. I think that’s common knowledge though. Especially nowadays with cell phones, the classic line, “the best camera is the one you have with you”!
I don't think it's correct to say Leica elevated their profile because Leica basically built the first real 35mm rangefinder (and what we would call a typical rangefinder nowadays) ever. The Leica predates all 35mm SLRs as we now them today. So rangefinders were high end devices from the very beginning. Other than SLRs, the rangerfinder thechnology was barely enhanced over the years (Leica introduced TTL-metering as late as 1980). But I wouldn't say that other than Leicas rangefinders in general were cheap cameras for the masses. The Nikon S for example is also quite reputable (and still by no means cheap).
@@NJ1810 Yep. For example, what's the Leica M (or any other rangefinder) equivalent of Nikon F100 or F5? Except Contax G2, I'm not aware of any RF which provides plenty of modern automation like SLR does.
I started with a rangefinder years ago(30 something years ago). I didnt know much about photography and it was a struggle SLR certainly improved the experience. However what I realized is there is a different between a point n shoot and a real rangefinder. since getting back into film Ive noticed a decent rangefinder I still am able to see what I need to for composure.
This is a thoughtful video man. I appreciate it. However in the end, a camera is a tool to take make art. I think a really cool thing to do would be to show to make identical photos with both cameras with the same focal length and same film stock. This will show ppl the differences in lens character as the most and prove that they both eventually do the same thing.
After 3 years of experimenting myself. I’ve come to realize that i need to have both for myself. For portraits and precision framing i llike having a dslr, for street, speed and simple shooting I’ll always go with a rangefinder (especially for zoning) so yeah, they pretty much make the same kinda photos. Its the way the photo is made that differs.
Keep up the great work buddy
i remember watching this video half a year ago when i was doing research for my first manual film camera after a reto ultra wide and slim u and many other people reviewing and talking about it really helped me figure put the canon f1 was the camera for me thank you.
I picked up a Mamiya ruby for £5 and that started my journey... Absorlutely loved it. The range finding patch is mislinded verticly but never failed to take a acceptable focused shot.
Wow, that intro was really engaging!
Man I can’t afford a Leica LENS HOOD lol.
buy a camera secondhand from a thriftstore or craigslist. i bought mine for 25 euros from Facebook marketplace
@@wokolie8813 you.. bought a Leica online for €25? That's unbelievably lucky!
@@gavinarcher875 right, a shutter speed dial is $50 lol
Just picked up the Minolta srt-200, and I'm super happy with it.
srt 101 its my fav 😭 but so expensive
Nicee!! I love this content!! Thank you King Jvpes!!
As always great video. The F3 is an amazing 35mm SLR. Cheers from Maryland!
I just got a Vitomatic 2a rangefinder for Christmas,my first ever experience with film photography,love it so far!
I love your choices to compare. Those are the very best of both worlds! I love both of those bodies.
Just got my first rangefinder! I’m excited to try street photography because it seems way easier to pre-focus without the viewfinder and click off a shot or many rapid fire shots without anyone noticing.
im super thankful for your channel because it helps me a lot since im a beginner. i just bought a minolta srt-101 and i love it so much! thank you for inspiring and helping us! :>
yeah i love srt 101 😍
I don't know if you can still be in the Minolta Gang, you recomended 4 cameras before the Minolta.... you traitor 😉
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lmao that was the right on my thoughts tho
just bought my first film camera, a Minolta SRT 201, in the shop getting some work done but I'm looking forward to shooting with it when I pick it up.
I like both & both have their place.
For "start-up" SLR is the way to go as you directly "see what you get" but you can get cheap rangefinders to try too... eg old Olympus XA.
Where rangefinders can excel is absolute optical quality on wide angle. For an SLR to get enough space behind the lens for the mirror means beam expanders being part of the lens "package" to get an adequate back focal length on short focal length lenses (complex & expensive) whereas the rangefinder only needs the space for the shutter so can get away with less complex lenses doing a much better job.
Grandpa gave me a Nikon fm2 from Galen Rowell, beat up, but still working👏🏽
this video might be answering my questions about SLRs. Thanks!!
As discussed by other contributors, the old Soviet rangefinder camera are a good way to get a Leica-like experience at lower cost. There are also some little gems like the Canon 7. There are many inexpensive fixed lens rangefinder cameras by Agfa, Canon, Konica, Minolta, Olympus, Petri, etc. that are worth trying as well. Some of these are absolutely lovely. Nevertheless, there is no shame in having a SLR, where there is the option of using premium lenses mounted on a cheap body, which could be upgraded to a premium body later. The main thing is, however, all of them use traditional photographic film, and thus provide that special creative experience which goes with the medium. It is good to see that there are many young people like King Jvpes keeping this craft alive, and inspiring others to do the same. Good video!
The early kievs are hidden gems in my opinion
That was so helpful thanks 🙏🏽
I love the idea of a rangefinder for street photography and such, but as I get older I have a harder time getting in focus, at least with the Canonette GIII I had. Every SLR I've had came with a split prism which I have a much easier time getting good results with.
I gotta love the F3 man. My first film camera. Still my go to film camer
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great video bro! love the comparison.
if I had to pick one over the other, i would go with rangefinders.
i dont know about everyone else, but i always found it a bit more difficult focusing slr cameras compared to focusing my rangefinder. to this day, i still have so many pictures shot on my slr where i miss the focus by just a tad, completely ruining a shot i otherwise would like. Compare to my rangefinder, where i might have one or two frames where the focus is off. regardless, thats just me. i wonder if anyone else also has this preference?
Wooooooo. Another vid! Dope as usual man. Cheers! Always makes my day :))))
Just picked up a voigtlander Vito b and a Nikon fm. Amazing cameras
Found a Mamiya Super Deluxe Rangefinder at the thrift store the past weekend. Still works beautifully. Ran through my first roll of film in twenty years. My only other film experience was 110 when I was 9 years old. 😅
There's an antique store near me with a box of film cameras for $20 and under, mainly agfa rangefinders and a couple Nikon slrs
Perfect explanation Bro! Awesome!
Lovely cameras. I own a F3 hp my favorite SLR and a M3 SS with a Summicron. Different brushes.
I took Photography class in my sophomore year of high school. And I fortunately got the chance to shoot and develop film, I loved it so much I was heartbroken when my teacher said he was no longer doing it. So eventually I forgot about it and moved on to digital. So thank you for awakening my love for film again!
Both are for different people, I'm a range finder fan boy. But I love the om-1. I use them in different situations. I think most people would agree however, if they needed one camera to last their entire life that didn't take up much space at all (SLR lenses compared to their range finder counterparts are Gigantic) a fully mechanical range finder would be the best option.
Never really got the hang of rangefinders so I’ve been a SLR guy forever. I did like the experience I had with a bessa though.
The light Ray's from mirrorless & rangefinder lenses go right to the sensor & allows for unique rear element designs... Aside from that I don't see what the difference is aside from price
Had to stop and really think am I a left eye shooter ? 😂📸
Great video, thank you very much, brother!
As someone who shoots Digital and analogue, i love my olympus 35 RC rangefinder. She's so small and light and silent and so damn sharp and always performing great. I just find myself using her so much more often as she's tiny and i always (!) Have her with me. Digital is for work, she's for fun. 200% Recommend.
I recommend the xg7.
Dirt cheap body and you can use the amazing minolta lenses
I dont think too much about such things but I feel like rangefinders focus faster, although in the era of digital it don't matter all so much. I'l pretty fast with SLRs though =p
I learned photography on a Yashica FX-3 manual SLR. I've accumulated manual SLRs, point-and-shoots, compacts, and digital cameras I've picked up over the years, but I always wanted to try a rangefinder because it is a different shooting experience. They are the traditional street camera because they are light-weight, simple, unobtrusive, and very quiet. There is no mirror slap with the associated vibration. It doesn't look like a journalist's professional camera, so it doesn't draw much attention, The lenses tend to be small and of a wide fixed length, but fast and sharp. You have to use your feet to compose a shot. It makes you think about your subjects in a different way. They also have a cool factor, as fewer people have a working one and they are usually more vintage and made out of metals with chrome rather than plastic. They are kind of like the vinyl records of cameras. They are back in fashion, so much so that modern digital versions are available. Today I won a 60's era Yashica Electro 35 GSN at auction. I've come full circle and I'm looking forward to that new photography experience again.
very informative, for me i prefer slr but rangefinder is always attractive 😬
Agfa made rangefinders as well! The Agfa Ambi Silette in particular was known as "the poor man's Leica" - I've got one and it's great. The only thing is that you can't attach a strap to it, and it's very, very heavy.
Still wanting to see a pentax mx video
On the cheaper side of the range-finder’s family : Canon Canonet QL17 Giii (with proper manual settings available), or my current favorite, the dirt cheap Yashica Electro 35 G serie (semi-auto, aperture priority only). Both with f 1/1.7 fixed fast lenses. Lots of fun for a small price.
I has a Pentax MX SLR, fully manual. Imo, range finder cameras aren't inherently more expensive. I think the companies that made both SLR's and range finders sould for roughly the same. Like Leica M vs R or Contax RTS vs G. The problem is that range finder cameras became niche products, and were typically a compact street photo aparat of a pro.
Yeah I did not take account of the glasses thing until I started shooting film on my slr lol. Its a little annoying but I make it work
Hey! Where do you find your wooden shutter bottom? They look awesome in your cameras!
just bought a minolta hi-matic 9 rangefinder and now im not quite sure if this is the best choice since i'm also new to film cams.
Hey Jvpes, can you tell me where I can buy a shutter button like that? I really like the look of them. I think they compliment the camera very well. I currently own a Nikon FM2
I have a Nikon F60 and a Vivitar V3000N but both of them had to be sent for servicing due to fungus.
I'm a beginner and wanted to get into film photography. Which one is the best one to start with?
im planning to buy a yashica electro 35 gsn for street photogprahy thanks for the info!
I have both, rangefinder and slr and enjoy them
I have both and Iprefer the SLR camera. But should what you can and get your hands on. The best camera is the one you have.
my two favourite cameras in one video :)
I’ve stumbled upon a canon AE-1 SLR & a Yashica Electro 35 Rangefinder online so I’m in such a struggle to pick which of the two to get
Great info as always. Never really understood the difference.
I was collecting the cameras of different Peter Parkers and I found out that in The Amazing Spider-Man franchise Andrew’s Peter uses Yashica Electro 35 GSN which is a rangefinder. I recommend that one with a fixed f/1.7 lens 48mm I suppose and with its ease of use (semi auto with aperture priority) and cheap price (should cost around 60-80 bucks) it is a good one as an introduction to rangefinders. I still use it especially at concerts because it is simple and lightweight and also compact. I still have an SLR for other things but Yashica Electro 35 is the one that I would carry casually
I am thinking if it's worth buying a Minolta Hi Matic F with 38mm 2.7 or a Revueflex ACX 50mm 1.9 or none of these two? What do you suggest?
:)
I have and like both.
Zorki 4k rangefinder with the Jupiter 8 50mm F2 which I enjoy using.
£50. Produces awesome results.
Look for vertical lines to help with focusing on a rangefinder cameras.
Nikon Fe with a 50mm f2 Nikkor lens. Bought for £100 with lens.
Leica is a good investment if you take out a mortgage.
I'm shooting with Petri7, a very cheap japaneese rangefinder. If you are happy with just onboard lense (which is good) and having fun with rangefinder workflow, that's it.
I was a Nikon guy in my 20s. Then I became a Sony guy and had the a6000s and the a7ii and a7iii. I abandoned them upon shooting a friends m6. I know have an m6 and m10 and am completely in love with Leica . I only use a 35 or 50 lens . Don’t ever see myself going back to slr.
Definitely an SLR guy.
Rangefinders like Leica do look nice and their haptics are awesome, but it never ‚clicked‘ for me (pardon the pun).
Give me a 35mm or medium format SLR any day and I am happy.
I shoot primarily Mamiya and Canon.
My solution: have both. And have more than one each type so that when one needs CLA you still have the other. Or have one more just in case. Maybe one more as a beater. And maybe one more to photograph your camera collection.
SLRs are like looking into another world. Rangefinders are just like looking out your window.
I remember the awesome first time experience of looking through the viewfinder of an SLR.
It got med hooked right there. Started saving up for my first camera, the Nikon F.
Nikon F was of course based on their own RF-camera - the SP and the heritage goes back to
Contax.
The next big wow came with the 28mm wide-angle.
So my suggestion to anyone who's trying to lure somebody into photography is:
Just lend him/her your film SLR with a 28mm.
Rangefinders are kind of a meh.. - first time, and more of an aquired taste.
(I have 3 RFs)
The only thing that can add is with a range finder camera you may not have a meter to begin with. Most slr's have some sort of adopt meter on up to a complex Matrix metering. Lastly, style of shooting with dictates what camera will be best used.
Ayyyeee Olympus om1 through 20 are my favvvv
nice upgrade on the Leica lens
I got into Film photography for the rangefinders but quickly realized that I hate them.
You mentioned that rangefinders are better for people with glasses but I completely disagree.
I struggle with the focusing and find it way easier to focus on SLRs, possibly because I usually shoot wide open, so it's easier for me to see if I'm out of focus or not since there is a very visible difference.
I do still love the look of rangefinders though and I'm eyeing a Minolta Hi matic on ebay right now 😊
Well it is easier to focus on an SLR, but still size and glass (in my opinion) is on the rangefinder side specially with the leicas, contax Zeiss. The Olympus 35 sp is a good choice also
The same differences could be applied to some medium format cameras. You've got both rangefinder and SLR model medium format cameras, plus you have the TLR. More options in medium format than 35mm. Hmmmm. Maybe a 35mm vs. 120 comparison video?
John Wilkinson let’s do it JDUB!
Great video my friend!
John Roberts thanks brotha!
Great video man! Does it ever bother you that when you’re looking through the rangefinder, you aren’t seeing the focal length of your lens? I fear that would drive me insane.
Michael Freeland you probably know how rangefinders work already but if you don’t, I’m the viewfinder there are frame lines that correspond to the focal length you’re shooting at, but I can still see how it’s kinda annoying to not know the focal length you’re shooting at.
Daniel yea I was really just referring to a lack of distortion say if you use a wider lens.
It’s just like asking today which is better mirrorless camera or DSLRs.
10 seconds in and already loving this
Thank you! :-)
This is a good summary about the advantages of Rangefinder vs SLR. Leica is known for its stream of important contributions to the advancement of photographic technology and its dedication to making the hightest quality, dependable, compact, lightweight cameras.
I would like to clarify that, essentially, for over HALF A CENTURY, 1900 to 1955, ALL cameras for the general public were NON-SLR; either fixed focus, TSLR (mostly for serious or professional photographers) or TLRs (Twin-Lens Reflex cameras, similar but not the same as SLR, mostly for professionals and relatively expensive). The first RANGEFINDER camera to be "mass-marketed" was the 3A Kodak Autographic Special of 1916 (...)". Although the Leica/Leitz company did a lot to innovate and perfect the rangefinder camera, that does NOT mean that, pre SLR, you could either buy a Leica or wait till 1955 to buy a SLR camera. In 1955, new Leica camera with a 55mm Leitz lens sold for about $240, or about $2350 in 2020 dollars.
Cameras made for the mass market (mainly, the Kodak Brownie camera) became available in 1900 and were mostly fixed focus or (starting around 1920-39) estimate focused. Rangefinder cameras began to show up in the 1930a. In general, TLRs have been around since the 19th century and are similar to SLRs, but we are discussing cameras for non-professionals.
For further information, search "rangefinder cameras," "Single-lens reflex cameras" and "History of the single-lens reflex camera" at en.wikipedia.org/. Those pages go into more detail about the details and relative advantages and disadvantages of the rangefinder, SLR, DSLR and other options. Ken Rockwell's website is, over all, the best guide to everything cameras that I have encountered: www.KenRockwell.com .
Rangefinder for Me 🥰
I own a Canonet 28 and it's amazing
David Piçarra picked one up a few weeks ago, having a lot of fun shooting with it but now I have film piled up waiting to get developed:)
Do you have a link for the strap on your Nikon man?
What’s the most you would pay for the Nikon F3 in great condition?
$300
What camera is the rangefinder
Hey KingJvpes, I just recently discovered your channel when I bought my Minolta X700 #minoltagang. I'm still learning how to manually focus on street. Totally different from my dslr. How do u accurately focus with the minolta x700 on street? I'm totally new to film photography
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In descending order,
1. Central split microprism if you have the light and time to pick your target.
2. Surrounding donut of microprisms to stop an area from shimmering (not inherently selective, you need to be picky).
3. Gauge the sufficiency of focus from the rest of the ground glass.
4. Zone focus.
If you are shooting “street”, you probably have a 35 or 28 mm lens. Stop down to f5.6 or f8 depending on the light and set your focus to get near and far limits at about 8 and 50 feet or whatever distances are appropriate (manual focus lenses are great because they are marked for this). Lots of stuff online and in photo books to cover this.
@@mikejankowski6321 Thanks for the great amount of info. Will definitely try this next week. Film camera and manual focus are very interesting and challenging. I appreciate your tips
I got a zeiss contaflex for about $110 it has a fixed lens but it works good
Always informative. Thanks man!
I generally always prefer an SLR except in the follow category -
Medium format cameras. A rangefinder model in that category is much smaller and lighter than a Hasselblad, for example, which is similar to a regular 35 mm SLR in all the ways which matter. But my old Mamiya 6 camera is very small and lightweight, and is also a rangefinder style camera. The parallax error bugs me, but not too much.
I honestly loved SLR so much in terms of looking at those quite nice bokeh produced by the lenses😂, but well i do have some rangefinder and they done a great job either way, so nothing is better out of another. Just, a difference in how would you use it and some ergonomics and designs stuff i guess..
P.S. Dude, don't forget the himatics! #minoltagang
Better? Depends... SLR's are _better_ for macro, micro and tele. RF's tend to work better for street. Nevertheless, you can turn a Leica into an SLR of sorts and do street photo with a Nikon. *Been there, done that.*
Damn I cant seem to find a nice F3 here in the Uk for under £300 :(
Neither is “better.” They are just different.
That's what my mother says about me and my brother
Not really, for landscape photography, the range finder is arguably better as you don't have that light passing so close to the film when you're not taking shots.
For pretty much every other form of photography, the rangefinder is inferior. The closer the shot, the less useful the viewfinder is. For macro, it's completely worthless as you won't see any of what you're taking a photo of through the viewfinder.
No slr is better
@@luisisaiasmontesrico9610oof that means she didn’t want to hurt your feelings. Your brother is definitely the better child. 😂
Thanks Karen.
I hate youtube vids that don't have dogs in them. Good job!
Hey Minolta Gang! I recently got a manual SLR while thrifting and can't for the life of me identify it and thought this might be a good place to pick people's brains! The brand sticker has been scratched off (the bit that eg says canon or Minolta) but the model is M-1. It has a tonika SD 28-70mm lens, which as far as I'm aware has mounts for Nikon, canon, Pentax, yashica and Minolta. However I can't seem to find an M-1 model by any of these guys. The camera body says made in Japan on it. Any help is greatly appreciated! 😊
Any recommendations for cheapish rangefinders, preferably with full manual control?
My "main" camera is a rangefinder style mirrorless and I'd kinda just want to learn the technology it came from without breaking the bank.
Zorki (esp. 4 and 4K) look really interesting plus there were a lot of affordable Japanese fixed lens cameras for reasonable prices. In MF it is a little tougher (easier to find affordable TLRs) but Mamiya Press models and some of the folders are fairly affordable but the folders can be a bit quirky.
@@mkshffr4936 Thanks a lot!
Depends. What am I shooting? Where?
Still waiting for the shop to call and tell me my grandpa's Minolta X-370n is fixed!