great take. I've had similar thoughts on archers and i find i bench them all together in normal kvks. Most people in these kvks love to do the back and forth fighting and archers are terrible at that, they are food. The only way id use a archer march now is if the kingdom is fighting all in all the time or in Ark tbh.. They need some sort of field love.
Good to see you Chadski 💪 You should make a series on how to micro manage in field, understanding the current field situations, where to send reinforcements for battle, how to use terrains for your advantage, tips and tricks. I'm sure everyone will love to here from you on this, much love ❤
Amazing stuff👀 Would love to see more of it. Insights from a experienced player and a nerd who actually whales is very interesting data to use👀 Tnx uncle🌚❤
Yeah, i think mainly they are for rally and garrison. I went down to one archer march on the field and i have 2 sets of full gear. Benefit of that is, my garrison always has gear on 😶🌫️
I restarted playing the game last year and invested in ZL because I already had YSG and desperately needed a march. It was insanely difficult to run this in the field with suboptimal equipment, and I could never trade better than equal, even in terms of KP. I saved up gold heads for Liu Che / WW, and this march has made fighting so much easier as I don't get destroyed instantly. Equipment is also so much easier to get for infantry
You nailed it when you said the devs dont know what they are doing. They are so out of touch with the game. I quit about a month ago, I was an archer player, I wasnt a max tech player so I was just getting demolished. That alone wasnt the reason I quit, the community has just declined so much, as an American player the game is SOOOOOO euro time based for a majority of the fighting and activity a lot of the time I played it was oh just hold and try to protect flags and forts so game got very boring.
Best feeling ever killing that zhuge running back to safety it brings me so much joy Its funny how you want even more stats just look at the amount every archer gives in free stats not to mention the amount of hp you get from sets it is hilarious
even before watching this video, i was planning on retiring my 2nd archer march and going another infantry march.. i completely agree with u, aside from zhue herman archer trade very badly
I was an archer main in 2022-23. As a low spend, I just could not justify staying with it. Too slow and constantly being targeted as soon as you engage in a murderball. So, I retooled into infantry at the end of 2023. My numbers are so much better now. I still run one Cav, one Archer and even one Engineering, but infantry is my core now. I don't regret the switch. Thx for your video and perspective 👍
There is a way to change the icon showing up in dot mode for archers and that’s to run a single siege march and hit a barb otw to ball. It’s annoying to do, but it changes the archer icon to integration so most people will think it’s a Trajan march on the field making the archer march less of a priority fighting in dot mode
@@alanlianov Well you would be the minority attacking an integration icon that isn't always an archer march haha. Majority of players would ignore it is what I'm saying
5:59 I remember when I first started the game in 2020. I wanted be a Cav main but everyone said that wasn’t a good idea. I ended up doing Archers because of that. Then Cav went up
As a Archer simp i can 100% confirm even in C kingdom kvks after enemy fond out you get focus like having bacon in your pockets......even march speed of liu wallace is faster then most archers pairs...... New archers might bring heavy change when a new openfieldbeast like zhuge will be released with great synergyze! Great video ❤
as an archer main for years and an archer simp, i would love to argue... but this is the best assesment i seen of new comanders XD... playing archers means you gota play super careful, i rarely leave murder balls lol... not optimal way to play at all.
Tier 5 of iconic for the boots: the march speed is only for outside of territory? It’s written in a way it could be interpreted as « 5% march speed all the time, 1% defense outside territory »
I am an archer main and smh agree with this video but he just exaggerated too much 💀 archers are still on top, I love the way he mentioned huo/navesky when it came to cav.. that it will melt everything 💀💀 yet no one uses it… including him.. 2 archers march are fine stronger than any other troop type.
I agree with everything you said except one thing Sajar has new skill mechanics when compared to Beli P and Wallace a new skill mechanics commander being in the Ok tier right now is a big deal because she has room to grow even stronger either indirectly(Getting New cav commanders countering current archer meta) or directly(Getting New Mighty heal commanders in next cycle). So if we take this into picture she is currently one tier above Beli P and Wallace and Currently on par with current Archers.
Good perspective. I don't know how much I would put into the forecasting of what commanders we will get in the future and how that affects Shajar. But Zhuge ramps the AOE total damage to 4000+ and Herman 3 targets hits at 4200. With a ton of buffing and debuffing. I do not think Shajar is at that level with just a straight 2800 single target as primary.
@@WarDaddyChadski Yes currently is not better short term investment but she is going to be better long term investment and also i think they divided archers into damage and support, if you want more kp and in a winning ball fight as you said go for zl/herman archer , if you want game changing non squishy multi heal sajars on field with little bit more sevs but wins you a flag in the process I will take that personally.
Awesome dude…congrats on the first video. Sure, sub and liking it coz we need real deal stuff n not just kraken stuff + + we are bored of the content as well
👁️👁️ the simple solution is be an all archer main and you can control them perfectly 😜 otherwise I agree for the normal player archers would be hard to use because of their speed and movement especially in that back and forth fighting
Legit take. Nothing really controversial. Archer mains just can't bring multiple marches to long hikes. They're custodians for when you already have field control and a friendly flag isn't far away.
And with the new garrison the missing skill dmg reduce makes him to vurnable against archers and cavs.....the trades with hera as second for example are horrible against the rally......
Hi i'm a Archer main for now i have one march bc i prefer to have armor first, i run Zl/Boudica i maxxed shar i love her i prefer her primary with Ysg, i also maxxed Artemisia yeah i khow some people think man why max Artemisia bc i like her she is tanky she have a good damage factor and works well with boudica i khow archer now are not strong in field but i keep going play them
Yeah I'm going to have to disagree as a hard archer main. The base dmg factor doesn't lie. Archers are still the dmg meta. Putting a bunch of stats on a lower dmg factor commander is putting lipstick on a pig. The aoe, the base dmg factor, and the archer tree all clearly make archers the tops of the tops. It is a major reason why archers are so targeted on the field. They'll wreck you if you don't target them. They're slow, you're right. Kvk formats matter though. Many of my kvk's i can rectify these smaller issues with bastion skills. You can add stats to inf or cav but again their base dmg is lower. Finally, the equipment and armaments are a massive multiplier that again benefit archers because higher base dmg. On top of that, all the skill dmg bonuses in the game. Also advantage archer. I baby my archer marches so I'm biased. But i think one conclusion that should be drawn is that how you care for your marches has a much bigger effect on how you view your marches than you may think
In conclusion, i find my archer marches very playable 🤣 one other thing, yes, they can be squishy. Which is why i don't understand why people use nebu with Ashur. Nebu is more glass cannon than ysg. I use Boudi Ash and it is an extremely effective march for me.
I think that is the point in what I am saying. "How you care for your marches" is my point exactly. You have to stay in the back and really micro manage to not get into trouble. But if you want to be a vanguard fighter and play at an intense level, your archers will get wrecked. I guess we can still claim them as the damage meta, but no where near as much as they used to be. Not anymore. Another point I was making. You can grab an insane amount of damage from INF now as opposed to the past. And an insane amount of single target damage from Cavs. But for archers, to get that slightly better damage, what is the cost? And the cost is the lack of march speed, tankiness, and game mechanic to make it easier to focus archer marches.
@@WarDaddyChadski well i was kind of using your argument. You say archers can never have enough march speed. The argument would be because it has a lower base march speed that those stats amplify. For damage, archers need less base damage than infantry or cavs. I agree it's not as dominant as it used to be, epsecially with Ragnar. And keep in mind, Ragnar is not a regular commander yet so we can't include him in that. I guess I'm just a little confused because archers have always been slow. Nothing has changed in that regard. People have always complained about boudica. Nothing new there either. And, back in the day, XY was the most painful commander to use but no one said cavs were almost unplayable. It seems to me there's always one march of any troop type that gets lit up. And, from my experience, my boudica ash holds up very close in performance, dmg, and tankiness to my liu alex or ww alex. Boudi Ash does heavy single target dmg. I guess we have to agree to disagree on this one. And we got Ash and Hermann while inf got WW and cavs got Beli. I think that was a huge win for archers.
Just the damage. Infantry gives it to you now. And between all the commanders and gear, alot of march speed, alot of utility, much more tanky. Just an easy safe bet
Regardless great assessment, archers are such a double edge sword. They always did high dmg so high organized kingdoms/fighters will always target them first. I know it because I do it 😂
Archers get targeted the most, that's literally it. Everything else is untrue, archers are the most tanky unit (for some reason) now if you go off skills.
hi brother, my acc is 600 days old. i got two archer marches, zhuge- herman and 5551 boudica- ysg with maxed museum. I wanna either expertise ashur or shajar. We will register kvk on 28th so i still have time to decide ..which one would you recommend with ysg ?
Between the two, I would decide what you want to do. Ash is good in the field. Not S tier but really good. Appear Shajar will be good for a second march. Without wasting into Boudica, probably run a Shajar/YSG and just max damage the thing. If you are going to be slow and squishy, might as well have max damage.
This isn't true, this is 1.000.000% true, i have better report with nevsky/mehmed than ZL/Herman P or Budica/ZL. Any good report with archer is when i use artifact on ZL or Herman P and put them behind nevsky. But even that i get bad reports, don't know why!
And now lilith is giving us shit.. i mean true dmg😢 like why?! We already have the biggest hospital bills!! Should have gave us 3k 5 target aoe with another instant proc dmg on 4th skill with minimum 20% ms. Instead they gave us a chaining barbs meta that's only playable in ark where you don't need to heal 😭 guess lilith want us archers to quit
I mean I've been a hater from beginning, healing and archer just don't feel right 😅and i don't like the transition heal>dmg in heal mode its just feels like like almost no dmg. As you said in your video everyone is targeting archers and it can work fine against noobs but if your enemies knows what they're doing you're just going to fill your hospital and that's the last thing archer players need 😫
Chadski making content is something I never thought I needed, but now that we have it this is amazing.
great take. I've had similar thoughts on archers and i find i bench them all together in normal kvks. Most people in these kvks love to do the back and forth fighting and archers are terrible at that, they are food. The only way id use a archer march now is if the kingdom is fighting all in all the time or in Ark tbh.. They need some sort of field love.
Good to see you Chadski 💪
You should make a series on how to micro manage in field, understanding the current field situations, where to send reinforcements for battle, how to use terrains for your advantage, tips and tricks.
I'm sure everyone will love to here from you on this, much love ❤
Amazing stuff👀
Would love to see more of it.
Insights from a experienced player and a nerd who actually whales is very interesting data to use👀
Tnx uncle🌚❤
I have been doing Archer rally and garrison in a lower relaxed kingdom and I seem to do well even though I don’t have the best of the best. ☺️
It’s more about field and the issues with archers
Yeah, i think mainly they are for rally and garrison. I went down to one archer march on the field and i have 2 sets of full gear. Benefit of that is, my garrison always has gear on 😶🌫️
Editor's note. I love archers. Hate what the game has done to them.
Lilith always hates archers man
I restarted playing the game last year and invested in ZL because I already had YSG and desperately needed a march. It was insanely difficult to run this in the field with suboptimal equipment, and I could never trade better than equal, even in terms of KP. I saved up gold heads for Liu Che / WW, and this march has made fighting so much easier as I don't get destroyed instantly. Equipment is also so much easier to get for infantry
You nailed it when you said the devs dont know what they are doing. They are so out of touch with the game. I quit about a month ago, I was an archer player, I wasnt a max tech player so I was just getting demolished. That alone wasnt the reason I quit, the community has just declined so much, as an American player the game is SOOOOOO euro time based for a majority of the fighting and activity a lot of the time I played it was oh just hold and try to protect flags and forts so game got very boring.
Best feeling ever killing that zhuge running back to safety it brings me so much joy
Its funny how you want even more stats just look at the amount every archer gives in free stats not to mention the amount of hp you get from sets it is hilarious
Unironically, Chad is the best part of any Chisgule stream
even before watching this video, i was planning on retiring my 2nd archer march and going another infantry march.. i completely agree with u, aside from zhue herman archer trade very badly
I was an archer main in 2022-23. As a low spend, I just could not justify staying with it. Too slow and constantly being targeted as soon as you engage in a murderball. So, I retooled into infantry at the end of 2023. My numbers are so much better now. I still run one Cav, one Archer and even one Engineering, but infantry is my core now. I don't regret the switch.
Thx for your video and perspective 👍
You should split your videos up into chapters. You made a lot of points in this video
Cool video chadski! Enjoyed playing with the crew in 2605
There is a way to change the icon showing up in dot mode for archers and that’s to run a single siege march and hit a barb otw to ball. It’s annoying to do, but it changes the archer icon to integration so most people will think it’s a Trajan march on the field making the archer march less of a priority fighting in dot mode
That is actually a great idea. Interesting.
That won't work forever. In fact if I see integration icon it's 90% archers lol
@@alanlianov Well you would be the minority attacking an integration icon that isn't always an archer march haha. Majority of players would ignore it is what I'm saying
5:59 I remember when I first started the game in 2020. I wanted be a Cav main but everyone said that wasn’t a good idea. I ended up doing Archers because of that. Then Cav went up
Yooo good video bro! Expecting daily stuff now🥰
Welcome G!
As a Archer simp i can 100% confirm even in C kingdom kvks after enemy fond out you get focus like having bacon in your pockets......even march speed of liu wallace is faster then most archers pairs...... New archers might bring heavy change when a new openfieldbeast like zhuge will be released with great synergyze!
Great video ❤
Good to see you making content :)
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My guy thank you!
Check in with socks, his whole philosophy is march speed. I agree too, for anyone that can micro, march speed is king
This guys where the rubber meets the road hands down.....
as an archer main for years and an archer simp, i would love to argue... but this is the best assesment i seen of new comanders XD... playing archers means you gota play super careful, i rarely leave murder balls lol... not optimal way to play at all.
We need more from your Chadski!
Tier 5 of iconic for the boots: the march speed is only for outside of territory? It’s written in a way it could be interpreted as « 5% march speed all the time, 1% defense outside territory »
Damn i always heard chizzy talk about chadski but then i watched ur vids its on 🔥💯
nice man keep the good work !❤💙
Great video Chadski! I hope to see more vids meow
@@slatter2105 feckin cats
When I played against you and Wardaddybuck I changed my name to Battledaddy! Good to see ya man. Haha
My guy! Good seeing you
I am an archer main and smh agree with this video but he just exaggerated too much 💀 archers are still on top, I love the way he mentioned huo/navesky when it came to cav.. that it will melt everything 💀💀 yet no one uses it… including him.. 2 archers march are fine stronger than any other troop type.
I really like this kind of videos just saying the truth about the game.👍
Nice to see you making content Chadski! Leeet's gooo! Super cool and interesting video!
Bro ❤ legit review, Just subscribed. Please keep it up with the same passion or even more for RoK. Love from #1719
Tbh Ashur/Nebu been doing pretty good for me, good march speed and good tankiness
ATM I run ZL/Herman, Ashur/Nebu on my way to both being I5 boots
x5 archers f2p ~16b kp
this game has nothing to complain if you truly enjoy.
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My guy!
So amazing thank you! 1st Comment!!!!
I agree with everything you said except one thing Sajar has new skill mechanics when compared to Beli P and Wallace a new skill mechanics commander being in the Ok tier right now is a big deal because she has room to grow even stronger either indirectly(Getting New cav commanders countering current archer meta) or directly(Getting New Mighty heal commanders in next cycle). So if we take this into picture she is currently one tier above Beli P and Wallace and Currently on par with current Archers.
Good perspective. I don't know how much I would put into the forecasting of what commanders we will get in the future and how that affects Shajar. But Zhuge ramps the AOE total damage to 4000+ and Herman 3 targets hits at 4200. With a ton of buffing and debuffing. I do not think Shajar is at that level with just a straight 2800 single target as primary.
@@WarDaddyChadski Yes currently is not better short term investment but she is going to be better long term investment and also i think they divided archers into damage and support, if you want more kp and in a winning ball fight as you said go for zl/herman archer , if you want game changing non squishy multi heal sajars on field with little bit more sevs but wins you a flag in the process I will take that personally.
Nice insight. Keep it up.
Awesome dude…congrats on the first video. Sure, sub and liking it coz we need real deal stuff n not just kraken stuff + + we are bored of the content as well
👁️👁️ the simple solution is be an all archer main and you can control them perfectly 😜 otherwise I agree for the normal player archers would be hard to use because of their speed and movement especially in that back and forth fighting
I Just started, should i become an Archer main? I would love to
Damn, I remember you from 2080. You don't know me ofc but yeah. I hope you are goign well in your current kingdom.
Legit take. Nothing really controversial. Archer mains just can't bring multiple marches to long hikes. They're custodians for when you already have field control and a friendly flag isn't far away.
Good video 👍 waiting the next…
Let’s goo ❤
No no in Chads language it’s more like : let’s f*****g goooooooooo 😂
@@laetilv hahaha
Great video WAR DADDY. I subcribed and all notes. You blow C will out of the water with great insights
No no friend. Cwill is legend.
Main archer account with 5-7 marches ,, RIP
And with the new garrison the missing skill dmg reduce makes him to vurnable against archers and cavs.....the trades with hera as second for example are horrible against the rally......
Yes dot mode was the thing that completely killed archers for me
Hi i'm a Archer main for now i have one march bc i prefer to have armor first, i run Zl/Boudica i maxxed shar i love her i prefer her primary with Ysg, i also maxxed Artemisia yeah i khow some people think man why max Artemisia bc i like her she is tanky she have a good damage factor and works well with boudica i khow archer now are not strong in field but i keep going play them
Good video 🤗
Let’s gooo
Yeah I'm going to have to disagree as a hard archer main. The base dmg factor doesn't lie. Archers are still the dmg meta. Putting a bunch of stats on a lower dmg factor commander is putting lipstick on a pig. The aoe, the base dmg factor, and the archer tree all clearly make archers the tops of the tops. It is a major reason why archers are so targeted on the field. They'll wreck you if you don't target them. They're slow, you're right. Kvk formats matter though. Many of my kvk's i can rectify these smaller issues with bastion skills. You can add stats to inf or cav but again their base dmg is lower. Finally, the equipment and armaments are a massive multiplier that again benefit archers because higher base dmg. On top of that, all the skill dmg bonuses in the game. Also advantage archer. I baby my archer marches so I'm biased. But i think one conclusion that should be drawn is that how you care for your marches has a much bigger effect on how you view your marches than you may think
In conclusion, i find my archer marches very playable 🤣 one other thing, yes, they can be squishy. Which is why i don't understand why people use nebu with Ashur. Nebu is more glass cannon than ysg. I use Boudi Ash and it is an extremely effective march for me.
I think that is the point in what I am saying. "How you care for your marches" is my point exactly. You have to stay in the back and really micro manage to not get into trouble. But if you want to be a vanguard fighter and play at an intense level, your archers will get wrecked.
I guess we can still claim them as the damage meta, but no where near as much as they used to be. Not anymore. Another point I was making. You can grab an insane amount of damage from INF now as opposed to the past. And an insane amount of single target damage from Cavs. But for archers, to get that slightly better damage, what is the cost? And the cost is the lack of march speed, tankiness, and game mechanic to make it easier to focus archer marches.
@@WarDaddyChadski well i was kind of using your argument. You say archers can never have enough march speed. The argument would be because it has a lower base march speed that those stats amplify. For damage, archers need less base damage than infantry or cavs. I agree it's not as dominant as it used to be, epsecially with Ragnar. And keep in mind, Ragnar is not a regular commander yet so we can't include him in that. I guess I'm just a little confused because archers have always been slow. Nothing has changed in that regard. People have always complained about boudica. Nothing new there either. And, back in the day, XY was the most painful commander to use but no one said cavs were almost unplayable. It seems to me there's always one march of any troop type that gets lit up. And, from my experience, my boudica ash holds up very close in performance, dmg, and tankiness to my liu alex or ww alex. Boudi Ash does heavy single target dmg. I guess we have to agree to disagree on this one. And we got Ash and Hermann while inf got WW and cavs got Beli. I think that was a huge win for archers.
What would you play then?
3 infantry - 1 cav - 1 arch?
Infantry pretty much has 3 meta marches at this point
Just the damage. Infantry gives it to you now. And between all the commanders and gear, alot of march speed, alot of utility, much more tanky. Just an easy safe bet
Im full archer main ❤
3:14 I think its cause the field is oversaturated with Cavs.
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War daddy Chad video ?!?!?!
Regardless great assessment, archers are such a double edge sword. They always did high dmg so high organized kingdoms/fighters will always target them first. I know it because I do it 😂
It's good for barbs chain
Archers get targeted the most, that's literally it. Everything else is untrue, archers are the most tanky unit (for some reason) now if you go off skills.
keep it up Chad 💪
LOL, tell chisgule about healing system ! He always get excited bout that 🤣🤣🤣
hi brother, my acc is 600 days old. i got two archer marches, zhuge- herman and 5551 boudica- ysg with maxed museum. I wanna either expertise ashur or shajar. We will register kvk on 28th so i still have time to decide ..which one would you recommend with ysg ?
Run your 2 archers if you have to then run cavs / inf
@@Fowlaarr i already have 2 inf and 1 cav
@@muratilik1637 run 2 cav for sure. March speed is king on field
Between the two, I would decide what you want to do. Ash is good in the field. Not S tier but really good. Appear Shajar will be good for a second march. Without wasting into Boudica, probably run a Shajar/YSG and just max damage the thing. If you are going to be slow and squishy, might as well have max damage.
@@WarDaddyChadski thanks bro
Nice
Archer most expensive troop type in game
Let's gooo Chad!!!
Make account reviews, please!
Archer main here.. other than ash rally and huge + hermann... Archer sucks..
I just fight with 1 open march now.
Your take sums up my decision to go cav main and only run one infantry. Especially since im playing on a phone 100 percent of the time.
I hate my cav main and have been working on inf and arch marches to add to it 3 calv an arch and inf
yooo chadskii
This isn't true, this is 1.000.000% true, i have better report with nevsky/mehmed than ZL/Herman P or Budica/ZL. Any good report with archer is when i use artifact on ZL or Herman P and put them behind nevsky. But even that i get bad reports, don't know why!
easy sub
I feel targeted 😭
War Chadski 🙌🏻
And now lilith is giving us shit.. i mean true dmg😢 like why?! We already have the biggest hospital bills!! Should have gave us 3k 5 target aoe with another instant proc dmg on 4th skill with minimum 20% ms.
Instead they gave us a chaining barbs meta that's only playable in ark where you don't need to heal 😭 guess lilith want us archers to quit
It is tough 100%. But I think Shamar true damage is sneaky. Who knows. Will have to test more and more.
I mean I've been a hater from beginning, healing and archer just don't feel right 😅and i don't like the transition heal>dmg in heal mode its just feels like like almost no dmg.
As you said in your video everyone is targeting archers and it can work fine against noobs but if your enemies knows what they're doing you're just going to fill your hospital and that's the last thing archer players need 😫
78? 😂
Hey man, can you give advice on my account? 😊