Original pre patch RoB was dogshit, than there was another patch that giga buffed it shortly, than the rest of the games it's been a mid weapon that's good for noob stomping. There was a very short window where it was actually op. Other than that it's a git gud gamer moment. For most of it's life it's not op, it's just difficult to learn how to outspace. There's way more egregious weapons in er though. RoB is jjst braindead ez to use, and slightly harder to counter than it is to spam, so a lot of people got a lot of work out of it. Whereas something like moon veil is probably a bit harder to use, but it's way more egregious imo. Especially in invasions with multiple people spamming it
I dueled someone the other day that was using 2H carian sorcery sword and 133 poise. They threw out a few swift glintstone shards before cutting to the chase the mashing R1. I lost, obviously. I was talking to them later and I asked why they bothered with the spells at all. They said "I'm proving a point." I was stunned...like, what point about 2H thrusting sword max poise needs proving??
You poise chip with Swift Shard, and due to the current nature of 2H TS poise damage not breaking 133 anymore, you can effectively reinstate that with well-placed shards.
9:10 I love seeing moments like this because you gave us insight of what you were planning to do when it didn't work out. It gives me good insight of what good players are always planning. I had no idea that that's what you were trying to do.
You can add the Retaliatory Crossed-Tree to this set-up since the attacks you perform out of Quickstep and BHS are your frame-9 rolling attacks, for a 12% damage boost that can stack with the 10% boost of the Two-Handed Sword Talisman and the 15% boost on the Spear Talisman when performing a Counter Hit. Couple that with the 7.5% boost of Uplifting Aromatic, the 15% boost of Exalted Flesh, and the 20% boost that Frostbite provides achieved by using something like a Freezing Pot, and you can just do way too much damage for such a fast weapon with the range and tracking it has.
I really, really don't understand why this is seen as the best weapon in the game. Katanas are stronger, and fist weapons are way faster and stronger, and it still sucks ass duel wielded. It only has this reputation two handed as well because people exploit BHS and quickstep, on its own the weapon is just okay, not even remotely OP
@@acolddarkgentlebruh8205Katanas are mainly carried by being dual wielded or the sword of night and kiba, fists are countered by hyper armor or literally anyone patient enough to space them with a longer weapon and not get rill caught to oblivion. With the new patch the cleanrot sword has access to two-handed sword talisman, spear talisman, and a weapon buff making it absolutely ludicrous on the right setup especially since it's primarily strength boosting it's already decent AR further two handed. It's a rapier which are already pretty good especially with the poise changes, and that makes it even better with ashes like quickstep, bloodhound step, endure for trading against dummies, and ofcourse flaming strike because that for some reason kicks ass on 75% of weapons. It's just that weapon tbh 😂❤
@@acolddarkgentlebruh8205It's not op on its own correct but not many weapons are. It's just great and with so many boosting options in an oppressive weapon class that got a poise damage buff.....it's pretty fucking awesome
Well people were sick of the R2 spam so they gave us this. I wish they would make up their minds on what they want though. Every other patch is a flip flop. So tiring, 2 steps forward, 5 steps back,
Cleanrot Knight Sword kind of looks like it was supposed to be a LGS, but that they didnt have the time to implement the weaponclass. The cleanrot enemy definently uses it like an LGS and not a thrusting sword.
I did some testing and all npcs in the game seem to now react to sleep like a player would. I tested on two of the relevant ones (Melina and Dung eater) And also on Redmane Freya. All the same and no difference between either type of sleep Gankers Patches continue
From just can’t help themselves, gives LGS better poise damage, which was needed but they also buff this monstrosity’s poise damage which it did not need. From Software is sooooooo out of touch😩
steel you use magic grease for a particular reason? wanted top guess because a lot of people have lower magic damage negation in their armors, but I'm thinking it without actually really knowing how it works
So is crag blade useless on it now with the new update? Been running crag blade on it for a while now before the update for peace-of-mind poise breaking. Guess i should switch the Ash of War now?
Steel you have way more pvp experience than me, but didn't the recent update just make it so that R1 spam ds3 days are back? Man I use frejas sword, I do more poise DMG with r1 than r2.
How are you doing the throwing fire thing? Is that an incantation? It doesnt look like you have a seal equipped though when you do it you still have shield on
the people in live chat asking about their fave weapons for validation is sad. the difference between weapons is almost negligent aside from r1 speed and if they have pokes or not
hello steel why did you stop making documentaries about sedimentary rocks and switched to Elden wrong slop content. This channel fell off i unsubscribed this is not my steve love ski 😢🤬🤬🤬
It works perfectly fine on any build, Strength is just the best if you HAD to choose one only because of the Two-Handed Talisman + Two-Handing Strength bonus since Thrusting Swords are especially broken if you mainly use it while two-handing (because of how every R1 poise breaks no matter the opponent's armor)
If you like glowing weapons, the DLC added only 3 new flavors: messmer fire, a darker purple from eternal sleep, and a darker blue from potent magic grease.
The thing is they definitely did do an overpowered weapon properly, it doesn't do the most damage in the game, it doesn't give infinite hyper armor, it doesn't have a broken ash, and technically it does have insane frame data but like that aside, part of the reason why its so op is just because it feels amazing to use
It isn't OP at all, it lacks range, it's out poise damaged by most weapons including katanas, katanas have much more range, you can't spam R1 like you can with a katana. It's only really OP with quick step or BHS slapped onto it. It absolutely isn't OP in an invasion either, you have to be fucking good at the game to make it effective in an invasion at all
@@acolddarkgentlebruh8205 Holy yap, even without qs/bhs you can still block cancel r1s to keep priority vs most stuff, it has such little recovery you need to rely more on reads then reactions in order to whiff punish, 2h ts roll r1 is one of the best attacks in the game and it's almost impossible to punish,2h talisman, spear talisman and then you slap dlc grease and you can deal 500+ dmg on counter hits with a fast weapon with no recovery.
For how fast its attacks come out it definitely does too much damage considering it gets a counterattack damage boost Also BHS and Quickstep on it are broken, since they both cancel some of the lag on its rolling attack, and the attack has such little end lag that it basically can't be punished
These idiots seriously don’t understand their own game. Lmao There are so many weapons that are in dire need of buffs yet they keep buffing weapons that are already great. Whoever is responsible for these patches should be fired.
Cleanrot i think gets more dmg and is also longer Edit: Cleanrot gets slightly less ar for longer reach. Longer reach is probably better than a few extra ar.
@@lukaogadze5071 80 dex 11 str keen two handed estoc: 493. 80 str 13 dex two handed cleanrot: 541. One handed the cleanrot has 507. That is less damage, and then less range too
Can someone explain why yall drawstring grease every 2secs? It has no intimidation similar to those who aggressively tap L1 as if they’re about mortal combat combo me after all that tapping.
So that you never have to worry about it running out when you have an opening to punish. ER, just like every other souls game favors reactive gameplay where you’re better off waiting for your opponent to make a mistake than being aggressive and trying to force an opening in neutral. Gotta have max damage when they open themselves up
@@sPaCe_NiNjA187 I'm aware, usually If it's a row it's for a same input swap though - so you always know you're getting the "same" weapon if you page up/down all the way (or 1/2 presses if you've spent a very long time building your inv lol) no matter what you're using. Or it's just a spacing row for inv management. Alt AoW swaps could be there too, but generally they're below that row.If it's a row like that. OP was sus, I was just pointing out having more tools doesn't mean more skills.
Every weapon was made to do that, including duel wields, it wasn't a targeted buff, it was a conscious choice because they don't want a max poise meta.
They are forcing a max-poise meta though because certain weapon setups (Daggers, Offstoc, Raptor Talons, etc.) require a lot of poise to tank through them, but not max poise, essentially making it so you have to run above 100+ poise else risk getting stunned constantly by these fast weapons (many of which are either common offhand setups or two-handed weapons) If they don't want a meta that solely revolves around poise then they should either nerf offhand weapon poise damage, the poise damage of many of the fast weapons that are meta, or buff the poise values of medium armor sets (or just do both of the last two)
@@Elden_Cock_Ring it's not forced, they want the weight trade off that of running max poise to counter it. It's a decision that's up to the player, especially since there are things that will still break or negate max poise. Since every weapon does it, you adapt to it a lot easier.
I'm so glad Michael Zucchini gave Eldon Rong players the opportunity to experience what it was like to fight a DS3 launch estoc.
Michael Zaki really gives us what we want. Next patch he should bring back pre-patch Rivers of Bobera.
Original pre patch RoB was dogshit, than there was another patch that giga buffed it shortly, than the rest of the games it's been a mid weapon that's good for noob stomping. There was a very short window where it was actually op. Other than that it's a git gud gamer moment.
For most of it's life it's not op, it's just difficult to learn how to outspace. There's way more egregious weapons in er though. RoB is jjst braindead ez to use, and slightly harder to counter than it is to spam, so a lot of people got a lot of work out of it.
Whereas something like moon veil is probably a bit harder to use, but it's way more egregious imo. Especially in invasions with multiple people spamming it
I dueled someone the other day that was using 2H carian sorcery sword and 133 poise. They threw out a few swift glintstone shards before cutting to the chase the mashing R1. I lost, obviously. I was talking to them later and I asked why they bothered with the spells at all. They said "I'm proving a point." I was stunned...like, what point about 2H thrusting sword max poise needs proving??
You poise chip with Swift Shard, and due to the current nature of 2H TS poise damage not breaking 133 anymore, you can effectively reinstate that with well-placed shards.
@@PathosMythos swift shard hits 90% of the time so easy poise break when using 2H TS R1s
9:10 I love seeing moments like this because you gave us insight of what you were planning to do when it didn't work out. It gives me good insight of what good players are always planning. I had no idea that that's what you were trying to do.
Petition to bring back little dancing bro
Signed
Nooooooo
20:31 the red that saved you right here was strictly business. Hidden form and assasins gambit invasions ftw
Lol standin on business
He be standing on bidness
lmao he fr spent 99% of the invasion looking for the host and when he found him it was over 😭
You can add the Retaliatory Crossed-Tree to this set-up since the attacks you perform out of Quickstep and BHS are your frame-9 rolling attacks, for a 12% damage boost that can stack with the 10% boost of the Two-Handed Sword Talisman and the 15% boost on the Spear Talisman when performing a Counter Hit. Couple that with the 7.5% boost of Uplifting Aromatic, the 15% boost of Exalted Flesh, and the 20% boost that Frostbite provides achieved by using something like a Freezing Pot, and you can just do way too much damage for such a fast weapon with the range and tracking it has.
cleanrot (and milady) my beloved
One of the patches of all time.
Patches the guy from dark souls?!?
I really, really don't understand why this is seen as the best weapon in the game. Katanas are stronger, and fist weapons are way faster and stronger, and it still sucks ass duel wielded. It only has this reputation two handed as well because people exploit BHS and quickstep, on its own the weapon is just okay, not even remotely OP
@@acolddarkgentlebruh8205Katanas are mainly carried by being dual wielded or the sword of night and kiba, fists are countered by hyper armor or literally anyone patient enough to space them with a longer weapon and not get rill caught to oblivion. With the new patch the cleanrot sword has access to two-handed sword talisman, spear talisman, and a weapon buff making it absolutely ludicrous on the right setup especially since it's primarily strength boosting it's already decent AR further two handed. It's a rapier which are already pretty good especially with the poise changes, and that makes it even better with ashes like quickstep, bloodhound step, endure for trading against dummies, and ofcourse flaming strike because that for some reason kicks ass on 75% of weapons. It's just that weapon tbh 😂❤
@@acolddarkgentlebruh8205It's not op on its own correct but not many weapons are. It's just great and with so many boosting options in an oppressive weapon class that got a poise damage buff.....it's pretty fucking awesome
Is the magic grease just what u like to use or is there some benefit to it
it's pretty
OIL UP PLEASE 🙏🙏🙏😭😭😭
Michael Zaki really wants the game to just become Thrusting Sword R1 spam
Well people were sick of the R2 spam so they gave us this. I wish they would make up their minds on what they want though. Every other patch is a flip flop. So tiring, 2 steps forward, 5 steps back,
One murky isnt enough for elden ring, it also has poke murky. Thanks miguel
The new chemical element: Elden Rongium
Cleanrot Knight Sword kind of looks like it was supposed to be a LGS, but that they didnt have the time to implement the weaponclass. The cleanrot enemy definently uses it like an LGS and not a thrusting sword.
i mean those who didnt have 115 (iirc) poise in 1.12 have the exact same experience now
the only thing saving this game rn is clean thot and shamshmear
Carian spell sword is useable now, how about u give it another chance?
You and Chase are better men than I am, saying GG after dunking on three summons and a Hunter with tons of magic is completely alien.
1.10×1.30=1.43 so 43% increase from talismans on counter hit
Cleanrot momento #2
The Elden Ring and its consequences have been a disaster for the Tarnished and The Lands Between
I did some testing and all npcs in the game seem to now react to sleep like a player would.
I tested on two of the relevant ones
(Melina and Dung eater)
And also on Redmane Freya.
All the same and no difference between either type of sleep
Gankers Patches continue
24:20 i would absolutely love a mod of this.
What’s the blue weapon buff he uses
@@jamestaylor3206 Drawstring Royal Magic Grease
@@jamestaylor3206 Drawstring Royal Magic Grease
From just can’t help themselves, gives LGS better poise damage, which was needed but they also buff this monstrosity’s poise damage which it did not need.
From Software is sooooooo out of touch😩
steel you use magic grease for a particular reason? wanted top guess because a lot of people have lower magic damage negation in their armors, but I'm thinking it without actually really knowing how it works
Always use lightning unless a weapon has elemental dmg already (use magic grease on the carian thrusting shield, holy grease on treespear…)
Funny how all the poise changes are bad except milady
So is crag blade useless on it now with the new update? Been running crag blade on it for a while now before the update for peace-of-mind poise breaking. Guess i should switch the Ash of War now?
cragblade out damages drawstring grease but you lose ash. if you value damage and extra 10% poise damage stick with cragblade.
@@lukaogadze5071 tysm!🙏
21:55 my games are just like that lol. Everyone goes laggy including me some days
Now I really feel like a Chicken shit after seeing how you deal with Mohgs Trident. I gotta remember that instead of Going Usopp mode.
What shield is that?
Just curious. Did this patch help or hurt invaders? Was it overall positive or negative for invaders?
Idk
Hugely negative - ganking methods got buffed, and its easier to get blendered
Steel you have way more pvp experience than me, but didn't the recent update just make it so that R1 spam ds3 days are back? Man I use frejas sword, I do more poise DMG with r1 than r2.
that just wrong friend. 1h cgs r1 does around 228 poise damage. 1h cgs r2 does 309. where do you get that info/.
How are you doing the throwing fire thing? Is that an incantation? It doesnt look like you have a seal equipped though when you do it you still have shield on
Flaming strike ash of war. Found in Redmane castle I think.
Tell me you don’t play the game without telling me.
@@sPaCe_NiNjA187 Newer players watching these vids is a good thing :)
"I can hear my mind now!" 😂
Enemy does anything: R1.
And that's it. That's all you need. XD
Dark souls 3 vibes , sure you didn't mean L2 😅
@@LJAndrews1986you can r1 in all fromsoft games with no real issue
Well no shit sherlock , it's called having a joke that's well known in the souls community 😂
the people in live chat asking about their fave weapons for validation is sad. the difference between weapons is almost negligent aside from r1 speed and if they have pokes or not
hello steel why did you stop making documentaries about sedimentary rocks and switched to Elden wrong slop content. This channel fell off i unsubscribed this is not my steve love ski 😢🤬🤬🤬
screw these greedy youtubers who make content just for money!
@@Turaloid i feel so betrayed, i thought this new chainsaw arc would make steel become a granite mining content but it was Elden Ring 😢😭😭☹️
@@randomdude9828 they nerfed chainsaw.... its so over....... goodnight sweet minerofsky....
He's actually good at this game and he's hilarious I'm sure he's really gonna miss one pissy little whiner.
@@tyshred9251suck it 🤡
Fromsoft has truly abandoned all pvp cares in there games
we are so back
Steel update your 137 faith build please!
Basically all weapon that puncture is good
tbh its only the best in meta dueling
I would like to try the cleanrot Knight sword but I dont use STR build, can it still work or is it not worth it?
no it scales with strength best
You can just keen infuse it or any other thrusting sword. its not dependent on strength or anything
It works perfectly fine on any build, Strength is just the best if you HAD to choose one only because of the Two-Handed Talisman + Two-Handing Strength bonus since Thrusting Swords are especially broken if you mainly use it while two-handing (because of how every R1 poise breaks no matter the opponent's armor)
17:20 gamer actually have 1hp left 🗿
When steel had to make the noises himself 😂
this still smokes in invasions, the stun is fantastic against or chasing two or three phantoms.
How do make a flam bro ?
i dont think you need jar tali with 46 endurance
we need pyk moments compilation!
How much poise damage does it do in the offhand?
I think 105
@@egordon7543 Time to pull the halstoc back out.
@@Aaron6791ae yeah lol
104
Gamers, i started to notice that with the dlc people are using the potent magic grease over the potent lightning one, does anyone know the reason?
Cool blue weapon
ds2 vibes
If you like glowing weapons, the DLC added only 3 new flavors: messmer fire, a darker purple from eternal sleep, and a darker blue from potent magic grease.
@@mad82827 valid and understantable, have a great day
The thing is they definitely did do an overpowered weapon properly, it doesn't do the most damage in the game, it doesn't give infinite hyper armor, it doesn't have a broken ash, and technically it does have insane frame data but like that aside, part of the reason why its so op is just because it feels amazing to use
It isn't OP at all, it lacks range, it's out poise damaged by most weapons including katanas, katanas have much more range, you can't spam R1 like you can with a katana. It's only really OP with quick step or BHS slapped onto it. It absolutely isn't OP in an invasion either, you have to be fucking good at the game to make it effective in an invasion at all
@@acolddarkgentlebruh8205 Holy yap, even without qs/bhs you can still block cancel r1s to keep priority vs most stuff, it has such little recovery you need to rely more on reads then reactions in order to whiff punish, 2h ts roll r1 is one of the best attacks in the game and it's almost impossible to punish,2h talisman, spear talisman and then you slap dlc grease and you can deal 500+ dmg on counter hits with a fast weapon with no recovery.
@@acolddarkgentlebruh8205it lacks range????? 😭
@@acolddarkgentlebruh8205 sounds like a personal problem
For how fast its attacks come out it definitely does too much damage considering it gets a counterattack damage boost
Also BHS and Quickstep on it are broken, since they both cancel some of the lag on its rolling attack, and the attack has such little end lag that it basically can't be punished
These idiots seriously don’t understand their own game. Lmao There are so many weapons that are in dire need of buffs yet they keep buffing weapons that are already great. Whoever is responsible for these patches should be fired.
Is this better than bitchhand blades now?
what is that off hand shield? How to get that?
Spiralhorn Shield
Love u babasaki-sama
Cleanrot has been my main for over year
W weapon.
@@chrisxl5152 I swear a lot of ppl just don’t realize how good it is. I never hardly see someone maining it
@@Buddyguy1988because it’s boring as shit to use
@@TheRatcharia you could say that about most weapons other than the select few the that have more than 2 viable attacks lol
Why is cleanrot better than let's say Estoc in a dex build?
Cleanrot i think gets more dmg and is also longer
Edit: Cleanrot gets slightly less ar for longer reach. Longer reach is probably better than a few extra ar.
keen estoc gets like 10 extra ar over cleanrot. range matters more than damage.
Oh isee. I thought estoc was longer.
@@lukaogadze5071 80 dex 11 str keen two handed estoc: 493. 80 str 13 dex two handed cleanrot: 541. One handed the cleanrot has 507. That is less damage, and then less range too
@@spongbobsquarepants3922 you missed the point friend. don't compare str vs dex.
I can't use this over Estoc
This feels murky..
Does he have unlimited items? (Jar bombs and buff consumables)
Yes, he uses Cheat Engine
@@maartenneppelenbroek thank you
Can someone explain why yall drawstring grease every 2secs? It has no intimidation similar to those who aggressively tap L1 as if they’re about mortal combat combo me after all that tapping.
So that you never have to worry about it running out when you have an opening to punish.
ER, just like every other souls game favors reactive gameplay where you’re better off waiting for your opponent to make a mistake than being aggressive and trying to force an opening in neutral. Gotta have max damage when they open themselves up
Reset countdown timer. It only lasts 25 seconds.
Why u play ps4 version?
10:54 Reddit gamer spotted
I still contend that against the average braindead mashing co-oper, big hyperarmor weapons are better.
This is going to be insane haha
Oh no.
It has always been
We need moar PYK
You're hilarious bro!
Dandpatta is WAY better than any stoc,dex build and dragonbolt grease+running R1,go try it on pvp and u'll see😂
Pve gamer try not to spam l2 challenge (impossible)
I’m just glad they fixed the chainsaw glitch
They nerf this, buff that, but still spells are doing insane amount of damage 😂 pvers need indeed
top skill weap
He has multiple +25 cleanrot swords along with everything else? Seems fishy
He uses a program that gives you whatever you want on PC or console. He doesn’t hide it. He did a video showing how it works.
Having more than 1 of the same sword doesn't make you play any better lmao
@@Heowolf different ashes of war on each. Mix up and throw off your opponent. They see same weapon but don’t know what ash to defend against.
@@sPaCe_NiNjA187 I'm aware, usually If it's a row it's for a same input swap though - so you always know you're getting the "same" weapon if you page up/down all the way (or 1/2 presses if you've spent a very long time building your inv lol) no matter what you're using. Or it's just a spacing row for inv management. Alt AoW swaps could be there too, but generally they're below that row.If it's a row like that.
OP was sus, I was just pointing out having more tools doesn't mean more skills.
found pver :D
STR BUILDS STILL SUPERIOR
Every weapon was made to do that, including duel wields, it wasn't a targeted buff, it was a conscious choice because they don't want a max poise meta.
They are forcing a max-poise meta though because certain weapon setups (Daggers, Offstoc, Raptor Talons, etc.) require a lot of poise to tank through them, but not max poise, essentially making it so you have to run above 100+ poise else risk getting stunned constantly by these fast weapons (many of which are either common offhand setups or two-handed weapons)
If they don't want a meta that solely revolves around poise then they should either nerf offhand weapon poise damage, the poise damage of many of the fast weapons that are meta, or buff the poise values of medium armor sets (or just do both of the last two)
@@Elden_Cock_Ring it's not forced, they want the weight trade off that of running max poise to counter it. It's a decision that's up to the player, especially since there are things that will still break or negate max poise. Since every weapon does it, you adapt to it a lot easier.
The most boring one too
Not the best weapon and you are 100% not the best PVP player 😂😂😂
Doing an awful lot of running for demonstrating the so called best weapon in the game.
Early ish😢
Cleanrot IHateyouIloveyou