It was a skill obtained from Igris called "Ruler's Authority" which Jinwoo used to call his dagger back. It's like telekinesis. Two factors affecting the extraction of shadows are: 1. Strength of the target, if they are way stronger than Jin woo, he can't extract it. 2. Time since death.
There's also a slight factor of desire. If they _want_ to serve him, then the strength difference can be overcome in a way. That's never stated, and I know this is my own personal opinion, but I feel like it's implied. Edit: Someone else put it in better words. It's his willpower and level vs. theirs. And they do mention willpower when he first gets the ability, I think.
@@kaasimalam5848 The A rank was weaker than JinWoo. His consent wasn't a factor. But someone who actually wants to serve him can arise even when they're stronger (Igris).
Sung Jin-Woo said at the end, "That's the third time," likely referring to the third time he has killed humans, suggesting he is starting to grow accustomed to it, which will likely be explored later on! :)
@@dwnkaomwn3953The 1st time it was a system requirement. He would’ve been penalized if he didn’t. The 2nd time was self defense because Kang Taeshik was a psychopath. This time however, Sung Jinwoo instigated it. He threw a sword at Kim Chul to wake him up knowing he was going to charge at Sung. Kim was weakened, hungry & exhausted he wasn’t a legitimate threat.
@@dwnkaomwn3953 You're right, but again it seems like a moral dilemma for Jin Woo and not necessarily for the viewer. I've read the manhwa and it seems like the anime is focusing more into the moral implications of Jin Woo's powers than the manhwa did. Perhaps the LN spent more time on it (which I haven't read, and I think the anime is adapting the LN), but in the manhwa there were almost no times where Jin Woo thought about the moral implications of killing a human (unless I'm misremembering). And in this episode it seems like they adjusted some scenes in order to add an anime only part in the bathroom when he's thinking about how he just killed another human being.
As someone who's fully covered the source material I like the pacing but they are skipping so much slice of life stuff in between, like his makeover before meeting the teacher and him getting a bank account
@@Jakkob37 True. And is it weird that I find the Baruka fight's pacing much better in the webtoon? Ngl, the animation is good here but I feel like something is missing?
@@mnm-zo8ngin webtoon they show sung sliding the sword back to kim, knowing that he will attack sung and thus giving sung an excuse to kill a human (This excuse is for himself and not anyone else)
@@mnm-zo8ngthank you. Someone said it. Manhwa fight felt much tougher to me somehow. Maybe it's been just too long since I read it a year ago. Anyway.... cutting slice of life moments is a no-no.
I think you are answering yourself, Sung Jinwoo treats Igris like a person because he respects him and has earned... Chul no. They are both his servants. But Sung treats Iron like a pet at best. 20:52
11:56 this is honestly one of my favorite things about Solo Leveling. Even though they are dead, the summons still retain enough sentience to have their own distinct personalities
7:38, favorite part of the episode. 24:55, it WAS "strategic" btw, he straight up kicked that sword towards Kims unconscious body when he performed his dash skill so when Kim woke up he'd see the sword and try to use it on him, so technically it was self defense.
Enslaving him for eternity wasn’t tho thats the point and I like that they atleast questioning that because most reactors just dont give a crap about it even though it shows that jinwoo is questioning how it’s becoming easy for him to accept it
Yeah to be clear we’re not coming down one way or another, it’s still to early to see how jiwoo will turn out. We are, however, raising the question of the ethics of such a thing It’s pretty well established in most fantasy that necromancy is a morally questionable school of magic
@@AcedOnezI do agree making him part of the army is morally questionable, however it’s weird that everyone is upset that he killed Kim, when he’s killed other people for less…the other two times he’s killed the people were specifically targeting him first and the system told him to kill, but they were out of self defense. Kim got his team killed, blamed the lower ranks he kicked out of his party, and then threatened them, by sword, for merely surviving. This includes Song-Yi, who Jinwoo was there to protect and show the dangers of being a hunter, and then Jinwoo gives him an opportunity to get out of the way and escape, or help Jinwoo fight, but instead Kim picks up the sword and threatens to kill Jinwoo…regardless Kim was going to die, by Baruka’s hand, or because he threatened Jinwoo.
Your giving Iron a lot of credit...guy was willing to immediately abandon people at the start of the dungeon, and then cause he failed was willing to kill them just because they survived better than he did. He attacked sung, so his death was warranted. his soul? well consider it his little hell.
25:05 it was premeditated but not as far as you think. In the LN Jinwoo kicked Kim Chul's sword to within Chul's reach because Jinwoo knew Chul was the type to blame others and try to backstab him. If Kim Chul had kept the group together and tried to protect everyone. He and his entire party could have spent the time camping. While Jinwoo slowly ranged out of their campsite and hunted more of the magic beast groups grinding and increasing his shadow soldiers (there were more magic beast there other than the bears and elves.) Chul was followed by the elves to the camp
So to explain jinwoo capturing his pokemon i mean shadow He needs to do it closer to death time if the corpse he is summoning is been dead for so long it will fail Also his level needs to be higher than the pokemon So baruka needing to be 3v1 means jinwoo is not strong enough to capture him Jinwoo only got igris becoz of his talk no jutsu igris allowed himself to be summoned
Every thing is real. Nothing is simulation. Nothing is game. System is powerful enough to not only affect Jinwoo but also people around him. Are shadows person's soul? Were bosses waiting for 1000 years? Why did it glitched? Everything will be answered. Unlike first season, this season is a bit lore heavy.
Could be my sociopathy talking but... If the deceased can be useful why not use them? It's not like extraction doesn't leave a body behind if retrieval is possible unlike traditional necromancy, and it seems that the extracted person or persons retain at least a bit of agency over their actions (Kim going ape on the dead Elf King for example).
@@VirtuousWanderer Because the deceased person didn't consent to essentially being enslaved forever. If it is their actual soul and not a copy, then sung is literally taking their agency away and forcing them to serve him with 0 choice. If the person willingly agrees and says "yeah you can use me after I die" then it's fine, otherwise it's hella fucked up.
It’s definitely an interesting debate but at the end of the day it’s a fictional story so thinking too deep about a topic which will be explored later in the future won’t be of help
When the knife disappears, he's putting it into his inventory, but when he his pulling it, he's using the telekinesis ability from defeating igris back in episode 11. In episode 12 he is seen dragging troops around with it. Also when Iron screams with his red aura, that is an agro, so the elf attacks him instead
Just to explain a details you missed in this episode but the readers of the manhwa knows, Jin Woo didn't kill Kim just because he tried to kill him, but if you read carefully the what he was saying, you will notice that he thinked he needed more man power to win and than he noticed the sword of Kim, he than used his attack to Barok to send the sword to Kim so he can attack him. That's why Kim said that Jin Woo know he would attack him and that's also why just before Kim attacked him, he (Jin woo) said that he used the mage attack to "buy some times" for Kim to attack and than Igris used the snow so that the humans doesn't see Jin Woo kill and Arise Kim.
It is actually assumed that Jinwoo is like that. He doesn't mind enslaving a soul that has caused him issues. He is a character that is very black and white in how he sees other characters, either you are friends or enemies
It just could be my interpretation, but: - Kim was an ass and showed Jin-Woo no respect, so he got a new name and is treated like a tool. - Igris showed Jin-woo respect in life, and thus I think he is treated with the same respect as a person. Great reaction as always guys! Enjoyed reviewing the analytical side of it all with you.
Yea, its their soul being enslaved. Also there is a rules in the reincarnating ritual as shadow. 1. They must be lower level than the summoner. In this case, it will succeed. 2. The soul must either don't have strong spirit. Otherwise, it will fail. 3. Regardless of 1 and 2, if the soul will itself to be summoned, they will accept the arise command. I.E Igris. Also as for why Jinwoo is becoming more inclined to murder and killing people, it was explained in the first season inexplicitly. The more he used his power, the more he kill, the more of his morality corroded due to the system. The reason is spoiler for later on so I will not say it. There is more to this like how much do they retain personality and etc, but I will not say it since its a spoiler for the post-final arc. Just know it will be revealed eventually.
Yes That's actually why Jinwoo was Able To Get Igris Even Though igris is Several Times Higher Level Than Jinwoo Probably like Level 68 Based on the stats he gets(5 Attribute points per level) While Baruka is Probably About Level 65.
@@kaizel2264 Explain to me why you think Igris is stronger than baruka. Jinwoo did say that even with Igris and himself fighting him together, they might not win.
@@HamzaKhan-wu6um A living Igris would likely be strong enough to win against Baruka. Jinwoo was referring to Shadow Igris while fighting Baruka, which is significantly nerfed. Like he said, had Igris fought all out with their sword during their first fight, he would not have won.
One factor considering the reality of beings within a dungeon -- dungeon breaks occur. Real monsters come out of the dungeon into the world. So it is pretty clear they have an existence of their own.
It's possible too that the dungeons "spawn" randomly in an instanced way, and dont *technically* exist until the gate spawns. I dono though I have not read the source material.
Hi, I’m a Manwa reader and I can confirm that when he makes something a shadow soldier, it is actually the person’s soul. Also, this is not spoilers, the show literally says so in episode 12 of season 1 when he is receiving the Shadow Monarch title.
The reason why the armored man turned into a big, giant monster with horns and is different is simply because he is a human being and not a monster, so he embodies his capabilities or ability, and since he is a defensive fighter, he turned into a giant monster capable of defending and attacking fiercely. For example, if Jin-Woo killed the red-haired man with glasses and turned him into a shadow, he would turn into a flaming monster, perhaps because he is a human being.
@@DIZIZNOTAMOON_LOOKCLOSELYI feel like even the Jeju Island thing you could still justify it as a copy and paste kind of ability. I'd use the origin of the powers as my clarification as to why it's definitely their souls.
A lot of what they ask about at the end is covered much later on. But what will the anime cover to the original is still unknown. We now they have left out stuff. Like here in the red gate we are missing a C rank as well as the 2nd group of Ice bears. But we have to trust them
@@DIZIZNOTAMOON_LOOKCLOSELY Probably not a spoiler. Considering the summons keep their general personality, and the manhwa/LN don’t really touch on the exact specifications of whether it’s the soul or a copy (Unless I forgot), I don’t think it’s a spoiler.
@@lostkingsofanime6075 Not anything you mentioned that the anime left out is really that important. It is just details like the manwha also did compared to the novel.
Well, maybe Jinwoo really had to k!ll that A-rank hunter anyway cause with that guy's intention to k!ll Jinwoo, the system will just give Jinwoo another "urgent quest" but Jinwoo said he needed more fighting force so yeah..
Yooo I just looked back very slowly and when Jinwoo and Barca rush at each other after exchanging names, you can literally see Jinwoo position the sword behind him to go towards Kim Chul lol
yeah, Iron is legit just the corpse of Kim Chul forced into obedience to Sung Jin Woo, he has some of his personality as well but can't talk or disobey. Essentially think of Jin Woo's ability as this Hellsing Ultimate Abridged quote, whose main character has a similar ability: "Hope you don't mind, i brought some friends!.. Associates? ... Slaves; i br- i brought slaves"
9:15 if you remember in s1 when he killed humans for the first time, its obviously that the system gives him quest to kill someone of they have murderous intent towards him and the fight was hard enough as he said earlier that he wouldn't have won without the help of iron. So it might seem fked up but its also reasonable
There is a key scene they cut out that i WISH they didnt cut... The sword next to Jinwoo during the boss fight (Kim's sword), he actually subtly kicks it over to Kim (intentionally) to set up/provoke Kim to attack him so Jinwoo can justify killing him and if there were any "witnesses", they would claim Kim attacked Jinwoo. It's so important for Jinwoo's character development growth too because its actually an extremely thought out an diabolical move. They do an alright job after that but its a very important detail in my opinion.
Exactly. I don’t understand why they have any sympathy for a guy that purposely left weak members to die and literally tried to kill the main character
@@mhsabik8158 in a way i can see your perspective on why y’all see it as fucked up, yet even though it may be i would hope you would do what you have to do if your life is on the line as well.. or maybe not which is cool too.
Oh... If you think that is so messed up. In the Manhwa Jin-Woo actually kicks the sword over to him, knowing he will run to attack him. Basically setting it up. They hint to it in this episode where Jin-Woo looks at the sword sticking out of the ground from where he kicked him over, and saying he needed more power. And then it shows the sword next to him laying on the ground where it was never over there when he was originally got kicked. Just food for thought.
@@pipercharms7374 Ill have to go back and re-watch it again, I keep missing where he actually kicks it to him, cause in the Manhwa its super intentional
A lot of what you are talking about should be answered much later but could be in this season or start of S3. But you didn’t talk about them saying he’s not human. Also he did plan to kill him as not shown but in the LN he kicks the sword back over to him. If he helps in the fight he lives if he attacks he dies. They just didn’t show it unfortunately.
Epic fight and it’s not even the main fight of the season! Sung Jin Woo's latest mirror clip made me rizz up and I'm a man 😂 Catching the arrow in mid-air was fireee🔥🔥
10:59 remember thats igris' power that he gained adfter defeating him. it's basically telekinesis bbut he needs to level it up to be able to pick heavy things
That “person” was trying to kill him and the others for his own mistake and failure… Also he has only killed humans that tried to kill him, he isnt a murderer just killing others to grow stronger or hide his secret.
He is enslaving him for eternity though if you look at it surface level it is baddass that he can do that but morally it is fucked up and the manwha is swiftly making the readers question that for a reason
@ but that’s him deciding who gets to die in peace which he shouldn’t have that authority realistically he was a nice guy in the eyes of jinwoo but honestly jinwoo doesn’t know him so it’s assuming he didn’t do anything that’s questionable kimchul could’ve been not a so bad guy in real life but he deemed him not deserving of a normal death? You cant really defend what jinwoo which i think makes him a more interesting character
Oh ALSO, the reason why he killed that tank guy is that the system forces him to fight back whenever he's being attacked by someone with an intent to kill. We've seen it a couple of times back in season 1, Jinwoo even mentions that the system is "very sensitive" to this. He obviously provoked the Iron dude and planned to revive him but his justification is that "the system forced me to".
there is, iirc, some wordplay/pun with the new summon Iron and the name of the hunter he was before, whose name in korean can be read as iron (again, iirc, the translation note for this, either in the manhwa or the light novel when I read 4-5ish years ago) [I know, a totally banal tangent, but still]
The guy left all of them to die in the first place, came back to kill the lower ranked people (not exactly a toddler compared to them now) and tried to kill jin woo (in which even when luring kim still had the right to defend himself) and could be a distraction in a life and death battle thats why the lower ranks had the brain to move out of the way also. Plus youll know more about iron in the future
6:50 it is not really a simulation, there is more to it but you will have to wait a little while until the explanation gets adapted. 9:45 their souls are inside the shadows, you can see they have the same personalities as they had while being alive, but once they are under Jinwoo's control they have to obey him (so even if Kim hates him, his personality won't change much, the only thing changing are his emotions towards his new "king") 11:00 he got that ability after he won against Igris (Igris used that ability to summon his sword and go for the final hit when Jinwoo was sitting on the throne. Jinwoo also tested that ability in the penalty area) 16:36 he can't get beings stronger than himself under his control *unless* said being willingly accepts to be summoned under Jinwoo's control, that's why he couldn't get the boss. He got Igris because Igris accepted to serve "the man in front of him instead of waiting for a king long gone" (i believe there will be more details on exactly how the summoning works in the future, but i can't quite remember) 26:25 he already "talked" about how he feels killing people (season 1 ep9). The dialogue there might also give you a few other answers you were looking for edit: in the anime they kinda made it look like a "fake" scenario, but in the manhwa it looked a bit different (more like they were either silenced or they couldn't find the right words to answer his questions), as for the dungeon 18:38 i really can't remember, but since the original dungeon was a cave and then it turned red and they woke up in the mountains i'm assuming the dungeon itself is an alternate universe or something like that. Or maybe all the red gates are alternate universes if they all work like that (as in.. normal dungeon->red gate->wake up in a random place unrelated to the original dungeon)
I wonder how sympathetic you'd be towards someone who left you out in the woods to be eaten by bears, later on shows up trying to kill your friends while screaming it's all your fault and then comes running at you with a sword when you're already struggling to fight someone else much stronger than you. He threw away his soul when he threw away the lower ranks, all Jinwoo did was pick it up and put it to good use.
It’s not a question of sympathy Of course it’s understandable that he is irrational. But if he is in the middle of a psychotic break, then is it more moral to kill him or to also try and save him so her can recover and grow and possibly regain his sanity. Now we’ll never know if that was possible.
@@BOLDcast Given Jinwoo's experience with other "lovely" hunters and being backstabbed by them, how's he to even know that this is a psychotic break and not just the way this guy is? Kim seemed perfectly clear headed when he threw them all away like trash (Jinwoo included), so he didn't seem to care much for "weakling's" lives to begin with, and it's not like they had much time to chat when Jinwoo had to stop Kim from murdering everyone in the camp. Would it have been more moral for Jinwoo to gamble everyone's lives to save this guy? The one that's literally still trying to kill them? Because another thing "now we'll never know" is if they could have won that fight without Iron, and at least Jinwoo seemed to think they couldn't.
Just ending his life is not the issue. Resurrecting and essentially enslaving him for an indefinite period of time AFTER you have already killed him is pretty messed up. In pretty much every country that would be considered a "cruel and unusual punishment," you have already punished him by ending his life but now you subject him to an eternity of 0 agency on a whim. Especially when SJW is not an all-seeing god, he isn't fit to make that type of judgement to literally eternally enslave somebody that he has only seen for 5 minutes out of their like 30 years of life. Killing in self defense/war is acceptable, eternal enslavement is not.
@@BOLDcast I think the point is that Sung Jinwoo and Igris weren't strong enough to kill the boss and the boss could very well have killed him and the people he's trying to protect if he didn't make the choices he made. Rather than be self-sacrificing and righteous, the reason he got abandoned in the first place, he is resorting to self preservation to save everyone and did not hesitate to use Kim as a sacrifice to win the fight and save everyone
Well technically it isnt a step further coz that dumb guy charged at Jinwoo in middle of a fight and he told that he needs a stronger force even with Jinwoo and Igris himself to resist Barca . So Kim chul being dumb + Jinwoo needing his shadow to survive battle resulted in him needing to kill him
Soooooo about Iron/The a rank hunter he made apart of his army. It is his soul. I can't fully give you the answers you want without spoilers. Honestly just don't think about it too deep. At some point you'll learn more about stuff around this. When that episode is released I'll explain. But truly just don't think about it too much. The writer didn't really think people would be that bothered by what happened. That's as much as I can say for now.
9:10 The system is designed to protect the player. Therefore, Kim's clear intention to cause harm is triggering the system, and Jinwoo simply goes along with it. Cold indeed.
24:54 Actually Lindsey is right, in the manga Jinwoo did strategically lure Hunter Kim in to kill him. He kicked his sword over to where he lay passed out knowing Kim would try to kill him as soon as he woke up so it was premeditated.
Jinwoo is angry at Kim Chul. In the LN the red gate had a lot different types of magic beast not just bears and elves. Chul encountered different types before his party was ambushed. Jinwoo could have spent a few more days recruiting different types of beasts
how was that messed up? the guy was literally trying to kill him...the guys he killed in the first season (except the guild associaion guy) were no match for Jinwoo but he still killed them, he could have just taken the penelty and knocked them out. But no he killed them, and if someone is gonna try to kill me im gonna try to kill em right back especially if ive got a system over top of me giving me life endangering penelties, and if he's gonna die anyways i might as well use his strength from life for my own gain if i can so i can survive future fights. I see nothing wrong with Jinwoo's actions. Also he could retrieve and manipulate his weapon because of rulers hand when he defeated Igris
Kim Chul was decided to kill Jinwoo, thus making him a threat, and it's the system that required Jinwoo to eliminate the threat. It was not shown but that's the reason why Jinwoo wasn't too affected by it since it was not like he wanted to kill just coz he felt like it. He had to do it or the system makes his heart stop. Two birds with one stone, he made use of Kim Chul for his purpose ato survive and and save the remaining people with him.
The anime removed the Webtoon scene where Jinwoo deliberately kicked the sword at 8:15, so that it lands near Kim Chul and baiting him to attack. Its a deliberate plan so that he has a justification to unalive and turn him to a shadow.
Sung Jin-Woo had no choice when he had Igris took out Kim Chul, remember the first two times when he had to kill humans was first with Hwang Dongsuk's party and the second time with Kang Taeshik both of those times the system told Sung Jin-Woo to kill them or be killed himself by the system stopping his heart if he refused. So it's either kill or be killed, I see it as self defense with Kim Chul. Also towards the end of this episode Sung Jin-Woo mentioned "That's the third time", which he referred to that he had to kill humans to survive.
Fun fact : In the manhwa Jinwoo does something even more cruel ,after Kim Chul wakes up in the middle of the battle between SJW & Barca ,Sung notices that he woke up and sensing that he is gonna attack him ,he kicks Kim's sword toward him(unlike in the anime his sword was not near him) to give him a weapon and an excuse for SJW to kill him in "self-defense" ,so in other words he baits him to attack him and he pretty much killed him bcz he could not win by himself & Igris ,as he said "I need a stronger fighting force" in the manhwa right after saying that he glances back at Kim Chul and then as I said kicks the sword at him. That was cold blooded.
24:00 Revenge exists and it transcends time. The toddler will grow up and could be a problem in the future. Same thing with the other people trying to kill Jinwoo which is a recurring theme. They want him dead & it's not like Jinwoo is indiscriminately killing. Better nip the bud early and hunters are already like aware they can die with their line of work. (Not advocating for anyone killing in real life, I'm just making up some twisted logic)
Friendly reminder that the FIRST line Jin Woo said after he chose 'Arise' as his command phrase was, "I wonder if I can get A or S ranked shadows." xD lmao. Jin Woo really took away his name though which is somehow darker to me haha
Probably my fav ep of the anime, as soon as the ep began I felt a spike in quality. Now I wanna play Elden ring, anyone know a build that can be similar to jinwoo?🤣
Since S1 there is this arc about him changing not only his body but his mind we saw how Killing people dosen bother him anymore and this may be a step ahead on that regard
JIn Woo's use of Kim Chul wasn't premeditated, but dude did step up to get shut down fairly, and with that death came an opportunity to survive. I don't think the ramifications of his necromancy will be fully explored yet, (the class change trial was originally going to give him the "necromancer" class, which he wasn't initially happy with, so take that into consideration for what he might actually be doing when he raises someone.) The fact that he recognizes he's killed humans 3 times is a factor for now, but he's also a lot less emotionally affected by it than most people would be at killing humans at all. It just kinda amounted to "Dang, that's the 3rd time... oh well, time for breakfast."
A little refresher Jin-Woo only has 3 attempts to resurrect someone the first time. Something not really shown in the anime, is that human who Jin-Woo killed was already dying from the elves poison, so he was dead no matter what, and he was also trying to kill Jin-Woo there at the end as well. So, screw him.
I don’t think that Jinwoo did anything wrong honestly bro left the rest of the team to die and got killed bcoz he was trying to kill the other members along with our MC if he wouldn’t have done it the system probably would’ve told him to later on a morally questionable character is much more interesting than a person who blindly believes in what’s right or has a white knight syndrome.
You should notice that there are two types of these dungeons. One which jinwoo opens like the igris one and then the world gates which appear out of nowhere so there is difference in both of these gates. Just to let you know
Yea he could retrieve his Dagger back,I guess you forgot when he defeated Igris he got he special move called Rulers Hand,Igris also used it when he fought Jinwoo
if you think about it kim was trying to kill jinwoo anyways so jinwoo had no chance but to kill him and he might as well arise him since hes dead anyways. plus he needed another fighting force to beat the boss anyways.
So far the humans he killed were trying to do the same to him, so fair is fair. I wonder if he would've killed the tank guy if he tried helping with the boss instead of running at Jinwoo screaming his name 😂
it is very much their very soul and jinwoo knows it, the system clearly stated it when he got the class. he is well aware that what he did is beyond morality but since all "three times" showed how he is losing this part of his conscience little by little.
Self sacrificing and righteousness is what led Sung Jinwoo to be backstabbed and betrayed; that left a scar on him and made him the self preservation person that he is now. Sung and Igris were not strong enough to defeat the boss, he even said he needed a stronger fighting force. Sung made the choice to save himself and the people he's trying to protect over protecting his morals and what's right and that decision saved him and the low ranks
I think in the manhwa it was better portrayed that he was struggling against the boss and he needed, like you said, some kind of edge that can tip the scales. He kicked the Kim's sword towards him so he can bait him into attacking so he can have an excuse to kill him and use his shadow so he can win the fight otherwise he might've lost, so he choose his survival and the rest over his morals of using that guy that bear ill will towards them from start. At least thats my interpretation but questioning his empathy is still a valid point.
Jinwoo now has named shadows for melee DPS and tank classes. Now all he needs is a named caster DPS and a named shadow that can heal.... 👺🐜 I really hope Hwang Dongsoo doesn't let his Greed get the better of him... 😏
It was a skill obtained from Igris called "Ruler's Authority" which Jinwoo used to call his dagger back. It's like telekinesis. Two factors affecting the extraction of shadows are:
1. Strength of the target, if they are way stronger than Jin woo, he can't extract it.
2. Time since death.
There also seems to be an element of consent, given that he only succeeded with Igris after appealing to his chivalry.
@@PersonOfNoConsequence In that case why did the A rank who turned into iron become a shadow?
@@PersonOfNoConsequence actually no. It's not consent. It's actually willpower.
There's also a slight factor of desire. If they _want_ to serve him, then the strength difference can be overcome in a way. That's never stated, and I know this is my own personal opinion, but I feel like it's implied.
Edit: Someone else put it in better words. It's his willpower and level vs. theirs. And they do mention willpower when he first gets the ability, I think.
@@kaasimalam5848 The A rank was weaker than JinWoo. His consent wasn't a factor. But someone who actually wants to serve him can arise even when they're stronger (Igris).
Sung Jin-Woo said at the end, "That's the third time," likely referring to the third time he has killed humans, suggesting he is starting to grow accustomed to it, which will likely be explored later on! :)
Well, it's not like Sung Jin-Woo wanted to kill those guys, but it was him and his friends or them.
Not that he's growing accustomed to it but actually that he's losing his own humanity
@@dwnkaomwn3953The 1st time it was a system requirement. He would’ve been penalized if he didn’t. The 2nd time was self defense because Kang Taeshik was a psychopath. This time however, Sung Jinwoo instigated it. He threw a sword at Kim Chul to wake him up knowing he was going to charge at Sung. Kim was weakened, hungry & exhausted he wasn’t a legitimate threat.
@@dwnkaomwn3953 He could literally subdue Kim Chul but sometimes... you just need another man to get the job done 😂😂
@@dwnkaomwn3953 You're right, but again it seems like a moral dilemma for Jin Woo and not necessarily for the viewer. I've read the manhwa and it seems like the anime is focusing more into the moral implications of Jin Woo's powers than the manhwa did. Perhaps the LN spent more time on it (which I haven't read, and I think the anime is adapting the LN), but in the manhwa there were almost no times where Jin Woo thought about the moral implications of killing a human (unless I'm misremembering). And in this episode it seems like they adjusted some scenes in order to add an anime only part in the bathroom when he's thinking about how he just killed another human being.
im kinda loving this new boldcast era of trying to have the most fun with the shows and just enjoying whats good about it
we're loving it too!
As someone who's fully covered the source material I like the pacing but they are skipping so much slice of life stuff in between, like his makeover before meeting the teacher and him getting a bank account
@@Jakkob37 True. And is it weird that I find the Baruka fight's pacing much better in the webtoon? Ngl, the animation is good here but I feel like something is missing?
@@mnm-zo8ngin webtoon they show sung sliding the sword back to kim, knowing that he will attack sung and thus giving sung an excuse to kill a human (This excuse is for himself and not anyone else)
@@mnm-zo8ngthank you. Someone said it. Manhwa fight felt much tougher to me somehow. Maybe it's been just too long since I read it a year ago.
Anyway.... cutting slice of life moments is a no-no.
I think you are answering yourself, Sung Jinwoo treats Igris like a person because he respects him and has earned... Chul no. They are both his servants. But Sung treats Iron like a pet at best. 20:52
11:56 this is honestly one of my favorite things about Solo Leveling. Even though they are dead, the summons still retain enough sentience to have their own distinct personalities
I agree with you here l love it❤
Sung Jin-Woo catching the arrow in mid-air was PEAK 🔥
A1 popped off with that scene.
not just that if you have keen eyes he actually stabbed the arrow head on the elf's side before cutting them into pieces.
I agree with you iş cold moment🥶❤️
7:38, favorite part of the episode.
24:55, it WAS "strategic" btw, he straight up kicked that sword towards Kims unconscious body when he performed his dash skill so when Kim woke up he'd see the sword and try to use it on him, so technically it was self defense.
Enslaving him for eternity wasn’t tho thats the point and I like that they atleast questioning that because most reactors just dont give a crap about it even though it shows that jinwoo is questioning how it’s becoming easy for him to accept it
Yeah to be clear we’re not coming down one way or another, it’s still to early to see how jiwoo will turn out. We are, however, raising the question of the ethics of such a thing
It’s pretty well established in most fantasy that necromancy is a morally questionable school of magic
@@BOLDcast as you should question the ethics.
@@AcedOnezI do agree making him part of the army is morally questionable, however it’s weird that everyone is upset that he killed Kim, when he’s killed other people for less…the other two times he’s killed the people were specifically targeting him first and the system told him to kill, but they were out of self defense. Kim got his team killed, blamed the lower ranks he kicked out of his party, and then threatened them, by sword, for merely surviving. This includes Song-Yi, who Jinwoo was there to protect and show the dangers of being a hunter, and then Jinwoo gives him an opportunity to get out of the way and escape, or help Jinwoo fight, but instead Kim picks up the sword and threatens to kill Jinwoo…regardless Kim was going to die, by Baruka’s hand, or because he threatened Jinwoo.
In manwha when kims wants to attack jinwoo, its make emergency quest like before when someone wants to kill jinwoo, but not in the anime
Your giving Iron a lot of credit...guy was willing to immediately abandon people at the start of the dungeon, and then cause he failed was willing to kill them just because they survived better than he did. He attacked sung, so his death was warranted. his soul? well consider it his little hell.
His voice so cold k agree with you here
25:05 it was premeditated but not as far as you think. In the LN Jinwoo kicked Kim Chul's sword to within Chul's reach because Jinwoo knew Chul was the type to blame others and try to backstab him.
If Kim Chul had kept the group together and tried to protect everyone. He and his entire party could have spent the time camping. While Jinwoo slowly ranged out of their campsite and hunted more of the magic beast groups grinding and increasing his shadow soldiers (there were more magic beast there other than the bears and elves.) Chul was followed by the elves to the camp
Him retrieving the dagger was the skill he gain when he killed Igris. He displayed it against the mages in job change quest
So to explain jinwoo capturing his pokemon i mean shadow
He needs to do it closer to death time if the corpse he is summoning is been dead for so long it will fail
Also his level needs to be higher than the pokemon
So baruka needing to be 3v1 means jinwoo is not strong enough to capture him
Jinwoo only got igris becoz of his talk no jutsu igris allowed himself to be summoned
Every thing is real. Nothing is simulation. Nothing is game. System is powerful enough to not only affect Jinwoo but also people around him. Are shadows person's soul? Were bosses waiting for 1000 years? Why did it glitched? Everything will be answered. Unlike first season, this season is a bit lore heavy.
The morality behind the necromancy when it comes to real people is a topic that'll be further touched upon in the series later
Could be my sociopathy talking but... If the deceased can be useful why not use them? It's not like extraction doesn't leave a body behind if retrieval is possible unlike traditional necromancy, and it seems that the extracted person or persons retain at least a bit of agency over their actions (Kim going ape on the dead Elf King for example).
@@VirtuousWanderer
Because the deceased person didn't consent to essentially being enslaved forever. If it is their actual soul and not a copy, then sung is literally taking their agency away and forcing them to serve him with 0 choice. If the person willingly agrees and says "yeah you can use me after I die" then it's fine, otherwise it's hella fucked up.
It’s definitely an interesting debate but at the end of the day it’s a fictional story so thinking too deep about a topic which will be explored later in the future won’t be of help
When the knife disappears, he's putting it into his inventory, but when he his pulling it, he's using the telekinesis ability from defeating igris back in episode 11. In episode 12 he is seen dragging troops around with it.
Also when Iron screams with his red aura, that is an agro, so the elf attacks him instead
Just to explain a details you missed in this episode but the readers of the manhwa knows, Jin Woo didn't kill Kim just because he tried to kill him, but if you read carefully the what he was saying, you will notice that he thinked he needed more man power to win and than he noticed the sword of Kim, he than used his attack to Barok to send the sword to Kim so he can attack him. That's why Kim said that Jin Woo know he would attack him and that's also why just before Kim attacked him, he (Jin woo) said that he used the mage attack to "buy some times" for Kim to attack and than Igris used the snow so that the humans doesn't see Jin Woo kill and Arise Kim.
Jinwoo went straight to trying to resurrect the Ice Elf boss after killing it, I love it 😂
Its like Pokemon
Gotta catch em all 😂
@@redscorpion9325king he cold at endtoo❤
11:06 remember he got that skill after fighting Igris in first season. He still cant move huge objects but the knife isnt a problem
Rulers hand later rulers authority 🎉
No spoiler but multiple of your questions will be answered later on in the story
It is actually assumed that Jinwoo is like that. He doesn't mind enslaving a soul that has caused him issues. He is a character that is very black and white in how he sees other characters, either you are friends or enemies
It just could be my interpretation, but:
- Kim was an ass and showed Jin-Woo no respect, so he got a new name and is treated like a tool.
- Igris showed Jin-woo respect in life, and thus I think he is treated with the same respect as a person.
Great reaction as always guys! Enjoyed reviewing the analytical side of it all with you.
Yea, its their soul being enslaved.
Also there is a rules in the reincarnating ritual as shadow.
1. They must be lower level than the summoner. In this case, it will succeed.
2. The soul must either don't have strong spirit. Otherwise, it will fail.
3. Regardless of 1 and 2, if the soul will itself to be summoned, they will accept the arise command. I.E Igris.
Also as for why Jinwoo is becoming more inclined to murder and killing people, it was explained in the first season inexplicitly. The more he used his power, the more he kill, the more of his morality corroded due to the system. The reason is spoiler for later on so I will not say it.
There is more to this like how much do they retain personality and etc, but I will not say it since its a spoiler for the post-final arc. Just know it will be revealed eventually.
Yes That's actually why Jinwoo was Able To Get Igris Even Though igris is Several Times Higher Level Than Jinwoo Probably like Level 68 Based on the stats he gets(5 Attribute points per level)
While Baruka is Probably About Level 65.
@@kaizel2264 Explain to me why you think Igris is stronger than baruka. Jinwoo did say that even with Igris and himself fighting him together, they might not win.
@@HamzaKhan-wu6um A living Igris would likely be strong enough to win against Baruka. Jinwoo was referring to Shadow Igris while fighting Baruka, which is significantly nerfed. Like he said, had Igris fought all out with their sword during their first fight, he would not have won.
Guys the glitches are for Sung Jinwoo the system doesn't want that Sung knows much.
Dude left our team to die and tried to kill us. Might as well use him to survive, he got what he deserved.
One factor considering the reality of beings within a dungeon -- dungeon breaks occur. Real monsters come out of the dungeon into the world. So it is pretty clear they have an existence of their own.
It's possible too that the dungeons "spawn" randomly in an instanced way, and dont *technically* exist until the gate spawns. I dono though I have not read the source material.
Hi, I’m a Manwa reader and I can confirm that when he makes something a shadow soldier, it is actually the person’s soul.
Also, this is not spoilers, the show literally says so in episode 12 of season 1 when he is receiving the Shadow Monarch title.
The reason why the armored man turned into a big, giant monster with horns and is different is simply because he is a human being and not a monster, so he embodies his capabilities or ability, and since he is a defensive fighter, he turned into a giant monster capable of defending and attacking fiercely. For example, if Jin-Woo killed the red-haired man with glasses and turned him into a shadow, he would turn into a flaming monster, perhaps because he is a human being.
the theme that played when sung jin woo arised kim chul is called "SHADOWBORN" and the lyrics on it tell you alot about his necromancer abilities
It's not spoilers, it's a clarification... It's 100% their soul, no copy, no in between
i think it's a spoiler? Coz there's more details that will be answered about this summoning in the end of Jeju island arc right
@@DIZIZNOTAMOON_LOOKCLOSELYI feel like even the Jeju Island thing you could still justify it as a copy and paste kind of ability. I'd use the origin of the powers as my clarification as to why it's definitely their souls.
A lot of what they ask about at the end is covered much later on. But what will the anime cover to the original is still unknown. We now they have left out stuff. Like here in the red gate we are missing a C rank as well as the 2nd group of Ice bears. But we have to trust them
@@DIZIZNOTAMOON_LOOKCLOSELY Probably not a spoiler. Considering the summons keep their general personality, and the manhwa/LN don’t really touch on the exact specifications of whether it’s the soul or a copy (Unless I forgot), I don’t think it’s a spoiler.
@@lostkingsofanime6075 Not anything you mentioned that the anime left out is really that important. It is just details like the manwha also did compared to the novel.
Well, maybe Jinwoo really had to k!ll that A-rank hunter anyway cause with that guy's intention to k!ll Jinwoo, the system will just give Jinwoo another "urgent quest" but Jinwoo said he needed more fighting force so yeah..
'Screw the horse' indeed. Since it's on this side of the gate, it probably eats babies.
Yooo I just looked back very slowly and when Jinwoo and Barca rush at each other after exchanging names, you can literally see Jinwoo position the sword behind him to go towards Kim Chul lol
yeah, Iron is legit just the corpse of Kim Chul forced into obedience to Sung Jin Woo, he has some of his personality as well but can't talk or disobey.
Essentially think of Jin Woo's ability as this Hellsing Ultimate Abridged quote, whose main character has a similar ability:
"Hope you don't mind, i brought some friends!.. Associates? ... Slaves; i br- i brought slaves"
I don’t share ur feelings on kim being turned iron that guy was going leave the E ranks to die without a second thought
9:15 if you remember in s1 when he killed humans for the first time, its obviously that the system gives him quest to kill someone of they have murderous intent towards him and the fight was hard enough as he said earlier that he wouldn't have won without the help of iron. So it might seem fked up but its also reasonable
the dude was going to kill him, he only defended himself and simply found a better use for that fool, there's nothing messed up about that imo
@BrunoSilva1995 anime watchers don't understand because they are used to kind and idiot mc, they are scared at the sight of blood
There is a key scene they cut out that i WISH they didnt cut... The sword next to Jinwoo during the boss fight (Kim's sword), he actually subtly kicks it over to Kim (intentionally) to set up/provoke Kim to attack him so Jinwoo can justify killing him and if there were any "witnesses", they would claim Kim attacked Jinwoo. It's so important for Jinwoo's character development growth too because its actually an extremely thought out an diabolical move. They do an alright job after that but its a very important detail in my opinion.
i was so hype for iron. he's one of my favorites along with someone else i cant say
For your information his name is Baruka according to novel and his name is not Barca like cules 😂
You are hitting it hard here 19:16. The show takes that idea further... I'm so excited to see you discuss this theme further down the line!
6:29 Rejoice... this is your first lore Clue... Let them cook. I promise you wont be disappointed.
Wow finally someone who actually called out irons ability.
All the questions you are asking now will slightly be answered this season but mostly next season
kim was going to try to kill jin-woo again so i don’t see it as fucked up, more as fuck around and find out 😂
Exactly. I don’t understand why they have any sympathy for a guy that purposely left weak members to die and literally tried to kill the main character
@@Acceler8orwell he is still human and Jin woo is feeling conflicted..if there isn’t any morality then he wouldn’t be the MC😂
@@mhsabik8158 in a way i can see your perspective on why y’all see it as fucked up, yet even though it may be i would hope you would do what you have to do if your life is on the line as well.. or maybe not which is cool too.
Oh... If you think that is so messed up. In the Manhwa Jin-Woo actually kicks the sword over to him, knowing he will run to attack him. Basically setting it up. They hint to it in this episode where Jin-Woo looks at the sword sticking out of the ground from where he kicked him over, and saying he needed more power. And then it shows the sword next to him laying on the ground where it was never over there when he was originally got kicked. Just food for thought.
Jinwoo still kicks the sword over to him, its just a lot less noticeable in the anime.
@@pipercharms7374 Ill have to go back and re-watch it again, I keep missing where he actually kicks it to him, cause in the Manhwa its super intentional
06:02 😂😂😂 lmfaoo got me
A lot of what you are talking about should be answered much later but could be in this season or start of S3. But you didn’t talk about them saying he’s not human. Also he did plan to kill him as not shown but in the LN he kicks the sword back over to him. If he helps in the fight he lives if he attacks he dies. They just didn’t show it unfortunately.
Epic fight and it’s not even the main fight of the season! Sung Jin Woo's latest mirror clip made me rizz up and I'm a man 😂 Catching the arrow in mid-air was fireee🔥🔥
10:59 remember thats igris' power that he gained adfter defeating him. it's basically telekinesis bbut he needs to level it up to be able to pick heavy things
Considering how Igris is I would say that is the guy but reduced to primal form. Probably wasn't strong enough to keep his ego intact
15:52
Sung: "And?"
This man is a menace
That “person” was trying to kill him and the others for his own mistake and failure…
Also he has only killed humans that tried to kill him, he isnt a murderer just killing others to grow stronger or hide his secret.
He is enslaving him for eternity though if you look at it surface level it is baddass that he can do that but morally it is fucked up and the manwha is swiftly making the readers question that for a reason
@@AcedOnez yes and no... he can release him if he chooses
He released min byung gyu the s rank healer on jeju island raid because he was a nice person..
@@pzee99 no need to spoil people bro
@ but that’s him deciding who gets to die in peace which he shouldn’t have that authority realistically he was a nice guy in the eyes of jinwoo but honestly jinwoo doesn’t know him so it’s assuming he didn’t do anything that’s questionable kimchul could’ve been not a so bad guy in real life but he deemed him not deserving of a normal death? You cant really defend what jinwoo which i think makes him a more interesting character
The human revival thing is addressed but much later on, not sure if we'll even see it in S2
Oh ALSO, the reason why he killed that tank guy is that the system forces him to fight back whenever he's being attacked by someone with an intent to kill. We've seen it a couple of times back in season 1, Jinwoo even mentions that the system is "very sensitive" to this. He obviously provoked the Iron dude and planned to revive him but his justification is that "the system forced me to".
there is, iirc, some wordplay/pun with the new summon Iron and the name of the hunter he was before, whose name in korean can be read as iron (again, iirc, the translation note for this, either in the manhwa or the light novel when I read 4-5ish years ago) [I know, a totally banal tangent, but still]
Right now SOLO LEVELING is my officially favorite Anime❤
The guy left all of them to die in the first place, came back to kill the lower ranked people (not exactly a toddler compared to them now) and tried to kill jin woo (in which even when luring kim still had the right to defend himself) and could be a distraction in a life and death battle thats why the lower ranks had the brain to move out of the way also. Plus youll know more about iron in the future
6:50 it is not really a simulation, there is more to it but you will have to wait a little while until the explanation gets adapted.
9:45 their souls are inside the shadows, you can see they have the same personalities as they had while being alive, but once they are under Jinwoo's control they have to obey him (so even if Kim hates him, his personality won't change much, the only thing changing are his emotions towards his new "king")
11:00 he got that ability after he won against Igris (Igris used that ability to summon his sword and go for the final hit when Jinwoo was sitting on the throne. Jinwoo also tested that ability in the penalty area)
16:36 he can't get beings stronger than himself under his control *unless* said being willingly accepts to be summoned under Jinwoo's control, that's why he couldn't get the boss. He got Igris because Igris accepted to serve "the man in front of him instead of waiting for a king long gone" (i believe there will be more details on exactly how the summoning works in the future, but i can't quite remember)
26:25 he already "talked" about how he feels killing people (season 1 ep9). The dialogue there might also give you a few other answers you were looking for
edit: in the anime they kinda made it look like a "fake" scenario, but in the manhwa it looked a bit different (more like they were either silenced or they couldn't find the right words to answer his questions), as for the dungeon 18:38 i really can't remember, but since the original dungeon was a cave and then it turned red and they woke up in the mountains i'm assuming the dungeon itself is an alternate universe or something like that. Or maybe all the red gates are alternate universes if they all work like that (as in.. normal dungeon->red gate->wake up in a random place unrelated to the original dungeon)
I wonder how sympathetic you'd be towards someone who left you out in the woods to be eaten by bears, later on shows up trying to kill your friends while screaming it's all your fault and then comes running at you with a sword when you're already struggling to fight someone else much stronger than you. He threw away his soul when he threw away the lower ranks, all Jinwoo did was pick it up and put it to good use.
It’s not a question of sympathy
Of course it’s understandable that he is irrational. But if he is in the middle of a psychotic break, then is it more moral to kill him or to also try and save him so her can recover and grow and possibly regain his sanity.
Now we’ll never know if that was possible.
@@BOLDcast Given Jinwoo's experience with other "lovely" hunters and being backstabbed by them, how's he to even know that this is a psychotic break and not just the way this guy is? Kim seemed perfectly clear headed when he threw them all away like trash (Jinwoo included), so he didn't seem to care much for "weakling's" lives to begin with, and it's not like they had much time to chat when Jinwoo had to stop Kim from murdering everyone in the camp. Would it have been more moral for Jinwoo to gamble everyone's lives to save this guy? The one that's literally still trying to kill them? Because another thing "now we'll never know" is if they could have won that fight without Iron, and at least Jinwoo seemed to think they couldn't.
Just ending his life is not the issue. Resurrecting and essentially enslaving him for an indefinite period of time AFTER you have already killed him is pretty messed up. In pretty much every country that would be considered a "cruel and unusual punishment," you have already punished him by ending his life but now you subject him to an eternity of 0 agency on a whim. Especially when SJW is not an all-seeing god, he isn't fit to make that type of judgement to literally eternally enslave somebody that he has only seen for 5 minutes out of their like 30 years of life. Killing in self defense/war is acceptable, eternal enslavement is not.
@@BOLDcast I think the point is that Sung Jinwoo and Igris weren't strong enough to kill the boss and the boss could very well have killed him and the people he's trying to protect if he didn't make the choices he made. Rather than be self-sacrificing and righteous, the reason he got abandoned in the first place, he is resorting to self preservation to save everyone and did not hesitate to use Kim as a sacrifice to win the fight and save everyone
you know whats crazy is that Igris design is based on the dark souls boss artorias
Well technically it isnt a step further coz that dumb guy charged at Jinwoo in middle of a fight and he told that he needs a stronger force even with Jinwoo and Igris himself to resist Barca . So Kim chul being dumb + Jinwoo needing his shadow to survive battle resulted in him needing to kill him
Soooooo about Iron/The a rank hunter he made apart of his army. It is his soul. I can't fully give you the answers you want without spoilers. Honestly just don't think about it too deep. At some point you'll learn more about stuff around this. When that episode is released I'll explain. But truly just don't think about it too much. The writer didn't really think people would be that bothered by what happened. That's as much as I can say for now.
9:10 The system is designed to protect the player. Therefore, Kim's clear intention to cause harm is triggering the system, and Jinwoo simply goes along with it. Cold indeed.
You guys are the first to mention so much about how he killed and brought back a person. Really shows how he has changed.
24:54 Actually Lindsey is right, in the manga Jinwoo did strategically lure Hunter Kim in to kill him. He kicked his sword over to where he lay passed out knowing Kim would try to kill him as soon as he woke up so it was premeditated.
Jinwoo is angry at Kim Chul. In the LN the red gate had a lot different types of magic beast not just bears and elves.
Chul encountered different types before his party was ambushed. Jinwoo could have spent a few more days recruiting different types of beasts
This was an epic reaction! I love how you two immediately understood the moral implications of human necromancy without the anime holding your hands.
how was that messed up? the guy was literally trying to kill him...the guys he killed in the first season (except the guild associaion guy) were no match for Jinwoo but he still killed them, he could have just taken the penelty and knocked them out. But no he killed them, and if someone is gonna try to kill me im gonna try to kill em right back especially if ive got a system over top of me giving me life endangering penelties, and if he's gonna die anyways i might as well use his strength from life for my own gain if i can so i can survive future fights.
I see nothing wrong with Jinwoo's actions.
Also he could retrieve and manipulate his weapon because of rulers hand when he defeated Igris
Kim Chul was decided to kill Jinwoo, thus making him a threat, and it's the system that required Jinwoo to eliminate the threat. It was not shown but that's the reason why Jinwoo wasn't too affected by it since it was not like he wanted to kill just coz he felt like it. He had to do it or the system makes his heart stop. Two birds with one stone, he made use of Kim Chul for his purpose ato survive and and save the remaining people with him.
11:00 he learnt that ability last season after defeating igris
9:05 - Had the same reaction when reading that part in the manhwa lol. Crazy that he actually ended up doing that without too much thought.
The anime removed the Webtoon scene where Jinwoo deliberately kicked the sword at 8:15, so that it lands near Kim Chul and baiting him to attack.
Its a deliberate plan so that he has a justification to unalive and turn him to a shadow.
@@greasygrass39 damn i didn't notice that when i read it, now that's more fucked up than my first reaction
Sung Jin-Woo had no choice when he had Igris took out Kim Chul, remember the first two times when he had to kill humans was first with Hwang Dongsuk's party and the second time with Kang Taeshik both of those times the system told Sung Jin-Woo to kill them or be killed himself by the system stopping his heart if he refused. So it's either kill or be killed, I see it as self defense with Kim Chul. Also towards the end of this episode Sung Jin-Woo mentioned "That's the third time", which he referred to that he had to kill humans to survive.
Love you guys reactions! I love this show and the manwha but I also love to hear critical feedback that’s not biased. You guys are awesome 🔥💯
The toddler analogy had me in tears😂😂
Fun fact :
In the manhwa Jinwoo does something even more cruel ,after Kim Chul wakes up in the middle of the battle between SJW & Barca ,Sung notices that he woke up and sensing that he is gonna attack him ,he kicks Kim's sword toward him(unlike in the anime his sword was not near him) to give him a weapon and an excuse for SJW to kill him in "self-defense" ,so in other words he baits him to attack him and he pretty much killed him bcz he could not win by himself & Igris ,as he said "I need a stronger fighting force" in the manhwa right after saying that he glances back at Kim Chul and then as I said kicks the sword at him.
That was cold blooded.
Lass "poor horse"
Lad "eh, f*ck that horse!"
😂😂😂😂😂😂
24:00 Revenge exists and it transcends time. The toddler will grow up and could be a problem in the future.
Same thing with the other people trying to kill Jinwoo which is a recurring theme. They want him dead & it's not like Jinwoo is indiscriminately killing.
Better nip the bud early and hunters are already like aware they can die with their line of work.
(Not advocating for anyone killing in real life, I'm just making up some twisted logic)
Friendly reminder that the FIRST line Jin Woo said after he chose 'Arise' as his command phrase was, "I wonder if I can get A or S ranked shadows." xD
lmao. Jin Woo really took away his name though which is somehow darker to me haha
Probably my fav ep of the anime, as soon as the ep began I felt a spike in quality. Now I wanna play Elden ring, anyone know a build that can be similar to jinwoo?🤣
Straight Daggers and Summons lol
@@Theguy-bj7ld +1 lmao. Go ham with this combo
12:16 thats the funny part!!!
Guys, everything you see here...everything matters...every details has a reason. Your questions will be answered in coming episodes
Since S1 there is this arc about him changing not only his body but his mind we saw how Killing people dosen bother him anymore and this may be a step ahead on that regard
I've seen and finished the Manhwa. I knew you guys were going to have great insight as you do with One Piece. Keep doing you, the both of yall
JIn Woo's use of Kim Chul wasn't premeditated, but dude did step up to get shut down fairly, and with that death came an opportunity to survive. I don't think the ramifications of his necromancy will be fully explored yet, (the class change trial was originally going to give him the "necromancer" class, which he wasn't initially happy with, so take that into consideration for what he might actually be doing when he raises someone.) The fact that he recognizes he's killed humans 3 times is a factor for now, but he's also a lot less emotionally affected by it than most people would be at killing humans at all. It just kinda amounted to "Dang, that's the 3rd time... oh well, time for breakfast."
A little refresher Jin-Woo only has 3 attempts to resurrect someone the first time.
Something not really shown in the anime, is that human who Jin-Woo killed was already dying from the elves poison, so he was dead no matter what, and he was also trying to kill Jin-Woo there at the end as well. So, screw him.
I think its his soul and Jin woo just didn't just give a damn for that guy. Unironically.
23:20 They will go over it. You will see it discussed multiple times. Next season and the finale.
I don’t think that Jinwoo did anything wrong honestly bro left the rest of the team to die and got killed bcoz he was trying to kill the other members along with our MC if he wouldn’t have done it the system probably would’ve told him to later on a morally questionable character is much more interesting than a person who blindly believes in what’s right or has a white knight syndrome.
Love the Skyrim music in the background. I listen to it all the time
You should notice that there are two types of these dungeons. One which jinwoo opens like the igris one and then the world gates which appear out of nowhere so there is difference in both of these gates. Just to let you know
Yea he could retrieve his Dagger back,I guess you forgot when he defeated Igris he got he special move called Rulers Hand,Igris also used it when he fought Jinwoo
The murderous toddler analogy was gold!
if you think about it kim was trying to kill jinwoo anyways so jinwoo had no chance but to kill him and he might as well arise him since hes dead anyways. plus he needed another fighting force to beat the boss anyways.
So far the humans he killed were trying to do the same to him, so fair is fair. I wonder if he would've killed the tank guy if he tried helping with the boss instead of running at Jinwoo screaming his name 😂
it is very much their very soul and jinwoo knows it, the system clearly stated it when he got the class. he is well aware that what he did is beyond morality but since all "three times" showed how he is losing this part of his conscience little by little.
Jin woo has the ability “rulers hand” that he got from igris fight, it’s telekinesis
Its been a long time when I read the manhwa. I think the system force him to kill Iron but they didn't show the pop-up quest in the anime.
yep, the "making a dead human a slave" topic is something for the future hehe.
Self sacrificing and righteousness is what led Sung Jinwoo to be backstabbed and betrayed; that left a scar on him and made him the self preservation person that he is now. Sung and Igris were not strong enough to defeat the boss, he even said he needed a stronger fighting force. Sung made the choice to save himself and the people he's trying to protect over protecting his morals and what's right and that decision saved him and the low ranks
I think in the manhwa it was better portrayed that he was struggling against the boss and he needed, like you said, some kind of edge that can tip the scales. He kicked the Kim's sword towards him so he can bait him into attacking so he can have an excuse to kill him and use his shadow so he can win the fight otherwise he might've lost, so he choose his survival and the rest over his morals of using that guy that bear ill will towards them from start. At least thats my interpretation but questioning his empathy is still a valid point.
thats what you think. he becomes super OP after that ice boss 😂
Jinwoo now has named shadows for melee DPS and tank classes. Now all he needs is a named caster DPS and a named shadow that can heal.... 👺🐜
I really hope Hwang Dongsoo doesn't let his Greed get the better of him... 😏
Simple explanation if you got arise you will automatically be loyal to Jinwoo and that's your real soul