I'm a Fitter-Welder, My Boss prefers that I Mig everything i can because it is faster. He says that I'm costing him more money If i don't do it FAST enough. But there are weld types where Tig out performs Mig. 3mm welds with Mig with 0.9mm wire(.035") are basically impossible. So welds on 2 to 3mm thick material Tig is best. Alluminium is way easier with Tig than Mig, and it looks better. Special material, Stainless steel, (especially thin material) and I do Stellite welding (a Cobalt based hard material) There is no such thing as Stellite in Mig, (it is too brittle to make it in a thin wire). Tig is more accurate, you can put a small spot just where you need it and not all over the place. Tig has no spatter so therefore it is a cleaner method.
I am just getting into MIG welding now, having recently upgraded from a HF flux core and what a difference, but I find my biggest challenge is keeping a steady hand and finding ways to rest my hand on something to control my welds. I guess being 67 years old doesn't help much with the steady hands thing either. I am thinking about a TIG welder for the future and watching you do your projects has been a help and encouragement. Thanks Gary.
You got it George, 2 main keys, keep a steady and, being able to see what your doing really well. For the longest time i needed readers, my welding sucked! Just recently had to upgrade to a +3 on the readers. 67, piece of cake, your just getting started good! And yes, the gas mig welding is a very nice upgrade from flux core...
When I have to do a lot of MIG welding I put it in 4 so just press once to start and another time when you're done so you're not griping the trigger like crazy and getting cramps and shit
Great video. Give's the newbie's something to think about. Liked your comment's about safety. Each person IS RESPONSIBLE for their own SAFETY. What a concept. When it comes to safety, you don't want a participation certificate, because those are usually done with blood, and injuries.
Nice video. I've occasionally found a job here and there where TIG will out perform MIG time wise, but it's only because of the time required to clean up and grind the welds. I use my wire machine everywhere possible just because it's the one that makes me money. The only time I ever stick weld anything is if I just can't get it close enough to the shop to be able to use wire.
christians131 Actually, yes I have used spray arc in place of short arc, but only on stuff that is a fairly heavy fabrication. The heat input is so high with spray than anything less than about 3/16 and you run the risk of blowing through. As for tig....mostly ornamental stuff that it winds up being quicker when you count grind time plus aesthetics.
I'm a " Satisfied " welder ...... if it holds together I'm satisfied LOLI would love to learn Tig welding and be able to afford the machine but for now my Eastwood 135 Mig is serving me well . great to see the time comparisons , I don't think anyone has ever done that before to share .
How are you liking the Eastwood 135? I have the 175 from eastwood, seemed pretty decent, i had one part go out on it, but they sent me a new one for free.
So far I haven't had any issues with it and I've welded a lot of patch panels on the old 66 F100 and even built an engine stand with it . No regrets at all in buying the Eastwood 135 .
this was a pretty cool video, we already knew the answer, but everyone seems so concerned with these fancy TIG welds nowadays. I just want my welds to be functional! if they look good than that is just a bonus!
im a chassis shop ( from race car chassis and components to motorcycle chassis) here in texas and we're a tig only shop. but MAN!..... there's been a thousand times when i wished i had a mig in here to knock out all the other little work and jobs we take on quickly. good video Gary.
Hey Brian, where in Texas are you? Tig only? Are y'all snobs and look down your nose at all us common folk that like to mig weld? lol Yea, definitely any race car stuff can see why you would tig, but i am sure there are all sorts of small throw away type things like making fixtures, jigs, etc would be handy to bang things out with a mig. Thanks for watching.
HAHAHA!! no sir i never look down on anyone using a mig lol. i love to mig weld i just dont have one. im currantly located in corsicana and im about to relocate to Waxahachie next month. where are you located?
yep theres one other guy here also who does race car work... sorta lol.... he's main focus is with 4 cyl cars tho. we'll have tp meet up some time. id love to see that new building your in.
Did the exact same experiment with a couple of work mates, in a fab shop where we worked. The conclusions we came too. 1. Stainless steel is a big variable ( prep and post welding ) 2. Mig welding is best for sticking metal together for knuckle dragging types. 3 Tig welding is therapy for gentlemen that care about the image they present to the world. LMFAO ! If you want dimes, select DC pulse 1.8 - 2.0 Hz. Add rod hot, move on cold. Love ya videos ( so smooth ) look forward to ya next ones.
Thanks man, agree with everything you said, and thanks for the tip, I really need a machine with pulse! Could I get away with an AHP machine for that, or should I step up and get a miller or lincoln?
🔥Ramsey Customs - turbocobra That's a hard call. I haven't seen or used an AHP machine. And it would probably be fair to say, that Lincoln / Miller are a minority also in this country, although I have used a DX 200 on a small stainless pipe install job, and was well impressed. CIG, ESAB, Kemppi and Fronius are the machines that I'm most familiar with, and I only ever weld stainless steel ( food industry last 10 years ) Price wise, have a look at an ESAB 2200i with T34 panel. Enough features for most applications, and adaptable for gas / water cooled CK torches. Hope that helps. Cheers from down under.
Thanks, I appreciate your demo. I bought a cheep tig, plasma cutter and stick welder. I have used oxy-ace for ever. I'm not a pro. Thought I would like to try before I buy a better unit. Looks like tig if you figure in grind time may be the winner. I believe it's just a mater of what you have and comfortable with! I have seen beautiful tig welds on stainless. Thanks again
Bevel or chanfer your joints, Tig always penetrates better. Tig welding is fun. Great video man. I weld on hyperbaric chambers and have moved to aviation. I do like your shop, getting one set up for personal and side work. Hope it looks as good. Have a good one and keep a fresh burn.
I used to work with welding and I prefer doing TiG welding simply because its more fun. I convinced my supervisors that I could do some of the things we did faster with the TiG and actually proved it. The welding can be done at almost the same speed in steel and stainless if you amp it up (I usually run up to double the recommended amperege on those two and towards three times on aluminium). But where the real gain is that when you do short series the TiG is pretty much spot on if you know what amps you should run for different thickness, so set up is quick for a good weld (we only did quality jobs). And then theres the clean up which is pretty much non existent with TiG so total time is reduced even more.
I went for years first with a gas torch then stick followed by mig.......I resisted tig for a long time but once I started.....the quality of the finish always made me smile....I find that tig is therapeutic and there is real satisfaction admiring the finished work.....however when the speed is required.....the dirty old mig wins all day.
ya they both have their place in fab work, mig is great for speedy work but has its trade off with spatter and precision type work. I normally use autogenous tig for furniture legs since i hate the bump migging leaves and having to grind it off. but i agree! out of position tig vertical up with the foot pedal is an art! ill stick to the basics hehe
Exactly right Tee, once you get all 3 dynamics (torch, filler, pedal) working as one, it truly is an art. One day it clicks and its like you are drawing your bead.
that was the first time ive seen a timed comparison between tig and mig. amazing. i weld exhaust, mufflers and converters for a living. i've always said mig was much faster in production rate. dont get me wrong. i love tig but in terms of how much parts and how fast can i get out the shop mig is the way to go. you got my sub brother
thanks man, and yes you are so right, plus it's so much easier for out of position welding, like you probably do a lot of under cars and trucks, welding overhead, etc
I first owned a TIG. After the slowness of the TIG i bought a MIG. Much easier to weld and faster. You are right that at times a TIG is required. Both are needed
Gary, another nice video. I always enjoy data. I know that my MIG is faster than my TIG, and your results fall inline with what I would expect from my welding. The things that I find myself using TIG for, other than aluminum or stainless, is doing automotive welding when I don't wish to remove lots of interior or near glass, no spatter = no problems; also small high strength welds. Such as capturing a bolt in a plate or a nut. Things that require extremely good penetration and not allot of buildup. Thanks again. R.J.
Well said sir. Agree definitely in automotive welding, I really didn't even want to mig weld on my new fab block tables because of how nasty they are. I think I will eventually get another table and keep it for tig welding only. I sprayed down antispatter and that helps, but still leave black smokey stains and crap every where, lol. thanks for watching.
I like you don't have a $2000 welder if used the Eastwood welder before to do a quarter panel on a 61 impala. Now I have a AHP alpha tig. I tig weld everything I can, while it takes longer I find I save time in grinding. Especially on sheet metal. I also find I run into a lot of pin holes when I mig weld sheetmetal since I have to jump the tacks around so much. Anyways I like these videos even tho I do metalwork for a living I still learn a lot of tips and tricks so thanks for sharing!!
Thanks Ryan, how do you like the AHP? Really been thinking about buying one to get the extra features that my eastwood doesnt have like Pulse for example. Do you use pulse on aluminum or the sheetmetal much?
I really like my ahp. I have a Lincoln 175 square wave I used for years but i need something that could do mobile work with. The AHP works just as well as the Lincoln. Super steady arc, frequency control, even the torch is pretty good. I haven't used the pulse on it. I'm just used to pulsing with my foot if I have to do it. I was leaning toward buying the Eastwood one but I liked the extra features of the AHP and I don't like the foot pedal amperage thing on the Eastwood. All and all it's well worth the money and I'd recommend it. 👍 Ryan
HI Gary, Nice comparison of the two. I do both but, like others have said, they each have their place. Have you used tig on stainless? If you haven't, you will really enjoy it. I use only tig on stainless. I like your style - not trying to impress anyone but putting out good information. Keep up the GREAT work! Take Care, Reid
So, in theory, you’re supposed to snip off the balled tip of the MiG wire every time you make a new weld, even if it’s just a tack. That really slows things down, and I only do it on stainless, and on aluminum, using my spool gun.
I'm thinking of switching to TIG from MIG. Can't afford to rent 2 gas bottles. I'm thinking the gas will cost more and get used more on account of the slower speed.
I'm really highly considering getting an Everlast SuperUltra205 for this reason. TIG Welding looks like so much fun. But it also gives me a plasma cutter and an upgrade (DC) from my current stick welder.
you know of any people who use it regularly? I seem to get a sense that the brand has a good reputation, but can't find too many specific reviews (other than like a dozen on amazon) on that particular model.
I see ChuckE2009 using their stuff a lot, and Jody also. AHP is another brand that is popular, and we help Gerald in CA get one, and I think he had really good results with it. I don't think you can go wrong with either of them. Both chinese inverter machines. Same with Eastwood.
I've never tig welded I wont to try it before I buy it and I didnt know it took 2 times the time to do like I said the first post thanks for the video!!! Great job !!!
depend on what you need and mainly what is the function of the end product and sure what the costumers expectations are. but it is make since you know.
I'd love to see this same comparison done again but include the overall time from start to finish including grinding after. If you have to do less grinding with TIG instead of MIG it may prove to be valuble insight.
Its a great point, I am going to make another comparison video soon with some other suggestions like stainless and aluminum, so i can add in your thought
If time is not a problem, can I do everything that a MIG can do with a TIG? I need one for hobby and with a TIG I can weld aluminium, but I'm afraid I'll miss some possibilities
I just got a miller 220 with mig and tig and finally got around to setting up the tig. I honestly do not get it so far it kinda sucks and comes off more as art rather than a functional productive fabrication process. Im sure it has its place but now that I have done it for a few hours I'm way less impressed. I hope aluminum tig is better and more satisfying. Thank you for the video.
I'm doing A Project right now and The biggest difference is after you wipe the tig but mig you have splatter to clean and grind so thiers more time for clean up for a sweet Finnish Project tig welding is slower but no cleaning almost.and you can re-pool the tack welds with tig mig not so much
How long did it take you to develop the ability to just not contaminate? I just got used to using electrodes that were not a uncontrollable arc but had been contaminated. I did in the past not care about sharpening lengthwise to save time. I have since retrained myself to do it length wise after the angle was done or length wise completely.
If I ever do another car restoration, I will get a Tig. I don't have a lot of welding left to do on my car, so I can't justify a new welder. Nice video Gary.
Well, even if you just want to have fun, improve your fabrication ability, they are really handy, and they have really come down in price... having said that i realize having an extra $800 laying around isn't always the case...
on a thing like a dolly, i'd go mig just because its fast and good enough. if it goes to other stuff, let alone critical applications like medical or foodgrade stuff, you really cant use mig, just because its not clean enough. i mean, the extra time needs to be justified, be it for a flawless look, e.g if something needs to be galvanized, you would see every little spatter, even if you grind it off beforehand ( i get a lot of my metal supply from a company that builds metal stuff for houses, stairs ect with the slightest amount of spatter on it for that reason, wich is good for me). the process you use is determined by the job you do i'd say. you just cant compare the two processes like that, each one has its own advantages and drawbacks.
Great video man, just as I expected twice as fast!!! Hahaha I personally like tig welding I only have a scratch start set up but it's super fun hahaha but I have a millermatic 250 with a 330 cf 75/25 cylinder but again great video good job
That was a great video, appreciate you doing it. I'm just Getting started at welding using a Hobart 140,i really wanted a tig but it was way out of my price range. I have a question about cutting metal with a dry cut/cold cut saw. I bought a makita LC 1230,its a great saw but I have 2 issues with it. The blade is not square to the bed and there is no adjustment to square it up so all my cuts are on slight angle. The blade is about 1/16 to the right off square so I have to prop up the tubing or whatever to make it square to the blade. That's the first issue, the second is when I cut say 16 gauge tubing the sides of the tubing has numerous small gouges that move on an angle into the metal and then the blade corrects itself( or so it appears) and continues to cut straight for a few millimetres and then begins to gouge the metal again. It does this repeatedly until the cut is finished. I've tried going extremely slow to very fast and it seems the faster I go the worse it is but I still can't make it stop. There is absolutely no movement in the cutting head or play in the motor shaft. It's made of thick cast aluminum and very ridgid. The only thing I can think of but not prove yet is blade vibration. It's a stock blade and seems good quality but I noticed on the internet some blades have relief cuts in them and described in the adv. as being for reducing vibration. I've returned the saw once and the second one does the same thing. Do you have any experience with this issue or thoughts, I'm fed up. I'd buy a cold saw if I could afford it or a good quality bandsaw. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
Mig Tig Gas and Arc over the last 20 years I have used all of them, I now tenned to go for mig pretty much all the time, if you have a good mig plant you do not need a tig plant or arc and who uses gas any more, I cut with a plasma cutter and weld ally and stainless with mig. Speed time cost mig all the way and you can get real nice looking welds with a mig like anything else with a bit of practice.
Hi I'm new to this. Actually at 14 , I'm new to everything lol. But could you tell me which weld is stronger? Would a gas-less flux core mig be just as good and as fast do you thinks? Thank you so much for being older than me lol.
Not sure I exactly understand your question. I think tig welding gives you the ability to pinpiont the arc and there for have a lot better control over the heat, and the heat affected zone HAZ.
🔥Ramsey Customs - turbocobra yea that is what i was getting at, it seems the tig welder has less heat marks in the metal, Mig welding seems to cook the surrounding metal more
Not sure which machine your talking about? I have the little small hydraulic hole punch and the hydraulic press brake, is it one of those, or are you talking about the welding table with the holes in it?
+🔥Ramsey Customs - turbocobra it's a hydraulic press bending machine. we used to work plate bending. I need to attach working table with machine for resting the plates.
good comparison Gary. I wonder - after you factor in all the fab time, what's the percent of savings on mig vs tig. I bet its around a 1% difference in total fab time. And like you said, when you grind, the Tig cleans up faster... Hmm...
Good question. I think your right, most of the time, you spend 90% of the total time of the project, cutting, grinding, fitting, 10% welding, so 50% faster on 10% of the overall work, 5% of the total time, so yea to your point, it's a very small difference. Then you factor in that alot of times you don't need to grind tig welds, so save another 4% on grinding and your down to your 1%.
With welding, it's a lot faster to remove metal than to put it on. So, I'd try to get as little filler as possible. You answered my question with this video, thanks!
I've been looking at getting a tig for mainly steel from about 1mm - 5mm, and some thinner ali. Any reason I should avoid a tig over mig? Other than it's harder to learn.
I use mig to weld exhaust pipe the trick is using gas and .022 to .024 wire. The advantages are 110 electricity, less expensive machine and portability.
Good point Josh, tacking with Mig can be handy if your not in a position to clamp it so you can hold it with one hand and tack with the other. Otherwise, mig tacks can kind of be bulky and can show up in a final weld... at least thats what I have seen...
I'd like to try TIG one day..I learnt to weld with Oxy Cet back in the day and I guess it's more controlled and precise similar deal..Heat and add filler.
I hace a few videos of me welding aluminum, but not really how to videos. But I do have a mig spool gun, so I could do the same test with tig vs. mig welding
You will want to match it up to whatever the thickness is of the panel your welding on. You can get a little thickness gauge on amazon or most metal stores have them. If its an order car, its probably 18-20 gauge, newer cars will be 20-22 gauge.
Well in a welding ship fire is always a possibility. A rag laying on a welding table caught fire just this last week, but I wasnt afraid, I am not afraid of anything.
Tig is for the new beginners it is easy way to start welding and less intimidating ,now i have seen tig welds fail crack right up the middle . I have stick welded inside of water jackets in blast furnaces for years as well as mig ,they are fine for low stress environments. But i would not want to try welding some 1 inch plate joints together with it ,and ask it to hold.
Oh man, I am glad you left this comment, from now on I am going to tell me people my basic, not exactly perfect tig welds are on purpose! Seriously, I didn't think of it like that, but it does make sense.
You are absolutely correct, while the stack of dimes may look "pretty" as you say, the ripples create stress raisers and also root and side wall penetration is reduced in uniformity and ultimately reduces the strength and integrity of a weld joint. I have stated this to many welders who just don't believe or accept this - just shows you how ignorant the welding world still is.
If you've never welded? You'll have more control with TIG, but that also means you'll have more ways to mess up! lol I've been hobby welding for years and got a TIG machine so I could work with Aluminum and Stainless... I'm no better a welder with it, but when the stars align on "all those damn dials" and I get the right travel speed and beat input, it looks really nice. If your budget can manage a TIG machine I'd go for it, and if you plan to ever work with aluminum then spring for ac. The Eastwood and Everlast entry machines have enough features to keep up with most projects, though you'll need to spend a bit more money if you need good LoW amp capability for pop cans and razor blades.
It's a great machine for the price point. I have had it 2 years, only issue i have had is the foot pedal has developed a short in it. I wish it had pulse. If i were looking at getting a new tig machine, i would look at the AHP, around the same price but has a lot more features including pulse.
ARGON and TIG ;) I don't weld MIG in My work and I don't like do it. What Ratio? I don't know how big element of SS you weld. I will search work in UK on january :)
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I'm a Fitter-Welder, My Boss prefers that I Mig everything i can because it is faster. He says that I'm costing him more money If i don't do it FAST enough. But there are weld types where Tig out performs Mig. 3mm welds with Mig with 0.9mm wire(.035") are basically impossible. So welds on 2 to 3mm thick material Tig is best. Alluminium is way easier with Tig than Mig, and it looks better. Special material, Stainless steel, (especially thin material) and I do Stellite welding (a Cobalt based hard material) There is no such thing as Stellite in Mig, (it is too brittle to make it in a thin wire). Tig is more accurate, you can put a small spot just where you need it and not all over the place. Tig has no spatter so therefore it is a cleaner method.
I am just getting into MIG welding now, having recently upgraded from a HF flux core and what a difference, but I find my biggest challenge is keeping a steady hand and finding ways to rest my hand on something to control my welds. I guess being 67 years old doesn't help much with the steady hands thing either. I am thinking about a TIG welder for the future and watching you do your projects has been a help and encouragement. Thanks Gary.
You got it George, 2 main keys, keep a steady and, being able to see what your doing really well. For the longest time i needed readers, my welding sucked! Just recently had to upgrade to a +3 on the readers. 67, piece of cake, your just getting started good! And yes, the gas mig welding is a very nice upgrade from flux core...
When I have to do a lot of MIG welding I put it in 4 so just press once to start and another time when you're done so you're not griping the trigger like crazy and getting cramps and shit
Great video. Give's the newbie's something to think about. Liked your comment's about safety. Each person IS RESPONSIBLE for their own SAFETY. What a concept. When it comes to safety, you don't want a participation certificate, because those are usually done with blood, and injuries.
Nice video. I've occasionally found a job here and there where TIG will out perform MIG time wise, but it's only because of the time required to clean up and grind the welds. I use my wire machine everywhere possible just because it's the one that makes me money. The only time I ever stick weld anything is if I just can't get it close enough to the shop to be able to use wire.
That makes sense. Where have you found tig to be faster and have you ever used spray arc in place of short circuit mig?
christians131 Actually, yes I have used spray arc in place of short arc, but only on stuff that is a fairly heavy fabrication. The heat input is so high with spray than anything less than about 3/16 and you run the risk of blowing through. As for tig....mostly ornamental stuff that it winds up being quicker when you count grind time plus aesthetics.
lol that's because you don't know how to weld. Tig will never be faster than mig. if the welder knows what his doing. this is a stupid comment.
I'm a " Satisfied " welder ...... if it holds together I'm satisfied LOLI would love to learn Tig welding and be able to afford the machine but for now my Eastwood 135 Mig is serving me well . great to see the time comparisons , I don't think anyone has ever done that before to share .
How are you liking the Eastwood 135? I have the 175 from eastwood, seemed pretty decent, i had one part go out on it, but they sent me a new one for free.
So far I haven't had any issues with it and I've welded a lot of patch panels on the old 66 F100 and even built an engine stand with it . No regrets at all in buying the Eastwood 135 .
this was a pretty cool video, we already knew the answer, but everyone seems so concerned with these fancy TIG welds nowadays. I just want my welds to be functional! if they look good than that is just a bonus!
well said Shane!
im a chassis shop ( from race car chassis and components to motorcycle chassis) here in texas and we're a tig only shop. but MAN!..... there's been a thousand times when i wished i had a mig in here to knock out all the other little work and jobs we take on quickly. good video Gary.
Hey Brian, where in Texas are you? Tig only? Are y'all snobs and look down your nose at all us common folk that like to mig weld? lol Yea, definitely any race car stuff can see why you would tig, but i am sure there are all sorts of small throw away type things like making fixtures, jigs, etc would be handy to bang things out with a mig. Thanks for watching.
HAHAHA!! no sir i never look down on anyone using a mig lol. i love to mig weld i just dont have one. im currantly located in corsicana and im about to relocate to Waxahachie next month. where are you located?
Small world, I am in Corsicana also. Didn't realize there was a chassis shop here!
yep theres one other guy here also who does race car work... sorta lol.... he's main focus is with 4 cyl cars tho. we'll have tp meet up some time. id love to see that new building your in.
Add clean up time to the equation and it might be different :) especially in hard to reach places Ive increased productivity by going tig over mig
yes sir, excellent point.
So nice. It makes me want to get a tig welding machine. Right now I'm using a gasless mig because it's convenient.
I just bought a Multi Process for my home so I can learn TIG. I started with stick and then learned mig but at 45 I now can learn TIG.
Stick for ease and strength, MIG for speed and ease, TIG for looks and exotic metals
TIG welds are as strong as stick, sometimes stronger, but stick is easier and faster.
Did the exact same experiment with a couple of work mates, in a fab shop where we worked.
The conclusions we came too. 1. Stainless steel is a big variable ( prep and post welding ) 2. Mig welding is best for sticking metal together for knuckle dragging types. 3 Tig welding is therapy for gentlemen that care about the image they present to the world. LMFAO !
If you want dimes, select DC pulse 1.8 - 2.0 Hz. Add rod hot, move on cold.
Love ya videos ( so smooth ) look forward to ya next ones.
Thanks man, agree with everything you said, and thanks for the tip, I really need a machine with pulse! Could I get away with an AHP machine for that, or should I step up and get a miller or lincoln?
🔥Ramsey Customs - turbocobra That's a hard call.
I haven't seen or used an AHP machine.
And it would probably be fair to say, that Lincoln / Miller are a minority also in this country, although I have used a DX 200 on a small stainless pipe install job, and was well impressed.
CIG, ESAB, Kemppi and Fronius are the machines that I'm most familiar with, and I only ever weld stainless steel ( food industry last 10 years )
Price wise, have a look at an ESAB 2200i with T34 panel.
Enough features for most applications, and adaptable for gas / water cooled CK torches.
Hope that helps. Cheers from down under.
The TIG is slower but is way more satisfying to do. Always feel more involved TIG welding and enjoy the results more.
Well said thanks Andrew
Thanks, I appreciate your demo. I bought a cheep tig, plasma cutter and stick welder. I have used oxy-ace for ever. I'm not a pro. Thought I would like to try before I buy a better unit. Looks like tig if you figure in grind time may be the winner. I believe it's just a mater of what you have and comfortable with! I have seen beautiful tig welds on stainless. Thanks again
Bevel or chanfer your joints, Tig always penetrates better. Tig welding is fun. Great video man. I weld on hyperbaric chambers and have moved to aviation. I do like your shop, getting one set up for personal and side work. Hope it looks as good. Have a good one and keep a fresh burn.
I used to work with welding and I prefer doing TiG welding simply because its more fun. I convinced my supervisors that I could do some of the things we did faster with the TiG and actually proved it. The welding can be done at almost the same speed in steel and stainless if you amp it up (I usually run up to double the recommended amperege on those two and towards three times on aluminium). But where the real gain is that when you do short series the TiG is pretty much spot on if you know what amps you should run for different thickness, so set up is quick for a good weld (we only did quality jobs). And then theres the clean up which is pretty much non existent with TiG so total time is reduced even more.
Cool man, glad to hear from another guy that likes to tig weld!
I went for years first with a gas torch then stick followed by mig.......I resisted tig for a long time but once I started.....the quality of the finish always made me smile....I find that tig is therapeutic and there is real satisfaction admiring the finished work.....however when the speed is required.....the dirty old mig wins all day.
Well said, definitely agree with you
ya they both have their place in fab work, mig is great for speedy work but has its trade off with spatter and precision type work. I normally use autogenous tig for furniture legs since i hate the bump migging leaves and having to grind it off. but i agree! out of position tig vertical up with the foot pedal is an art! ill stick to the basics hehe
Well said... and yes, me too, no vert up hill tig for me!
Exactly right Tee, once you get all 3 dynamics (torch, filler, pedal) working as one, it truly is an art. One day it clicks and its like you are drawing your bead.
Thanks for the comparison Gary. I have no TIG set so my MIG and Oxy acetylene bottles will have to do me for now. regards from the UK
Thanks Gary
that was the first time ive seen a timed comparison between tig and mig. amazing. i weld exhaust, mufflers and converters for a living. i've always said mig was much faster in production rate. dont get me wrong. i love tig but in terms of how much parts and how fast can i get out the shop mig is the way to go. you got my sub brother
thanks man, and yes you are so right, plus it's so much easier for out of position welding, like you probably do a lot of under cars and trucks, welding overhead, etc
Great info on both processes Gary.
I always used mig for speed and tig for beauty.
Thanks for the video. :-)
Thanks Cecil, well said!
I first owned a TIG. After the slowness of the TIG i bought a MIG. Much easier to weld and faster. You are right that at times
a TIG is required. Both are needed
Well said, thanks John
Gary, another nice video. I always enjoy data. I know that my MIG is faster than my TIG, and your results fall inline with what I would expect from my welding. The things that I find myself using TIG for, other than aluminum or stainless, is doing automotive welding when I don't wish to remove lots of interior or near glass, no spatter = no problems; also small high strength welds. Such as capturing a bolt in a plate or a nut. Things that require extremely good penetration and not allot of buildup. Thanks again. R.J.
Well said sir. Agree definitely in automotive welding, I really didn't even want to mig weld on my new fab block tables because of how nasty they are. I think I will eventually get another table and keep it for tig welding only. I sprayed down antispatter and that helps, but still leave black smokey stains and crap every where, lol. thanks for watching.
Sledgehammer v scalpel. TIG is the artist’s tool of choice ☺️ - were you using a foot pump?
Very nice video Sir.... thanks for sharing your knowledge!!! Greetings from Argentina.
I like you don't have a $2000 welder if used the Eastwood welder before to do a quarter panel on a 61 impala. Now I have a AHP alpha tig. I tig weld everything I can, while it takes longer I find I save time in grinding. Especially on sheet metal. I also find I run into a lot of pin holes when I mig weld sheetmetal since I have to jump the tacks around so much. Anyways I like these videos even tho I do metalwork for a living I still learn a lot of tips and tricks so thanks for sharing!!
Thanks Ryan, how do you like the AHP? Really been thinking about buying one to get the extra features that my eastwood doesnt have like Pulse for example. Do you use pulse on aluminum or the sheetmetal much?
I really like my ahp. I have a Lincoln 175 square wave I used for years but i need something that could do mobile work with. The AHP works just as well as the Lincoln. Super steady arc, frequency control, even the torch is pretty good. I haven't used the pulse on it. I'm just used to pulsing with my foot if I have to do it. I was leaning toward buying the Eastwood one but I liked the extra features of the AHP and I don't like the foot pedal amperage thing on the Eastwood. All and all it's well worth the money and I'd recommend it. 👍
Ryan
HI Gary,
Nice comparison of the two. I do both but, like others have said, they each have their place. Have you used tig on stainless? If you haven't, you will really enjoy it. I use only tig on stainless. I like your style - not trying to impress anyone but putting out good information. Keep up the GREAT work!
Take Care,
Reid
Thanks Reid. Yes, the last 2-3 videos I have tig welded stainless. I like it a lot also! Thanks Reid!
Thanks for the tips Gary, you have shown me a lot buddy so for that I say "Thank You" Really enjoy all your videos.....
Thanks Buddy, appreciate you watching!
So, in theory, you’re supposed to snip off the balled tip of the MiG wire every time you make a new weld, even if it’s just a tack. That really slows things down, and I only do it on stainless, and on aluminum, using my spool gun.
Is all about how tick is the material and how much penetration you get on mig and tig
I'm thinking of switching to TIG from MIG. Can't afford to rent 2 gas bottles. I'm thinking the gas will cost more and get used more on account of the slower speed.
I'm really highly considering getting an Everlast SuperUltra205 for this reason. TIG Welding looks like so much fun. But it also gives me a plasma cutter and an upgrade (DC) from my current stick welder.
Yea I have seen that machine, really hard to beat it.
you know of any people who use it regularly? I seem to get a sense that the brand has a good reputation, but can't find too many specific reviews (other than like a dozen on amazon) on that particular model.
I see ChuckE2009 using their stuff a lot, and Jody also. AHP is another brand that is popular, and we help Gerald in CA get one, and I think he had really good results with it. I don't think you can go wrong with either of them. Both chinese inverter machines. Same with Eastwood.
I really appreciate your video and how u did every part of it thanks for that !!!
I've never tig welded I wont to try it before I buy it and I didnt know it took 2 times the time to do like I said the first post thanks for the video!!! Great job !!!
depend on what you need and mainly what is the function of the end product and sure what the costumers expectations are.
but it is make since you know.
I'd love to see this same comparison done again but include the overall time from start to finish including grinding after. If you have to do less grinding with TIG instead of MIG it may prove to be valuble insight.
Its a great point, I am going to make another comparison video soon with some other suggestions like stainless and aluminum, so i can add in your thought
Looking forward to seeing it. Thank you for the videos!
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If time is not a problem, can I do everything that a MIG can do with a TIG? I need one for hobby and with a TIG I can weld aluminium, but I'm afraid I'll miss some possibilities
I would love to try Tig welding. Maybe I should fly down to Texas and get some lessons :)
Come on down Jerry, we will have you stacking dimes in no time. even though I can't stack dimes, I can tell you how to do it so you can! lol
I just got a miller 220 with mig and tig and finally got around to setting up the tig. I honestly do not get it so far it kinda sucks and comes off more as art rather than a functional productive fabrication process. Im sure it has its place but now that I have done it for a few hours I'm way less impressed. I hope aluminum tig is better and more satisfying. Thank you for the video.
Another great video Gary! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks Rick!
I'm doing A Project right now and The biggest difference is after you wipe the tig but mig you have splatter to clean and grind so thiers more time for clean up for a sweet Finnish Project tig welding is slower but no cleaning almost.and you can re-pool the tack welds with tig mig not so much
Never used tig before, so cant say nothing except nice1 for the vid and showing the difference ;)
Thanks man, hopefully you will get to try the tig some day, its fun once you get the hang of it.
I started with mig. then tig few years ago I got into stick.. ALL have their place. I think if your new learn stick first.
How long did it take you to develop the ability to just not contaminate? I just got used to using electrodes that were not a uncontrollable arc but had been contaminated. I did in the past not care about sharpening lengthwise to save time. I have since retrained myself to do it length wise after the angle was done or length wise completely.
If I ever do another car restoration, I will get a Tig. I don't have a lot of welding left to do on my car, so I can't justify a new welder. Nice video Gary.
Well, even if you just want to have fun, improve your fabrication ability, they are really handy, and they have really come down in price... having said that i realize having an extra $800 laying around isn't always the case...
this is a solid video bruh - no bs
Haven't tried TIG but based on this I really want to.
Do it John! Get a tig welder and don't look back!
Thank so much sir for this review
on a thing like a dolly, i'd go mig just because its fast and good enough. if it goes to other stuff, let alone critical applications like medical or foodgrade stuff, you really cant use mig, just because its not clean enough.
i mean, the extra time needs to be justified, be it for a flawless look, e.g if something needs to be galvanized, you would see every little spatter, even if you grind it off beforehand ( i get a lot of my metal supply from a company that builds metal stuff for houses, stairs ect with the slightest amount of spatter on it for that reason, wich is good for me).
the process you use is determined by the job you do i'd say. you just cant compare the two processes like that, each one has its own advantages and drawbacks.
I'm in automotive and I'm going to be custom fabrication a truck which welder should I buy Tig or mig please help
Спасибо за видео, помогло отчасти определиться с выбором.
Great video man, just as I expected twice as fast!!! Hahaha I personally like tig welding I only have a scratch start set up but it's super fun hahaha but I have a millermatic 250 with a 330 cf 75/25 cylinder but again great video good job
Nice! Thanks man
That was a great video, appreciate you doing it. I'm just Getting started at welding using a Hobart 140,i really wanted a tig but it was way out of my price range. I have a question about cutting metal with a dry cut/cold cut saw. I bought a makita LC 1230,its a great saw but I have 2 issues with it. The blade is not square to the bed and there is no adjustment to square it up so all my cuts are on slight angle. The blade is about 1/16 to the right off square so I have to prop up the tubing or whatever to make it square to the blade. That's the first issue, the second is when I cut say 16 gauge tubing the sides of the tubing has numerous small gouges that move on an angle into the metal and then the blade corrects itself( or so it appears) and continues to cut straight for a few millimetres and then begins to gouge the metal again. It does this repeatedly until the cut is finished. I've tried going extremely slow to very fast and it seems the faster I go the worse it is but I still can't make it stop. There is absolutely no movement in the cutting head or play in the motor shaft. It's made of thick cast aluminum and very ridgid. The only thing I can think of but not prove yet is blade vibration. It's a stock blade and seems good quality but I noticed on the internet some blades have relief cuts in them and described in the adv. as being for reducing vibration. I've returned the saw once and the second one does the same thing. Do you have any experience with this issue or thoughts, I'm fed up. I'd buy a cold saw if I could afford it or a good quality bandsaw. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
always wondered now I know mig vs tig thanks
Really cool and simple explanation Thanks.
Thanks for watching :)
Cool comparison ! Thanks
Thanks sir.
Mig Tig Gas and Arc over the last 20 years I have used all of them, I now tenned to go for mig pretty much all the time, if you have a good mig plant you do not need a tig plant or arc and who uses gas any more, I cut with a plasma cutter and weld ally and stainless with mig. Speed time cost mig all the way and you can get real nice looking welds with a mig like anything else with a bit of practice.
Well said, thanks man!
which is stronger
What is the advantage of this "stack of dimes" weld anyways? Isn't it better to just have a clean consistent weld?
Nice job as always Gary!
Thanks Pete!
When 50% of your time is your movement without actively welding, it really is not a valid comparison. Just an observation.
for stacks use a dab and move dab and move technique
Hi I'm new to this. Actually at 14 , I'm new to everything lol. But could you tell me which weld is stronger? Would a gas-less flux core mig be just as good and as fast do you thinks? Thank you so much for being older than me lol.
Great learning Video. Bob
Thanks Bob, appreciate it.
Does TIG welding reduce the heat that travels away from the welding area?
Not sure I exactly understand your question. I think tig welding gives you the ability to pinpiont the arc and there for have a lot better control over the heat, and the heat affected zone HAZ.
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yea that is what i was getting at, it seems the tig welder has less heat marks in the metal, Mig welding seems to cook the surrounding metal more
Yes, your exactly right. With the foot petal and a tungsten electrode ground to a point, you can really control the pinpoint the heat
much more useful.... can you give some idea about hydraulic press machine working table...
Not sure which machine your talking about? I have the little small hydraulic hole punch and the hydraulic press brake, is it one of those, or are you talking about the welding table with the holes in it?
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it's a hydraulic press bending machine. we used to work plate bending. I need to attach working table with machine for resting the plates.
You are rite on man!
what is the name of the table.? I would like has more information!
and what about nice settings ? where is your post gaz after tig welding dude ?
Thank u for ur video sir can we use Tig for repair the car or MiG better?
either one
That was really cool. Thanks for putting this together. Is there any difference between the two in terms of strength?
Thanks Rino! Good question, As long as both are fully penetrated, no i don't think there is a differece.
Thanks, good video.
good comparison Gary. I wonder - after you factor in all the fab time, what's the percent of savings on mig vs tig. I bet its around a 1% difference in total fab time. And like you said, when you grind, the Tig cleans up faster... Hmm...
Good question. I think your right, most of the time, you spend 90% of the total time of the project, cutting, grinding, fitting, 10% welding, so 50% faster on 10% of the overall work, 5% of the total time, so yea to your point, it's a very small difference. Then you factor in that alot of times you don't need to grind tig welds, so save another 4% on grinding and your down to your 1%.
With welding, it's a lot faster to remove metal than to put it on. So, I'd try to get as little filler as possible.
You answered my question with this video, thanks!
I've been looking at getting a tig for mainly steel from about 1mm - 5mm, and some thinner ali.
Any reason I should avoid a tig over mig? Other than it's harder to learn.
I use mig to weld exhaust pipe the trick is using gas and .022 to .024 wire. The advantages are 110 electricity, less expensive machine and portability.
Olá, gostei muito do vídeo, obrigado por compartilhar.
I like tig, may not be as fast!! but you save on clean up time !,,
Mig for long runs. Tig for short runs
mig its good for general purpose and tig for pipe 😊
Yes sir, I know pipe a lot of time is done with a tig root and stick for fill and cover.
honestly i prefer to TIG all most everything i can but mig has its place and a lot of the time i will tack with the mig and then tig the remainder
Good point Josh, tacking with Mig can be handy if your not in a position to clamp it so you can hold it with one hand and tack with the other. Otherwise, mig tacks can kind of be bulky and can show up in a final weld... at least thats what I have seen...
I'd like to try TIG one day..I learnt to weld with Oxy Cet back in the day and I guess it's more controlled and precise similar deal..Heat and add filler.
Yea if you have done the Oxy fuel welding you would like Tig! thanks Zig. Or maybe you should invent your own kind of welding... Zig Welding? :)
Confusion welding.?
Good stuff, nice to know
Thanks Ron
MIG = Electric glue gun.
I can't get egg welder out my head now 😁
In short circuit, I agree. Do some spray transfer. I only spray transfer nowadays. Much Faster, and penetration is also deeper.
Mig for dough--Tig for Show
Nice video! If you have how to welding aluminium video? :)
I hace a few videos of me welding aluminum, but not really how to videos. But I do have a mig spool gun, so I could do the same test with tig vs. mig welding
nice! Thx! :)
hi,i want to use a tig welder on my car restoration what kind of filler should i use?thanls
For steel panels, ER70-S6. Alternatively you could tig braze it with silicon bronze, but probably best to stick with the ER70-S6
+🔥Ramsey Customs - turbocobra and what steel sheet thickness should i use
thanks again 😉
You will want to match it up to whatever the thickness is of the panel your welding on. You can get a little thickness gauge on amazon or most metal stores have them. If its an order car, its probably 18-20 gauge, newer cars will be 20-22 gauge.
Open foam in the welding shop. nice. Are not you afraid of a fire?
Well in a welding ship fire is always a possibility. A rag laying on a welding table caught fire just this last week, but I wasnt afraid, I am not afraid of anything.
I wonder after cleaning the weld how much MIG would be faster?
Good point Johnny
Still way faster
realy good video
thank you sir
Witch one is also the cheapest.
Tig is for the new beginners it is easy way to start welding and less intimidating ,now i have seen tig welds fail crack right up the middle .
I have stick welded inside of water jackets in blast furnaces for years as well as mig ,they are fine for low stress environments.
But i would not want to try welding some 1 inch plate joints together with it ,and ask it to hold.
yes mig is much faster but keep in mind how much time you waste cleaning the contaminated part ... tig time clean nice and more expensive lol
Stacking dimes is not always a good thing, each ripple in a "stack of dimes" weld is a stress riser where a weld can fail.
Oh man, I am glad you left this comment, from now on I am going to tell me people my basic, not exactly perfect tig welds are on purpose! Seriously, I didn't think of it like that, but it does make sense.
Dude, show me where, in any code book the section where you got that info about where dimes with TIG failing.
You are absolutely correct, while the stack of dimes may look "pretty" as you say, the ripples create stress raisers and also root and side wall penetration is reduced in uniformity and ultimately reduces the strength and integrity of a weld joint. I have stated this to many welders who just don't believe or accept this - just shows you how ignorant the welding world still is.
Hello David Richards
X100!!!
Too many waste time worrying about "form" (looking pretty) when they should concentrating on "function" (strength).
Nice :) but TIG is better always
Im 16 and wanna build things What do you recomend
Mostly steel and stainless steel exaust (thin walls)
If you've never welded? You'll have more control with TIG, but that also means you'll have more ways to mess up! lol
I've been hobby welding for years and got a TIG machine so I could work with Aluminum and Stainless... I'm no better a welder with it, but when the stars align on "all those damn dials" and I get the right travel speed and beat input, it looks really nice.
If your budget can manage a TIG machine I'd go for it, and if you plan to ever work with aluminum then spring for ac. The Eastwood and Everlast entry machines have enough features to keep up with most projects, though you'll need to spend a bit more money if you need good LoW amp capability for pop cans and razor blades.
David Martin well thanks!
muito bom parabéns
How do you like your eastwood tig 200
It's a great machine for the price point. I have had it 2 years, only issue i have had is the foot pedal has developed a short in it. I wish it had pulse. If i were looking at getting a new tig machine, i would look at the AHP, around the same price but has a lot more features including pulse.
Excuse me , what is AHP???
Thanks you
Stacking dimes takes allot of effort, but the result is worth the effort if a person wants to join the ranks of argon addicts.
stacking dimes is not hard
nice!
I welding stainless steel so only TIG ;)
why? dont u have a mig machine?
We have MIG machine but TIG is more accuracy for my work www. instagram. com/ bogusmisiek/
ARGON and TIG ;) I don't weld MIG in My work and I don't like do it. What Ratio? I don't know how big element of SS you weld. I will search work in UK on january :)
stack doms?
why you d'ont show us how you make your job?
How i make what job?
i need to see how you welding, the technic of Welding!
not in fast motion
I see, well, I am not the best person to watch for technique, checkout weld.com or weldingtipsandtricks.com for some really good technique videos
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