As a barbarian player since release I want to remember all the people who are complaining about them now that barbs were considered the worst PvP class for months and months. Said that, I must admit that nowadays they are the class to beat tied with tempests. Regarding their strengths I want to mention that not all barbs are immune to cc, just the ones with HotA builds without Chains mainly. Most of them wear the Spartusk helm builds still paired with Chains. You can't have it all at once 🙂
Well said. Barb was so useless for almost a year to the point people were blaming you in chat for playing barb. And people don't realize that barb plays either with Spartusk (to counter Tempests, Saders and other Barbs) or CC immunity (to counter wizards and trap DH). But both variants have weaknesses. Either you are good vs Tempests (with Spartusk) or you can lose a game to F2P wizard cause you don't have CC immunity in this build. But with CC immunity you can't do anything vs strong Tempests
Yeah u right. But survivebility is bad for DH with strafe-glass-cannon-build. So for relativly long time I play BG with DOT-static- summon-build. Its totaly diferent play style than ra-ta-ta-ta :) and much fun for me. Use 4 kinds of DOT efeckts, 4/6 grace, 2/6 baron and 2/6 banquet. And eternal gear what gives chance for extra shot/projectile, to my turrets and strafe summons is very helpfull.
Tempest flowing strike should not give CC immunity. Barb Undying should not allow pushing of Idol Necro should come out of wrath if doing damage (like invisible Wizard) These simple 3 changes would COMPLETELY open up the game to all sorts of builds and classes.
Necro wraith form only can do dmg if they using circle corpse lance or the circle grim scythe. I seen whale using it and it's annoying. However barbs can pull you in and sometimes you can get freeze too. So really is mostly invulnerable.
How do you know its undying rage pushing an idol? I can stack gladiator, defensive green skills, leg essences, life saving leg gems and a saviour pet. You going to make all those also not push idol too?
hi @apolloyon I found the secret to bg success (for the current anyway) - I was stuck in endless losing streaks for the longest time but since I modified my strategy I have been on a more or less endless winning streak so far. It is about optimising stats, but unfortunately not in the way we think about metas and maximising builds! its really unfair to players that keep pushing their skills and stats.....
Yeah, could you give a little more details, made me curious too .. this seems to be interesting indeed! ...😮 😅 (I'm pretty sure you mean 'downsizing' for easier MMs or something like that, but not totally sure ;) )
@@eugenebudas6879 not necessarily lowering reso, rather there are pockets of rest-stats combi cd be high or low but specific ratios - tt will make you either keep matching win streaks or lose streaks - however the algorithm also takes into yr consideration your game purchase and behaviour so could be unique for diff accounts - its really stupid #blizzard #diabloimmortal bg is not about skill or character building just luck if line up with their algorithm - you could have good skill and spend significantly and perpetually stuck matching to impossible to win matches - making #blizzard #diabloimmortal #battlegrounds a totally pointless game mode
Apollyon really hate Barbs, lol. Maybe Apo should change to Barb class n see if Apo can kill 4 wizards with barb class. I guess players not used to seeing barbs getting better in pvp. We used to kill them like killing ants for 1.5 year or more, now they improved but they still not the best class, Tempest are. One match my team of 4 tempest & 4 wizards against 3 barbs + 1 sader + 4 DH. (DH aren't weak class too, they are very deadly even with low reso) I thought sure lose but we won with ease. They can't push halfway even with Barbs. I'm surprised too. Heheh
Yeah the amount of "I hate Barb" videos he makes just makes the content highly biased and follows a clear agenda. Lots of half truths in his content. Barbs aren't really that great. I'd also like him to play one and try to kill any other class 4 times to be honest. He will switch back to Wiz pretty quickly.
I honestly don't get how so many people think DH is OP. Yes, it has good burst damage with the strafe/primary build, but...that build is definitely not the class' best build, the class is useless for walking the idol (the point of BG), and it doesn't have any wraith form, skill-based cheat death, or commonly used untargetable ability. It has ok shields, but just ok, off the escspe dash build, but I'll give you all a small amount of time to look up the numbers and see that the escape DH shield provides roughly one quarter of the protection that the tempest flowing strike shield provides off eternal gear affixes, and one third of the standard breaker shield. That escape shield used to provide roughly half the protection of the tempest shields, but players whined so hard that something that didnt need to be nerfed got nerfed anyway. I'll grant that DH is the fourth best class after Tempest (anti-cc, untargetable, and more shields than a Viking shield wall) Barb (untargetable and cheat death), and Necro (untargetable via wraith form and cheat death), but being the fourth best class in a game with only 8 classes really just leaves you middle of the pack. Most whale DHs have moved on to other classes at this point, and those that remain generally go 9-3 and have little impact on the match or 4-8 and have even less. DH sure can make a health bar disappear, but can they carry a match? Nah.
I see DH, tempest and barbs at around 1000 reso dominating bg right now. Inf 2. DH are insane if the person knows their build as a battle mage wizard I'd day DH is my worst enemy, then tempest and then barb. In that order. DH are beasts. Cartwheels and endless attacks.
I think that's why it was mentioned as op for whales. Idk what server you're on but there's a few that indeed carry matches by getting 23-35 kills a match. While sub whale levels it isn't nearly as op, it is still viable. At 2.4k in constant whale matches I'm using full summon build and do very well all things considered.
@@chrisb4634 Well, I am whale, 9k+ reso, and on the same server as Apollyon, and in whale matches, DH just isn't where it's at. When I play DH, I also favor a sentry/strafe turret/trap build, and I think it's very good, even if you're basically useless from a standing on the idol perspective. Since you find yourself in higher reso matches fairly often, take a look at how your kill/death/assist numbers compare to higher reso DHs playing the spin to win strafe meta. I think you'll find that you perform better from a pure numbers perspective than you should compared to higher reso players using a meta build. I also imagine you'll find you not infrequently out-perform them from a numbers perspective. Also, particularly on attack, see how often whale DHs end up with 6-8, 10-8, 9-4, 10-12 type results. And if you find yourself in true whale matches, where the lowest reso clocks in at 7k+ sometimes, you'll see plenty of matches where whale DHs (I'm talking 8k reso here) go 4-6, 3-5, etc, and have little real impact on the match. I think the Frky (Cliff, playing DH)/Baratheon (playing tempest) 1v1 Rite of Exile match was an interesting data point in this debate. Frky started out strong, but ended up losing 6-3 to Baratheon because despite the high burst damage DH brings, he just couldn't get that damage past the shields/untargetable/etc of tempest.
Crusader is also an interesting “easy” choice for players that can understand the importance of a support class. It is still strong despite being overlooked. Strong wizards are strong but not advisable as a beginner class. BK is a good all rounder. Necro, Tempest, Wizards and DH all require a lot of skill and/or spending to perform.
In your opinion what is the minimum qualifications of a whale (both reso and secondary stats)? You pointed out how every bg is atm. Doesnt make sense that they are so quick to "fix broken skills" for some classes and others just get away with everything
By the reso we can sort players to these categories: 1. under 1k reso = micro reso 2. 1-4k reso = low reso 3. 5-7k reso = mid reso 4. 8-9k reso = high reso 5. 10k+ reso = here whales starts To secondaries 8k+
Would be nice if saders could get bg love, as it stands...sader is the absolute worst bg class, between previous nerfs to CoL & blizz decades where essence goes on gear there is NO optimization. I finish with this what as happened with barb is garbage
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As a barbarian player since release I want to remember all the people who are complaining about them now that barbs were considered the worst PvP class for months and months. Said that, I must admit that nowadays they are the class to beat tied with tempests. Regarding their strengths I want to mention that not all barbs are immune to cc, just the ones with HotA builds without Chains mainly. Most of them wear the Spartusk helm builds still paired with Chains. You can't have it all at once 🙂
Well said. Barb was so useless for almost a year to the point people were blaming you in chat for playing barb. And people don't realize that barb plays either with Spartusk (to counter Tempests, Saders and other Barbs) or CC immunity (to counter wizards and trap DH). But both variants have weaknesses. Either you are good vs Tempests (with Spartusk) or you can lose a game to F2P wizard cause you don't have CC immunity in this build. But with CC immunity you can't do anything vs strong Tempests
DH don't need to be whales, imo they just need to have high armor penetration. They do so much dmg so fast.
Facts
But easy to dead with DoT 😂
Just use spiteful blood aux
Yeah u right. But survivebility is bad for DH with strafe-glass-cannon-build. So for relativly long time I play BG with DOT-static- summon-build. Its totaly diferent play style than ra-ta-ta-ta :) and much fun for me. Use 4 kinds of DOT efeckts, 4/6 grace, 2/6 baron and 2/6 banquet. And eternal gear what gives chance for extra shot/projectile, to my turrets and strafe summons is very helpfull.
Tempest flowing strike should not give CC immunity.
Barb Undying should not allow pushing of Idol
Necro should come out of wrath if doing damage (like invisible Wizard)
These simple 3 changes would COMPLETELY open up the game to all sorts of builds and classes.
Necro wraith form only can do dmg if they using circle corpse lance or the circle grim scythe. I seen whale using it and it's annoying. However barbs can pull you in and sometimes you can get freeze too. So really is mostly invulnerable.
First change will just kill tempest lol
How do you know its undying rage pushing an idol? I can stack gladiator, defensive green skills, leg essences, life saving leg gems and a saviour pet. You going to make all those also not push idol too?
hi @apolloyon I found the secret to bg success (for the current anyway) - I was stuck in endless losing streaks for the longest time but since I modified my strategy I have been on a more or less endless winning streak so far. It is about optimising stats, but unfortunately not in the way we think about metas and maximising builds! its really unfair to players that keep pushing their skills and stats.....
Details?😮
Yeah, could you give a little more details, made me curious too .. this seems to be interesting indeed! ...😮 😅 (I'm pretty sure you mean 'downsizing' for easier MMs or something like that, but not totally sure ;) )
Are you taking about Reso cheat and stat cheat...I've seen many whales do it... purposely lowering it to be able to queq to lower lobby or bracket
@@eugenebudas6879 not necessarily lowering reso, rather there are pockets of rest-stats combi cd be high or low but specific ratios - tt will make you either keep matching win streaks or lose streaks - however the algorithm also takes into yr consideration your game purchase and behaviour so could be unique for diff accounts - its really stupid #blizzard #diabloimmortal bg is not about skill or character building just luck if line up with their algorithm - you could have good skill and spend significantly and perpetually stuck matching to impossible to win matches - making #blizzard #diabloimmortal #battlegrounds a totally pointless game mode
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Monk Helicopter should be buffed that they can reflect ANY ranged attack back to the source 😂 that would be funny
Imagine DH killing themselves attacking monk that way lol
Apollyon really hate Barbs, lol. Maybe Apo should change to Barb class n see if Apo can kill 4 wizards with barb class. I guess players not used to seeing barbs getting better in pvp. We used to kill them like killing ants for 1.5 year or more, now they improved but they still not the best class, Tempest are. One match my team of 4 tempest & 4 wizards against 3 barbs + 1 sader + 4 DH. (DH aren't weak class too, they are very deadly even with low reso) I thought sure lose but we won with ease. They can't push halfway even with Barbs. I'm surprised too. Heheh
Yeah the amount of "I hate Barb" videos he makes just makes the content highly biased and follows a clear agenda. Lots of half truths in his content. Barbs aren't really that great.
I'd also like him to play one and try to kill any other class 4 times to be honest. He will switch back to Wiz pretty quickly.
The ONLY class that needs adjusting and help is the Monk. End of story.
I honestly don't get how so many people think DH is OP. Yes, it has good burst damage with the strafe/primary build, but...that build is definitely not the class' best build, the class is useless for walking the idol (the point of BG), and it doesn't have any wraith form, skill-based cheat death, or commonly used untargetable ability. It has ok shields, but just ok, off the escspe dash build, but I'll give you all a small amount of time to look up the numbers and see that the escape DH shield provides roughly one quarter of the protection that the tempest flowing strike shield provides off eternal gear affixes, and one third of the standard breaker shield. That escape shield used to provide roughly half the protection of the tempest shields, but players whined so hard that something that didnt need to be nerfed got nerfed anyway. I'll grant that DH is the fourth best class after Tempest (anti-cc, untargetable, and more shields than a Viking shield wall) Barb (untargetable and cheat death), and Necro (untargetable via wraith form and cheat death), but being the fourth best class in a game with only 8 classes really just leaves you middle of the pack. Most whale DHs have moved on to other classes at this point, and those that remain generally go 9-3 and have little impact on the match or 4-8 and have even less. DH sure can make a health bar disappear, but can they carry a match? Nah.
I see DH, tempest and barbs at around 1000 reso dominating bg right now. Inf 2. DH are insane if the person knows their build as a battle mage wizard I'd day DH is my worst enemy, then tempest and then barb. In that order. DH are beasts. Cartwheels and endless attacks.
I think that's why it was mentioned as op for whales. Idk what server you're on but there's a few that indeed carry matches by getting 23-35 kills a match. While sub whale levels it isn't nearly as op, it is still viable. At 2.4k in constant whale matches I'm using full summon build and do very well all things considered.
@@chrisb4634 Well, I am whale, 9k+ reso, and on the same server as Apollyon, and in whale matches, DH just isn't where it's at. When I play DH, I also favor a sentry/strafe turret/trap build, and I think it's very good, even if you're basically useless from a standing on the idol perspective. Since you find yourself in higher reso matches fairly often, take a look at how your kill/death/assist numbers compare to higher reso DHs playing the spin to win strafe meta. I think you'll find that you perform better from a pure numbers perspective than you should compared to higher reso players using a meta build. I also imagine you'll find you not infrequently out-perform them from a numbers perspective. Also, particularly on attack, see how often whale DHs end up with 6-8, 10-8, 9-4, 10-12 type results. And if you find yourself in true whale matches, where the lowest reso clocks in at 7k+ sometimes, you'll see plenty of matches where whale DHs (I'm talking 8k reso here) go 4-6, 3-5, etc, and have little real impact on the match. I think the Frky (Cliff, playing DH)/Baratheon (playing tempest) 1v1 Rite of Exile match was an interesting data point in this debate. Frky started out strong, but ended up losing 6-3 to Baratheon because despite the high burst damage DH brings, he just couldn't get that damage past the shields/untargetable/etc of tempest.
@@casterakabadman805 im surprised there is someone even play wizard they are just tempest food
Crusader is also an interesting “easy” choice for players that can understand the importance of a support class. It is still strong despite being overlooked.
Strong wizards are strong but not advisable as a beginner class.
BK is a good all rounder.
Necro, Tempest, Wizards and DH all require a lot of skill and/or spending to perform.
In your opinion what is the minimum qualifications of a whale (both reso and secondary stats)?
You pointed out how every bg is atm. Doesnt make sense that they are so quick to "fix broken skills" for some classes and others just get away with everything
Minimum 4k stats u gonna feel great reso is just a number
By the reso we can sort players to these categories:
1. under 1k reso = micro reso
2. 1-4k reso = low reso
3. 5-7k reso = mid reso
4. 8-9k reso = high reso
5. 10k+ reso = here whales starts
To secondaries 8k+
Thers soon another ridiculous unfair meta..Wipeing a whole team on idol 2 screens away with ultimate😂utilizing 4 special skill weapons
Would be nice if saders could get bg love, as it stands...sader is the absolute worst bg class, between previous nerfs to CoL & blizz decades where essence goes on gear there is NO optimization. I finish with this what as happened with barb is garbage