Limbus Company | MD4H | Jun - The Yi Sang Destroyinator
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 พ.ค. 2024
- "This truly was our rules of the backstreets" - Jun
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I'm beginning to see why PM's been nerfing the content, and I enjoy the fact that they really do want everyone to enjoy this game whether it be with 0, 00 or 000 ID's, Limbus is doable with a lot of team comps or whatever comp anyone can come up with. Especially if you know your game mechanics.
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Ask and you shall receive
Song List is as follows:
0:09 - Bomberman Hero | Milky
0:46 - Touhou 10/MoF | Road of the Apotropaic God
6:40 - Mario Galaxy | Aquatic Race
8:30 - Melty Blood | (Ciel's theme) Basilica
12:32 - Melty Blood | (Akiha Tohno's theme) Elegant Summer
You can say that this was the most based ship run.
I'm glad that while we have all of these wild ids and stuff there's still optimal playing options for the base ids whether its ego resources or very niche usage of their specific skills.
I can understand the nerfs tho i believe even without them i'm sure everyone can have an enjoyable experience with the game.
Maid Ryoshu for passive is awesome too.
0:43 -"Faust is typing..."
+"I take it back"
lmao
*Insert long essay*
Also that “Yes” from Yi Sang, man was really blunt for a non blunt id
45 sanity is the greatest lie of them all
Once i met Jun I staggered him Before he uses his "Rule Of Backstreet" Thank To Carmilia Ego Gift
i really like the silly little animations you did with the sprites, you deserve a lot more subscribers than you already have
Jun in an unfocused fight is a nightmare.
He's definitely one of the worse encounters, but his counter doesn't trigger unless he gets hit, so if you avoid AoE attacks and use defensive skills when he has his counter up, ideally evade, he is manageable. He gets coins on his counter for surviving allies, so focus down his allies first and he becomes a lot less threatening.
5:48 Rules of The Backstreets, being a DEFENSIVE skill, is not affected by ATTACK power down. Hope that helps! (it will not save you)
Thanks for the notice! (This further proves the illusion of free choice!)
Wrong, it's a Defense Skill that attacks, so it takes both attack buffs/debuffs, as well as Defense Power Up/Down, it's just that Defense Skills will raise their Base Power by condition depending on the type.
Guard/Evade: Defense Level of the one using it against Offense Level of the opponent, raised by 1 per 3 difference it it's higher.
Counter: Offense Level of the one countering against Defense Level of the target, raised by 1 per 3 difference if it's higher.
Besides, in the chaining phase you can clearly see the Base Power for Rules of Backstreets is 14 if it's used against Heathcliff, when used it's 12, lower than the Base of 14, and that's with rolling a Coin of 2 so the Base is 10, so I have absolutely no idea how you can be so confidently wrong.
@@Nather157 Counter skills are defense skills that use offense level vs enemy defense to calculate their final power for difference. They can be affected by offense level changes (and buffs such as slash power up that do not specify attack or defense) but not effects that specifically call for attack skills
And besides, the max roll on that preview is 18 despite the fact that only 1 coin with +2 is seen on the skill, clueing us into the fact that counter skill previews predict damage, not skill value.
@@Nather157 I don't think the logic of "counter is an attack skill that's used defensively" applies here, counter is still a defensive skill and as far as I know is only affected by defense power down.
The chaining phase argument also cannot be applied here since you can see it's clearly inaccurate (Heathcliff having a ceiling of 28 is an example, wich wouldn't be possible considering Jun's obscenely high offense level), you can also notice rules of the backstreets didn't have a floor of 12 when he countered Yi Sang, it actually had a floor of 10 that went up to 12 after hitting heads, so he would need to have 4 attack power down if the counter was actually affected by it
@@somercat4335Yeah I'll own up to this one, working days in a row has finally caught up to me, I'll leave the comment there so people can clown me, it's my bad for hasty response without double checking, at least the part of my comment about how Counter calculates Base Power is right aside from it takes Attack Power Up/Down into account, so it's not a complete lost if anyone wants to learn a thing or two from this.
Alot of people dont realize not everyone is from day one and has every id uptie 4 and every ego threadspun
they nerf the dungeon which automatically upgrade your sinners to lvl45 uptie 4
Hell i even finished canto 6 with underleveled 35-38 uptie 2 & 3 sinners
@@Juan-wy3qj only easy mode levels your units for you bro
@@Juan-wy3qjYe ain't gonna be able to do neither MD4H or touch RR4 like that though, uptying and leveling definitely does become necessary at some point.
I'm not, and I don't. I still cleared md4h with ut3 lv40 burn team. You don't need every unit maxed, you just need a good team of 6 at reasonable strength
@@WiidLover i already cleared RR3 with only uptie 4 nsinclair for blunt (and burn team) and Rcorp heath with WDon as pierce, the rest is only 00 with burn/bleed team
I didn’t think Jun was that hard until I realized this was MD4*H*
we were talking about
at this point the only way to beat Jun is to cosplay the mayans and sacrifice your loved ones...
Deadass.
So Doomsday Calendar ego spam? got it
I feel in love w/ the edit like in the start
All of that for tomorrow’s fortune…..
Worth…. I think….
I didn’t know who you were until I came to the ships part and found that you was the one who made the Spicebush Yi-Sang and Molar Ishmael Ricardo fight.
Honestly very based content my guy keep it up.
Masterful editing, also congrats on not losing your sanity with this challenge.
Just because of the faust typing, you have a new sub
Holy shit at 0:20 that was too clean of an animation
peak animations and editing. how can i learn such power?
i really love those cool little animation you did there
keep up the good work
Jun: MY SWORD IS A MACHINE THAT TURNS YI SANGS INTO DEAD YI SANGS
Very funny video. However few things to note here
1. Yi Sang can actually survive very well here. Something to remember is not only is he Slash fatal, but also Envy fatal. So he's actually taking x4 damage from the counter. This means that it was actually better for Yi Sang to defend that to attempt to clash.
Rules of Backstreet rolling all tails is, at minimum (4+6(Defense Boost Trial)) x4(Coins) x2(Slash Fatal) x2(Envy Fatal)=160 damage (very deadly)
Whereas Sky Clearing Cut landing all heads is, at maximum (14 + 18 + 22) x2(Slash Fatal) x1(Pride neutral) = 108 damage (crippling, but you'll survive)
2. People have already pointed out that Yi Sang's Crow's Eye View does nothing to reduce rules of Backstreet damage due to it being a counter skill and therefor not affected by Attack Power down. However, Faust is also actually a really good pick here. this is because she can inflict Offense Level Down and Attack Power Down NEXT turn, meaning others will have an easier time dodging/defending against Jun's attack next round. Not to mention her having a dodge herself.
3. Someone you neglected to mention is actually Hong Lu. Despite being Slash and Envy fatal like Yi Sang, he's also one of the best picks. Because he has a dodge and also Sinking, one of the most broken debuffs for enemies with Sanity mechanics. Finally his EGO is AOE, crucial for taking out the other units.
4. Damage Resistance changes to Fatal when staggered, Sin Resistances do not. So a staggered Sinclair (Slash Resist, Pride Fatal) taking a Sky-clearing Cut would actually take a lot more damage than a non staggered Yi Sang despite him being innately Slash Fatal.
So an ideal setup would be Faust and Hong Lu (evaders + AOE EGO), Don, Ryoshu, Outis (evaders), and then the final slot would be fought over by a few candidates
1. Meursault if you want to RNG Chains of Other's Turn 1 targeting, but it will guarantee a safe turn 2.
2. Rodion, who is Slash and Pride resist, and also synergizes with Don's Bleed
3. Yi Sang, who synergizes with Hong Lu's Sinking
You defend if Jun has a counter and clash if he doesn't. Keep at it until he's the only one left
If you are adamant on Ishmael and Heathcliff, you would use Ishmael S2 to reduce the damage done by Rules of Backstreet because of it's Defense Power Down and her being envy neutral. With Snagharpoon's passive, you should be able to consistently win against Shadow Cloud and Clean Up
Heathcliff job is then to Bodysack turn 1 and try to kill as many of the non-Jun units as possible. Depending on which skill Jun uses, Heathcliff may even prefer to tank Rules of Backstreets due to his Envy Resist.
Hey hey, you make a few good points!
There are a few things I’d like to Adresse on my side that I personally can nitpick on lol
1. Yi Sang may be able to just barely Tank sky clearing cut, but sometimes or rather most of the times, Rng isn’t in your favor
Someone’s going to get hit by that Counter bundled with sky clearing cut either way and as a result, both of Jun’s top notch skills are used potentially staggering 2 of your sinners (which is a definite no no) lol
2. Faust is indeed a pretty good pick! Just be hopeful you have her Slotted first for an additional skill and have some haste EGO gift perhaps in order to have better chances in actually hitting Jun himself!
3. It’s still pretty scary for Hong Lu to go first. Just because his Ego is sinking doesn’t mean he can’t also accidentally trigger the Counter First because of his AOE. Be hopeful he’s always Last.
4. Just don’t let Sinclair Tank the sky clearing cut and Tank the Counter instead lol. Unless you’re really running a full evade team, then Yeah, just dont attack at all. However that’s not gonna be the case for every player in a Node like this (unless they do happen to have good evade IDs or managed to Akt power down Jun enough to defend properly/have a chance of living through his attacks)
Good points overall!
I’m also more adamant about pairing both Yi Sang and Ish for my own reasons lol
A lot of Rng Is also still involved when it comes MD as a whole so it’s hard to say what exactly is the definitive team comp
I’m just advising near the end of the video IDs who deal and resist slash Dmg lol
Sometimes the EGO Gifts are usually the ones carrying
In my case it was bleed
Speaking about bleed, dont also underestimate the infliction of bleed with those basic skills lol
It could still cost a lot of HP and give you an excruciating tough/Scary time for the next nodes if you’re running only one team comp and still need to recover.
@@DevidXD123-qn1wq Further nitpicking
1. Points 1-3. As pointed out in my paragraph 5, you actually don't need to hope for anything EDIT: in relation to speed. You would defend against all of Jun's attack during his counter turn EDIT: including the counter itself. If you're worried that AOE EGOs may accidently hit Jun, you can check by pressing on the skill slot above the sinner's heads. If it hits you can just cancel the EGO. AOE EGOs helps to kill the non-Juns much quicker for a less painful counter.
Assuming you don't kill any other units, his pattern should be "No counter > Counter > Counter > Repeat"
Turn 1 you try to debuff with Sinking and Faust
Turn 2 Jun has lowered heads chance and Attack/Offense down so you have a really high chance not to get hit/staggered
Turn 3 Jun still has lowered heads chance so you hope only 1 unit gets staggered.
Repeat
This is actually the strategy I use when doing my MD4H "Launch only" Challenge runs (Level 30, Uptie 3, Launch units, No evade). It's very painful but it's definitely doable. Though I will admit having higher tier EGOs to change resistances does help a lot
2. Point 4. I pointed this out because you should have about 1 unit staggered by Jun every turn by Sky clearing cut if you don't take the counter. Which is important to surviving Jun consistently as 4 Envy hits may be more damage than 3 Pride hits depending on Units, Speed, and HP from Stagger. Edit: It may also be better Team HP wise, again refering to my earlier calculations, the counter does at minimum 160 damage to Yi Sang while Sky Clearing Cut does a maximum of 106. If he doesn't have many slots his other skills may deal < 46 damage
3. Something I forgot to mention is resetting so Jun doesn't get an additional skill slot turn 2. This helps mitigate his damage from very deadly to mostly deadly. It's very inconsistent but it has helped before.
Edit. In a Base Sinners only run I would try to get all sinners to 45 sanity ASAP actually. Just because you might need to swap out for Sin/Damage Resistances for Challenge Nodes like Jun
Edit again: Yes Jun will eat your HP. He is by no means easy. The best option is to not take him but sometimes the game forces you to take him on 2x in a row back to back with no other options
@@TheDanniel01 you lost me a bit when you said you weren’t using base IDs and base EGOs lol
Sadly I’m going to disagree with you on the “there’s no need to hope for anything” Part lol
My points will stay the same still
You make strong Arguments but I believe RNG (for Skills and Speed) is still a factor that will either make or break the Node lol
Also sometimes defending a Bit too much will also further pile up the amount of Skills and complete Armageddon the enemy will have prepared on the unfortunate sinner that gets staggered by just the slightest mistake on the next turn lol
@@DevidXD123-qn1wq That's fair. Higher tier EGOs and units does make it easier but I believe in concept its still the same. RNG is always going to play a factor but there are ways to minimize that RNG (*coughing up blood as Don rolls 4 tails at 45 San during a Refraction Railway Rip Space turn)
Evade spamming is very powerful though. IDK if yo need to use all 6 of those chars or just Ish and Yi Sang, but just consider using Hong Lu for his AOE and Sinking + Evade.
I usually just only defend Jun and try to kill the adds ASAP (which is why AOE EGOs are strong). Because Jun has such high HP and low stagger threshold that you will be eating at minimum 2 RoTB if you rush him, as his most dangerous skill, SCC is still less damage to the team overall, and he's not guaranteed to use that every counter turn. Moreover, by the time Jun is close to staggering, generally his adds are dead anyway. If you are desperate for damage, remember that counters don't trigger counters. So units like Rodion can facetank his Wrath/Lust/Pride skills, counter to deal damage, and not get RoTB-ed.
Once you have 2 or more adds left, then it falls back on calculating whether SCC or RoTB is going to deal more damage (again Sin, Damage Type, HP to stagger dependent) etc.
Loved the vid and was laughing my ass off seeing Jun just literally delete one of the sinners in the background while Yi Sang was supposed to be doing his skill 3 lmao or when Yisang went first and I saw your cursor frantically moving side to side yelling at him WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!!!!. I hope to see more stuff and I loved your edits
I’m so glad other people have pointed out what you’ve done with the sprites, it’s so cool
I weep for the day we get a Jun Id because holy moly the sinner that gets it is going to be a monster. Peak video btw
Probably going to be Heathcliff
we actually already have one
its kk gregor (hes mid)
@@theburrowingheck very mid
@@theburrowingheckIt isn’t even him, he’s a Mirror World version of fucking Gin
the sprite animations make me smile so much omg i love themmmmmmm
i love the editing!! awesome video experience with one of many fellow jun victims
Very nice editing, very fun to watch
Don hiding IDless Sinclair is so freaking cute I imagine he was shy like he felt he’s nude on public and Don covered him
thai into animation was done really well with the sprites
The Ishmael hugging Yi Sang was fucking adorable, ngl
nerfs are fine i do not want a normal mirror dungeon run to be 5 floors long especially when it feels like floors take so much longer now.
ive had floors which have 2 fights
Role of backeoom
Peak video
Mountain of Faith music, nice
peak limbus content
Bold of you to assume us relatively new players have the resources to ut4 or ts4 anything (except pequod yi sang, I luv him)
Okay I did now also ut4 yuri faust
Unfocused fights like these are completely ridiculous they really need to make less of them
Canto 6 is absolutely atrocious with these, the bloody fights against the butlers were the bane of my existence, by far the hardest part of the entire canto
Had this guy in my run recently, had to pray to god for the first time in a while, and somehow got away with 0 deaths. Don't remember what team i was using, but it was probably some bleed build ironically enough
Loved the video! Have you found a best that grinds Mirror dungeon for the fastest battle pass levels?
Sadly I’m not the right person to ask about this
But I believe going with certain niches can help
Team comps like Charge, Rupture or Sinking are best to run in MD
It’s much more easier to make your niche also work because of the theme packs you can choose now that help increase rates for certain EGO Gifts and then fuse them together to then fit your niche lol
5:15
Not very ideal of you yi sang
Me when Jun suffers from depression hitting tails for the nth times bc of my sinking team (Mfk still does a lot of dmg tho what bs)
I think you can also offset the silly counter
7:15 The fault lies with you once again Ismael!
btw why no base Hong Lu instead of Yi Sang? Just a an additional handicap to yourself?
Sadly these 6 base IDs were the only ones I had raised as of now lol
A bit of a pickle to think about though with Hong Lu because he's weirdly weak to Slash AND envy, so in a way
That'd be a replacement to Yi Sang along with having the same weaknesses lol
As someone who managed to get to Canto VI with Base IDs and very little EGOs... Thank god for the nerfs
But for now i have tiny little problem, Matt
I dont care if you have Permanent 45 SP my question is
WHY
YOUR
BLOODY
COUNTER
DOES
SO
MUCH
DAMAGE?!
btw you probly want to use words with black outline cause sometimes i cant read shit
but those edits at the start was amazing :D
Will keep it in mind lol
TOUHOU MUSIC HIJACK
ah.. that swordmaster-fucxer jun..
Wait did you cancel the fight before the turn ended, reviving yi sang and restoring every one health or did you start a new run?
Cancel fight
You kniw at that point I'd just use defense skills against Jun, only attack Jun's allies, and hope they don't die horribly before Jun is friendless.
Actually that only sounds like a slightly bad idea. Then he can't win clashes and he'll roll heads less. Probably. Welcome to the power of 50/50 rolls!
Your ass is still beaten raw, but slightly less so.
god the nostalgia of getting carry by base heatclif through canto 3 cause i got ZERO blunt ids
they really should rework some of the ids especially base ids like fucking base don cant even get her condition on skill 3, it must be force feed from somewhere like croweyes from yi sang
7:14 Aww, that's actually rather sweet, which is probably needed in this hell-ish encounter. Btw, does anyone know what Don is doing to Sinclair at 0:42 ?
Just a hug lol
More crazy is not Jun,but that dude is doing mirror dungeon with default ID's . -.
I love how it goes from touhou to clown music LMAO
I mentioned this on an ESGOO video once, but off-and-on over the past few months, I've been working on a document detailing a hypothetical overhaul all the base IDs and E.G.O, so that they're actually halfway decent as generic teambuilding options, and also better for teaching new players the game's mechanics. While my reworked base Sinners (once they're finished) won't be super overpowered or anything (I'm trying to keep them roughly on par with most 2-star IDs), they'll certainly perform better than this... yeesh, I forgot how bad they are currently.
Gotta use defense skills
My inner self flinched and said ew when you run full Vanilla sinners. If they would ALL synergize with each other even with middling-to-ass clash powers i would tolerate them, as that is essentially burn team (my beloved) right now. But no, they all fight like your typical street thug from the hit game Library of Ruina 4/10. I don't care if that's canon and it justifies using ID, it's just sad knowing vanilla sinners are fated to be bad. Overall good video.
Funny and silly :>
I’d really argue that changing MD4S back to 4 floors isn’t really a nerf at all, more just a QoL improvement, because as it is, standard dungeons go on for way too long.
I really think they must have changed the rng on coins. Mfers with -20 sanity roll more heads than my sinners. I had to reset so many times because a sinner only needed to roll 2/3 heads and then they impress me. By rolling all tails 5 times in a row, losing the clash and then the enemy with -20 sanity (now -8 thanks to winning the clash) continues to roll all heads.
I found myself simply repeating 5% btw. So anyway i know side Vergilius, I'm in favor of compliance talks
I've had similar thoughts as well.
Devs probably snuck in a change for the code and now it's a bit more common to see tails lmfao
I find it impressing that I can always feel disappointed in seeing all my coins be tails.
Remember if he has a counter just don't attack him at all. Just use defense skills and kill off his allies. He gain coins for each of his ally alive, but if all allies are dead, than he's just easy to kill. Unless for some odd reason you doing hard mirror dungeon and pick buffs that you like but buffs there like a lot.
Just be hopeful the ID is slash resistant if hit lol
song list? :3
(i know pretty much all of these its just nice)
@@sodaleopard Desc now changed :D
Jun so fun to fight ahahahaha
I suprise you choose to bring yi sang out of all people consider your team only have ish that have gloom skill 3 but even so not even enough to res for his passive.
You could have choose mersault for his base ego for that 4 power down,or gregor,his heal is nothing special but able to sustain the bleed dmg taken is nice
I did bring Gregor! He just isn't fully leveled :'D
Also yeah, at the end of the vid I recommended bringing in base Meursault lol
That counter should not be in a regular fight
yeah, the game is a bit more difficult when you're using base identities, but new players dont even have access to hard mode until clearing chapter 5 and even new players should have a handful of good IDs by then. The nerfs still make the game worse. If they want to make the new player experience better, they should raise when people get when they make a new account, perhaps some guaranteed 3* tickets, not make the game worse for everyone else.
"not make the game worse for everyone else."
You have so little control over Elite encounters, I don't care if the dungeon becomes easier just because they were removed. If anything increasing the number of Focused encounters is way better in terms of gameplay, especially since those are no longer just hoards of Peccatula
wait isn't this also a mobile game? Can you even see all this stuff on your phone? Wouldn't it be cluttered af?
Yes you can.
Doing the hardest content with base sinners sounds really fun but I wish it didnt take so many precious resources to max them out. Especially for f2p where there is a perpetual thread and exp ticket drought. PM not giving base IDs auto uptie 4 was the one true disappointing decision they've made for this game imo
Best way to beat jun in md4h is by simply avoiding the theme pack
But-but the Node rewards and Final ego Gift of the pack is worth!!!!
or have ID's with evade y'know
actually if u hate the counter, just nurify it with defense skill(offset) then it wont activate, i wish i know it ealier.
"nah, i'd win"
-my k corp hong lu to jun
5 stages way too long.. only bad thing
Why pm nerf tho 😢😢