I think this line is more complicated than just the queen (alice's reason/logic) being an absolutist. I think it really means that if you cannot control(think, do) yourself then someone else will.
@@rebeccalopez658 It means exactly what it sounds like. They're a madwoman who happens to be beautiful. If Bumby had actually managed to break Alice, he would've pimped her out to anyone willing to pay just like he did to the children from the orphanage and nobody would stop him because nobody cares about a bunch of forgotten mental patients (the gruesome sights in the Rutledge Asylum already make that fact quite obvious).
man cheeto I opened this game on my ps3 as a 9year old not knowing what it was. needless to say 10 minutes in I shut the game and never opened it again. gave me trauma HAHAHAH
@@blegh3023 as a kid i was actually fascinated by these things despite me being stuck on it weeks later and being scared out of my mind! I guess we all have preferences huh lol
Considering what was considered "mentally disturbed" in the victorian era there were way too many people punished and tortured by the mental institutions.
I remember watching my dad play this game as a kid. I always thought this game was a part of my dreams but then I found a playthrough of it. This was a very underrated game.
I saw my uncle play this when I was seven. A year or maybe two later I somehow managed to download it and play it Best decision ever made I burned all my dolls afterwards
I love how they talk. Like, Alice's insults to Bumby are probably meant to be really, well, insulting, but all I can think is, "God, she's so articulate."
It is called the "Victorian Era" for Alice it would around 1800s. Lewis Carroll was an excellent writer of his time so i would hope his adaptation would live up to his work. *FUN FACT*: Lewis Carroll wasn't a writer originally he was a mathematician
+SLH86 The fellow who goes by American Mcgee, creator of the first game (equally disturbing) is actually trying to raise money on "kickstart" right now to make a 3rd. He wants to take it a slightly different direction. I have trouble visualizing what that could even look like. Apart from the best fucking thing since this game...
The line "make your survival mean something" hits me every time, It speaks to me like "Don't just fucking survive - LIVE to tell the story" basically. Amazing.
That's why I can't take anyone seriously who thinks these games are just edgy for the heck of it. The dialogue alone shows how much attention and care American McGee shows when it comes to representing the struggles of trauma and mental illness.
This is actually a harmful sentiment to place on survivors because it puts an obligation on their survival and lives, not cos they want to, but because other people want to make a feel-good platitude at no cost to themselves.
exactly, im kinda shocked but this is one of the games that makes me realise more stylised styles last longer than realistic graphics. i remembered gta 5 looking so great back when it came out but now, it looks a little dated.
well, the true story, of from whom the story Alice in Wonderland was created,explains why it's so dark , i wont spoiler it, but maybe you should check out, WHO , wrote the story alice in wonderland and where, then you'll probs avoid it,
I managed to play this game when I was young, it was terrifying. But something about it charmed me, I wish there was a remastered version or a sequel to this beautiful game.
Why is no one talking about what the bastard did to lizzie? Maybe it's just me, but those lines got to me. The way he talked about her "wanting" him, the line, "your sister wasn't talking in her sleep" that was horrifying!
@@jillie_boe_legweak2487 your half right he had raped lizzy but had realised that he killed her accidentally and started the fire to get rid of the evidence of him being there
@@squirrel_food2370 Ew.. oh god.... I didn't realize he had accidentally killed her in the.... process of doing that.. I just assumed he started the fire so that Lizzie wouldn't snitch.
It's kinda heartbreaking how she must either choose insanity or sanity... Either path would just mean to loss that one aspect of herself. Could you live in the loneliness of your madness or in the tragedy of your reality...? To have the balance of both worlds would have been a blessing. Truly.... :(
as an artist, a bad mental state helps me to write but makes me feel like shit. Being okay feels great but gives me no reason to do what i love. i need to find balance between these two
You can be in both worlds, I know it sounds dumb but.... in your fantasy world you can find things you might like to make either its your dream life or the things you want to accomplish the impossible, Imagination is a gift if you know how to use it. Reality is challenging but if you work your way out... Reality can also have positive sides and it will make you happy
After I read American McGee's synopsis of 'Otherlands', I think that yes, that is her actually making her fantasies a reality in a very literal sense. Like magic powers. Because in 'Otherlands' she's going to be able to transfer herself into other people's minds and explore them. She's like...the Knight of Mind. She goes around and instead of talking to people about what hurts them emotionally like a therapist would, she literally jumps into their heads and kills all the bad shit in there, leaving them happier.
I see it like this: Alice is "Mad" do to what that horrible doctor has done to her. Nearly killed her in a fire, unable to save her family, traumatized me, made her think she killed her family, and tried to make her forget. This was all HIS doing. But Alice had one thing that keeps her sane: "The will to find the truth", or as I like to call it: "Her curiosity" *Wink*. Good thing this made her too stubborn to give in, or else she would have completely lost herself.
//spoilers btw for people who want to play the game when you meet the doll maker in the last stage, who is actually just dr. bumbly but more creepy, he turns Alice into a doll like he does to the other children. it's like how he erases the memories of the children at the asylum and then sells them. but i am getting side track, Alice manages to break out of the doll state due to her determination and stubbornness. just like she was unable to let go of the pass which kinda saved her from being trafficked.
I remember I used to wonder what happened when she entered wonderland .. would she just randomly stand still in real life staring into the air or would she collapse or wander around like she does in wonderland
Ik this is old, but her mind although strong is very sensitive to triggers. If she becomes mentally stressed, she goes to wonderland to cope and escape. It can be something as simple as blinding light after coming out of a dark jailhouse like in the transition from Oriental Grove to Cardbridge (the caterpillar chapter to the red queen chapter).
@@dear.kittyboy There was actually so many content in this game that was never finished due to time constraints. There were cutscenes where Alice would kill Pris Witless the pigeon lady while she was hallucinating and this would trigger the sequence where Alice would jump from roof to roof until she falls on the river and ends up on the Mermaid bar.
this is what i understand from the ending; She was I guess too scared of admiting the truth(the abuse). So she tried to forget it by the doctors orders and create a wonderland. but her subconscious was demanding her not to forget (this happans to everyone btw it's not just the game) and her recreation of the wonderland was so forceful that it merged with her very loud subconsciousnes. and When she finally remembered it was because of the wonderland(her subconscious) so by rembering she blended the wonderland(the hidden truth) with her reality. so now her new world has very nasty memories and those memories came with the wonderland.
Personally I like to think she remembered before that when she confronted him and transforming into her wonderland outfit was partially to signify her courage to act and partially literal transformation into wonderland dress, I mean doctor looked surprised. Maybe she really transformed before his eyes, maybe she can bring out stuff from wonderland when she is in control. I mean it is probably meant as metaphorical transformation, but if she literally could bring out things from wonderland then it would be even more interesting.
The images and scenes from the Alice Madness game speak for themselves. Alice is essentially dragged into a bottomless pit under the earth, into the world beyond the mirror, a dimension that unites two worlds (real world and spirit world) or into the abyss (hell disguised as Eden with trees of light and wonderful flowers and bright colors). The one who drags the girl on this journey of no return is the white rabbit, or the manipulator / t*rt*rer, who through *b*se (even repeated) pushes the *b*sed to enter a state of mental dissociation. Wonderland is the place where the mind of mind control victims escapes during *b*se. Basically all of this is a mixture of esotericism and spiritualism, since the white rabbit is the equivalent of Charon the ferryman of souls.
It's still in the conceptualizing stage. Far from actually making the game. Follow American McGee's social medias (Facebook, Twitter, TH-cam, etc) and Patreon for updates. He also sometimes does a live stream to show the progress while playing the A:MR.
My fantasy already has gotten the best of me. I can't make myself happy in real world activities. I can only feel content in the worlds of the things I watch and read and in the worlds of the stories I write. It sucks, to say the least. Depression sucks. Ugh I'm so pathetic.
@@lupintheiii6709 looking back on this months later, it was a bit edgy lmao. However, I still sometimes keep myself sane by somewhat living in a fantasy
People are confused by the dress and the kill: She didn’t really have the dress on. Listen to what the Angus said: “You won’t move against me, I’ve made sure of that”. He used his pseudo-hypnosis to make her unable to be hostile to him. The dress is her manifesting her Wonderland; she is in her own headspace, and not the one Angus put her in, therefore immune to his hypnosis. That’s why he’s so shocked, before he dies
It must have been so horrible for those people. I feel so bad for those patients. Even today many mental health institutions have disgusting and often human-trafficking or other-wise horrifying motives.
Yup people usually develop severe mental illness from abuse and we never do anything to these people but abuse them even more in a never-ending torturous loop. At least we have pills now, I suppose.
Alice Madness Returns is the first game that ever made me feel sick or exhausted,and I got to say it’s because I’ve never played a game with such a deep meaning and gory plot.Though I would say this game is gorgeous in its own way,happy to report that the game is my favorite☺️☺️☺️
Just played it and beaten it, and let me tell you that Chapter 5 was so unsettling, I've never been so uneasy by a location (especially when handling the levers) and really wanted to finish the area as soon as possible. I've never had a game made me feel that way, not that it is a bad thing.
Well, there can still be hope. Look at the Zero Escape series, for example. Zero Time Dilemma wouldn't have been made if it weren't for the support of its fans. Look at Disgaea. People said that a PC port would never happen, and yet it got relased in 2016 (now, if it's an unstable or not unstable relase, that's another thing).
Hundreds of years ago one thought regarding severe mental illness was that a rock was inside their skull. Imagine how many people died having their heads cracked open while the dr looked for a rock.
Explaining the ending: Throughout the game, it is implied that the therapist played a crucial role in Alice's madness and her family's death, which is confirmed towards the ending. When she interrogates the queen, who warns that something else, besides the infernal train, must be taken care of, she is sent to the asylum, where she learns that the madness will be near impossible to recover from. After traversing through the dollhouse and confronting the heinous Dollmaker, the embodiment of Bumbly's influence, his wonderland companions converse with her one last time. They belittle her for ignoring the suffering of those around her, caused by Bumbly, until it was too late. This makes her partially responsible for what's been happening, as she failed to act. She is reminded that in order to save her own soul and memories, she must destroy the train. She does, and the Dollmaker. Awakening and confronting Bumbly with the realization that Bumbly has made herself and others suffer, she decides to do what she should have done before, exact justice. Unfortunately, the locals believe her indeed too mad to know the truth, but it doesn't matter; she takes matters into her own hands and deliver rather ironic justice. From here, it is implied that she is in control of reality, but Cheshire sermons that she is unable to return to it. Either way, she has come to terms with the truth, and the damaged Wonderland is, for the time being, safe in memory.
@@No_user22 her sister was raped by bumby and died with Alice's parents in the fire that Bumby used to cover up his crimes on that day. He also planned to either have his way with Alice or sell her to pedos but she never ended up in a state where he thought she'd be bought or that would satisfy him to go all the way with so he just stuck to fucking with her memories.
@@Karak-_- yeah, I think it’s reaching for meaning. When she eats cake (confidence) and kills executioner (rage and desire for revenge) she didn’t actually killed her desire for revenge, did she? Everything can be symbolic, but it doesn’t mean that those symbols are coherent. If the wonderland happens during her mental episodes what does the ending transformation and London mean? Especially when the cat says that she can’t go back now. Maybe she confronted bumby, and after his taunts and admission of guilt , she lost the last bits of her sanity, pushed him off the platform and completely lost it, therefore “unable to return”?
My original comment got hidden when I tried to put like to better analisis then I did. She is in reality, she's just imagining looking nicer. She had done that before, with snarks in ice cubes. McGlee even sugested something about "mastering both words". Also, in second short films in Alice: Otherlands, she's said to work in theatre, althrough she still has her Wonderland dress. I think the meaning of the ending is that she doesn't need to escape to Wonderland to fix her inner struggle, but also cannot escape them from strugless of real world. But she can muster her Wonderland courage to face them, like if she was in Wonderland. Also the game is full of other symbolism, which may not make sense on first play, but makes replaying really worth it, because once you know what to look for, it's everywhere.
I remember watching my cousin play this when i was young, thought it was scary lookin' game but now i actually understand the meaning of it and it still scares me
it is normal that the part when she's walking in the mental hospital scared me? i mean, her way to walk and her look... and im alone in my house! imagine, you see a person walking like that in your street...
I hope this game will get a remake. It's masterpiece and imagine how scary would it be, if this would be made right now with our great grapics and possibilities ❤️
It's sad this IP is trapped with EA. They have the rights & don't want to make another, nor are they willing to sell the IP. That really sucks for McGee.
Actually about 6 months ago they've begun making Alice:Asylum! It's going to be a prequel to the other 2 games, designed to be the first game most would play in the series, because it apparently doesn't spoil anything else in the series. Wonderland is unlikely to make an appearance since that would obviously retcon the first game. The release date is currently Halloween, 2021.
@@skullsfire1155 the first game in the series is called American Mcgee's Alice and the second is the one you're watching right now. Asylum isn't out yet but will be the third in he series, first in he timeline. The game you're watching rn (otherwise known as RtM) is last in the timeline and AMA is second.
Spirit Flame I think they are going to show some aspect of wonderland, I’ve seen the concept art they are doing and it very much looks like it belongs in Wonderland.
Doesn't this remind anyone else of sucker punch? The "escape into your mind" and when she is done fantasizing she is in the mental hospital. She like the more crazy version of babydoll
My dear misguided friend, looks up some info on the real "Alice in Wonderland" stories, they are no less fucked up then the game. Disney flicks and fairy tales are just fakes.
DeepbloodFang haha no denying that, but the original alice in wonderland story was a good kids story, very common in schools at the time. this game just goes over and beyond though regardless.
Sonaemi hair of patients in asylums was often shaven and sold. keeping them bald dehumanized them and reduced lice. as well and made Joel drilling easier.
It's also a little symbolic: Centaurs in Greek mythology were responsible for raping a group of maidens at a banquet (see Centauromachia), and are known for being ruthless and violent creatures. Considering what Bumby did to Lizzie, it seems fitting that Alice saw him as such.
I finally found my people! So many people just don't get how wonderful, beautiful, deep, and symbolic this game truly is! Plus it's kind of a challenge that's worth it.
I love the subtle yet appropriate death for Bumby, he was trying to erase Alice's memories with the train but Alice ended up getting him "erased" instead along with the guilt she had.
The best explanation for the ending is this; Alice can no longer go back to Wonderland, because by killing Bumby, regaining control of her mind (the Queen) and her memories (the Dollmaker), she _grew up_ and stopped needing Wonderland, which represents her childhood innocence and fantasies. That's why Cheshire says "we can't go home again" and "Wonderland is safe in memory, for now". Now, she does see London through the lens of Wonderland - this is because her life has become more _bearable,_ now that Bumby is gone and she no longer needs to worry about being send to Rutledge. And that's why Cheshire says "Only a few find the way and few recognize it when they do". She can't tell if she's in Wonderland or if she's truly found the way to safety and happiness in her mind - but the latter is true. So she left her childhood Wonderland - but she found a newer, better one in reality. Now she has control over her place in the real world, and over her mind. A much, much happier, and realer ending, than the one from the last game.
i don't think she leaved wonderland. I think she went into some state of chronic psychosis, but mixed it with reality so there would be no critical conflict of incompatibility. And now she's really crazy and dangerous, which is why I think the ending is cool. I mean, when you accept reality it's usually about depression and grieving and humility. It doesn't look like running away from the asylum and killing the doctor lol. Now wonderland is always with her in this horrible world
seeing how alice asylum's supposed story appearing... she hasnt left wonderland, it's otherlands ( space between real world and wonderland) and it plays out really well to the supposed next game. no spoilers with how the design bible tells this story but it really goes deep with cheshire cat's saying of "no good deed goes unpunished,"
It’s sad to hear that EA gave up on the game. I really enjoyed Alice Madness returns and I would of enjoyed playing Alice the prequel if it was on the gen. I was looking forward to Alice Otherland the game but bummed out that it was never made. I did enjoy the 2 short films I would of loved if @Netflix was able to take over to make it a live or animated series or even just 3 whole movies of the 3. If only Spicy Horse returned. What I think would be pretty cool if it were ever possible, is to bring together all the people and team who worked on and created #TheDarkness, #DeadSpace, #SoulSacrifice, #Bioshock and Todd McFarlane himself join together with American McGee and create a project together with all there work combined a game with all there ideas.
The original creators are actually currently working on a new prequel game taking place during her time at the asylum while grieving her family, each world in wonderland a stage of grief. You can see their progress on the officialInstagram, they said the game should be finished roughly by the end of 2022
It is so hard keeping up with this game. The conversations are so in between the lines, and they're speaking in metaphores. None the less, the descriptions of what they think of Alice throughout this journey. Beautiful game - one of my favourites!
it tooked me years to understand the meaning of this game at first i thought it was creepy, disturbing but now i understand the true meaning of this game... life isn't that preety sometime the beauty you see dont last forever the true beauty come from the meaning of the creator meaning dont judge a book by its cover
Dr Bumby was an associate of Alice's father who was lusting after Lizzie. One night he sneaks into their home and molests Lizzie while everyone slept, but accidentally (or possibly purposely) killed her while young Alice witnessed from the room across. Taking the key to Lizzie's room, Bumby locks her door and sets fire to the home to hide his crimes (hence the relevance of the key, and the fact that Lizzie never locked her door) when he realizes Alice has seen him. Alice survives the blaze because Dinah shows her the way out, and she's soon placed in an asylum during her grieving. The doctor insists she forget, make a blissful "Wonderland" rather than face her truths. When she's released with some help by Nurse Witless (hence why she's constantly expecting favors from Alice), she's taken in by Bumby who convinces her through hypnosis that it was all an accident, that he can help her through her pain and "make her forget", hoping to erase her mind so she never remembers what he's done. The line "centaurs don't live in Oxford" refers to when she saw Bumby in her home she assumed it must have been centaur taking Lizzie as in mythology they often stole away drunken women, even reminded by the numerous books in their library she had been in that night. The train is Bumby tearing through her Wonderland, the black ooze of her subconscious trying to force her to face the truth and not forget and breaking apart her naive Wonderland. All the while she's so lost in her own Wonderland she turns a blind eye to the reality, her "crime" as it's called, that Bumby is brainwashing children through hypnosis then selling them to pedophiles on the streets. She doesn't want to remember her family's death, she doesn't want to face the truth but the darkness of her mind refuses to allow her to forgot. Its through her discoveries in Wonderland that truth in unveiled. Unfortunately, because of her previous madness and his social standing, she can't reveal Dr. Bumby as no one would believe her. So, finally releasing her true Wonderland she faces the dark reality, accepts her responsibility for being a guilty bystander and ends it by pushing him into the train. Thus her truth, her wonderland, becomes whole and melds with the world around her. She was never truly mad, but driven mad over time until her wonderland consumed her. So in a sense it is a multi-layered "things aren't what they seem"
One of the most underrated games ever. Compelling story and characters, genuinely fun and engaging gameplay, and graphics that still hold up ten years later. I think I'll play through it again this week.
I have rewatched the ending a bit multiple times, and read the last quote cheshire have spoken of. I had wondered what he meant by his last saying and quote: "ah alice you cant go home again, no surprise really only a very few find the way and most of them dont recognize it when they do. Delusions to die hard, only the savage regards the endurance of pain is the measure of worth. forgetting pain is convenience, remembering it agonizing. but recovering the truth is worth the suffering and our wonderland though damage is safe in memory for now." I somewhat wondered if Alice kept going into her wonderland, her heart and mind wants her to continue thriving the truth and shes slowly remembering who was responsible for her parents and sisters death. The queen that looked like her sister represents the guilt of her death. The doctor representing the killer, the toxic presence that tries to get her to forget her memories of the death and fire so she wont remember and notice it was HE who killed her family. I have been thinking that in the end of the game she may have gotten into a coma as Cheshire said she cant go home again. Seeing Alice wake up looks as if Alice is free from the prison, the toxic chains of guilt that the doctor tried to put upon her. I guess whenever Alice is in her wonderland either shes out cold or she been wondering around in town as if shes sleep walking.I dont know. she falls to the ground and collapse and she wakes up she goes into wonderland.
I interpreted the ending as if he's speaking more of childhood or innocence. when people grow older they tend to forget the innocence they held as a child and they create delusions to satisfy themselves with what they know they can never go back to. Alice is no longer the young innocent girl before the fire and the doctor, she's changed and she won't be able to find that innocence once again.
this game is such a masterpiece. the story line is so unique, and the way all the characters in her wonderland signify parts of her subconscious, trying to tell her what’s actually going on. every time i replay this game i realize something new and it just gets more intriguing. i won’t be satisfied until we get a third installment. american mcgee is a true genius.
more like "Forgetting pain is useless, remembering it has great advantages" that is all Iherd playing this game, heck I said it while playing this game, it is awesome!
The part that confuses me is how when Alice was confronting that old bastard at the trains station, she turned how she looked like in Wonderland and yet that's the "real" world...She's powerful...
She probably imagined herself as her wonderland counterpart because that's her strong/fighting side which is why as soon as you exit the train station you enter Londerland. A combination of London and Wonderland. She's hallucinating basically
@@crumblemuffin1257 Yeah, that! I really like the combat music. It sounds so badass. I also like the Cards Castles in the Sky theme. It is the total opposite of the Vorpal Blade theme. It's so peaceful and makes you want to stay on the part of the game where it plays.
The game is awesome. I like how they created Alice. As an really strong character with beutiful green eyes just seems sooo powerfull I had lots of problem with understanding this game but I did understand it now. Amazing
I really enjoyed the game so I could never understand why it's so underrated. Now that I read some of the comments I finally got my answer(after 4 years oh well). The game IS deep and meaningful. You won't understand the plot, characters and symbols without thinking and considering many various possibilities like "Hmm what's the true meaning behind that?" Most conservations in game Bumby/ Alice Alice/Catterpillar Alice/Queen are not clear. I had to watch them over and over to comprehend the hidden sense behind those intricate words. People who are too lazy or ignorant to do that won't enjoy the game. As for me I enjoyed both- the game and interpreting it . To put it simple, the game is DEMANDING and therefore not for everyone. That's why some people should stick to their Call od Duties, Duke Nukems and Halos, games without any plot, about mindless killing and blood in the air. Also I doubt you'd understand anything by watching PewDiePie's A:MR gameplay(which I assume by reading some of the comments).
+Kruukk You also have to get the "memories" collectibles to get a better grasp of the story. It isn't that hard to understand, though. Even without most of those "collectibles", I could understand it. The problem is that people tend to forget that they aren't playing the "sane OP hero", but instead, an ill-mental protagonist.
+Kruukk I didn't understand it at all, still enjoyed it, I really loved their vocabulary too. ''Some half-wit bruiser will make you his sweetheart... and then you'll hang!'' I love it. I know the basics, her family died in the fire, the doctor is the reason, Lizzie is her sister and the queen takes on the form of Lizzie. That's about it of what I know xD but there is deeper meaning behind everything, those fucked up things you see, its her madness, it all tells you something about her. I don't get it and I didn't get the ending, if she went completely insane or has some magical powers. Then there is the other lands, where she enters the mind of other people. I don't get it but I can't get enough of it.
3:36 made me realize the asylum scene is a hallucination and not actually a past experience. It may have pieces from what Alice experienced previously at Rutledge, but the doctor says that he had cleared her to leave and then she had come back. Alice never came back to Rutledge after she was released. This is what I believe she thinks would happen had she be made to return. I looked into this mainly because of the lobotomy scene, which obviously would render her debilitated and unresponsive, meaning she wouldn’t be as eloquently spoken and coherent as she typically is when shown in London. This might have cleared some things up for those that looked into that a bit.
Wait I'm really curious on what happened to Alice during her 10 years at the asylum. I know she was essentially tortured there for 10 years. Did they really drill a hole in her head!? And put leeches on her body!? :O I feel bad for the poor girl and continue to shiver at all the medical "treatments" they did back in those days. It's a scary thought. But yes, I'm curious about the things they did like what they showed in her hallucination of what she experienced. Especially the hole in the head thing :/
All those events happened to Alice. The hole in the head thing is called trepanning and it's more common than you think... During her final year, she began to hallucinate about Wonderland again, and realised she needed to get better. So she defeated the evil within her and was able to leave the asylum eventually.
***** Holy shit! I didn't really think it was possible to even still be alive after getting a hole drilled in your head! LOL Screw all who say that video games are only for kids. :P This one is obviously not. Haha Probably also not for the faint of heart. :/
I feel like the only one who realizes that the entire ending of bioshock infinite is pointless and they break their own time/dimension traveling rules.
God...... This Game ruined my childhood The Alice that i know went to wonderland because she wanted to follow a white rabbit then she wanted to go home because she was sad and lonely then she realized that it was all just a dream and then went home with her older sister And this Alice is.... it is cool and gory (which i like) but i really dont understand the storyyyyyy
Gaden Rhoss Okay but what's that section of bald Alice in a hospital? is that her reality? What's her reality? She stayed in Wonderland to not deal with the real life? and what's real?
Fabricio Fonseca Solis the asylum is reality all the procedures and hypnosis fractured memories so towards the end wonderland meshed into her reality so she wouldn't become a brain dead doll, thats what the references to wonderland are when she stops fighting with the queen ,the queen is just another part of her that handles her darker memories
If you want to know the darker situation of the game, I can say. The whole game was not only about her trying to recover the memory of that day but to stop her Wonderland from going mad again. Bumby, the whole time, was trying to make her forget everything that happened, not only to cover his tracks of being the murderer of her family but also to sell Alice as a "blank toy" to molesters.
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"authority must be obeyed, or it must be overthrown" is a killer line
A line worthy of any version of the Red Queen. A Tyrant and Wrathful Woman, in her world the only two choices is absolute servitude or rebellion.
the original game also has a good one tbh
"reckless or insulting talk should never go unchallenged"
I think this line is more complicated than just the queen (alice's reason/logic) being an absolutist. I think it really means that if you cannot control(think, do) yourself then someone else will.
What does a Raving delusional beauty mean?
@@rebeccalopez658 It means exactly what it sounds like. They're a madwoman who happens to be beautiful. If Bumby had actually managed to break Alice, he would've pimped her out to anyone willing to pay just like he did to the children from the orphanage and nobody would stop him because nobody cares about a bunch of forgotten mental patients (the gruesome sights in the Rutledge Asylum already make that fact quite obvious).
i think it's clever how they included actual medical practices from victorian england.
man cheeto I opened this game on my ps3 as a 9year old not knowing what it was. needless to say 10 minutes in I shut the game and never opened it again. gave me trauma HAHAHAH
@@blegh3023 it does resemble a horror game so i don't blame 9 y/o you! I know I definitely would have done the same
@@blegh3023 as a kid i was actually fascinated by these things despite me being stuck on it weeks later and being scared out of my mind! I guess we all have preferences huh lol
Fun fact They where used in some up till 1970 and some place had been shut down recently for using them.
@@taetm8868 same
"You used me, you abused me, but you will not destroy me!"
Unbowed, unbent, and unbroken
"You fucked up my face"
jeez, that is one motivation for me there.
reesj18 whenever I talk to my parents
@@vid9511 "And now....."
This is so sad because I think this is how they actually used to treat mental illness back then
It must have been terrifying and traumatic for them
back then? there's still places we're they do it like this.
Considering what was considered "mentally disturbed" in the victorian era there were way too many people punished and tortured by the mental institutions.
And that's why their mental health deteriorated.
shes not ina orphanage shes in a sex slave brothel
It is
I remember watching my dad play this game as a kid. I always thought this game was a part of my dreams but then I found a playthrough of it. This was a very underrated game.
TodoDeku is best ship so underrated, yes
@@harolgarciarok *Can you please shut up?*
I saw my uncle play this when I was seven. A year or maybe two later I somehow managed to download it and play it
Best decision ever made
I burned all my dolls afterwards
Rude much
How old are you? I mean this game was only released 9 years ago... Perhaps you meant the first game "American McGee's Alice"
I feel like every time I watch this video I strengthen my vocabulary
Right?!
SAME WAHAHAHA
go watch some cardi b
@@iAmNothingness nah that shit turn your brain to mush.
@@lelianarochefort3077 okurrr eoooow y know what im sayin puryüuryüurpury
I love how they talk. Like, Alice's insults to Bumby are probably meant to be really, well, insulting, but all I can think is, "God, she's so articulate."
It is called the "Victorian Era" for Alice it would around 1800s. Lewis Carroll was an excellent writer of his time so i would hope his adaptation would live up to his work. *FUN FACT*: Lewis Carroll wasn't a writer originally he was a mathematician
+Caitlin Elizabeth SFX can you not?
+B3llarin Just stating facts
sauce?
+Caitlin Elizabeth SFX That's not a fact, it's a speculation.
I have no actual idea why this was on my recommended
Finally! I did get this on my recommended too 😂
Me neither, but this game looks so interesting. Might look into it.
Green Tea same it looks like a sick minded game or something 😂👹
TH-cam knew I had school tomorrow and didn't want me to sleep
Me too. It's been so long since I've played this and still love this masterpiece like it was yesterday I downloaded it
"We're all mad here, that's a good excuse for going to hell in a teapot" that line is amazing every time😂
666 likes going to 667.
666 likes going to 667.
This game was so under-rated
+SLH86 The fellow who goes by American Mcgee, creator of the first game (equally disturbing) is actually trying to raise money on "kickstart" right now to make a 3rd. He wants to take it a slightly different direction. I have trouble visualizing what that could even look like. Apart from the best fucking thing since this game...
+SLH86 I must have been the only person waiting outside gamestop the day of it's release.
+Ryan Ranger its not a game its a straight to dvd film
Mr.jasonxstar No, it's a game. Until Dawn is a film.
+Ryan Ranger man i hope he makes another that would be awesome
The line "make your survival mean something" hits me every time,
It speaks to me like
"Don't just fucking survive - LIVE to tell the story" basically. Amazing.
Angelica Same
Angelica Same
Mae
That's why I can't take anyone seriously who thinks these games are just edgy for the heck of it. The dialogue alone shows how much attention and care American McGee shows when it comes to representing the struggles of trauma and mental illness.
This is actually a harmful sentiment to place on survivors because it puts an obligation on their survival and lives, not cos they want to, but because other people want to make a feel-good platitude at no cost to themselves.
ten years later these graphics look pretty good
Yeah. Idk why but it reminds me of The Wolf among us
exactly, im kinda shocked but this is one of the games that makes me realise more stylised styles last longer than realistic graphics. i remembered gta 5 looking so great back when it came out but now, it looks a little dated.
awesome i would say
@@nutella7644 so true
Best looking game I've ever seen. Better than Crysis.
I wish the Doctor suffered more, His death was to quick.
I agree he is evil
don't worry Yellowbulma, maybe his testicles dragged a few miles under the train before he finally died lol..
@Belletaina, isn't that how the medical industry works today.....?
lmao here's hoping
Agreed.
The game is emotional and well made, but this ending is like a dark, creepy drug trip.
+MrMorphicus There's still creepy rapers who do that today... 0_0
VArkelS it is
VArkelS the ending is the most real part of the game. but it produces a feeling that most people tend to ignore.
well, the true story, of from whom the story Alice in Wonderland was created,explains why it's so dark , i wont spoiler it, but maybe you should check out, WHO , wrote the story alice in wonderland and where, then you'll probs avoid it,
Thank God I never tried drugs
I managed to play this game when I was young, it was terrifying. But something about it charmed me, I wish there was a remastered version or a sequel to this beautiful game.
UltimateLegendLugia Alice: Asylum 2021.
It really doesn't need a remastering; it's still good enough. The funds would be better spent on Alice Asylum.
@@Anubis22774 It's confirmed in 2021. They're not even in the process of actually making the game yet.
@@GriseWeisshark So they're not doing it
Ok
Why is no one talking about what the bastard did to lizzie? Maybe it's just me, but those lines got to me. The way he talked about her "wanting" him, the line, "your sister wasn't talking in her sleep" that was horrifying!
I think he raped poor Lizze. And Alice saw him that's why he started the fire?
@@jillie_boe_legweak2487 your half right he had raped lizzy but had realised that he killed her accidentally and started the fire to get rid of the evidence of him being there
@@squirrel_food2370 Ew.. oh god.... I didn't realize he had accidentally killed her in the.... process of doing that.. I just assumed he started the fire so that Lizzie wouldn't snitch.
@@squirrel_food2370 how did he kill her
@@nyapayton7087 not sure could of been suffocation trying to keep her quiet but i dont have a clue
It's kinda heartbreaking how she must either choose insanity or sanity...
Either path would just mean to loss that one aspect of herself. Could you live in the loneliness of your madness or in the tragedy of your reality...?
To have the balance of both worlds would have been a blessing. Truly.... :(
Which is the cog, which is the wheel?
as an artist, a bad mental state helps me to write but makes me feel like shit. Being okay feels great but gives me no reason to do what i love. i need to find balance between these two
You can be in both worlds, I know it sounds dumb but.... in your fantasy world you can find things you might like to make either its your dream life or the things you want to accomplish the impossible, Imagination is a gift if you know how to use it. Reality is challenging but if you work your way out... Reality can also have positive sides and it will make you happy
Did killing Bumby render her sane, though???
was the last part when she changed her outfit representing that her mental influences was strong enough to make her fantasy a reality?
Yep
I always thought that she started taking control over her actions in real live as in her fantasy - killing him and fleeing into her own mind
After I read American McGee's synopsis of 'Otherlands', I think that yes, that is her actually making her fantasies a reality in a very literal sense. Like magic powers. Because in 'Otherlands' she's going to be able to transfer herself into other people's minds and explore them. She's like...the Knight of Mind. She goes around and instead of talking to people about what hurts them emotionally like a therapist would, she literally jumps into their heads and kills all the bad shit in there, leaving them happier.
Nerdicaful So... Psychonauts?
did you just reference homestuck god tiers?
I see it like this:
Alice is "Mad" do to what that horrible doctor has done to her. Nearly killed her in a fire, unable to save her family, traumatized me, made her think she killed her family, and tried to make her forget. This was all HIS doing. But Alice had one thing that keeps her sane: "The will to find the truth", or as I like to call it: "Her curiosity" *Wink*. Good thing this made her too stubborn to give in, or else she would have completely lost herself.
Yes!
he tried to rape her after he raped her sister ....
crist tamiel Really?! I didn’t know after all the research about Alice
Shit...
//spoilers btw for people who want to play the game
when you meet the doll maker in the last stage, who is actually just dr. bumbly but more creepy, he turns Alice into a doll like he does to the other children.
it's like how he erases the memories of the children at the asylum and then sells them.
but i am getting side track, Alice manages to break out of the doll state due to her determination and stubbornness. just like she was unable to let go of the pass which kinda saved her from being trafficked.
I remember I used to wonder what happened when she entered wonderland .. would she just randomly stand still in real life staring into the air or would she collapse or wander around like she does in wonderland
From what I can remember, Alice would also wander around irl while in Wonderland.
mix of both, sometimes she would wander around and sometimes she would just go catatonic
I’d think she goes around talking with people. But Wonderland is her imagination changing her perception of the real world.
Ik this is old, but her mind although strong is very sensitive to triggers. If she becomes mentally stressed, she goes to wonderland to cope and escape. It can be something as simple as blinding light after coming out of a dark jailhouse like in the transition from Oriental Grove to Cardbridge (the caterpillar chapter to the red queen chapter).
@@dear.kittyboy There was actually so many content in this game that was never finished due to time constraints.
There were cutscenes where Alice would kill Pris Witless the pigeon lady while she was hallucinating and this would trigger the sequence where Alice would jump from roof to roof until she falls on the river and ends up on the Mermaid bar.
this is more Alice of Tim Burton, that the real Alice of Tim Burton
Leohast no this alice is way darker than the tim burton version
Tim Burton is overrated.
Tim Burton takes dark concepts and makes them fun and easy to digest. This is not fun nor easy to digest.
Yah Tim burton wishes he made this alice
Tim Burton's Alice is shit. American McGees Alice is THE shit.
this is what i understand from the ending; She was I guess too scared of admiting the truth(the abuse). So she tried to forget it by the doctors orders and create a wonderland. but her subconscious was demanding her not to forget (this happans to everyone btw it's not just the game) and her recreation of the wonderland was so forceful that it merged with her very loud subconsciousnes. and When she finally remembered it was because of the wonderland(her subconscious) so by rembering she blended the wonderland(the hidden truth) with her reality. so now her new world has very nasty memories and those memories came with the wonderland.
Personally I like to think she remembered before that when she confronted him and transforming into her wonderland outfit was partially to signify her courage to act and partially literal transformation into wonderland dress, I mean doctor looked surprised. Maybe she really transformed before his eyes, maybe she can bring out stuff from wonderland when she is in control.
I mean it is probably meant as metaphorical transformation, but if she literally could bring out things from wonderland then it would be even more interesting.
Hey sweetie
The images and scenes from the Alice Madness game speak for themselves. Alice is essentially dragged into a bottomless pit under the earth, into the world beyond the mirror, a dimension that unites two worlds (real world and spirit world) or into the abyss (hell disguised as Eden with trees of light and wonderful flowers and bright colors). The one who drags the girl on this journey of no return is the white rabbit, or the manipulator / t*rt*rer, who through *b*se (even repeated) pushes the *b*sed to enter a state of mental dissociation. Wonderland is the place where the mind of mind control victims escapes during *b*se. Basically all of this is a mixture of esotericism and spiritualism, since the white rabbit is the equivalent of Charon the ferryman of souls.
Hey sweetie
What??
Alice is simply my favorite thing. All that Gothic, horror, yet feminine. Gothic Horror with all the violence, blood and pretty dresses
I’m not one for horror
I love it
Yes! Why I love her character and what try to incorporate into my (female) characters.
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that someting that i love. sadly the real world does not cares of it
I really wish they'd make a movie out of this game.
Agreed
I think Anya Taylor-Joy would be a good casting choice for Alice.
@@Kyran1996 yes!!
check out Sucker Punch
@@Kyran1996 100% yes
The way how Cheshire says "For now" it's like a hint to another game
there is one in production actually. Alice: Asylum
scrappy :v are you for real?
Yees!
It's still in the conceptualizing stage. Far from actually making the game. Follow American McGee's social medias (Facebook, Twitter, TH-cam, etc) and Patreon for updates. He also sometimes does a live stream to show the progress while playing the A:MR.
This aged well
Dude that part when Alice found out what was happening to Lizzie f’d me up
Just so ya know it’s at 11:41
ohh F***, I just realize it what see means.
He rape alice? I'm confused
@@elyungpenetos9603 dr. bumby most likely raped and sexually assaulted lizzie before killing her and its hinted at alice having witnessed it.
"There are no centaurs in Oxford..."
Remember kids; stay in school, don't do drugs and never, ever get your fantasy get the best of you...
Cris Hofer too late
My fantasy already has gotten the best of me. I can't make myself happy in real world activities. I can only feel content in the worlds of the things I watch and read and in the worlds of the stories I write. It sucks, to say the least. Depression sucks. Ugh I'm so pathetic.
@@rachele.3229 ok.
@@lupintheiii6709 looking back on this months later, it was a bit edgy lmao. However, I still sometimes keep myself sane by somewhat living in a fantasy
To late hehe
People are confused by the dress and the kill:
She didn’t really have the dress on. Listen to what the Angus said: “You won’t move against me, I’ve made sure of that”. He used his pseudo-hypnosis to make her unable to be hostile to him. The dress is her manifesting her Wonderland; she is in her own headspace, and not the one Angus put her in, therefore immune to his hypnosis. That’s why he’s so shocked, before he dies
Well after seeing how little there is of Outerlands, wonderland seems more like a Super Power than a mental illness.
@@cronoa_hourglass2184do you mean Otherlands?
@@gheata_playz874 Yes, the Auto-corrector ruined the phrase
@@cronoa_hourglass2184 ah ok
it was still lame, wouldnt he
Know shed try that?? & break
Free?? dude just became
dumb for no reason.
make your survival mean something.... wow
Fabian Lopez I loved this line
Runic Rigel very dark.
Fabian Lopez
that's what I have done and are trying to do
Fabian Lopez can I have your ig
It must have been so horrible for those people. I feel so bad for those patients. Even today many mental health institutions have disgusting and often human-trafficking or other-wise horrifying motives.
Yup people usually develop severe mental illness from abuse and we never do anything to these people but abuse them even more in a never-ending torturous loop. At least we have pills now, I suppose.
The perfect Alice and wonderland doesn’t exi-
Yes! And the Disney animated masterpiece.
My favorite version has always been a British musical from the early 70s
Yes! And the Disney animated masterpiece.
Alice Madness Returns is the first game that ever made me feel sick or exhausted,and I got to say it’s because I’ve never played a game with such a deep meaning and gory plot.Though I would say this game is gorgeous in its own way,happy to report that the game is my favorite☺️☺️☺️
I remember when I watched play through of this game in elementary school and thought it was dope as hell.
The models were always fucked up too.
Just played it and beaten it, and let me tell you that Chapter 5 was so unsettling, I've never been so uneasy by a location (especially when handling the levers) and really wanted to finish the area as soon as possible. I've never had a game made me feel that way, not that it is a bad thing.
its been five years huh, they didn't continue the game.
I still have hope ! Alice madness returns was realeased 10 years after its predecessor: American Mc Gee's Alice ..
Well, there can still be hope. Look at the Zero Escape series, for example. Zero Time Dilemma wouldn't have been made if it weren't for the support of its fans.
Look at Disgaea. People said that a PC port would never happen, and yet it got relased in 2016 (now, if it's an unstable or not unstable relase, that's another thing).
Where?
I was thinking about it
yeah :(
Hundreds of years ago one thought regarding severe mental illness was that a rock was inside their skull. Imagine how many people died having their heads cracked open while the dr looked for a rock.
Hundred millions.
Explaining the ending:
Throughout the game, it is implied that the therapist played a crucial role in Alice's madness and her family's death, which is confirmed towards the ending. When she interrogates the queen, who warns that something else, besides the infernal train, must be taken care of, she is sent to the asylum, where she learns that the madness will be near impossible to recover from. After traversing through the dollhouse and confronting the heinous Dollmaker, the embodiment of Bumbly's influence, his wonderland companions converse with her one last time. They belittle her for ignoring the suffering of those around her, caused by Bumbly, until it was too late. This makes her partially responsible for what's been happening, as she failed to act. She is reminded that in order to save her own soul and memories, she must destroy the train. She does, and the Dollmaker. Awakening and confronting Bumbly with the realization that Bumbly has made herself and others suffer, she decides to do what she should have done before, exact justice. Unfortunately, the locals believe her indeed too mad to know the truth, but it doesn't matter; she takes matters into her own hands and deliver rather ironic justice. From here, it is implied that she is in control of reality, but Cheshire sermons that she is unable to return to it. Either way, she has come to terms with the truth, and the damaged Wonderland is, for the time being, safe in memory.
So she can't come back to reality? :'(
But what happened to her sister?
@@No_user22 her sister was raped by bumby and died with Alice's parents in the fire that Bumby used to cover up his crimes on that day. He also planned to either have his way with Alice or sell her to pedos but she never ended up in a state where he thought she'd be bought or that would satisfy him to go all the way with so he just stuck to fucking with her memories.
@@Karak-_- yeah, I think it’s reaching for meaning. When she eats cake (confidence) and kills executioner (rage and desire for revenge) she didn’t actually killed her desire for revenge, did she? Everything can be symbolic, but it doesn’t mean that those symbols are coherent. If the wonderland happens during her mental episodes what does the ending transformation and London mean? Especially when the cat says that she can’t go back now. Maybe she confronted bumby, and after his taunts and admission of guilt , she lost the last bits of her sanity, pushed him off the platform and completely lost it, therefore “unable to return”?
My original comment got hidden when I tried to put like to better analisis then I did.
She is in reality, she's just imagining looking nicer. She had done that before, with snarks in ice cubes. McGlee even sugested something about "mastering both words".
Also, in second short films in Alice: Otherlands, she's said to work in theatre, althrough she still has her Wonderland dress.
I think the meaning of the ending is that she doesn't need to escape to Wonderland to fix her inner struggle, but also cannot escape them from strugless of real world. But she can muster her Wonderland courage to face them, like if she was in Wonderland.
Also the game is full of other symbolism, which may not make sense on first play, but makes replaying really worth it, because once you know what to look for, it's everywhere.
I remember watching my cousin play this when i was young, thought it was scary lookin' game but now i actually understand the meaning of it and it still scares me
noobmaster69 I’m so much older and i still don’t get it what this about
Sexual and mental abuse
Watched my dad introduce this game to my brother. Scared the shit outa me for some reason.
I don't what brain I had back than but I thought this was a god of war game
@@shonthacreator6146 bruh
welcome to the comments. here you are safe and u get free hot chocolate ☕
Naw I like this game c: but I'll take it :D
Can I have 2 hot chocolates please?
+Celli Stone YAY IM SAFE!! AND I GOT FREE HOT COCO!! ☕
thank you very much☕i need a baby bottle too🍼i acted like a baby through the whole thing
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this game is soo beautiful...
seek help
Seriously if you think this is beautiful you're fucked up
in terms of art direction , it is beautiful , this game won best art direction award
Kyle McCallum Someone skipped that mandatory art appreciation course in college...
One point it's good the other point....gross😝
it is normal that the part when she's walking in the mental hospital scared me? i mean, her way to walk and her look... and im alone in my house! imagine, you see a person walking like that in your street...
I think that’s actually how they used to “help” people in asylums back then😥
She's also had a screw driven into her skull, went thru blood letting, psychological torture.... Im not surprised she was walking like that.
Or walking down towards you in your hall way.
I hope this game will get a remake. It's masterpiece and imagine how scary would it be, if this would be made right now with our great grapics and possibilities ❤️
Yes pleasee a remake for Xbox one , PS4 and next generation
I'd like to see a remaster instead. Remakes usually don't hold up to the original art style.
@@Azoth86730 depends. See RE2 and RE3 reamkes, they are fantastic.
That would've been wonderful especially if they include all the cut content
But still its scary
i love the dresses she has
That dress is to KILL for
I hate how some people think that Alice is a creepypasta. I'm over here like: "Leave..now" ಠ_ಠ--->
Me 2
People=shit
Me too
yes. thank you!
our its like she isn't a creepypasta people and if you keep thinking that stay away from me
i feel really sad for alice when she was in the asylum....
Emina _DuoyChu ITS Hospicium
Hi Midori Gurinu! You watch THAT DUDE too?
Midori Gurinu yandere dev! Yandere dev!
Me to
“Abuse is a crime the strong visit on the weak.”
.....
Damn.
It's sad this IP is trapped with EA. They have the rights & don't want to make another, nor are they willing to sell the IP. That really sucks for McGee.
Actually about 6 months ago they've begun making Alice:Asylum! It's going to be a prequel to the other 2 games, designed to be the first game most would play in the series, because it apparently doesn't spoil anything else in the series. Wonderland is unlikely to make an appearance since that would obviously retcon the first game. The release date is currently Halloween, 2021.
@@spiritflame8806 What are the other two games called? And order do they go in?
@@skullsfire1155 the first game in the series is called
American Mcgee's Alice and the second is the one you're watching right now. Asylum isn't out yet but will be the third in he series, first in he timeline. The game you're watching rn (otherwise known as RtM) is last in the timeline and AMA is second.
Fuck ea games. Fuck them
Spirit Flame I think they are going to show some aspect of wonderland, I’ve seen the concept art they are doing and it very much looks like it belongs in Wonderland.
Doesn't this remind anyone else of sucker punch? The "escape into your mind" and when she is done fantasizing she is in the mental hospital. She like the more crazy version of babydoll
There is a fanart of the crossover if you didn't know.
Citlalli Navarro Jaramillo Ohh Where?
Torey Croft Devinatart. I think you should look up on Google *Alice the Madness Returns crossover* and you should see it somewhere. Not sure though.
Thanks
Torey Croft Omg yess the ending of sucker punch was crazy thoe
I swear this game was designed to suck up peoples happy memories of Alice in wonderland and shit out nightmares in return lol.
My dear misguided friend, looks up some info on the real "Alice in Wonderland" stories, they are no less fucked up then the game. Disney flicks and fairy tales are just fakes.
DeepbloodFang
haha no denying that, but the original alice in wonderland story was a good kids story, very common in schools at the time. this game just goes over and beyond though regardless.
DeepbloodFang give me examples of the less fucked up Alice in the wonderland stories
Half of the stuff i saw here in this game had me standing there for a minute or two just going "What the heck?"
I think it's to show the reality. What the dark side of the book was
the part when lizzie or the queen of hearts speaks about surviving abuse and doing something with it, I really felt that as an abused person
this game is so underrated
double bubble disco queen i only just heard about it now and i instantly wanted to play it
double bubble disco queen YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A Mmasterpiece.
it's really bad and contradicting the original
IchibanOjousama your wrong
@@IchibanOjousama well I for one, think this was an artistic masterpiece..
Poor Alice, they drilled a hole in her head! AND they shaved off her beautiful hair!!!!
Sonaemi hair of patients in asylums was often shaven and sold. keeping them bald dehumanized them and reduced lice. as well and made Joel drilling easier.
Sonaemi i liked how her hair looked
Still would tap that
Shaved hair is cool, also we learned in science that making a hole in the head does not hurt
@@TwinklingMysticShot what do you mean It doesn't hurt?!
"And there are not centaurs in Oxford."
I just realized what that means, oh my god...
What?
Exactly what
She confused Dr. Bumby with a centaur
It's also a little symbolic: Centaurs in Greek mythology were responsible for raping a group of maidens at a banquet (see Centauromachia), and are known for being ruthless and violent creatures. Considering what Bumby did to Lizzie, it seems fitting that Alice saw him as such.
@Elleborus Some kind of Dissociation? psychologically speaking.
Looks like a good game
I see you in blackpink vídeos and now in Alice madness returns vídeos HAHAHAHHA
Even here!
It is actually pretty good...
Why would you look up the ending to judge its quality?
Fuck off please
I love the atmosphere and design so much. I should play this again.
I finally found my people! So many people just don't get how wonderful, beautiful, deep, and symbolic this game truly is! Plus it's kind of a challenge that's worth it.
Tell me about it!
Tell me about it!
I love the subtle yet appropriate death for Bumby, he was trying to erase Alice's memories with the train but Alice ended up getting him "erased" instead along with the guilt she had.
The best explanation for the ending is this; Alice can no longer go back to Wonderland, because by killing Bumby, regaining control of her mind (the Queen) and her memories (the Dollmaker), she _grew up_ and stopped needing Wonderland, which represents her childhood innocence and fantasies.
That's why Cheshire says "we can't go home again" and "Wonderland is safe in memory, for now".
Now, she does see London through the lens of Wonderland - this is because her life has become more _bearable,_ now that Bumby is gone and she no longer needs to worry about being send to Rutledge.
And that's why Cheshire says "Only a few find the way and few recognize it when they do". She can't tell if she's in Wonderland or if she's truly found the way to safety and happiness in her mind - but the latter is true.
So she left her childhood Wonderland - but she found a newer, better one in reality. Now she has control over her place in the real world, and over her mind.
A much, much happier, and realer ending, than the one from the last game.
i don't think she leaved wonderland. I think she went into some state of chronic psychosis, but mixed it with reality so there would be no critical conflict of incompatibility. And now she's really crazy and dangerous, which is why I think the ending is cool.
I mean, when you accept reality it's usually about depression and grieving and humility. It doesn't look like running away from the asylum and killing the doctor lol. Now wonderland is always with her in this horrible world
seeing how alice asylum's supposed story appearing... she hasnt left wonderland, it's otherlands ( space between real world and wonderland) and it plays out really well to the supposed next game.
no spoilers with how the design bible tells this story but it really goes deep with cheshire cat's saying of "no good deed goes unpunished,"
"I wont miss your tentacles" Woah... I didnt realize i was watching Hentai
Joseph Oliver lol
Oh, I'm sure there's lots of yuri doujinshi out there with this specifik pairing.
Jacob Pedersen Oh yeah, and it gets...interesting.
tentacle hentai is the worst
That's my other tab.
Him: stay alice sit!
Alice: say sike right now *starts to walk out the room
alice in murderland
noah sallee *zombieland
Alice in Borderland XD
*crazyland
Alice in tripland
Alice in horrorland
It’s sad to hear that EA gave up on the game. I really enjoyed Alice Madness returns and I would of enjoyed playing Alice the prequel if it was on the gen. I was looking forward to Alice Otherland the game but bummed out that it was never made. I did enjoy the 2 short films I would of loved if @Netflix was able to take over to make it a live or animated series or even just 3 whole movies of the 3. If only Spicy Horse returned. What I think would be pretty cool if it were ever possible, is to bring together all the people and team who worked on and created #TheDarkness, #DeadSpace, #SoulSacrifice, #Bioshock and Todd McFarlane himself join together with American McGee and create a project together with all there work combined a game with all there ideas.
There are short films about this?
The original creators are actually currently working on a new prequel game taking place during her time at the asylum while grieving her family, each world in wonderland a stage of grief. You can see their progress on the officialInstagram, they said the game should be finished roughly by the end of 2022
EA are idiots in so many ways!
@@brideofcthulhu347 it’s almost the end of 2022
I can wait longer but omg!
Why is this recommended now in 2020... I had just finished my rehab...
just Satan I know right!
@James Smith I'm sorry but wdf she bettered her self and you are pressed for it take several seats
Simp alert
@@nkesefuentes4391 be quiet. You have no idea what's triggering to some people.
@@TheUchihaCub what the fuck
This is really heart breaking .......
funny how the people who tell u too grow up are the miserable and pathetic ones who let life use and abuse them
You mean adults with responsibilities?
You’ll get there soon kid
It’s a shame they never added this to the PS4
Yes.
It is so hard keeping up with this game. The conversations are so in between the lines, and they're speaking in metaphores. None the less, the descriptions of what they think of Alice throughout this journey. Beautiful game - one of my favourites!
On 4:10 the walking animation is scarier then the insects at my house😵
its so unsettling
🤣🤣🤣
It's funny to me lmfao
it tooked me years to understand the meaning of this game at first i thought it was creepy, disturbing but now i understand the true meaning of this game...
life isn't that preety sometime the beauty you see dont last forever the true beauty come from the meaning of the creator meaning dont judge a book by its cover
well yes, but actually it's just the doctor raping them while they were in daze or hallucination
Dr Bumby was an associate of Alice's father who was lusting after Lizzie. One night he sneaks into their home and molests Lizzie while everyone slept, but accidentally (or possibly purposely) killed her while young Alice witnessed from the room across. Taking the key to Lizzie's room, Bumby locks her door and sets fire to the home to hide his crimes (hence the relevance of the key, and the fact that Lizzie never locked her door) when he realizes Alice has seen him. Alice survives the blaze because Dinah shows her the way out, and she's soon placed in an asylum during her grieving. The doctor insists she forget, make a blissful "Wonderland" rather than face her truths. When she's released with some help by Nurse Witless (hence why she's constantly expecting favors from Alice), she's taken in by Bumby who convinces her through hypnosis that it was all an accident, that he can help her through her pain and "make her forget", hoping to erase her mind so she never remembers what he's done. The line "centaurs don't live in Oxford" refers to when she saw Bumby in her home she assumed it must have been centaur taking Lizzie as in mythology they often stole away drunken women, even reminded by the numerous books in their library she had been in that night. The train is Bumby tearing through her Wonderland, the black ooze of her subconscious trying to force her to face the truth and not forget and breaking apart her naive Wonderland. All the while she's so lost in her own Wonderland she turns a blind eye to the reality, her "crime" as it's called, that Bumby is brainwashing children through hypnosis then selling them to pedophiles on the streets. She doesn't want to remember her family's death, she doesn't want to face the truth but the darkness of her mind refuses to allow her to forgot. Its through her discoveries in Wonderland that truth in unveiled. Unfortunately, because of her previous madness and his social standing, she can't reveal Dr. Bumby as no one would believe her. So, finally releasing her true Wonderland she faces the dark reality, accepts her responsibility for being a guilty bystander and ends it by pushing him into the train. Thus her truth, her wonderland, becomes whole and melds with the world around her. She was never truly mad, but driven mad over time until her wonderland consumed her. So in a sense it is a multi-layered "things aren't what they seem"
One of the most underrated games ever. Compelling story and characters, genuinely fun and engaging gameplay, and graphics that still hold up ten years later. I think I'll play through it again this week.
This game was honestly a masterpiece. I wish I could erase all memory of it so I could relive the game for the first time ❤
seem u remember the whole storyline.. great game btw.
Have a session with Bumpy lul
Anybody got it as a TH-cam recommendation 8 years later
Common Art yep
Yes
Does it count if I searched for it 9 years later?
This game mind-fucked me. Hard.
in a good way
in the bestest way💨
14:03 when your last words are "oof, aah"
Made it even more epic
I have rewatched the ending a bit multiple times, and read the last quote cheshire have spoken of.
I had wondered what he meant by his last saying and quote: "ah alice you cant go home again, no surprise really only a very few find the way and most of them dont recognize it when they do. Delusions to die hard, only the savage regards the endurance of pain is the measure of worth. forgetting pain is convenience, remembering it agonizing. but recovering the truth is worth the suffering and our wonderland though damage is safe in memory for now."
I somewhat wondered if Alice kept going into her wonderland, her heart and mind wants her to continue thriving the truth and shes slowly remembering who was responsible for her parents and sisters death. The queen that looked like her sister represents the guilt of her death. The doctor representing the killer, the toxic presence that tries to get her to forget her memories of the death and fire so she wont remember and notice it was HE who killed her family.
I have been thinking that in the end of the game she may have gotten into a coma as Cheshire said she cant go home again. Seeing Alice wake up looks as if Alice is free from the prison, the toxic chains of guilt that the doctor tried to put upon her.
I guess whenever Alice is in her wonderland either shes out cold or she been wondering around in town as if shes sleep walking.I dont know. she falls to the ground and collapse and she wakes up she goes into wonderland.
I interpreted the ending as if he's speaking more of childhood or innocence. when people grow older they tend to forget the innocence they held as a child and they create delusions to satisfy themselves with what they know they can never go back to. Alice is no longer the young innocent girl before the fire and the doctor, she's changed and she won't be able to find that innocence once again.
Watching this cause pewds didn’t finish the series still.
this game is such a masterpiece. the story line is so unique, and the way all the characters in her wonderland signify parts of her subconscious, trying to tell her what’s actually going on. every time i replay this game i realize something new and it just gets more intriguing. i won’t be satisfied until we get a third installment. american mcgee is a true genius.
I can’t even imagine how gorgeous Alice:Asylum is going to look. If they use Unreal Engine 5 next year, it’s gonna look so good.
more like "Forgetting pain is useless, remembering it has great advantages" that is all Iherd playing this game, heck I said it while playing this game, it is awesome!
''forgetting pain is convinient, remembering it, agonizing''
artemis Crowley
but knowing your pain can get you to places you never knew of, it helps me, my pain is used to my advantage.
Scarlet Glitched
true. what chesire implayed at the end does make sense. and i agree fully
artemis Crowley :D
Jesus christ this is like an acid trip gone horribly wrong.
Mr0z23 4 more like a bad shrooms trip. Acid don't make you hallucinate unless you take a gang! But that's suicide.
If I'm not mistaken the original Alice in Wonderland book was written about a bad drug trip the author had.
Imagen how good this would look remastered
A hardcore, beautiful, macabre, metaphorical example of escapism.
I haven't even played this game,
And I know it must fuck with you.
The part that confuses me is how when Alice was confronting that old bastard at the trains station, she turned how she looked like in Wonderland and yet that's the "real" world...She's powerful...
She probably imagined herself as her wonderland counterpart because that's her strong/fighting side which is why as soon as you exit the train station you enter Londerland. A combination of London and Wonderland. She's hallucinating basically
Doug Jones Wish I could transform into my imagination personality...
+Zack Felix I feel the same way.
+Doug Jones but the ending is made to implicate that Bumby saw her wonderland self in the end... Though it is hard to tell...
EveRosell Bumby...Who has THAT name? Seriously what a weird name.
One of the best environmental games... That art direction... Amazing
You gotta appreciate the sound track too. It's damn good!
@@GriseWeisshark specially the Vorpal Blade Theme! The contrabass and the cello + the music box really delivers the mood for the battle!
@@crumblemuffin1257 Yeah, that! I really like the combat music. It sounds so badass.
I also like the Cards Castles in the Sky theme. It is the total opposite of the Vorpal Blade theme. It's so peaceful and makes you want to stay on the part of the game where it plays.
The game is awesome. I like how they created Alice. As an really strong character with beutiful green eyes just seems sooo powerfull
I had lots of problem with understanding this game but I did understand it now.
Amazing
As soon as queen said"make your survival mean something" I interpreted it as"EXPOSE HIM!"
I really enjoyed the game so I could never understand why it's so underrated. Now that I read some of the comments I finally got my answer(after 4 years oh well).
The game IS deep and meaningful. You won't understand the plot, characters and symbols without thinking and considering many various possibilities like "Hmm what's the true meaning behind that?" Most conservations in game Bumby/ Alice Alice/Catterpillar Alice/Queen are not clear. I had to watch them over and over to comprehend the hidden sense behind those intricate words. People who are too lazy or ignorant to do that won't enjoy the game. As for me I enjoyed both- the game and interpreting it . To put it simple, the game is DEMANDING and therefore not for everyone.
That's why some people should stick to their Call od Duties, Duke Nukems and Halos, games without any plot, about mindless killing and blood in the air. Also I doubt you'd understand anything by watching PewDiePie's A:MR gameplay(which I assume by reading some of the comments).
+Kruukk
Halo actually does have a good back story to it but... it doesn't seem well represented by the game itself.
+Kruukk You also have to get the "memories" collectibles to get a better grasp of the story.
It isn't that hard to understand, though. Even without most of those "collectibles", I could understand it. The problem is that people tend to forget that they aren't playing the "sane OP hero", but instead, an ill-mental protagonist.
+Kruukk I didn't understand it at all, still enjoyed it, I really loved their vocabulary too.
''Some half-wit bruiser will make you his sweetheart... and then you'll hang!'' I love it.
I know the basics, her family died in the fire, the doctor is the reason, Lizzie is her sister and the queen takes on the form of Lizzie. That's about it of what I know xD
but there is deeper meaning behind everything, those fucked up things you see, its her madness, it all tells you something about her. I don't get it and I didn't get the ending, if she went completely insane or has some magical powers.
Then there is the other lands, where she enters the mind of other people. I don't get it but I can't get enough of it.
www.change.org/p/ea-games-let-american-mcgee-make-a-new-alice-game support next Alice game!
tageneislover Yeah! 8|
I forgot this game existed, and what a fever dream this was.
underrated masterpiece,this is easily one of my favorite games
Such a beautiful yet sad game, I love this types of games, twisted yet mesmerizing.
I only came here because pewdiepie didn't finish the game
Me too!
Me too
Same
Hey, me too!
Same ㅠㅠ
i like this alice
me too
natsu GRAY the first game is even better
holisticmaryjane what first game?
Awkward Jared American Alice McGee is the first game . Alice: Madness Returns is the sequel.
Albino Alpaca My favourite will always be Kathyrn Beaumont.
3:36 made me realize the asylum scene is a hallucination and not actually a past experience. It may have pieces from what Alice experienced previously at Rutledge, but the doctor says that he had cleared her to leave and then she had come back. Alice never came back to Rutledge after she was released. This is what I believe she thinks would happen had she be made to return. I looked into this mainly because of the lobotomy scene, which obviously would render her debilitated and unresponsive, meaning she wouldn’t be as eloquently spoken and coherent as she typically is when shown in London. This might have cleared some things up for those that looked into that a bit.
Wait I'm really curious on what happened to Alice during her 10 years at the asylum. I know she was essentially tortured there for 10 years. Did they really drill a hole in her head!? And put leeches on her body!? :O I feel bad for the poor girl and continue to shiver at all the medical "treatments" they did back in those days. It's a scary thought. But yes, I'm curious about the things they did like what they showed in her hallucination of what she experienced. Especially the hole in the head thing :/
All those events happened to Alice. The hole in the head thing is called trepanning and it's more common than you think...
During her final year, she began to hallucinate about Wonderland again, and realised she needed to get better. So she defeated the evil within her and was able to leave the asylum eventually.
***** Ah never heard of trepanning before, but that's really interesting. Thanks!
***** Holy shit! I didn't really think it was possible to even still be alive after getting a hole drilled in your head! LOL Screw all who say that video games are only for kids. :P This one is obviously not. Haha Probably also not for the faint of heart. :/
Hey Olivia.
You know what? Alice does not exist.
Do not feel bad about it, time heals.
Leonid Slauto Hey Leonid. You know what? Duh Alice does not exist. I never said she did. I was asking a question about what happened in canon.
Made the confusing ending thing a thing before Bioshock Infinite and Neil Druckmann made it a thing.
hehehehe Alice created the cliché copycats!
BubbleArcadia what?!
I feel like I'm the only person on earth that got the ending of bioshock infinite without having to look it up
Mr-Kal-9000 me too.
I feel like the only one who realizes that the entire ending of bioshock infinite is pointless and they break their own time/dimension traveling rules.
As someone who has no knowledge of the lore, has never played the game, or watched the movie...
What the hell
What’s truly terrifying is all of the barbaric methods portrayed in this game were *actual* “Treatments” that were used at one point in history
God...... This Game ruined my childhood
The Alice that i know went to wonderland because she wanted to follow a white rabbit then she wanted to go home because she was sad and lonely then she realized that it was all just a dream and then went home with her older sister
And this Alice is.... it is cool and gory (which i like) but i really dont understand the storyyyyyy
Iyumi-Chan the original Alice was a real girl. Lewis Carroll created a story for her and her sister. This version is awesome.
Gaden Rhoss Okay but what's that section of bald Alice in a hospital? is that her reality?
What's her reality?
She stayed in Wonderland to not deal with the real life? and what's real?
Fabricio Fonseca Solis the asylum is reality all the procedures and hypnosis fractured memories so towards the end wonderland meshed into her reality so she wouldn't become a brain dead doll, thats what the references to wonderland are when she stops fighting with the queen ,the queen is just another part of her that handles her darker memories
If you want to know the darker situation of the game, I can say. The whole game was not only about her trying to recover the memory of that day but to stop her Wonderland from going mad again. Bumby, the whole time, was trying to make her forget everything that happened, not only to cover his tracks of being the murderer of her family but also to sell Alice as a "blank toy" to molesters.
@@zoe-pu5bb wait wait, who's Bumpy again?
Nobody:
Alice walking; ⬅️⬇️⬆️⤵️⬅️↩⬇️⬇️⬆️⤵️⤵️
Like a zombie on Crack xD
Like a zombie on Crack xD
Come thru TH-cam Recommendations.
I didn't know what this was, but I am living
I love how they made the queen short tempered just like in the original alice in wonderland :)