That was my very first thought. After just watching Sean's 30 hours of the recent God of War, the voice acting and visuals in this game seem very bad in comparison. Not terrible on its own, but it's a tough comparison.
@@SeanSeesAdventure People seem to think the acting is bad in some of these games, It's not. I think because the dialogue itself can be rough, along with the facial animations screwing up, it makes you feel the performance is less believable, but when you just listen to them talking, the acting is good. Hell, Jesse Buckley is an award winning actress.
@@Solar_Sounds Same, I think the writing or the direction, or both, are what is messing up the voice actors. Some of the lines are just badly written, and emphasis is put in weird places that I feel like you would have to be told to do, it wouldn't come naturally because it doesn't sound natural.
Yeah, it's obviously rushed and on a budget but the main problem for me are the eyes and head tilting, the actual facial animation could look good without the dead fish eyes and over exaggerated head movement.
@@jefftwentyone9620 The eye's are definitely one of the biggest issues. Usually the face tracking doesn't pick up eyes very well and they have to animate them separately from the motion data. It sorta looks like they just skipped that in this instance, but it really brings down the rest of the performance.
Fun fact, the title of the game "The devil in me" is actually part of the last words Holmes said before he was hung. “I was born with the devil in me. I could not help the fact that I was a murderer, no more than a poet can help the inspiration to sing.” -hh Holmes
I was laughing so hard tho when this crew that like, makes true crime documentaries for a living, gets a call from a shady sounding guy who offers to let them come visit his replica murder hotel as long as they come the same day, get in the car without seeing the driver, dont ask where exactly theyre going and turn over all of their phones and NO ONE QUESTIONED IT WHAT
They also don't question their own objective. Like they are literally going to a one way desolate island that has a hotel where a serial killer used to live. 🤣🤣
@@thejaded Everything is just weird if you look at it from their perspective (if they noticed). I’ve done indie film work and they only get one take for two different scenes and hurry themselves along. No wonder they seem to be having issues. Also I’m just baffled they question nothing. It’s a game, and you need victims and bodies and smart people or just perspective people would’ve caught all the early warning signs and ceased the plot. But still, they seem too oblivious, too trusting, too lax with everything. Those kind of characters in horror situations like these are so annoying and eye rolling.
If anyone’s curious H.H Holmes was a serial killer who near the end of his “career” built a large hotel that he designed himself. While the reports of complex traps and torture rooms are not confirmed it was made to confuse and discombobulate victims making them easier for him to kill.
This, as well as most of his victims being people who wouldn't be missed right away. IIRC, his choice victims were women who were in the city alone and looking for work/a husband.
@TheUnderscore_ they were not sadly. The expressions look silly all around from my knowledge (I literally discovered the game yesterday, and then decides after seeing it I'd tear through the wiki)
@@holliswilliams8426 I’ve never seen or heard of a video game that uses an actual real life serial killer as an antagonist. I’ve seen games that have used inspiration from real serial killers, but never the actual killers themselves.
@@dilanhos2499 HH Holmes was a PROLIFIC serial killer who turned his hotel/house into a dungeon of mass murder. there was trapped rooms, secret doors, and a whole lot of torture. he got the death penalty. the actual hotel was torn down in the 1930's though.
tbf I think a lot of his murdering was played up as a legend due to bad police work and h. h. holmes being a notorious liar. Also some of his reported first 27 "victims" were literally still alive and fine when he was on trial. but in this game's universe, it seems like he legit did kill almost 200 people. so in game we should definitely be scared of him lol
@@dilanhos2499 he also said the qoute in the game, “I was born with the devil in me. I could not help the fact that I was a murderer, no more than a poet can help the inspiration to sing."
25:27 the real reason he asked for his coffin to be buried really deep and covered in cement is much less menacing lmao. He just didn’t want anyone digging up his grave/desecrating his body or whatever, which is just a tiny bit hypocritical given how much grave robbing he did in his lifetime
Yeah to me it seems like supermassive games spend most of their budget on the graphics and facial animations but everything else about their games seem kinda low budget
So, I'm not the only one who thinks that the game looks worse than the previous ones? From the colors being washed out to the facial capture on every character that ISN'T the Curator being bad, to the animations being stiff and almost lifeless?
I just think "my sweet summer child, if only you KNEW the horrors he bestowed upon Chicago at the turn of the century". And the fact that he didn't catch the "snake oil ointment" dig either lol.
@@leighnicole100 Now I read 'Devil in the White City' but it was a long time ago. I do actually remember the snake oil thing, barely, but what was it about? What was it's purpose and why is it so significant?
@@HerTresTails nowadays, if something is referred to as "snake oil", it means it's a gimmick or fraudulent - something being sold as if it'll cure all these ailments, when it actually doesn't do anything or makes things WORSE. So i wonder if it's meant to allude to H.H. Holmes being a fraudulent hotel owner of sorts.
Spoiler alert, haven't with the whole video yet so I'm not sure if Jack finished it. But for the end of the game spoiler, the way that the bad guy pretty much survives a horrible incident makes me think that they put a little supernatural in it though. 🤔
The classic Supermassive Games straight-ahead stare whenever the characters are moving their heads is so funny. They are incredibly close to fully replicating human movement, but the eyes move so robotically haha
honestly holms seemed to be kinda perfect his eyes actually stayed fixed and were actually looking at people instead of moving all about and his body movement was great to. compared to the married couple who at times kind looked janky
These animations seem to fall low compared to The Quarry which actually had pretty good capturing the eyes, while still dead, werent as dead. These ones are... weird like their staring at nothing
As soon as I saw the building. I was like "that looks like that murder hotel" then saw it was during the world's fair and then H.H. Holmes comes up and I'm so extatic. Like a horror game that involves a notorious Serial Killer and his means of killing is an amazing concept for a horror game.
@@chrisdiokno5600 When you look into both Jack the Ripper and H.H Holmes they do have some similarities but they were both killing at the same time so there’s no way Holmes could be Jack the Ripper. Jack the Ripper only went after prostitutes and he cut them open and ripped out their reproductive organs. H.H Holmes killed anyone. Men, women, and children. I think a lot of people think they could be the same person because they might’ve looked similar and they both had medical experience but they definitely are not. They’re two completely different killers.
@@chrisdiokno5600 Well just because he was in England when the killings were happening doesn’t mean that he is Jack the Ripper. He could very well be but I personally don’t think he is
I knew Jeff and Marie were doomed to die (being opening scene characters in a horror video game) but damn it was hard to watch them die, they were such a cute couple 😭
Yeah, that was super messed, up... just waiting to see how everyone else dies now. Not to doubt Jack's skills as a gamer, but he did just say himself that he was probably going to get them all killed 😁
The fact that the Curator is present in every death scene is amazing.... he's the representation of death in the games.... that's why he only records and doesn't interfere
One of the best things from Until Dawn developers is that they literally always nail the young and foolish couple feeling and with the Quarry they nailed the cringy teens going camping vibe that old Friday the 13th films gave off
So do I. It'd be so much more unique and could actually have the real serial killer more involved. I guess it would bring up the issue of survival or his capture but it probably could be played about with, maybe have playable characters around the time he was caught and if he messed up and one in real life got away have that character there and unable to die or something. It'd more fun that way I think.
@@bethanbaker7066 Yeah, I agree. And I just think that, it's not always necessary or more fun if something is set in our modern day. Like, I get it. "What if titanic sank today?", or "What if Abraham Lincoln died in our time?", "What if this and that were set in 20XX?" But like, it's partly the fact that it didn't happen in our time that makes it fun. Playing a game set in the 1800s, where it was WAY easier to get away with murder as opposed to our modern detective technology, that's the excitement for us. We never experienced that time period, and a serial killer hotel, in the 1880s? That's what makes it more scary. We truly do get the feeling that this serial killer is almost divine. A serial killer hotel in the 1800s, with the limited technology they had back then? Moving walls, trap doors, death rooms? And the less advanced detective methods, where even if they caught him, he might JUST get away? A game! A game! And here we get a modern version of the story. Like yeah, duh. Obviously, with our modern technology there'll be moving walls, mm impressive (not.), oh and trap door? Yawn. Oh those are the death room over there? Where's the bathroom at? Listen, unless you can genuinely make it more interesting in the modern world, and take away our familiarity with it, there is no good reason to change the setting of the game over a lazy "What if?" They really should remake the game to be in the 1800s. Heck, just change the skins, if you're so lazy!
@@lonelyguyofficial8335 I feel like it would be a fascinating idea if you had to not only survive if the game was set in the 1800s but also collect evidence so in your endings it'll tell you who lived but also if you could help the police catch the killer or not and if not it could show you a different sort of ending with new victims or the killer just having disappeared. I also completely agree about the modern day thing being bland, I too understand why it might be interesting but I just think we do get too many modern games and also setting in in the 1800s could make it more realistic to how the serial killer works because I feel like in the end the police would have gotten suspicious about all the disappearances in the modern day.
It's insane to think a man actually designed a hotel like this, like something out of Saw or Hostel; the moving walls, gas chambers, traps, torture chambers, and even a body chute to the basement where he would dispose of the bodies. They did a truly amazing job on this game, maybe my favorite by far.
Fairly sure it's just a myth though, unfortunately or fortunately, it was just a normal hotel. Edit: (murders happened, but no complicated gas chambers and traps)
@@cathammer5283 It wasn't. He designed it specifically to murder and scam people. There was no moving walls though. Body chute was just a large laundry chute but he greased it.
@@cathammer5283 Yeah, he was still a sadist with the murders, but these designs were found in his blueprints. I dont imagine anyone would actually go forth and build this thing, but this game gives us a good idea of what it would have looked like if he had.
@@HydetheWitch Wrong again I'm afraid, none of this stuff was ever proven and the murders that were proven his, he had a link to the victims. No blueprints or anything, just exaggeration but still a cool thought
@@liamcoppock5187 Damn dude, wish I could say I'm surprised they would exaggerate it so, but as we've all seen from the recent Dahmer material being released, Anerica loves to do this dramatic *inside the mind of a serial killer* thing and make serial killers exciting.
So @15:47 I personally didn't realize this... but that's actually the curator! Apparently he shows up before a person dies in almost every possible death scene.
It will never not impress me how evry single DPA game will have the worst writing but will absolutely have one of the most interesting concept for a horror game LMAO
The model for the murder hotel is pretty bloody impressive. It hadn't even panned up past the ground floor and my brain screamed HH Holmes. Well played supermassive, well played indeed.
@@0xAAA i was going to be confused, but then i saw your other comments replying to people saying a bunch of dumb shit with the spelling of a 5 year old
im such a choir nerd - he piece that starts at 20:46 minutes is called Stabat Mater. it is a latin piece depicting mary's feelings upon seeing jesus on the cross. it refers to her sadness "stabat mater dolorosa, juxta crucem la crymosa" it's typically sang in an SA vocal arrangement and a string orchestra accompinament. i just wanted to share this info edit: spelling
So, Marie actually existed in real life. That dialogue between her and Jeff in the beginning is based off an actual couple. I remember it from the book "The Devil in the White City" by Erik Larson (fantastic book btw). They were genuinely that excited to be together, it's rough reading what happens to Marie. Even the fake flirting they do at the jewelry case is correct!
It really becomes that much more apparent at how much lower budget The Dark Pictures is compared to Supermassive Games' blockbuster projects when both of them come out in the same year. We go from the great facial capture and fine tuning them in post that we've seen in both Until Dawn and The Quarry and back to the robotically animated faces of uncanny valley samey beady eyes as the devs clearly cut corners by reusing base face model assets.
It wouldn't be as bad if they didnt exaggerate head movements so much to compensate (¡ ~ ¡) that mixed with the scene taking a bit to load every time the camera changes and the little bit of motion blur makes it very hard to look at these faces. I feel like they're doing it on purpose so you can't see how flat the facial animation actually is at times.
I was always under the impression that they were using the same actors as well. Thankfully I just shattered that illusion. Spot the model is a fun little game I like to play with these games though. And found it funny that Jack was laughing at that one guys face. Since it's one of said reused assets. I don't entirely understand why people can get so deterred by hairstyles and facial hair though.
Really? I thought the facial animations in The Quarry looked awful. Like, even worse than this in some places. Not sure how the studio slipped so much, because Until Dawn looked so much better.
I love how he can't even keep a straight face when mimicking the "totally struggling with a door" moans lmao Edit: Ma! MAAA! I told you I'd get somewhere for saying the ha ha's!
How was it not a red flag that someone has duplicated the murder castle based on Holmes's blueprints, and is bringing you there? AND now you don't have your phone...
@@clobzz tbh, if someone were to build a duplicate of the Freddy Fazbear's Pizzeria, I would totally go there and cross oceans to visit it, even if I get stuffed into an animatronic suit
I have this weird feeling that Charlie might be in on it. He agreed to the entire thing really fast, to a degree where even his own crew was wondering why he didn't ask more questions, the Curator kept talking about how far some people will go for their art and Kate was asking how DuMet even learned about the topic of their documentary.
I don't want to spoil anything for you if you are watching this for the first time. Depending on what ending Jack gets you will find out more about Charlie. If Jack gets the happy ending you won't really get any info on it tho
@@invalidusurper6795wait, actually? I’m pretty sure Holmes was trying to trick the crew into thinking Charlie was bad to turn them against each other. Was he in on it? I have only good the good ending
I haven't seen a comment on this , so in case people are wondering , the guy we see , at 15:45 in the mirror is the curator . In every game , he appears when there's a possibility of death ( cuz he is death if i remember correctly) so you can see him plenty of time in the game!
@@rangasibarbar8019he played it day by day, I think the videos were recorders two or three days in advance because he was responding to theories and comments in some of the more recent Ragnarok uploads :-)
Love the weird look of almost realisation on seans face when the guy said his name was holmes. Like he’s ALMOST there in figuring it out but it’s just at the edge of his memory
The fact that Jack said “death” for H.H. Holmes’ name without being aware of who he was… Also, this is so well done. Holmes is so creepy with the awkward stare and flatter attitude, but because the characters in Supermassive stare like that occasionally anyway, it makes you write it off if you don’t know about the real history. Fantastic. This particular killer also fits so well with the style of the games, so great choice on the dev’s part. So goofy at times though 😂
Guy: "This is an accurate recreation of the murderhouse that had a bunch of deadly traps in it. Don't explore alone, you might get hurt." People: Explore alone and get hurt.
I'm guessing you already know by now, but H.H.Holmes was a real life serial killer that actually built a hotel shortly before The World Fair in 1893 and the hotel was later called The Murder Castle 💀
@@brokenbond2012 Actually, experts deny that they were the same person. While the two WERE serial killers, they both had different motives. Jack went after poor women who were typically sex workers while Holmes killed because he was after money. Also, Jack started killing in 1888 while Holmes started killing in 1891. Jack the Ripper was also never caught.
Okay I only know this from watching Bernadette Banner videos but the costumes in this are FANTASTIC. The level of historical detail seems really good. Her shirt has all that delicate gathering and seaming, her hat and her hair seem accurate, and even the men's jackets seem in style for the time period with the thin lapels and high armscyes. This is so cool.
The woman’s skirt is not at all accurate though with no bustle. Instead of late Victorian it’s closer to early Edwardian. But I also appreciated that they at least tried to make the clothes accurate 😊
@@Emma17456 I dunno, I can find multiple sources from 1893, including photos and art from the World’s Fair itself where women are wearing similar, simple skirts without bustles. It may not have been high fashion for the time, but it seems accurate to what many women attending were wearing.
@@RubyBlueUwU actually you are right. My memory has failed me. I thought the bustle was in fashion further into the 1890’s but it seems that it was almost out of use by 1892. So the skirt in the game is pretty close to the fashion of 1893. I do apologise for my mistake
@@Emma17456 friendly reminder since i too am a fashion history nerd - bernadette banner and most other fashion history influencers tend to, among many other simplifications, focus on only wealthier people in their 20s. it was totally normal for bustles to be worn much later by older women simply because that's what was in fashion when they were younger(same way some women who were teens in the 40s/50s still wear stockings, garters, or girdles) and most support garments were optional (yes - including corsets!), especially those that were made of more costly materials like metal or whalebone. and nobody was ever throwing out their wardrobe with every passing year, so if you're thinking to yourself that something was either worn or not worn by a margin of only a decade - it may not have been vogue but still very much used! idk if there's a tone indicator for trying to politely geek out about something with a fellow nerd but imagine that here, im not trying to be a dick i swear :,>
At this point it feels intentiona 😆. I think might even be sorta realistic since not every day-to-day conversations are written by hollywood writters. But even then in some scenarios the writing makes no sense 💀
@@Shahamood-y9t The couple's dialogue in the beginning is definitely intentional. It's too "Stereotypical 1800's young couple" to be taken seriously. Everyone else varies. Chris is hard stereotyping, while Erin's and Mark's are pretty genuine. Something tells me each had a different writer, or the script writer took the common "write what you know" advice, and wrote the characters closest to themselves, while hamfisting the rest.
@@Neopolitan-tk8tu I didn't know "open sesame" was a thing in 1890. The writing for that part felt like it was trying to sound old but threw in more modern things because it just came off so wrong. Not saying I could do better but I have read a decent few classics ranging from the 1810s upwards so I've got an idea of how the dialogue comes across in that.
Jack at 44:30: looking at the anatomy of organs and proceeds to list your foot bones "hm yea you got the metatarsals.. the ribcage..." Made the bit even more funny 🤣
havent watched the whole series yet but i like the idea that the dev team went with by giving characters their own unique skill set intigrated into the game. It gives the player an incentive to try and keep the characters alive besides just wanting to keep them all alive and going "oh well" when they die.
Holmes would sell the skeletons of his victims to medical practices and the like. People would ask “hey uh where you getting all these skeletons?” And Holmes basically said “wouldn’t you like to know weather boy” and everyone just went along with it.
Person: Hey,uh…Henry? Where’re you getting all these skeletons from? H.H.Holmes:…Wouldn’t you like to know,Weather Boy? Person:…Yeah,I’ll take this one for $200.
Seán, talking about the lady moaning as she struggles to open the door: “It sounds horrible if you don’t see what’s happening on the screen.” Me, doing yoga and definitely not looking at the screen: Yeah… it does… Also, I just have to say I am suuuuper confused by the scene cuts in this game.
I used to be friends with a descendent of H.H. Holmes. He definitely has a knack for the uncanny- actually his whole mother's side does. Not muder-y, but very into the grotesque
I’m a descendant of Benedict Arnold. Greatest traitor to America. Normally I wouldn’t be proud of this, but seeing the state America is in these days…..maybe Benedict saw it coming lmao
Intellectual capacity isn’t earned it’s inherited. My uncle is a better guitar tuner than most digital tuners. My cousin is a nasty demolition expert. Not much left of a tiding lawnmower after only 7 lbs of tanerite. If i have any claim to skill, it’s tying fishing flies. That’s all about proportion and lots more I haven’t the mindset to elaborate on at the moment, but I’ve learned much in only two years, using bottom of the barrel materials.
@@chadmann2724 How is intellectual capacity related to that? People can have around the same intellectual capacity and have different hobbies or jobs. And also, inherited passion for same kind of things is real as far as I know. In a family with many children, there is at least one that have the same kind of intellectual capacity and desire for things as their parents descendents. Others might not share the same desire though.
Fun fact H.H. Holmes didn't actually have this massive hotel filled with spooky traps and different SAW like rooms. He did have a hotel, the World's Fair Hotel. He did have secret rooms and twisting hallways and secret doors BUT it's because he was a conman. And he would use those rooms to hide away his conned things. He would also steal from the guests that stayed in the hotel. BUT he very much was a serial killer and didn't kill a couple hundred people as the common belief tells but he did kill a handful. At least 3 and he's suspected to have done more. He was a conman, business man, and he wore many hats to blend in. He travelled all over the US. If you're interested, do look into his real history and what really happened because it's arguably a lot more interesting then this SAW style hotel. Actually now that I'm thinking about it... Maybe not as interesting as the SAW style hotel but it is fascinating and there's a lot to learn from his story. A lot of scary details and a lot of things people can learn from him and how to avoid people like him.
timestamp 26:07 says he confessed to 27, and is suspected to have done more than 200, other sites also back this up, what makes you think he "didnt kill a couple hundred people?"
@@samantha8320 Because there's no evidence for hundreds of people. There was only enough evidence to pin the murders of around 4 people and suspected to be a few others as well. It's an urban legend that he was a lot worse than he really was. I mean granted he's a horrible serial killer who's killed kids but he didn't kill hundreds. And this is a game which plays into that urban legend of the World's fair hotel.
starting this with Holmes and his murder hotel already got me more than probably anything in the previous games. maybe because it was real and familiar
currently laughing 'cause i didn't remember the beginning getting me this hard last time but no, it did and i already commented on it. gotta wonder what specifically gets me about it tho, since i can handle other horror of a similar palette without the same level of tension. idk if it's because of the ties to reality or if it's specificly to do with h.h.holmes
@@Inamichan It's definitely the ADHD. It's connected to so many other disorders, including auditory processing ones! I've researched my own ADHD quite a bit out of curiosity.
He probably mainly does it for himself, as someone who also struggles with ADHD, audio processing can be a bitch and subtitles really help. But I'm sure his viewers also play into the reason
I know the prologue characters always die in these but when it’s a couple who’s whole personality is their Marriage and their names are “Marie” and “Jeff” you know they aren’t long for this world
…..That, that’s literally the point of a honeymoon. To celebrate, the beginning of their marriage. I think it’s fair to say everybody’s “personality” is relatively the same on a honeymoon.
@@the_ghost_orchid not saying they can’t be happy about being married, the game just let us know a lot how happily together they were when the audience knows full well what’s coming to them. Like the idea is they are so on cloud 9 they don’t realize how weird the place is until it’s too late
@@squishyfishy6010 Plus given the times, they finally could have had a proper relationship and sex without feeling bad about it. Of course they were super sweet and excited!
my favorite thing about rewatching this with my mom is how anxious she got when Kate and Jamie went off on their own before they got to the hotel. like she couldn’t sit still because they were “taking too long!” and “what if he (du’met) comes back and they’re not there!” even though i tried to explain to her video game time and it was okay 😂
Right when the detective comes I was shocked. The fact that the couple can die multiple ways and that it is just the intro to the game, really shows how much time and detail went into this game
The ‘host’. Man, I get the feeling that his daughter was taken, used to make him lure the others there, then once he got to her he ran as fast as he could with her away
Honestly, I found it a little relieving, cause I didn't want to find out his daughter got merced and turned into a ghost story. He was definitely not there by choice, and I'm calling it now: that body in the premonition's probably his wife.
possible spoiler warning! - - - - - - - - - yeah my guess is the killer uses some of the last group to lure the new people there with the promise of escape. unfortunately, I saw another comment that saw the big number in the lobby, assumingly the death toll, went up by two after they "left"
While I do love games like this and really enjoy watching choose your own adventure stories, the fact that some of the facial models and dialogue are so awkward gets me every time😆
@@gilles466Umm- did you actually look into the insurance fraud or at least the one that got him caught. The guy literally planned to kill an entire family and almost succeeded.
@@jasperdrawings oh yeah true, i was just tryna make a small point that he wasn't exactly a full on serial killer that killed people using crazy contraptions, but he was indeed fucked in the head for murdering 3 kids and his partner in crime.
@@gilles466 I suggest watching American Ripper as well. Cause although being caught for Insuance Fraud ain't that cool (and not the first criminal to be caught for something "uncool" per say) it's something that deep dives into a theory of H.H. Holmes being Jack the Ripper himself and it's quite interesting IMO
Been away from this channel for a while. Hearing Jack's fast-paced voice and bombastic nature right away is like getting a warm hug from an old friend. So much nostalgia for this man it's insane.
I love how she just used her inhaler to stop an asthma attack and then not-fliss encourages her to drink alcohol and completely lies about how it tastes. Alcohol is a big trigger for my asthma and especially in a situation like this where I'd be surprised by it being nasty that's a really dangerous and stupid thing to do.
these games always look both incredible and uncanny at the same time. theres no doubting what they've achieved on a technical level. There are just some design... features we arent so sure about...
One issue I find glaring are the character models eyes at points. Some look and move really natural and others looks like their brain is on a loading screen.
I was so worried Jack wouldn't play this game since he wasn't a fan of the previous ones. So happy to see that he's given it a chance since this last one seems unique and more on the scarier side since it really happened.
honestly each game was better than the previous one. man of medan was horrible, little hope was better in terms of scares and characters but ended up with a meh conclusion, house of ashes delivered on the supernatural premise and genuinely had some good writing for characters (Jason and Salim) and the last one seems to have decent writing and good scares with a promising premise.
well, it's important to know a lot of the stuff they say holmes did in this is heavily fictionalised, as in real life, we don't think holmes killed the amount of people he claimed to have killed (he was only arrested for one murder, his business partner), and we're pretty sure the murder hotel thing never quite worked out the way holmes wanted it to, i believe because he couldn't pay back any of the workers. a lot of the stuff claimed about the murder hotel was exaggerated and dramatised by the tabloids at the time.
@@fluffy_magnus I like house of ashes the most of the 3 before this one quite an action forward and the departure from man of medan is basically a gas trip, little hope is basically all happening inside the mind of the bus driver but had a very interesting history with the witch trials and stuff and how it all linked in with how the family died inside the house but the house of ashes being real monsters that exist within that games universe makes it even more horrific
My first thought with that scene was 'They damn well better not pull a Norman Bates in this.' But that's exactly what they're gonna do, if that premonition is any indication.
I really didn't expect there to be a game about a murder. I've only heard the story of h.h.holmes but to be able to see it in a game is honestly so cool. Because of how crazy this case was.
5:48 Watching recognition spark in Seán's brain but it not FULLY kicking over as the antagonist describes his interests. I'm screaming. I'm so excited for when it fully clicks over. This is my bookmark to see how long it takes
H.H. Holmes, very real serial killer: GREAT facial capture
Jeff and Marie: absolutely messed up facial capture
I was just about the say the uncanny valley vacant eye look only looks good on Holmes
Fitting since he's a killer 😂
They really captured HH Holmes image. Wow
So glad I’m not the only person who was thinking this
I literally did research on this guy in my law education class
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It is insane how the facial animations go from pretty decent to absolutely goofy and or terrible in a span of a couple of minutes 🤣
DID YOU KNOW MARKS VOICE IS KERMET
nothing beats detroit
@@zeed8102 I was literally just comparing those 2 the other day. Lol. Agreed, Detroit looks borderline real
The facial animations were terrible from the start
@@Irish_Enderman agreed. Sometimes for split seconds they're okay. But most of the time they're awful lol.
After coming from God of War's incredible facial animations and voice actors, this game has nestled itself comfortably into the uncanny valley.
That was my very first thought. After just watching Sean's 30 hours of the recent God of War, the voice acting and visuals in this game seem very bad in comparison. Not terrible on its own, but it's a tough comparison.
@@SeanSeesAdventure People seem to think the acting is bad in some of these games, It's not. I think because the dialogue itself can be rough, along with the facial animations screwing up, it makes you feel the performance is less believable, but when you just listen to them talking, the acting is good. Hell, Jesse Buckley is an award winning actress.
@@Solar_Sounds Same, I think the writing or the direction, or both, are what is messing up the voice actors. Some of the lines are just badly written, and emphasis is put in weird places that I feel like you would have to be told to do, it wouldn't come naturally because it doesn't sound natural.
Yeah, it's obviously rushed and on a budget but the main problem for me are the eyes and head tilting, the actual facial animation could look good without the dead fish eyes and over exaggerated head movement.
@@jefftwentyone9620 The eye's are definitely one of the biggest issues. Usually the face tracking doesn't pick up eyes very well and they have to animate them separately from the motion data. It sorta looks like they just skipped that in this instance, but it really brings down the rest of the performance.
Fun fact, the title of the game "The devil in me" is actually part of the last words Holmes said before he was hung. “I was born with the devil in me. I could not help the fact that I was a murderer, no more than a poet can help the inspiration to sing.” -hh Holmes
Pretty sure they showed that in the game at the beginning too
That line was said in the game at 25:12 :) so they used it to connect them for what really happened!
This dialogue is in the game
''cool motive, still murder''
that line kinda goes hard
Sean: "I hate having those sounds in my ears!"
Also Sean: *proceeds to recreate said sounds in everyone else's ears*
Knowing the Internet they'll take that clip WAY out of context.
It's just like. Hated that thanks
This has been an uncomfortable and unnecessarily sexually-romantically charged episode.
It’s the ADD forgive him
I was laughing so hard tho when this crew that like, makes true crime documentaries for a living, gets a call from a shady sounding guy who offers to let them come visit his replica murder hotel as long as they come the same day, get in the car without seeing the driver, dont ask where exactly theyre going and turn over all of their phones and NO ONE QUESTIONED IT WHAT
Don’t forget watching your host BOOKING IT to the boat and taking the fuck off and your response is, “Huh, wonder why they’re in a hurry?” *drink*
@@Dioblox1 exactly! Theyre just like "all these red flags wont stop me, because Im colorblind!"
They also don't question their own objective. Like they are literally going to a one way desolate island that has a hotel where a serial killer used to live. 🤣🤣
@@thejaded Everything is just weird if you look at it from their perspective (if they noticed).
I’ve done indie film work and they only get one take for two different scenes and hurry themselves along. No wonder they seem to be having issues. Also I’m just baffled they question nothing. It’s a game, and you need victims and bodies and smart people or just perspective people would’ve caught all the early warning signs and ceased the plot. But still, they seem too oblivious, too trusting, too lax with everything. Those kind of characters in horror situations like these are so annoying and eye rolling.
The devs should really consider making comedy games instead, cause all these recent shit are goofy asf
If anyone’s curious H.H Holmes was a serial killer who near the end of his “career” built a large hotel that he designed himself. While the reports of complex traps and torture rooms are not confirmed it was made to confuse and discombobulate victims making them easier for him to kill.
This must've inspired American Horror Story Hotel
That's crazy. Imagine all the sea food you could be eating.... but you choose to use all that on a hotel to take people out one after another
This, as well as most of his victims being people who wouldn't be missed right away. IIRC, his choice victims were women who were in the city alone and looking for work/a husband.
i have a book that talks about the world fair, all the problems with building it, and a large section talks about this guy
@@ryzastoutgaming2279such a waste of good seafood😔
The way the husband didn’t even try to fight the man that just killed his wife, or save her even though she was still alive 😂
Man was only in it for the pillow fights.
I think he was just in shock tbh
I think it's the version of the game. I think he's playing the curator edition because there IS an option to confront him otherwise via QTE
@@CloudytheCartoonistWere the faces fixed in that version as well?
@TheUnderscore_ they were not sadly. The expressions look silly all around from my knowledge (I literally discovered the game yesterday, and then decides after seeing it I'd tear through the wiki)
This game is so interesting. The fact that they used an actual serial killer as a character in the prologue is pretty unique.
I’m probably the minority in this but I did wish for Sean to play bendy and the dark revival
...how is that unique?
Nope only for prologue, the killer in enitre game actually inspired by another killer that inspired by h h holmes
@@holliswilliams8426 I’ve never seen or heard of a video game that uses an actual real life serial killer as an antagonist. I’ve seen games that have used inspiration from real serial killers, but never the actual killers themselves.
@@saltysalt844 yeah, I didn’t watch the full video before commenting so that’s my bad lmao
The fact that this game hinted that some of the birds and maybe even the animals are mechanical (perhaps even have cameras in them) is terrifying.
I believe they're made in China.
Like real birds! /j
@@pinkpeppers5580 lol, true that
the birds work for the bourgeoisie
@@HopelessAnarchyCan’t believe there are still ppl who believe birds aren’t government drones /s
"was H. H. Holmes a real person" YES. dude, you have no idea how foooooocked these characters are 😂
@@dilanhos2499 HH Holmes was a PROLIFIC serial killer who turned his hotel/house into a dungeon of mass murder. there was trapped rooms, secret doors, and a whole lot of torture. he got the death penalty. the actual hotel was torn down in the 1930's though.
@@dilanhos2499 a real serial killer in amercia
tbf I think a lot of his murdering was played up as a legend due to bad police work and h. h. holmes being a notorious liar. Also some of his reported first 27 "victims" were literally still alive and fine when he was on trial. but in this game's universe, it seems like he legit did kill almost 200 people. so in game we should definitely be scared of him lol
@@glitchxmars7415 there’s a show called I was there and it explains everything
@@dilanhos2499 he also said the qoute in the game, “I was born with the devil in me. I could not help the fact that I was a murderer, no more than a poet can help the inspiration to sing."
25:27 the real reason he asked for his coffin to be buried really deep and covered in cement is much less menacing lmao. He just didn’t want anyone digging up his grave/desecrating his body or whatever, which is just a tiny bit hypocritical given how much grave robbing he did in his lifetime
21:15 "His facial capture is nuts!"
Congrats, Jack! You found where 99% of the budget went.
$0 on script-writing
Yeah to me it seems like supermassive games spend most of their budget on the graphics and facial animations but everything else about their games seem kinda low budget
So, I'm not the only one who thinks that the game looks worse than the previous ones? From the colors being washed out to the facial capture on every character that ISN'T the Curator being bad, to the animations being stiff and almost lifeless?
$0 on dialogue
@@SchwartzBruder30 it looks kind of like the Sims to be totally honest
The fact that sean has no idea about H. H. Holmes makes this so much better because he doesn’t know about the hotel
Yeah
U can see him thinking tho. Like huh- that name sounds familiar. Does it, Jack? DOES IT?
I just think "my sweet summer child, if only you KNEW the horrors he bestowed upon Chicago at the turn of the century". And the fact that he didn't catch the "snake oil ointment" dig either lol.
@@leighnicole100 Now I read 'Devil in the White City' but it was a long time ago. I do actually remember the snake oil thing, barely, but what was it about? What was it's purpose and why is it so significant?
@@HerTresTails nowadays, if something is referred to as "snake oil", it means it's a gimmick or fraudulent - something being sold as if it'll cure all these ailments, when it actually doesn't do anything or makes things WORSE. So i wonder if it's meant to allude to H.H. Holmes being a fraudulent hotel owner of sorts.
An actual serial killer as an antagonist makes this game so much more scary.
Edit : This is now my most liked comment ever, Thanks Boys 😊
I love that Jack doesn't know who H.H. Holmes was. It'll make the reveal all the more.... sweeter.
@@sophiepedigree7139 Indeed, you could say he'll be... pleased to find out.
@@sophiepedigree7139 I myself only found out he's a real serial killer from the comments tbh
well its a guy mimicking a serial killer
Spoiler alert, haven't with the whole video yet so I'm not sure if Jack finished it. But for the end of the game spoiler, the way that the bad guy pretty much survives a horrible incident makes me think that they put a little supernatural in it though. 🤔
i love that the curator recognises you - if you’ve played before he references it at the start. i got told off by him because everyone died 😂
The classic Supermassive Games straight-ahead stare whenever the characters are moving their heads is so funny. They are incredibly close to fully replicating human movement, but the eyes move so robotically haha
The character model’s faces always fall so far into the uncanny valley and it’s just as creepy every time
honestly holms seemed to be kinda perfect his eyes actually stayed fixed and were actually looking at people instead of moving all about and his body movement was great to. compared to the married couple who at times kind looked janky
Little Hope's facial animations seemed a lot better, it's weird that it seems to have gone backwards in quality.
These animations seem to fall low compared to The Quarry which actually had pretty good capturing the eyes, while still dead, werent as dead. These ones are... weird like their staring at nothing
Jeff is extremely smiley
As soon as I saw the building. I was like "that looks like that murder hotel" then saw it was during the world's fair and then H.H. Holmes comes up and I'm so extatic. Like a horror game that involves a notorious Serial Killer and his means of killing is an amazing concept for a horror game.
I know right? Also fun fact, H. H. Holmes, one of his descendants like, has a theory Holmes was also connected to Jack the Ripper
@@chrisdiokno5600 When you look into both Jack the Ripper and H.H Holmes they do have some similarities but they were both killing at the same time so there’s no way Holmes could be Jack the Ripper. Jack the Ripper only went after prostitutes and he cut them open and ripped out their reproductive organs. H.H Holmes killed anyone. Men, women, and children. I think a lot of people think they could be the same person because they might’ve looked similar and they both had medical experience but they definitely are not. They’re two completely different killers.
@@ainsleyhalley524 Well, Holmes descendant also noted Holmes went to England around the time of the Ripper murders
Right
@@chrisdiokno5600 Well just because he was in England when the killings were happening doesn’t mean that he is Jack the Ripper. He could very well be but I personally don’t think he is
"I am gonna get all of you killed and I apologize now."
Iconic.
Especially after watching him FAIL the very first heartbeat QTE... There's a ton of them in this game 😂
I definitely got everyone killed in my first playthrough; it's hard to keep them alive!
yup
Jack saying he hates those sounds then giving us a literal whimpering audio 5 seconds later is the funniest shit ever
I love that the entire budget of these games is used to make the curator look cool
no literally 💀
Fr, and he doesn’t even look cool either. He looks just as soulless and uncanny as everyone else in the game
As they should😌.
He is my favourite character 😂
- hot
- wears suits
- says the mosty cryptic shit
- personification of death
He meets all my criteria
I knew Jeff and Marie were doomed to die (being opening scene characters in a horror video game) but damn it was hard to watch them die, they were such a cute couple 😭
I know right?😭
Naw, I don't like them at all. I was hoping they weren't going to be the main characters
Eh, disagree. The overly excited to be alive newlyweds are always, my least favorite characters.
I knew it was coming, but I still felt bad for them.
Yeah, that was super messed, up... just waiting to see how everyone else dies now. Not to doubt Jack's skills as a gamer, but he did just say himself that he was probably going to get them all killed 😁
These games always have some of the most awkward dialogue and uncanny animations I've ever seen. Never disappoint 🤣
omg yess! I was looking for a comment like this 😂
Right?😂 I'm glad though bc it gives some comedic relief to the scariness lol😊
The animations and camera work are so dodgy with these games, doesn't really seem polished because they bring out so much of these
The first time you see Holmes the first thing I said was he is so cockeyed!
The Quarry had at least an okay camera work but this one just jumps into random angles it's kinda funny
The fact that the Curator is present in every death scene is amazing.... he's the representation of death in the games.... that's why he only records and doesn't interfere
One of the best things from Until Dawn developers is that they literally always nail the young and foolish couple feeling and with the Quarry they nailed the cringy teens going camping vibe that old Friday the 13th films gave off
Yeah, they know what theyre doing and its meant to be that way, thats the whole vibe its great
Sidin' with Jack here in wishing the whole game was set in the 1800s.
So do I. It'd be so much more unique and could actually have the real serial killer more involved. I guess it would bring up the issue of survival or his capture but it probably could be played about with, maybe have playable characters around the time he was caught and if he messed up and one in real life got away have that character there and unable to die or something. It'd more fun that way I think.
@@bethanbaker7066
Yeah, I agree.
And I just think that, it's not always necessary or more fun if something is set in our modern day.
Like, I get it. "What if titanic sank today?", or "What if Abraham Lincoln died in our time?", "What if this and that were set in 20XX?"
But like, it's partly the fact that it didn't happen in our time that makes it fun. Playing a game set in the 1800s, where it was WAY easier to get away with murder as opposed to our modern detective technology, that's the excitement for us.
We never experienced that time period, and a serial killer hotel, in the 1880s? That's what makes it more scary. We truly do get the feeling that this serial killer is almost divine.
A serial killer hotel in the 1800s, with the limited technology they had back then? Moving walls, trap doors, death rooms? And the less advanced detective methods, where even if they caught him, he might JUST get away?
A game! A game!
And here we get a modern version of the story. Like yeah, duh. Obviously, with our modern technology there'll be moving walls, mm impressive (not.), oh and trap door? Yawn. Oh those are the death room over there? Where's the bathroom at?
Listen, unless you can genuinely make it more interesting in the modern world, and take away our familiarity with it, there is no good reason to change the setting of the game over a lazy "What if?"
They really should remake the game to be in the 1800s. Heck, just change the skins, if you're so lazy!
@@lonelyguyofficial8335 I feel like it would be a fascinating idea if you had to not only survive if the game was set in the 1800s but also collect evidence so in your endings it'll tell you who lived but also if you could help the police catch the killer or not and if not it could show you a different sort of ending with new victims or the killer just having disappeared.
I also completely agree about the modern day thing being bland, I too understand why it might be interesting but I just think we do get too many modern games and also setting in in the 1800s could make it more realistic to how the serial killer works because I feel like in the end the police would have gotten suspicious about all the disappearances in the modern day.
@@bethanbaker7066
Oh man, yes. Multiple endings depending on you finding evidence.
Man, wish I'd seen it.
Ya they should make like an open world like how assassins creed does
It's insane to think a man actually designed a hotel like this, like something out of Saw or Hostel; the moving walls, gas chambers, traps, torture chambers, and even a body chute to the basement where he would dispose of the bodies. They did a truly amazing job on this game, maybe my favorite by far.
Fairly sure it's just a myth though, unfortunately or fortunately, it was just a normal hotel.
Edit: (murders happened, but no complicated gas chambers and traps)
@@cathammer5283 It wasn't. He designed it specifically to murder and scam people. There was no moving walls though. Body chute was just a large laundry chute but he greased it.
@@cathammer5283 Yeah, he was still a sadist with the murders, but these designs were found in his blueprints. I dont imagine anyone would actually go forth and build this thing, but this game gives us a good idea of what it would have looked like if he had.
@@HydetheWitch Wrong again I'm afraid, none of this stuff was ever proven and the murders that were proven his, he had a link to the victims. No blueprints or anything, just exaggeration but still a cool thought
@@liamcoppock5187 Damn dude, wish I could say I'm surprised they would exaggerate it so, but as we've all seen from the recent Dahmer material being released, Anerica loves to do this dramatic *inside the mind of a serial killer* thing and make serial killers exciting.
So @15:47 I personally didn't realize this... but that's actually the curator! Apparently he shows up before a person dies in almost every possible death scene.
Really!
I love him so much 😂 Hes so dramatic.
I have played most of these games and NEVER noticed that until these comments pointed it out lmao
Can you find them all?😮
It will never not impress me how evry single DPA game will have the worst writing but will absolutely have one of the most interesting concept for a horror game LMAO
I know lol!! It's like, "You can have great dialogue or a gripping plot, not both. Choose wisely."
Seriously they must be rolling in cash hire some better writers please
@@sandydog426 some of them be like "you can have a plot and a dialog, no refunds."
I actually like the dialogue and plot of this one so far. It's the voice actors acting like this is their first rodeo that gots me a bit cringed.
Quarry be like
"Never trust a man in a bowler hat"
A truer statement has never been said.
*sad Michael Yagoobian noises
@@passerbi1825 I had the same thought 😅
I just watched Meet the Robinsons last week 😂
@@cutethulu_xo I just wore a bowler hat last week 🙈😁
@@skoplpnews9450 well now you're a threat.
The model for the murder hotel is pretty bloody impressive. It hadn't even panned up past the ground floor and my brain screamed HH Holmes. Well played supermassive, well played indeed.
Indeed
"Bloody impressive " 💀
@@laren9559 Nothing wrong with that saying . Pretty good use of the word “bloody” tbh, considering the building
@@Owen01 cocaine
@@0xAAA i was going to be confused, but then i saw your other comments replying to people saying a bunch of dumb shit with the spelling of a 5 year old
im such a choir nerd - he piece that starts at 20:46 minutes is called Stabat Mater. it is a latin piece depicting mary's feelings upon seeing jesus on the cross. it refers to her sadness "stabat mater dolorosa, juxta crucem la crymosa" it's typically sang in an SA vocal arrangement and a string orchestra accompinament. i just wanted to share this info
edit: spelling
Good stuff! Thank you for sharing.
So, Marie actually existed in real life. That dialogue between her and Jeff in the beginning is based off an actual couple. I remember it from the book "The Devil in the White City" by Erik Larson (fantastic book btw). They were genuinely that excited to be together, it's rough reading what happens to Marie. Even the fake flirting they do at the jewelry case is correct!
That's sad I hope if there's a heaven they are happy there
The serial killer is based on a real person too
Wait
That’s lowkey sad
@@leviussystem4208 it is a real guy
It really becomes that much more apparent at how much lower budget The Dark Pictures is compared to Supermassive Games' blockbuster projects when both of them come out in the same year.
We go from the great facial capture and fine tuning them in post that we've seen in both Until Dawn and The Quarry and back to the robotically animated faces of uncanny valley samey beady eyes as the devs clearly cut corners by reusing base face model assets.
literally was just saying this lol
It wouldn't be as bad if they didnt exaggerate head movements so much to compensate
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that mixed with the scene taking a bit to load every time the camera changes and the little bit of motion blur makes it very hard to look at these faces. I feel like they're doing it on purpose so you can't see how flat the facial animation actually is at times.
I was always under the impression that they were using the same actors as well. Thankfully I just shattered that illusion.
Spot the model is a fun little game I like to play with these games though. And found it funny that Jack was laughing at that one guys face.
Since it's one of said reused assets. I don't entirely understand why people can get so deterred by hairstyles and facial hair though.
Really? I thought the facial animations in The Quarry looked awful. Like, even worse than this in some places.
Not sure how the studio slipped so much, because Until Dawn looked so much better.
@@itsmikedev yea, I was actively distracted by the facial animations in Quarry
I love how he can't even keep a straight face when mimicking the "totally struggling with a door" moans lmao
Edit: Ma! MAAA! I told you I'd get somewhere for saying the ha ha's!
I mean how can you 🤣
I can’t stop laughing
As a true crime junkie, I laughed so loudly when he asked why the name sounded familiar
How was it not a red flag that someone has duplicated the murder castle based on Holmes's blueprints, and is bringing you there? AND now you don't have your phone...
because someone so obsessed with a serial killer to the point of spending a fortune to recreate their murder castle is definitely trustworthy and safe
because it's free.
because its a horror plot, all common sense and logic in these characters is thrown out the window
@@clobzz tbh, if someone were to build a duplicate of the Freddy Fazbear's Pizzeria, I would totally go there and cross oceans to visit it, even if I get stuffed into an animatronic suit
the whole crew: “oh to see without my eyes”
I love that Jack (and his editor!) has accepted the inherent goofiness of these games and chooses to include some goofy edits and bits to match!
The goofiness of these games are why I love Supermassive Games so much. I never go into their games expecting greatness.
I nearly spat my drink out when Marie showed up on the side
I have this weird feeling that Charlie might be in on it. He agreed to the entire thing really fast, to a degree where even his own crew was wondering why he didn't ask more questions, the Curator kept talking about how far some people will go for their art and Kate was asking how DuMet even learned about the topic of their documentary.
I don't want to spoil anything for you if you are watching this for the first time. Depending on what ending Jack gets you will find out more about Charlie. If Jack gets the happy ending you won't really get any info on it tho
He was desperate but he never knew that he and his crew will die because of it.
I agree that MoistKritical is in on it. He was in the Hunger games after all.
@@DemBigOlEyes LMAO
@@invalidusurper6795wait, actually? I’m pretty sure Holmes was trying to trick the crew into thinking Charlie was bad to turn them against each other. Was he in on it? I have only good the good ending
Jack making fun of the British guy's accent is brilliant. Especially when Jack starts sounding like Alfie Solomons while talking about the sun lmao
I haven't seen a comment on this , so in case people are wondering , the guy we see , at 15:45 in the mirror is the curator . In every game , he appears when there's a possibility of death ( cuz he is death if i remember correctly) so you can see him plenty of time in the game!
Character: “I’m starting to thing I married a thrillseeker, ferris wheels, forbidden rooms.”
Sean:”BATH MILK!!!”
You know Jack's having fun when's he's banging out so many games at once good lord. I haven't even started Ragnarok yet💀
And also it is literally his job.
he got his own hand ragnarok and played it before it launched. probably weeks before.
He’s had time.
@@rangasibarbar8019he played it day by day, I think the videos were recorders two or three days in advance because he was responding to theories and comments in some of the more recent Ragnarok uploads :-)
Ragnarok is so worth the watch! It's a great game and Jack covers it really really well.
Love the weird look of almost realisation on seans face when the guy said his name was holmes. Like he’s ALMOST there in figuring it out but it’s just at the edge of his memory
The fact that Jack said “death” for H.H. Holmes’ name without being aware of who he was…
Also, this is so well done. Holmes is so creepy with the awkward stare and flatter attitude, but because the characters in Supermassive stare like that occasionally anyway, it makes you write it off if you don’t know about the real history. Fantastic.
This particular killer also fits so well with the style of the games, so great choice on the dev’s part.
So goofy at times though 😂
True
I heard "Holmes" and immediately was like, "Jack is in for a good time"
As the 275th like I can agree
i was surprised he asked if the bath milk was acid, without knowing who he was 😂😂
As soon as Holmes introduced himself, I was like, “oh hell naw..”
The moaning while drinking water was so funny 😂 perfect reenactment
I was dying 😭
IKR
It hurt me physically 😭
I died for like a minute. Had to pause it for a while
Damn my good headphones.
Guy: "This is an accurate recreation of the murderhouse that had a bunch of deadly traps in it. Don't explore alone, you might get hurt."
People: Explore alone and get hurt.
I am so grateful for Alice's editing, it's bloody brillaint
I'm guessing you already know by now, but H.H.Holmes was a real life serial killer that actually built a hotel shortly before The World Fair in 1893 and the hotel was later called The Murder Castle 💀
A quite litteral "Murder" Castle indeed, funny enough.
🎶 _Welcome to the Hotel California.._ 🎶
He is also thanks to new evidence believed to have been jack the ripper
Yes
@@brokenbond2012 Actually, experts deny that they were the same person. While the two WERE serial killers, they both had different motives. Jack went after poor women who were typically sex workers while Holmes killed because he was after money. Also, Jack started killing in 1888 while Holmes started killing in 1891. Jack the Ripper was also never caught.
Okay I only know this from watching Bernadette Banner videos but the costumes in this are FANTASTIC. The level of historical detail seems really good. Her shirt has all that delicate gathering and seaming, her hat and her hair seem accurate, and even the men's jackets seem in style for the time period with the thin lapels and high armscyes. This is so cool.
Oof the world of horror games and historical clothing are finally aligning!
The woman’s skirt is not at all accurate though with no bustle. Instead of late Victorian it’s closer to early Edwardian. But I also appreciated that they at least tried to make the clothes accurate 😊
@@Emma17456 I dunno, I can find multiple sources from 1893, including photos and art from the World’s Fair itself where women are wearing similar, simple skirts without bustles. It may not have been high fashion for the time, but it seems accurate to what many women attending were wearing.
@@RubyBlueUwU actually you are right. My memory has failed me. I thought the bustle was in fashion further into the 1890’s but it seems that it was almost out of use by 1892. So the skirt in the game is pretty close to the fashion of 1893. I do apologise for my mistake
@@Emma17456 friendly reminder since i too am a fashion history nerd - bernadette banner and most other fashion history influencers tend to, among many other simplifications, focus on only wealthier people in their 20s. it was totally normal for bustles to be worn much later by older women simply because that's what was in fashion when they were younger(same way some women who were teens in the 40s/50s still wear stockings, garters, or girdles) and most support garments were optional (yes - including corsets!), especially those that were made of more costly materials like metal or whalebone. and nobody was ever throwing out their wardrobe with every passing year, so if you're thinking to yourself that something was either worn or not worn by a margin of only a decade - it may not have been vogue but still very much used!
idk if there's a tone indicator for trying to politely geek out about something with a fellow nerd but imagine that here, im not trying to be a dick i swear :,>
Somehow the developers nail that awkward feeling you get with the dialogues everytime
At this point it feels intentiona 😆. I think might even be sorta realistic since not every day-to-day conversations are written by hollywood writters.
But even then in some scenarios the writing makes no sense 💀
@@Shahamood-y9t The couple's dialogue in the beginning is definitely intentional. It's too "Stereotypical 1800's young couple" to be taken seriously.
Everyone else varies. Chris is hard stereotyping, while Erin's and Mark's are pretty genuine. Something tells me each had a different writer, or the script writer took the common "write what you know" advice, and wrote the characters closest to themselves, while hamfisting the rest.
@@Neopolitan-tk8tu I didn't know "open sesame" was a thing in 1890. The writing for that part felt like it was trying to sound old but threw in more modern things because it just came off so wrong. Not saying I could do better but I have read a decent few classics ranging from the 1810s upwards so I've got an idea of how the dialogue comes across in that.
Jack at 44:30: looking at the anatomy of organs and proceeds to list your foot bones "hm yea you got the metatarsals.. the ribcage..."
Made the bit even more funny 🤣
I love how they chose a genuine serial killer for the antagonist. He looks almost exactly how he did in real life here, too!
The moment he said “Howard Holmes that sounds like an actual name.” I about died! Much like many of h.h. Holmes’s guests ☠️
I was gonna say the same thing!!
wow way to be insensitive..
I thought your name was Galaxy n-word
Yeah
@@Isa-uy9rw nobody cares if you're gonna make a joke about dead people from the 1800s.
havent watched the whole series yet but i like the idea that the dev team went with by giving characters their own unique skill set intigrated into the game. It gives the player an incentive to try and keep the characters alive besides just wanting to keep them all alive and going "oh well" when they die.
As soon as he said who he was, I was silently screaming for his characters, and Sean was like "Hm, cool guy. Is he a real person?"
H. H Holmes saying his name and Seán being completely oblivious about it got me so anxious
Loads of people know him more as Masnfield. Also, Jack did mention it sounds fammiliar
No because when Jack didn’t recognize him at first I was worried 😭
@@dykevader01 I dunno who “masnfield” is but H.H Holmes is most definitely known as H.H Holmes 😂
Man I can't wait to see his reaction when he goes down the rabbit hole of this man.
He’s not a household name if you’re not American.
Holmes would sell the skeletons of his victims to medical practices and the like. People would ask “hey uh where you getting all these skeletons?” And Holmes basically said “wouldn’t you like to know weather boy” and everyone just went along with it.
Person: Hey,uh…Henry? Where’re you getting all these skeletons from?
H.H.Holmes:…Wouldn’t you like to know,Weather Boy?
Person:…Yeah,I’ll take this one for $200.
Considering a lot of medical schools in the 19th century got them from grave robbers, they didn't ask too many questions.
I've always been fascinated with H H Holmes. I especially love the theory that he may have been Jack the Ripper
YESSSS I’VE BEEN LOOKING FOR THIS!! Bailey sarian got me fucked up 😂
That's a ridiculous theory
@@billbill6094Yeah, Of course he isn't Jacob Fryes brother🙄🙄🙄🙄
@@billbill6094Not really, but ok.
Cannot believe the excitement and terror of finding out it's H.H.Holmes was lost on him!! 😂😂
I haven’t seen the trailer but already I’m enjoying it. Especially with H. H. Holmes involved 😏
Yeah
Not everyone is a true crime weirdo
You Can't blame Sean for not knowing about an American Serial Killer when he isn't American.
@@Jenneration95x Maybe they saw Gab’s video. She’s also not American, but she knew who he was. Maybe they assumed since she knew he would too.
Seán, talking about the lady moaning as she struggles to open the door: “It sounds horrible if you don’t see what’s happening on the screen.”
Me, doing yoga and definitely not looking at the screen: Yeah… it does…
Also, I just have to say I am suuuuper confused by the scene cuts in this game.
no those scenes are meant for co op and the game devs didnt do anything for solo players so they just cut those
I've watch playthroughs of people playing the shared story mode. Nothing is missing. It's just the effect of being a game made by Supermassive Games.
that's exactly what i was thinking
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I used to be friends with a descendent of H.H. Holmes. He definitely has a knack for the uncanny- actually his whole mother's side does. Not muder-y, but very into the grotesque
well that’s unsettling
I’m a descendant of Benedict Arnold. Greatest traitor to America. Normally I wouldn’t be proud of this, but seeing the state America is in these days…..maybe Benedict saw it coming lmao
I mean, legally I feel like you have to be.
Intellectual capacity isn’t earned it’s inherited. My uncle is a better guitar tuner than most digital tuners. My cousin is a nasty demolition expert. Not much left of a tiding lawnmower after only 7 lbs of tanerite. If i have any claim to skill, it’s tying fishing flies. That’s all about proportion and lots more I haven’t the mindset to elaborate on at the moment, but I’ve learned much in only two years, using bottom of the barrel materials.
@@chadmann2724 How is intellectual capacity related to that? People can have around the same intellectual capacity and have different hobbies or jobs. And also, inherited passion for same kind of things is real as far as I know. In a family with many children, there is at least one that have the same kind of intellectual capacity and desire for things as their parents descendents. Others might not share the same desire though.
Fun fact H.H. Holmes didn't actually have this massive hotel filled with spooky traps and different SAW like rooms. He did have a hotel, the World's Fair Hotel. He did have secret rooms and twisting hallways and secret doors BUT it's because he was a conman. And he would use those rooms to hide away his conned things. He would also steal from the guests that stayed in the hotel. BUT he very much was a serial killer and didn't kill a couple hundred people as the common belief tells but he did kill a handful. At least 3 and he's suspected to have done more. He was a conman, business man, and he wore many hats to blend in. He travelled all over the US. If you're interested, do look into his real history and what really happened because it's arguably a lot more interesting then this SAW style hotel. Actually now that I'm thinking about it... Maybe not as interesting as the SAW style hotel but it is fascinating and there's a lot to learn from his story. A lot of scary details and a lot of things people can learn from him and how to avoid people like him.
timestamp 26:07 says he confessed to 27, and is suspected to have done more than 200, other sites also back this up, what makes you think he "didnt kill a couple hundred people?"
@@samantha8320 Because there's no evidence for hundreds of people. There was only enough evidence to pin the murders of around 4 people and suspected to be a few others as well. It's an urban legend that he was a lot worse than he really was. I mean granted he's a horrible serial killer who's killed kids but he didn't kill hundreds. And this is a game which plays into that urban legend of the World's fair hotel.
@@samantha8320did you just use a time stamp from the game as a gotcha lmao
@@Bunny-kt6itif you can manage to read past the time stamp it clearly states “and other sites back this up”
starting this with Holmes and his murder hotel already got me more than probably anything in the previous games. maybe because it was real and familiar
I completely agree
It just makes me apprehensive for how much of the real history behind Mudgett's hotel that they're gonna fuck up.
So true
This game already has me spooked more then the others because of that fact tbh
currently laughing 'cause i didn't remember the beginning getting me this hard last time but no, it did and i already commented on it. gotta wonder what specifically gets me about it tho, since i can handle other horror of a similar palette without the same level of tension. idk if it's because of the ties to reality or if it's specificly to do with h.h.holmes
I love how he’s like “is H.H. Holmes a real dude” like….yes. Yes he was. A twisted and disturbed man. His hotel was a torture chamber.
@@velvet_violetnot about being irish or american, more about if you have an interest in serial killers 🤷
Jack: "inhaler gang!"
Me: *holds up exact same ventolin inhaler like we're doing cheers*
Just a side note I love that Sean always has CC on for those of us with hearing disabilities or even brain processing disorders ❤️❤️❤️ thank you!!!
I love CC too. I don’t have hearing difficulties but I think having adhd makes it hard for me to process things sometimes.
@@Inamichan It's definitely the ADHD. It's connected to so many other disorders, including auditory processing ones! I've researched my own ADHD quite a bit out of curiosity.
He probably mainly does it for himself, as someone who also struggles with ADHD, audio processing can be a bitch and subtitles really help. But I'm sure his viewers also play into the reason
@@jayemover_16 same for me, but also I trip over my words or have trouble finding the right ones far too often
@@ItsBunnyBuns SAME HERE. Guys I feel so heard.
Jack impersonating charlie is one of the funniest things to me for some reason
he sounds exactly like ronnie kray from legend
its annoying imo
@@jonsnow3300 i don’t think so
@@jonsnow3300 youre allowed to have bad opinions 😂
@@riverpubby to each their own! 🤝
I know the prologue characters always die in these but when it’s a couple who’s whole personality is their Marriage
and their names are “Marie” and “Jeff” you know they aren’t long for this world
Well they just got married so of course they’re all gushy lol it’s their honeymoon. 🤦🏼♀️
…..That, that’s literally the point of a honeymoon. To celebrate, the beginning of their marriage. I think it’s fair to say everybody’s “personality” is relatively the same on a honeymoon.
@@the_ghost_orchid not saying they can’t be happy about being married, the game just let us know a lot how happily together they were when the audience knows full well what’s coming to them. Like the idea is they are so on cloud 9 they don’t realize how weird the place is until it’s too late
The moment the two were introduced I literally said out loud: "they're going to die"
And I called it!
@@squishyfishy6010 Plus given the times, they finally could have had a proper relationship and sex without feeling bad about it. Of course they were super sweet and excited!
my favorite thing about rewatching this with my mom is how anxious she got when Kate and Jamie went off on their own before they got to the hotel. like she couldn’t sit still because they were “taking too long!” and “what if he (du’met) comes back and they’re not there!” even though i tried to explain to her video game time and it was okay 😂
Right when the detective comes I was shocked. The fact that the couple can die multiple ways and that it is just the intro to the game, really shows how much time and detail went into this game
I mean it’s the same company that made The Quarry
@@TheBoyNextWorld1996 OMG IM SO DUMB
@@TheBoyNextWorld1996 BRUH
@@goobles64 sup
seeing the host and his daughter book it to the boat was truly the scariest part
Fr that would've been my first warning to get the hell off that island. As if your phones being confiscated wasn't a warning enough.
The ‘host’. Man, I get the feeling that his daughter was taken, used to make him lure the others there, then once he got to her he ran as fast as he could with her away
Honestly, I found it a little relieving, cause I didn't want to find out his daughter got merced and turned into a ghost story. He was definitely not there by choice, and I'm calling it now: that body in the premonition's probably his wife.
@@feyefall4855 unfortunately they are not that lucky. They didn’t make it off the island
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yeah my guess is the killer uses some of the last group to lure the new people there with the promise of escape. unfortunately, I saw another comment that saw the big number in the lobby, assumingly the death toll, went up by two after they "left"
Sean posting longer videos is exactly what we need for happiness
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He needs to play little inferno sequel!
Thank you! Someone gets it!
@@𱁬 why not
Yes!!
While I do love games like this and really enjoy watching choose your own adventure stories, the fact that some of the facial models and dialogue are so awkward gets me every time😆
While the original H.H. Holmes wasn't as interesting as Wikipedia shows, I'm digging the twist they did with him here.
Same, i suppose a murder castle is more interesting than insurance fraud
@@gilles466Umm- did you actually look into the insurance fraud or at least the one that got him caught. The guy literally planned to kill an entire family and almost succeeded.
@@jasperdrawings oh yeah true, i was just tryna make a small point that he wasn't exactly a full on serial killer that killed people using crazy contraptions, but he was indeed fucked in the head for murdering 3 kids and his partner in crime.
I just came from Wikipedia XD
This game has my imagination SPINNING
@@gilles466 I suggest watching American Ripper as well. Cause although being caught for Insuance Fraud ain't that cool (and not the first criminal to be caught for something "uncool" per say) it's something that deep dives into a theory of H.H. Holmes being Jack the Ripper himself and it's quite interesting IMO
25:26 caught me off guard so much. I really hope jacks editor gets paid well
That got me wheezing!😂
I had to had a double take
And yes. I hope they get a raise!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I kept rewatching it
32:03 Lmao, I cannot get over Charlies voice and face when he says "I'm fit as a butcher's dog."
"dancer, singer, writer"
now little does sean know that he truly is all three!
Been away from this channel for a while. Hearing Jack's fast-paced voice and bombastic nature right away is like getting a warm hug from an old friend. So much nostalgia for this man it's insane.
I love how she just used her inhaler to stop an asthma attack and then not-fliss encourages her to drink alcohol and completely lies about how it tastes. Alcohol is a big trigger for my asthma and especially in a situation like this where I'd be surprised by it being nasty that's a really dangerous and stupid thing to do.
I'm sorry but the "not-fliss" cracked me up LMAO. Hope your asthma is under control though!!
“Not-Fliss” don’t forget “Not-Julia” at the beginning 😂
@A5H_01 omg I only just realised its Not - Julia at the start because of your comment 😂😂😂
Sean making fun of the terrible cockney at every turn is exactly my sense of humour
@Barry Willems Then his real life accent is terrible. Lol jk
@Barry Willems I thought Naryce was just calling cockney accents terrible. LOL
Love the song O' Death. Love the version from Supernatural as well as the scene it was in. As well as the H.H Holmes episode from season 2.
these games always look both incredible and uncanny at the same time.
theres no doubting what they've achieved on a technical level. There are just some design... features we arent so sure about...
We have lighting, environment design, we even have realistic textures.
Those weren’t the design choices we were talking about, Supermassive games
@@creature5966 FIVE NITE FEDDY!!1!
It always bugged me the person speaking to William afton sounded exactly like kakashi from Naruto and Naruto Shippuden
One issue I find glaring are the character models eyes at points. Some look and move really natural and others looks like their brain is on a loading screen.
But does it scoop ice cream?
Jack kills me whenever there is a tense scene, he always smiles uncomfortably as if Holmes could see him.
44:18 the added Goofy scream had me in stitches 😂
I thought I was crazy when I heard that. 😂
When Disney sponsers
LMFAO i didn’t even hear that
"Maybe Supermassive should have got a chance to do a Silent Hill game." They did Sean, you know this, it's called Little Hope.
I was so worried Jack wouldn't play this game since he wasn't a fan of the previous ones. So happy to see that he's given it a chance since this last one seems unique and more on the scarier side since it really happened.
House of ashes is only worth playing for salim
honestly each game was better than the previous one. man of medan was horrible, little hope was better in terms of scares and characters but ended up with a meh conclusion, house of ashes delivered on the supernatural premise and genuinely had some good writing for characters (Jason and Salim) and the last one seems to have decent writing and good scares with a promising premise.
well, it's important to know a lot of the stuff they say holmes did in this is heavily fictionalised, as in real life, we don't think holmes killed the amount of people he claimed to have killed (he was only arrested for one murder, his business partner), and we're pretty sure the murder hotel thing never quite worked out the way holmes wanted it to, i believe because he couldn't pay back any of the workers. a lot of the stuff claimed about the murder hotel was exaggerated and dramatised by the tabloids at the time.
House of ashes or the quarry?
@@fluffy_magnus I like house of ashes the most of the 3 before this one quite an action forward and the departure from man of medan is basically a gas trip, little hope is basically all happening inside the mind of the bus driver but had a very interesting history with the witch trials and stuff and how it all linked in with how the family died inside the house but the house of ashes being real monsters that exist within that games universe makes it even more horrific
You not knowing the story of H.H.Holmes makes you the perfect player for this game
The scariest thing in this game is the expressions the characters make
Especially the very start of the game
54:17 bro I literally said “this sign won’t stop me because I can’t read” and then I heard him say it right after I just quietly yelled “no way?!”😂
44:16 The goofy laugh soundtrack over the explosion is just too good 💀
1:11:56 Jack saying ”well she’s not dead at least” is going to age greatly I promise…
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My first thought with that scene was 'They damn well better not pull a Norman Bates in this.' But that's exactly what they're gonna do, if that premonition is any indication.
Dude, sean is killing it with these long videos!
@@𱁬 no
DONT DO IT
I SWEAR
Yeah it's been an amazing month
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@@𱁬 did it. Hard beating stuff man
I really didn't expect there to be a game about a murder. I've only heard the story of h.h.holmes but to be able to see it in a game is honestly so cool. Because of how crazy this case was.
5:48 Watching recognition spark in Seán's brain but it not FULLY kicking over as the antagonist describes his interests. I'm screaming. I'm so excited for when it fully clicks over. This is my bookmark to see how long it takes
Sean's impression of Charlie makes this hilarious
Yes I was literally crying 😂
Less than 15mins in and Jack just keeps cracking me up, god I love watching him play lmao
" I picked a terrible job!" Jacksepticeye 2022
13 mins in and he's moaning with water in his mouth, peek jacksepticeye moments LMAO
@@GhoulzDaGoatLOLLL
The fact that they used a real serial killer and the horrors he created is kinda neat
Well damn, props to the VA of HH Holmes! Starting out, he already hit the unsettling button of creepiness
The fact that they're covering THE Holnes'Hotel. Based on a real life event! I'm so excited! They must have worked *so hard* on that map!