Fatality's Ultimate Ganondorf Guide
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Combo counter: 2
Total damage: 48
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Awesome guide man, I didn't know about those edge cancelling options
How do you get the edge cancelling to work? I’m having some trouble.
@@qwemp A good way to practice it is to do it in training mode and just spam any aerial option (jump, air dodge or an attack) when the wizard's foot animation ends. If it comes out right away you did it right. Most legal stages' lengths are such that a wizard's foot from exactly center stage will ledge cancel like Sworn Zora said, but Kalos for example is longer so you'll need to be a little closer than center stage for it to ledge cancel there.
Also, wizard's foot travels less distance if you hit someone or they shield it, so if you are going for pressure or a combo using a ledge cancel you'll need to take that into account and be closer to the ledge than you normally would.
@@elim9054 Thanks for the response, that's really helpful. :D
Combo counter: 23
Total damage: 30.6
Just sheik things.
GANON GANG
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BORYAH BITCH
Ganon is braindead. He requires 2 brain cells to play. Try playing a character who requires skill like snake, wario, or link.
@@bray3936 bitch ur just mad cus you got doriyahed online one too many times
Brayden is a gay name
@@boobtube2142 my nigga said goober dust X_X
DORYEAH
Hey man, I just want to say thank you. You're an amazing player to watch and also an amazing teacher. Please don't stop doing what you do. I feel as if you play a vital role in the smash community and I and many others strive to achieve what you do.
Again thank you Fatality.
^hell yeah man, I agree whole heartedly. You the man Fatality
Protip for Dair: Dair at low % (low enough that they're just in temporary hitstun, not knocked down or launched). They're expecting a grab so they'll try to get a grab or other fast attack out first, since Ganon's grab sometimes doesn't true combo after a Dair depending on how close to the ground it was. So instead of grabbing, just Dair again since you know they're staying put. This one launches them in the air just high enough for ANOTHER Dair. That Dair puts them in knockdown right in front of you, and assuming they miss the tech, most people do getup attack for the same reason they tried to grab the first time. Stomp them AGAIN and finish it off with an aerial or Usmash depending on weight. The stock is now virtually or literally gone and you get to feel like Bizzarro Flame for a while
hit em w a down air, then, when theyre not expecting it, him em with a down air, then, when theyre not expecting it, hit em with a down air, then, when theyre not expecting it, it em with a down air
*Falcon main does Ganondorf guide* makes sense
Better Falcon*
FTFY
Brandon Driver much worse Falcon*
FTFY
"They're the same picture"
I also recommend using down smash out of flame choke, but only do it if they habitually roll opposite of your flame choke, and it’s especially effective at high percents. It can even work for tech chasing occasionally, but if the opponent consistently techs flame choke, dash attack, d-air or down tilt or more consistent options IMO.
If you do land it though, it’s fucking nasty.
Harjas Sandhu
Oh absolutely.
Turnaround uptilt is probably my favorite. This is only for salt. This is not a good option 😹.
Edwin Naranjo
Situational at best, but shield breaks from uptilts are an instant erection.
In addition, here’s what I think are the best follow-ups out of a flame-choke:
The opponent doesn’t tech:
Down smash when rolling opposite
If they getup attack every time, just down tilt before they get the chance, or you could even dair
If they roll away, down tilt before they get the chance or chase them with an aerial or dash attack.
If the opponent techs:
If they instantly get up, down smash or f-tilt works.
If they roll away, chase with a dash attack, an aerial (if they have a short roll), or down B.
If they roll opposite, down smash may not work depending on if they shield right afterwards or not. Fsmash hits slightly more reliably when they roll opposite off a tech, though. But the safest options are a tilt, dash attack or aerial.
Alternatively, you could also keep reading their options regardless of the follow-ups and flame-choke them repeatedly, which is salt-inducing to say the least. Or, you could go for a hard read and get in position for a smash attack depending on which way they go (Rickles is a god at this), but is definitely the riskiest.
love ganon in this game, you get so much reward by just getting a hit. this game's engine also makes it easy to pressure with him too. the only bad thing is his recovery and travel speed.
my favorite thing is that his legs are basically swords
i'm a ganon main also
@Puppy 47 Ganon's F-tilt reaches further than a lot of swordies' F-tilts so idk what you mean.
His Nair range beat's Link's, Marth's, Chrom's, Roy's, Lucina's, and I think sometimes even Ike's Nair too.
i feel like napoleon dynamite is teaching me how to play ganon
I don't get your analogy
Big Boy Zone It’s not an analogy. It’s a joke
I always thought that too haha
Dude I see it!
Vote for Pedro
Yo fatality, I just want to say you and your falcon are the most exciting things to watch. Always get hyped when I see that your’e participating in something.
holy shit the best guide i have ever watched on anything would 100% recommend to anybody learning ganon
I really don't like using Ganon in singles but I think he's amazing in doubles
Whenever you can, ALWAYS try to land with nair 1. It true combos into grab, jab, down tilt, and side tilt. It makes ganon’s platform game way better than anybody could ever expect
Edit: the very ending hit box of nair 1 actually send up and away. You can’t combo with it but it does send up and away
A minor correction around 2:00 fair still doesn't auto cancel from full hop in 2.0.0; it auto cancels from short hop off a bf height platform, or double jump just above the ground
@@link7802 Correct, if you're on the ground you need to either jump, then dj immediately, or do a short hop/full hop and dj fair right before hitting the ground. You can also short hop fair from a battlefield height platform to the ground and it will auto cancel. I use a shoulder button jump to get it consistent (X>L>cstick), but you can also do a dj fair right after a full hop rising uair to try and get it consistent. The thing about it is that the faf window is the same as the ac window so you can't buffer a ground option unless your timing is right on. If you try to buffer but you jumped too late (or fair too early), you'll end up doing an aerial right before hitting the ground (which is still useful for aerial flame choke mixups and other shenanigans). I would honestly just head into training mode and try a bunch of stuff out to see if you think it will benefit your playstyle. Applications right now seem to be baiting, platform/air pressure, maybe some low % followups. I think this is under-labbed atm.
what;s a dj fair@@naroghin2519
@@TheWeedIsland double jump forward air (in this context you input forward air at almost the same moment you double jump)
@@naroghin2519 ohh I didn't catch dj=double jump and thought it was some weird name named after someone like wobbling
Whenever i play with my friends most of them dont know how to fight ganon and they always, and i mean ALWAYS, use getup attack after i use flame choke.
Needless to say, they dont like my ganon.
I think you should know how to use ganons scariness to fully utility his tools. Your opponent knows you can do 50% with one combo, and you should capitalize off of that by pretending to go for that combo starter and punishing the defensive option your opponent will choose. Of course, you could do this with any character, but I feel like ganon specializes exactly here.
if you respect ganon you might as well just play a carried character
I've always liked ganondorf but didn't really know how to play him. Thanks fatality
just spam something and you'll deal 50%, ezpz
also its a known law that you must end every game with at least one spike/warlock punch
yo need to read the future and you got it
How do you not know how to play a braindead character
§Brayden™ how do you feel the need to type that. I was just thanking the man for giving advice
@@owenoupasensack2240 I mean doriyah is basically how you play him
literally the best guide I've seen so far
THANK YOU FATALITY VERY COOL
Nice an actual guide, not just listing his moves
This guide is highly good. But seriously thanks, I got a couple great tips I wasn't aware of.
I just wonder what Ganon's up to!
Thank you for actually explaining how to apply moves in situations instead of just listing all the moves like every other "guide"
This was extremely comprehensive! Thank you for this.
Yoo thank you dude for this guide it taught me a lot about Ganon that I didn’t know at all
Great guide griffin
17:44 : It seems exhausting to do good content :3
His down air is the best
The thing I find strange about Ganon is that you can’t side B and then up B to recover, so his recovery is garbage. It’s strange because incineroar can follow up his side B with up B and I think other characters can as well...
His Up B already has pretty good diagonal range. Incineroar would be a disaster if he couldnt do both.
Yeah but it would be nice for the sake of mix ups, especially given how many other characters can do so. Also given how substantially they nerfed Ganon's ledge sweet spot range, I think it would only be fair. Nevermind that Ganoncide now kills us first, using it off stage is therefor mostly useless anyway😑
What? Ganon is currently a mid-tier character, that has some of the worst mobility stats, also lacks proper defensive tools, (like a move that's faster than frame 7 or a shield that covers his whole frame) is big, heavy yet floaty, which makes him easy to juggle but also hard for him to land back on stage. Due to his lackluster frame data and lack of range, armored or intangible hitboxes (unlike most other heavies btw), he struggles against sword characters and faster rushdown characters both, and that's not even taking in account how annoying projectile based campers are for Ganon.😑
So don't tell me he can't get at the very least a decent buff to his recovery! Even if his jump height got doubled and he could float, and use both of his recovery moves (which would be fair considering he'd easily be able to do so based on his canon in Loz), he'd still be very vulnerable of stage, bc both up-b and side-b are command grabs and thus lose to airials. I hate to be that guy, but if you don't get this; You need to git gud. 🤨
@@PhillyBoy-s1x Nah, having an abyssmal disadvantage state is not offset by being able to rack up damage in fewer moves than other characters, especially if there are heavies like bowser, charizard and ridley that can do pretty much the same while sharing next to none of those problems/weaknesses I mentioned.
In a game where mobility is the key to winning and controlling space with fast, arching area covering moves will dominate, just pure damage output is not enough, HELL I'll gladly take an overall nerf in damage for having a usable u-tilt and especially neutral-b.
@@PhillyBoy-s1x Well it's ofc also dependend which char you prefer playing, it's definitely worth considering learning practising a secondary which covers your main's more problematic matchups. If I think I can't succeed with Ganon for example I go for either Wolf, Meta knight or Greninja for instance.
Fatality with the frame one taunt party.
Ganon's best option is ledge cancel down b to buffered down b
Smash community: Ganondorf is bottom-tier.
Ganondorf mains: Those are some bold words while you're at 0%.
Learned a lot from this. Keep up the good work griffin!
Outfuckingstanding!!!!
This was disgustingly useful thanks
I have been hoping for a Ganon guide from you!
I bait ledge get-ups by:
Up-tilt (charging once they snap the ledge) - this usually sucks them in and hits them once they are back on the platform because of the wind hitbox.
If they get back on stage and answer up-tilt w/:
Sheild - the up-tilt will cause a shield break & I follow it with warlock punch. Instant K.O. Lol
Get-up/Roll-in - Charge up smash after the smoke animation of up-tilt if the move misses them. It’s very hard to see after the explosion/smoke animation after up-tilt and you can bait them into up smash because they think they see an opening. Lol
Ganondorf's Down Air is the most powerful spike of the game but relying on it can be punishable and risky. Heck, we can win match without it or once!
This was really helpful thank you!
1:40 oh i was wondering why the anchor arm feels so good in ultimate, god ganon is so lagless now
Great guide from one of my favorite and most underrated players
Really struggle playing gannon i just wind up getting chucked off stage and gimped
I have a question, im new to smash and I’ve picked up this character and all my friends are saying he’s an easy character and he’s strong and really easy to use. Is this true? Like an I not as good as them just cause im using this character? I win but they dont give me the credit when i do blaming it on it being because im ganon
Nah, they’re just bad
If you win, you played better. If they win, they played better.
you can beat them with any character if you are the better player but some good easy characters are ness ganon yoshi kirby and pyra mythra
Two words. Smash. Attacks.
This guide is beautiful. *It's great.*
When you do nair in neutral or in general. You shorthop, nair and then move, stop moving, shorthop again nair and so on right?
Because when Im trying go try to get fluid at shorthopping and doing nair and backairs like that I always missinput directions, so its hard to do nairs and bairs because I either turn the nair into a bair/fair or turn around when I land and Im facing the wrong way for bair.
C-stick ariels help a lot. Also letting your control stick reset to neutral after you dash is good too, so you’re ready to buffer into your next input.
I also use c-stick for tilts rather than smash attacks, since I think for characters like Falcon or maybe as well Ganon that helps tremendously on the ground, and tilt attacking out of run.
@@Hibernial true but you cant nair with c-stick
Hibernial I can shorthop upair/downair and fair easily because I do use the c-stick. But yea, cant nair with c-stick, and when you do a directional input BEFORE pressing A while jumping, It changes to a fair/bair
In general, you shouldn't worry that much about drifting with your Nairs until you get good with it. Even Nairs in place can be intimidating if done well.
Once you have the basics down for Nairing in place, that's when you can try moving while you Nair. The timing can be rough, but the easiest thing is to only move while the hitboxes are out so you can't input another move. Your jump should be straight up.
As for Bair, this is a just harder version of what I just said. Only move while you're airborne. As soon as you start falling, stop moving and prepare to jump. Once you're off the ground, feel free to move again.
Oh, and stationary Bairs are literally just like stationary Nairs except with C-Back instead of A.
ive been trying for an hour and CANNOT get the double-jump up-air onto the stage. I will always just do an up-air under the stage. does anyone have any advice? or do i just need to get good?
dkhgr get good or practice it with a character who has a better jump
dkhgr turn off stick jump
@@TheHahanicevideo never used stick jump ever anyway
dkhgr I’ve been practicing it for a while, I can do f air consistently back onto stage but up air i just keep going under
What buttons do you press if your own handheld Nintendo switch to do the neir
Are you doing rising fair / nair short hop fast fall? And if yes are you using cstick? I'm still learning the game but that's so many inputs in a short time
Basically yeah. He's definitely using the c-stick for his shorthop bairs.
Consider adding a kurogane hammer link in the description since you mentioned it specifically and new players might not be familiar with this resource.
i can’t recover after using wizards foot off stage can you please explain how you’re getting the height afterwards
Reverse the up b
Fatality is an absolute legend
The real question is how do you deal with zoners when using gannon?
you switch to falcon ; - ;
Yea I have a hard time with projectiles~ >.< need to practice movement more I guess
what are you talking about? I kill link with ganon every time
i can't figure out how to do the uair recovery @ 12:25
AFAIK, those moves are nearly impossible to be done properly if you're online with any input lag, because you might go too much down..
Boo! No gerudo valley!
If you boo one more time in the sacred peace facility of the fatality comment thread I’ll rip you to shreds
@@AHGavInDaUSA that's also disturbing the peace
You then become equally guilty
Seijen a risk a hero is willing to take
Ganons Sparta Kicks!!
But how do Ganon on Ice?
I notice your description says he's the King of Evil, but he's canonically the King of Thieves.
This is because there is only one Ganondorf throughout the games. All games that include Ganondorf so far have included him as the same individual/reincarnation.
The spirit of Ganon that continues to be reincarnated is the King of Evil, Demon King, etc.
Ganondorf is just one of the incarnations which has one specific alias.
So they are one and the same, but also not.
It's kinda like how God and Jesus both are and aren't technically the same in Christian beliefs.
(Lol someone's going to rage at that comparison for no reason)
TL;DR
Ganondorf is the same as Ganon.
Well yes, but actually no.
Great guide BTW, very thorough
Slow but more powerful version of Falcon
This ain’t melee, pal.
Put some respek on his name.
@@BromanderInChief Swinging that sword he's teased us since melee
Dude, what happened at Genesis. Leo went in on your falcon. Is it just a really bad match-up for falcon? Leo is so freakin good too.
Do you think flame choke then side smash would be a good quick moves
Only as a hard read. I used to do it all the time until I got closer to elite smash. People begin to catch on to that and find ways out of it very quickly, especially since a lot of ganons try it.
Mixing up your moves out of flame choke will help you immensely
I typically begin with FC to D-tilt to see how the opponent reacts, and if they don't tech I repeat until they do. And You're relatively safe if they do tech since your end lag ends before they finish rolling or teching in place.
What I do when they do tech is dash attack, another FC, run into Nair or run to grab (usually best after seeing their shielding habits). Then the next time I use FC I go for an option expecting them to tech.
I got elite smash just by forward smashing, works like a charm
For ganondorf should I have my joystick to tilts or smash?
I love ganon, but how come he moves slower than a Dragon Turtle, and a giant Penguin in a kimono wielding a big ass hammer?
Why does Ganon have such low air speed in this game? HE CAN FLY!!
I see you have the best Ganondorf skin
Old manondorf is best ganondorf
@@delicious_toes6931 I definitely agree in sm4sh, but it's just not the same without the beard :/
Anthoney Degroat tru tru
@@delicious_toes6931 I call him "Thanosdorf" lol
Rainbowstar 64 ooh that’s a good one
You are the best!!!
Saludos desde Guatemala!
Or just spam flame choke until high percentage and boot them off with zero effort. It's cheesy as fuck, but you can get them stuck in the chain.
what was the twitter account he said to follow for more info?
Awesome guide my man. One question though: how can you do the falling Wizard Kick offstage and still recover? I'm trying as hard as I can to buffer jump into up B but he always comes up short.
Reverse up b
I am having a really hard time trying to down throw + nair, i never have the momentum/placement to land the nair, and if i try to dash then nair i just end up doing a buffered fair. What is the proper way to execute this? Is this just a difficult timing window to learn how to move and nair? Do i need to change my shoulder button to jump/is this something that requires some sort of attack cancel tech? Please help! D throw nair is too bread and butter to be missing out on!
2 years late but incase you are here you don't have to change controls instead walk forward a tiny bit then jump nair even if if it isnt a true combo just practice that eventually it will be true boom easy 27.7% breadnbutter
I hate fighting ganon. He is my little mac bane of ultimate
They always try to ko on warlock punches and telegraph counters tbh
Tip, if your main has projectiles, zone him out. Or pick pikachu until you breal you fear of him. Pikachu basically owns Ganon. Its so unfair that it should be banned kkkk
Not a single up tilt was found in this video
Can you upload a ledge cancel tutorial
Do you think his up smash is better than in smash 4? His u smash in 4 was busted but it didnt really have alot of uses.
imo this up smash is better because of how much better the horizontal range is (from what I've seen most people feel this way). You can use it for ledge trapping now because it covers multiple options. It also covers the entire side platforms on battlefield, so if the opponent is going for a side platform then it's pretty much a free up smash. I believe this applies to the PS2 platforms too, but I don't remember off hand if they have the same height/length as battlefield's.
Could you turn the game audio down some?
I feel like Ike and Ganon (C. Falcon too) are the best fundamental characters in smash ultimate
Sean Riley how bout cloud/Mario.
@@grave_posiedon3666 Mario kinda but is specials are hard to use effectively. Cloud limit management but other than that yeah
*Xander wants to know your location.*
I think you should main Ganon in Ultimate
i was hoping you would make a video on your Genesis performance any why you think Leos Ike beat your falcon so easily.
12:39 How you do that quick get up from the ledge with an up air?
Press away from the stage to release the ledge grab, then immediately jump and do an up air while pressing back toward the stage.
jade elliott I’m consistently doing it with forward air, but when I try up air I can never get my stick in the forward position fast enough for me to land back on the stage. Any tips?
Yessssss
Dedede is best heavy ledge trapper
Change my Mind
where the offstage disrespect
Is it just me or do Ganons moves look almost identical to Falcons?
Ganon was a slower and stronger but otherwise identical copy of Falcon back in Melee, but they've slowly differentiated him over the past couple games.
The biggest differences from Falcon are his smash attacks, side B, utilt, and jab.
harrison carr not only is he similar in special moves to falcon. He also has the same ike smash attack’s and clouds down smash. He’s a mix of 3 other characters lol.
I had friends until i started maining the oldmanondorf
What’s a frame?
A frame is basically the shortest unit of animation over time. In Smash and most video games it's 1/60 of a second because they run at 60FPS.
I’ve been throwing so much salt at Ganon but I’m trying to forgive him. A good Ganon player is impossible to beat with Yoshi. I’m in Elite Smash and Ganon is the only character I have a zero win rate against. He’s ridiculous.
No mention of utterly DEMOLISHING people with warlock punch or shattering their shield AND their confidence with up-tilt? Or even worse, nothing about pulling a ganon-cide on people and doing side-special while you're both over the abyss when they're on last stock and you have 2 or more?
0/10 not enough disrespect.
No those moves need to go, give me the cape reflect/hover from PM or the most requested, logical choice for an iconic move, ballin' DEAD MAN'S VOLLEY over Warlockpunch anyday. Don't get me wrong it's an immensly satisfying move to land, but if they can't even bother giving it proper Superarmor and allow you to turn the move like Ryu's Focus Attack, it's mostly worthless for competetive.
As for U-tilt the infamous Volcano kick....
Outside of certain edge guarding situations, what do you do with a move that lasts longer than most people need to fully charge their projectiles? The only way I would keep this move would be as an F-smash. Can we get a normal reasonably fast Anti-air already? Like a faster, but ofc weaker (former) U-smash already ?
How do u insta dash attack
Dash plus c stick in the same direction at the same time.
@@N0thing2SeaHere thanks
Sheik is the worst character in the game
She’s at least a little better than Little Mac, give her some credit lol
@@chasingmyregrets8887 i edited this comment so yall have to guess
the only move ganon has thats truly his is.... nothing. hes a combination of everybody's moves.
Don’t forget about those up tilt shield breaks fellow Ganon mains 😉😎
We Tech Those it’s never going to work on a decent player unless they mis input
LK well there’s always reading air dodges
people complained about falcon clone moves... now he has ike and cloud moves... amd still has falcon moves. nontendo is lazy. ganon is there2nd most popular villain and they treat em like shit.
A lot of characters has recycled moves lol
All Ganondorf fans his nickname is G-DORF the King
Fucking hate sword fighters like fire emblem Lucina. Fucking broken against Ganondorf
O.O
falcon next :D or pichu
People friking love Pichu in this game lol
He already did Falcon!
@@KyleJFalcon :o my bad fatality!!
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