Tried To Ride My Bike 64k... And Fell Off! (Twice)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
- This is my third IRL bike ride and in an attempt to get better at the cleats I've decided to ride from my house (in Essex) to Clacton-on-Sea, a 64k bike ride along busy country roads, gravel trails and cycle paths. Everything I need to practice. Oh and I have my first fall or two...
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Hey Ryan, I chatted to you on the way up Ditchling Beacon on Sunday! Hope you enjoyed the rest of the ride! It was was a great day out and well done on finishing!
@@jedpenmen Hi Ben, congrats on finishing. Nice to have met you!
As somebody else mentioned would highly recommend garmin varia radar although you will need a GPS head unit. I’ll never ride on roads without varia.
If you plan on cycling outside more I recommend buy a Garmin so you can stay focused on the road and see your stats. If you plan on buying a power meter ever then don’t buy the edge explorer because they cannot handle power data. (Update just now in the part of the vid where you said you would buy one)
Good advice, for a novice a power meter isn't really required. Real life rides aren't Zwift.
@@FoobsToni strongly disagree, I got back to cycling this year after like 10+ years without riding, first on Zwift for training, and I really love to have my power meter outside.
Can’t say I won’t be able to ride without it, but this is really a good number to have, paired with hr on any outdoor ride
@@jujurm
Horses for courses. Never had one, never needed one. Power isn't something I need to know IRL. Strava is a fake environment and as such you need something to focus on. I don't need that IRL, there's enough going on.
It looks to me that Ryan has enough to focus on at the moment. He's barely legal at it is.
@@FoobsTon
We are kind of on the same point of view I think.
To re use your racing horse image. Don’t need one, don’t have one, but if you’re onto horse riding, it can be kind of a good thing having one :)
And TBH, having numbers to look at at the end of your ride is kinda cool too 😂
Cleat confidence is all about gear planning - get the muscle memory of high to low (hard to easy) gear changes and make sure you shift down before you stop to make the set off easier. But the main thing is... you don't need to clip in straight away especially on very stop start roads, you can pedal with your 'dominant' clip in/out foot unclipped until you get going - you are not doing a time trial, who needs a few extra watts away from the traffic lights? :) Also you can lower the resistance to clipping in and out on the pedal it usually just a tension screw.
Drop down into an easier gear when your away to stop so when you start again it's easier to control. If you forget. Change gear and lift saddle to spin pedal to spin back wheel into easier gear. Hope that helps. Never stop halfway up a hill and forget 😂
Well Done Ryan, it's great to see you enjoying riding outside, you will get used to the cleats in time just keep riding, keep it up.
I started cycling summer 2023, first time since i was a kid and this video completely echoes my experience! falls, wrong turns and all! . I ended up commuting into my job in glasgow city centre for the last year. Cant say the commuting has got any better stress wise 😬, but going out cycling around the country roads with friends etc has been absolutely joyful 😎. Clocked over 3000 miles so far and even got a sportive under my belt.
Been seeing more and more anti-cycling videos/posts on social media lately and for some reason they have me slightly spooked about cycling as much outdoors (its been a month) but after watching your bike unboxing video, part two of that and this video. You have rekindled that initial enthusiasm i felt last summer when i started. Gonna get back to it outdoors again, thanks alot!
@@ne0paul Im pleased it helped. Cycling has got me hooked. 😅
Your London to Brighton video popped up on my feed yesterday afternoon… the day disappeared, I don’t want to admit how many videos of yours that I’ve now watched and a subscription later and I am hooked. Your films, editing, commentary etc are excellent. Well done!
@@radele123 wow! Thank you for the kind comment. Im thrilled you like my vids. 😊
Also, I got a bike (hybrid) on my cycle to work scheme back in July. Me and a mate did the L2B route a few weeks ago and now you’ve inspired me to upgrade my pedals to cleats and give them a go too!
Loved the video - reminded me of my early days with cleats. GCN have made a few vids to show that's there's virtually no difference in how fast you go with/without cleats, so you could consider just using flats pedals for L2B and then get more familiar with your cleats over the next few months. The big hill towards the end of L2B is very stop/start if I remember correctly, as lots of people haven't got the correct gear selection on their bikes and therefore have to stop and walk up, and it can sometimes be horrible trying to get into cleats on a steep hill. Glad you're enjoying the outdoor cycling.
So cool to watch, mate. It's pretty amazing that you can now take a ride like this in your stride and not worry about the fitness. And just brilliant to see you enjoying the IRL riding.
Best of luck for Sunday! You're going to love the descent after Ditchling Beacon. I think they have marshalls telling you to slow down, but if you supertuck you'll be going too fast for them!
Cheers Lee. Ill be a blurrrr to the yellow coats. 😅
Congrats! I've only just got into cycling and bought my first gravel bike two months ago. So far my biggest ride is 55Km - I'm training for a 100Km ride in a couple months
Good luck in your training. I hope it all goes well. 🙌
You should do The Dunwich Dynamo mate, you'd love it....and the lighting rigs people festoon their bikes with would make excellent footage....
agreed
You can get Garmin watch handle bar mounts, that's what I used for a year or so before getting a Garmin 530.
Edit : Oops. Someone else has mentioned this.
Keep up the good work, you went in at the deep end with SPD SL, I used SPD for 18 months before making the jump!.
Great video! Really glad you enjoyed cycling outdoors. Zwift has its place but outside is what it’s all about. Don’t get down about the cleats, just keep at it, it’ll become second nature. I ended up on the floor of my garage still clipped in after a Zwift session… so we all do it 😂 Stay safe 👍🏻
Cheers Steve. 🙏🙌
Concerning cleats, what has helped me a lot was, to try several times inside the house while leaning against a wall, and the muscle memory kicked in
I've been racing on Zwift for over a year using cleats. You would have thought I'd of learned by now.
@@RyanCondon 😂😂, ok ok Ryan. I am very claustrophobic and avoided cleats for a long time and, have had my accidents. Now I’m very glad I gave it a try
Love it Ryan, you'll learn the cleats, it is just one of those things. We've all done it mate, I fell off my bike only last week as I didn't get out quick enough when suddenly stopping in a country lane!
It seems you are starting to learn how addictive and expensive the sport is 😅 you need to get yourself a cycling computer mate. I tried the Garmin watch routing previous to my first L2B, now I have a Garmin computer I don't know why or how I ever rode a bike without one! Especially as you are thinking about your cameras, and recording etc, one less thing to think about with the computer is your route 👍
Take care out there mate.
Some advice on the cleats mate - head out, just you and the bike (no cameras, routes, other things to think about etc). And just do laps of your housing estate, every junction, stop, cleat out, cleat in, pull away, before you know it, it will be second nature.
Also, something I wasn't told and learnt myself, put your weakest foot out/down, so your strong foot stays in, and helps you push away when ready.
As you have a gravel bike I’m assuming you are planning on a mixture of road and trails, I would recommend you try MTB pedals and cleats they are easier to clip in and they won’t wear out as quickly from constantly clipping in/out putting foot down, I use road pedals and cleats on my dedicated road bikes and MTB pedals on my CX bike
I have a few trails near my house so decided to opt for a gravel bike. Might get a road bike in the future so persisting with the cleats. Thanks for watching.
Great video Ryan. You can adjust your cleats for less force clicking. Also only unclick one foot for traffic lights etc.. Descents always with your hands below in the steering bars for safety and proper braking. For not destroying your knees on the long term start cycling in lower gears. But you fill find out yourselves when its time to :). Love your vids !
I'm pleased you like my vids. Don't worry about my knees. The ultra marathons will destroy them long before the bike does. 😅
Great video, love seeing someone on their journey figuring things out! We’ve all had a tumble I’ve had some spectacularly hilarious ones!😅
Hope to see more IRL content as well as the zwift racing so glad YT sent me this channel just what I needed
Nice ride fella. I’d recommend a Wahoo cycle computer over the Garmin, my friend. Far easier to use.
Well done Ryan, now that you’ve experienced the foot stuck in pedal fall certainly no need to do it again 😩. New pedals and cleats are a bit stiffer/tighter when new and should be a bit easier with a few miles on them. Also have you adjusted the tension on the pedal? It might already be on the loosest setting and just new. The rest is just practice and repetition so your mind is free to enjoy the scenery and watch out for Herbert’s in cars 😳
Cheers Alan. I'm all set. Looking forward to it.
Strava heatmaps are great for plotting routes. You can filter by foot or bike
Great video Ryan. Have you reduced the tension on your pedals to make it easier to unclip?
If using Google maps make sure you select cycle instead of car, it should plan the route differently. Strava and Komoot are good for route planning too.
You should be drinking and eating more. 500ml per hour is a good guide. Fatigue hits you fast and it's a horrible feeling. Can't wait for the next installment.
Cheers Nik. I will say I'm new to cycling not life 😂
Google isn't great even with cycle selected, the website I shared was really good.
I didn't need more than 500ml of water even though I had more with me, it was a cool day and didn't sweat plus I was zone 2/3. On my endurance runs Id consume more water. Pleased you liked the vid.
So pleased you’re out IRL! Would love to go for a bike ride with you. Great bike choice, genuinely good choice my wife has one and it’s been great. Two tips:
1) if you keep struggling look at MTB pedals and cleats. They are double sided, also gravel/mtb shoe tread sits higher than cleats so they’re easier to walk in and easier to clip in. (You might find your road cleat back is dropping down as your supposed to touch the tip and push forward to clip in. They should be vertical when there I clipped with nose up).
2) Komoot is extremely popular to plan your routes. Your channel is doing so well reach out to them they may give you a free membership 😊 Komoot is really good for route planning as it uses riders ratings to influence the route planning. You can choose road, gravel, bike packing etc.
I like bike packing as it picks lots of back roads.
Good luck with the London to Brighton tomorrow. It’s ten years to the day since I did it and that was my first major ride too, after quitting a 20 year smoking habit. I’m sure you will have a great ride, hope the weather holds for you. One thing I remember vividly about that ride was the range of abilities and knowledge of cycling, it’s brilliant to have so many people out on bikes and raising loads of money for charity but you do have to be hyper aware of everyone around you, people do just weave about on hills and stop in random places so I recommend giving people a shout if you’re overtaking. Stay safe and enjoy that ice cream on Madeira Drive! 💪
Great ride Ryan.
Cheers Ian. 🙌
We have all toppled off our bikes while getting used to being clipped in. I have also done this at a set of traffic lights right in front of a long queue of cars. The worst one I did was 50 miles from my house. I fell with both feet clipped in on grass. I tore my pec muscle as I used my arm to cushion the fall. Not a fun ride back home. In time though, it becomes 2nd nature to unclip.
The story I want to hear the day before a 90k bike ride. 😅
If you mount your GoPro on your chest mount upside down you will get better angles when you are on your bike. Awesome video you’ve inspired me to start posting my riding videos.
That's exactly what I did for today's ride. You live and learn. Thanks for watching, pleased I inspired you.
I fell 3 times on my first outdoor UK venture, since loosened the clips when off Zwift. I've done less miles outdoor than yourself, but feel ready for Sunday all the same 😀
Good luck Ryan for the LTB. The biggest problem for the ride .. other riders who have NO bike craft , brake in front of you for no reason etc, you have the stamina to get up all the hills, enjoy
Highly recommend getting the watch mount for your handlebars from decathlon and wearing your HR strap to record your ride.
Also I use Strava to plan my routs and navigate (using a phone mount on the handlebars) as they have great heat maps of common bike routs and you can even filter by riding surface.
the screeching sound - has ot been there before the fall? fallen myself two times in two days because of getting the car reaction in front of me wrong. Also beware of changing gears while climbing hills on high graffic roads with no safety space….
oh haha yeah that fall was probably the safest way to learn that :)
So glad you enjoyed your IRL cycling. Certainly enjoying watching the journey that you're sharing.
Good luck with the London 2 Brighton, will be interested to see if you decide to go with or without the cleats. :)
Hello from Portugal🙂. Just to say that your videos are awesome. I’ve been following them for a while now. We have the cycling hobby in common. Keep going 😀
You can adjust the tension in the springs in your pedals which will make it easier to clip in and out
Nice ride Ryan, you can get a handlebar mount for your watch which might be a good step before spending big bucks on the bike computer.
Great work on the road and on Zwift! Impressive.. love the bike! Good luck on Sunday, you’ll breeze through it. You’ll get the hang of gears very quickly. I actually used to plan anticlockwise loop routes to minimise de-cleating. I also had my worst crash ever a couple weeks ago, felt like a total muppet. I was filming a video for work, second real ride this year, wiping out on a gravel path, actually completely cracked my helmet and scraped all the skin off my lower leg. All healed up now. Done a couple C category races recently but got completely destroyed.
Pleased to hear you're ok.
Having a timbeeeerrrrr moment at some traffic lights is a right of passage for all cyclists. As an alternative to an expensive bike computer you can get a holder for your phone that sits on your bars you can then run Komoot or whatevs and get the sat nav function. They cost 20 odd quid. Hope the Brighton ride went well!
Cheers Aslan.
Hey mate. Another great vid. What an adventure had. Definitely bringing back some memories from when i first started riding with cleats on my mind. I use to use a phone mount for ages until i started doing longer rides( Phone use to go flat any ride longer than 90k) Sounds like ur 50 miler is going to be a blast (going by the comments) I must say Great suppertuck 🤙🏼
For navigation and safety, you can mount your cell phone on the bars.
Excellent effort for your first proper ride. A couple of comments - Gears will be really important on L2B. You appeared to always be in the big ring on the front. Your left shifter will move you between big ring and small ring. You will almost certainly need the small ring to spin up a couple of the bigger hills especially Ditching Beacon, Cleats are just a matter of practice although different kinds of cleats are more or less tricky.
Enough said, well done and good luck on the L2B.
Another great video!
I know they are very expensive but a Garmin or Wahoo cycling computer will help you with your routes and much safer then you having to take your hand off the bar to look at wrist/ not looking where you need to go. The computer will alert you when a turn is coming and makes it very clear where to go
For your pedals I would suggest a spd cleat, it’s a better design for gravel bikes as it is dual sided(clip in either side of pedal), and allow you to clip in if there is mud on your shoe. The pedals do not flop around/ counter balance like you complain about. If you can return your pedals I would recommend it and getting the spd style pedals
Better then, dual sided spd/flat to be able to use the bike on any shoe, this is a game changer really
We’ve all been there mate. Been upside down like a turtle on its back a few times in the earlier days. You’ll get used to them 🚴♂️
So many cycling rabbit holes to go down:
Cleats - maybe practice on the trainer with know worries about falling
- Route planning- so many good sites ridewithgps and kamoot to name but two
- Cycle computers - Garmin edge 530 and Wahoo bolt are good bets, and likely deals to be had on eBay as new models are out
- Power meters, left crank is a good bet with deals on eBay around.
- ride data analysis e.g Garmin, training peaks , golden cheetah
- Adventures/ backpacking
- Gravel riding
Etc
Etc!!
Enjoy… lots of fun to be had in addition to the cycling itself!!
Good to see you doing IRL and now on a planned route. There are some good websites for GPX, I haven't used the one that you showed so I might try that. I like Komoot as you can tell it to go different types i.e road, touring, gravel and MTB.
I still think if you had got the Shimano SPD Peddles you would be having such a better time to start with. The are normally double sided and don't need as much of a forward click to engage. I moved from flats to SPD and then road cleats. Like you I still hate the road cleats, you get off but then trying to get clipped can be a pain. Do you keep one foot clipped when stopped?
Good luck for London to Brighton
Love your videos Ryan! Well done on your first major bike ride, hopefully the weather gets better for us hey! 😅
Thanks G Unit. 🙏🌞
Maybe, you may benefit from mountain bike sped’s, they’re far more user friendly and best for gravel rides. Great video, 👍👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
You're gonna love the climb In the middle of L2B, proper party atmosphere 😎
I can't wait. 🙏🙌
Ay up Ryan! It's entertaining watching the beginnings of your outdoor cycling, well done! Here's a few hopefully helpful pointers. Everyone falls off with cleats, it's normal at first. I use mountain bike cleats, so I can use mountain bike shoes and still walk properly in them. My pedals are flat one side and clips on the other, so I can use regular shoes too if needed. For planning routes, I use Komoot or RideWithGPS. Komoot is great for new route suggestions in your area. I'm on Strava too, and you can download friend's completed rides and load up the gpx file into komoot ready for your ride. For SatNav I have an Wahoo Elemnt Bolt, which has been a game changer in helping plan and record rides. The Wahoo Roam is pretty much the same but with a bigger screen. Komoot links into my Bolt, and my Bolt links back to Strava and Komoot automatically at end of rides. It's really easy once it's all setup. .... I have a techi question for you. Your outside audio is great! What do you use? All the best! Stuart (aka Stuggy :)
Fantastic video, enjoyed that. Congratulations on your path to fitness, looks like you’re enjoying it 👍
Thank you. 🙌I appreciate that.
Are you using MTB SPD cleats and pedals? So much easier. Shimano have a particular cleat that is super easy to click in and out of. SPD pedals also have dual attachment, so whichever way up the pedal is you can easily click in.
If going for a power meter the new Favero Assioma MX Pro pedals are awesome, got mine a few weeks back and love them.
Hey Ryan, it sounds like you are stopping and then trying to get out of cleats. Do it the other way round, get your feet out of the cleats first and then stop. It's much much easier that way. Best wishes .
Cheers for the comment but it's not the stopping that's the issue. It's the standing starts I need to nail.
@@RyanCondon ah fair enough! Mine still isn't perfect either, but it's not as nerve wracking as when I started. Just take your time. I'm usually clipped in one foot already when stopped. As you move ahead you can always do more than one revolution to have a bit of momentum. I still need to look down every once in a while clip in too from a start. But overall the whole experience will get smoother. Just relax :) best of luck!
Just put decent flat pedals on Ryan and get a pair of grippy mountain bike shoes. I bet it will make virtually no difference to your pace.
I like this 💡 unless you going flat out on the road. 👌
Well done , really enjoyed the vid
Thanks. 🙌
Great video, Ryan! Best of luck for L2B this weekend too - you’ll smash it!
Don’t worry about the falling over bit either - we’ve all done it. Also, you’re not a real cyclist til you’ve fallen over!
Clipping in will take a few rides to get your confidence up then it will become 2nd nature. However, if you struggle long term with that particular set up, try Wahoo Speedplay pedals. They’re my ‘go to’ as you just stomp and pedal! There’s no worrying about where the pedal is and what angle it’s at etc.
Enjoy the ride Sunday 👍
Brilliant route,some nice tracks!…..ditch the yellow cleats,i can never get out of them quckly,i use the blue,much safer and easier un-cleating.Give it a try.
Great content! Since you use your watch as GPS I highly recommend to strap the watch to the handlebars
Welcome to Club Tombey.
50 miles to Brighton after 3rd ride out?
Oh, I'm looking forward to this... I'm going to open a tin of fruit for that one....as Ryan would say. 😂
Good luck on Sunday, I'm sure it'll be an amazing experience similar to your running events. Careful riding with a group for the first time 👍 PS a simple flashing front light has saved me many times from cars about to pull out in front. PPS have you got adjustment for the cleat tension on the pedal? then make it very weak until you get the confidence
This is too late for your big ride but you should be able to adjust the tension needed to release your cleat. There is a screw on the back of the pedal. You may also benefit from switching over to MTB shoes and pedals as you can clip in to either side of the pedal.
Thanks for the tip. 👍
Good luck for Sunday, may bump into you will say Hello :) im also doing it.
Good luck to you. 🙌
@@RyanCondonwell done mate great time last hill killed me 😂 managed tk do it in 3:20
Ok, now you're a real cyclist. As I said after last week's video, you're not a real cyclist until you're fallen over because you can't get out of your cleats. That's behind you Way to go! As I recall, GCN has a good 'basic skills' video that might be helpful. My memory of it is that they suggested doing some very slow riding. If you can ride slowly, it means your handling skills are solid. By slowly, they mean, like, at a crawl. Anyway, another great vid, Keep up the great work!
Twist your foot. Don't pull.
I found it better 'training' my left foot when unclipping so if I fell it would be to the left. And not to the right under a bus etc.
If I missed it - SPD cleats FTW. Start with the loosest tension on the pedals.
Great ride and video love the colour of the bike when the sun hits it most people with gravel use spd which are double side easier to unclip I’m mastering spd sl pedals now how did you set your cleats on shoes and have you a video explaining
Thanks. I like the colour. Zwift Orange. I just set the cleats the same as my Zwift bike, feels good. Pleased you liked the vid. 👌
We used to call one of our friends timber because he would fall like a tree when wearing cleats
Timbuuur!! 🌳
Think your riding will improve 10 fold over the next month. First ride is so tiring because of the nervous tension. You will learn so much on the L2B just from observation and some of the less arseholey riders who will b happy to advise
This ride was surprisingly relaxed, enjoyed it. Not tiring. Looking forward to L2B.
Where’s the pic of the fish n chips?? (Brit in Oz missing his fav naughty indulgence)
I should have filmed it. School boy error. Next time. 👍
I'm assuming where Strava told you to ride along the A12 this was the Kelvedon to Marks Tey section? There's a cycle path along the entirety of that section. I live in Braintree.
I dont use Strava, it was google. Thanks for watching.
@@RyanCondon sorry, my assumption, and you're welcome.
Get a Garmin Varia(or other radar) and a quad lock for your phone or a computer. I won't ride outdoors without mine!
Ryan you dont need to clip in straight away get one foot in then just pedal build up some momentum and then clip the other one in. Good stuff though
Feature length!...good stuff. Any neck or shoulder pain from the ride?
None. It was surprisingly chill. Even went to work after lunch. Beats running that far.
If you plan the route on Strava it will show you the roads most used by cyclists..
That's a good tip. I was impressed with this website I used. It definitely took me the best way.
Ryan invest in a garmin 1040 you won’t regret it will help you loads 👍👍 .
Which cleats or peddles do you have? They do losen over time but on the shimano spd are adjustable for tension .
Nice ride Ryan! How come you ain't on Strava?
I cant be bothered with another App.
Get igpsport to send one and sponsor you. Rather cheap and big bang for your buck on bike computers compared to Karoo, Garmin, Wahoo etc.
Keep it going, there are two types of cyclists, ones who have fallen of their bike and ones who will fall of their bike! If you intend to ride outside more often please do consider drinking and eating sufficiently during your ride (also inside). And perhaps revamp your Strava account.. 🙂
What I'm missing here is more view like this: 20:05 (but not like this: 20:09)
Im really hoping that, now you have a big following on YT. You are used to OTHER people giving you advice that you didnt ask for!! ;)
It's all good for the algorithm. How's the Handpan?
@@RyanCondon I interviewed someone yesterday who has done something that no one else in the world has done. That felt pretty cool! Video coming soon! :)
Were you listening to me Neo? Or were you looking at the woman in the red shorts?
had a wee in a bush ! rofl.
lol
Get yourself some brighter kit, and quite a few more (but not all) drivers will notice you. Will be a bit cooler in the sun, too.
Do a few practice reps clipping in and out both sides at the start of your ride, and you'll be able to get your foot out last second when falling. A fall or two is typical when starting out, shouldn't have many more, maybe one when you get a bit overconfident.
Oh, and do eat (or drink carbs) on your longer rides. 2 to 3 hours and you're depleting those glycogen stores.
I would say that don't feel you have to stick with cleats. I ride with flat pedals and I genuinely do not think you will notice much/any difference.
Enjoyable video - keep producing them!
BTW, don't you have strava?
I do, just dont use it.
What is the name of the website you used?
Komoot is quite good for plotting rides and exporting a GPX or sending it directly to your Garmin.
@@chrisje1991 Thank you!
Cycle Route Planner I think but everyone seems to think Komoot is better.
Not sure what the rules are in the A12 but unless it has signs saying you can’t cycle. If it is an A road and you feel like risking death to reach your destination, then you can cycle on A roads and duel carriageways and it’s perfectly legal, but maybe not advisable if you want to live.
Worst advice ever. lol
dude, love your vids but listening to you bang on about the pedals is painful...
Understanding how the pedal actually functions will help. The pedals are designed to hang the way they do so to allow the cleat entry to be repeatable every time. The top of the pedal is positioned to receive the cleat by simply keeping your foot slightly behind the pedal and level, move the foot forward witch will allow the tip of the cleat to catch the opening on the pedal. Once the cleat is in, continue pushing the foot forward witch will rotate the rear of the pedal up until comes in contact with the back of the cleat, press down on the pedals to lock into place. To release the pedals you need to train your brain that it is heal out to release.
Put those pedals on your trainer, loosen them off so it's easier to get you cleats in and out, practice clipping in and out. push your right heal out, clip back in, push left heal out, clip back in. Do this for 10 mins clipping in and out.
Stay safe.
Haha it's all part of the journey. I have the cleats on my Wattbike and have used them for over a year. Where you never new to anything?
Ryan my messages keep getting deleted. I offered you my old Garmin but the message has gone . Did you delete it ?
I never delete messages unless they're offensive. You'll need to take that up with the YT gods.
@@RyanCondon I have a Garmin you can borrow to see if you like it. Then get your own , it’s my old one .
@@Gixer750pilotI appreciate the offer, I'll be alright with my watch for now. 👍
@@RyanCondon try Kamoot too !!! It’s good for building routes . See you on the alpe soon
@@RyanCondonit deleted mine too.. probably cos I dared to put an Amazon link to a Garmin watch bike holder that I thought you'd find useful.