Jordan Love or Jalen Hurts: Who you rather have this season? | First Take
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- Jordan Love or Jalen Hurts: Who you rather have this season? | First Take
Kimberley Martin, Joe Fortenbaugh and Harry Douglas debate whether they would want Green Bay Packers QB Jordan Love or Philadelphia Eagles QB Jalen Hurts this season.
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I’d Love to pick Hurts cause it Hurts to pick Love
Lmfaooo ur a genius. That’s a bar!!!
great comment
Id rather love 💗 than to hurt 😂😂😂
Poetic
W comment
Hurts had AJ brown, smith, and a great TE.
Love had all rookies/2nd years…
the numbers only speak a part of the story.
Look at AJ and Devonte stats both years he feeds his play makers! It’s about using your weapons not stat padding
@@Trizzyveli what I am saying is that he has high quality options to throw to.
Jordan Love looked great without having that. They built together, and now they look like the best young and upcoming WR core.
@@bulls-nation5783 Green Bay has a competent OC and DC last year. And even with Eagles inability to put together a consistent offense and defense Eagles receivers went well over 1000 yards for back to back years bro. I’m only bringing this up because your point you made about love is correct but you don’t have to slight hurts to prove that point lol
@@TrizzyveliI don’t even think he’s down playing hurts he’s just literally pointing out the obvious. Look at what Jordan love has done with a supporting cast that’s literally second year players or rookies . That is insane . Not to mention the eagles having an O line like they had . Vs the packers o line that found their way throughout the season playing musical chairs with guys trying to find the best fit . Love threw for more TDs and more passing yards with less INTS and not one single star player just up and coming stars . I’d look at it this way , put Hurts on the packers with the players Love had Vs love on the Eagles .
And some how that’s hurts fought
The offensive mastermind left and Hurts was left with Sirianni. The question this season is will Sirianni allow Kellen Moore to do his job. Or will he override him with plays that caused the collapse last year. With that cloud over the eagles i choose Jordan Love too.
Sirianni is smart enough to understand that Kellen Moore's playcalling style benefits hurts so he will let them run the show. They have to fix the defense which was a bigger issue.
Sirianni already stated he let go of his play calling responsibility
@@rafaelisslaam1894Kellen Moore is no genius. He has the same stylistic approach to variety as McCarthy. Does a few things well and a lot of basics generic stuff. It’ll look exciting for a bit and then fall off as the season goes on pretty much like every season he was with Dallas
Sirianni is not suppose interfere anymore.
That’s the thing I don’t really trust about the Eagle’s coaching staff but I can trust the packers to get better. I don’t believe in Nick I believe in Matt
Hurts never passed for 25tds or more and he's never once hit 4k passing yards.
Love in his first year as a starter had 32TD's and actually hit for over 4k passing yards, while missing a few players half the season on the youngest team in the NFL.
Only thing ppl can say Hurts managed to do is go to the SB on a Super Team with the #1 oline, top 3 wr duo (most say #1) and top 3 defense and lost.
This really shouldn't be a question. Love is head and shoulders a better QB. Jalen is a lot more limited than people realize.
casuals will say jalen is better because of his rushing ability, they don’t know love has an amazing rushing ability because the packers didnt use it this year. just wait til they tap into that part of his game 😮💨😮💨.
@@kliqity I prefer they don't. Besides when you need a 1st a lane is wide open. But I think it's dumb to pay a QB, QB Money and then turn them into a Battle Ram. Do we remember Cam Newton's career?
The way you fans are setting Jordan Love up this next season is gonna be comedy lmfao
@@kingrambo519 you mean like what happened to Jalen Hurts last year? Could happen.
not throwing in Marc Spears on this question is wild
can we acknowledge for once that rushing touch downs and rushing yards for a QB still count as stats ??? literally every QB debate excludes this info w/ Lamar, Jalen and Josh, it makes no sense to me. I care about total touchdowns and total yards not strictly passing stats
Can we also acknowledge the fact Brian Johnson was our OC last year, his first year ever and was not ready.. now we have Kellen Moore an established winner & Good OC
can we also acknowledge that 1 yard tush pushes are the lamest offensive stat possible and should be ridiculed when touted as an example of good QB play?
@@jinglejangle6414 Nah not when Jalen be the reason we get down there in the first play, most Those 1Yd TDs be bc he got the ball on playmaker hands but they don’t finish & if they did It still be a TD for him…
@@jinglejangle6414 depends how this year goes honestly, now we get to see if it’s kelce or hurts who was the reason they’re successful at it
Yes they count but 23-15 isn’t going to get it done yea 15 rushing tds are great but teams this past year have watched the eagles and how they played and they realized alright make him throw it and don’t let him run and we seen what happened when they didn’t let him be dynamic as he usually is
The question wasn't who has more weapons or best o-line. The entire argument for Jalen is that he has a better team. Player v player who do you want is the question.
Naw. Eli has nothings to somebody. Tom Brady, literally we a new CB and WR every mid season 😂 i do love most of the qbs getting dicussed are and will be black for a while lol
@@trayshawndurley4533why yall always bring race into it literally no reason too
@@chanothagod3618 because black people only see color.
So the Eagles had the easiest schedule last year and beat everyone when Jalen was healthy, didn’t matter but with the hardest schedule this year, starts 10-1? It does matter.
Eagles hate is has gone too far. Y’all act as if yall know these teams inside the building.
@yahcrack you dikkriding the Eagles too hard. The only reason y’all went 10-1 against the hardest teams was because they had injuries in very important positions and you also lost to Zach Wilson and Drew Locke to start your collapse (that everyone enjoyed).
@@caliposted5873Lmao the Eagles had key injuries in those first 10 games too and still won that’s not an excuse bro
They didn’t have the easiest schedule, they had one of the hardest what are you talking about😂
@@UrJustTooEasy I think he means the year prior.
@@caliposted5873 drew locke was at the end. Losing to both 49ers and cowboys hurt them bad and started the collapse. Mostly on the defensive side of the ball, literally called out by deebo. You gotta speak facts bro.
ugh clicked off as soon as i saw kmart. We need to see more of RC
Lmao right
And that stupid wig 😂
I swear bro
For real!!! i just can't watch her, rubs me wrong
Can’t stand that hoe frfr
Please get her off of the show ASAP
Is her grandfather the director of this show? How in the heck did she get put on this show?
My thing is did people just forget about all the dysfunction the eagles was OUTSIDE of hurts and people FORGET hurts was hurt ALL SEASON also people FORGET that with all that dysfunction HE CARRIED THE EAGLES IN MULTIPLE 4th quarter closes
I like to have the QB that has been to the SB.
So you’d rather have Joe Flacco instead of Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen?
@Theteenagegamer i agree with what you're saying, it's like picking jimmy garoppolo over Aaron Rodgers
@@Theteenagegamer was Joe Flacco a pro bowler? All pro? MVP candidate once in his career?? That comparison is not the same my guy stop it 😂😂😂
@@clutchdunkshow Arod won a SB jimmy lost hurts lost but love never been so that's a terrible comparison
@@rylandyancey6514exactly😂
This segment had Kimberly talking to hear herself talk and someone saying 'More Better'...... I'm sorry, but we need a bit more substantial analysis ESPN. Who are these people?
Diversity hires. Kimberly has no business debating sports on a major sports network. She always sounds like she barely knows anything about football. The rest of them are the C squad.
Thank you!
Recency Bias is crazy. Jalen Hurts has taken his team to the superbowl and went toe to toe with Mahomes. He has been in the MVP conversation for 2 years in a row. His coordinators were awful last year and it trickled down to the whole team. New coordinators, a younger defense and adding a Saquon Barkley is Huge. Expect the Eagles to be a dominant team this year contending for #1 in the NFC.
Completely agree
Watch the Packers dominate you in Brazil!
Jordan love was amazing last yr with rookies and sophomores. While hurtz lost his 1 #1 wr and fell off massively. Jlove literally had the best offense in the nfl since week 8
@@packers12to80 he was also injured
@@packers12to80 I also get Jordan love was really good and will be good this year but I think hurts will be better
As a Texans fan, Jordan Love over Crying Hurts
What’s the point of saying “As a Texans fan” lmao
@@BratatoChip Jalen Hurts is from Texas . Not that hard to understand
@@MikkiChavez Kind of irrelevant.
Bro is mad Jalen's a top 5 QB but Stroud isn't yet.
@@SomeRandomParticle it's not lol & Everyone knows Stroud is better than Hurts by a mile.
Hurts has gone to a super bowl, carried us to 10-1 despite horrific coaching.
Thank u
That’s the thing. Eagles have the avengers on their team. Mean while the Packers have rookies and young guys. And Love was able to take his team and beat the cowboys and go toe to toe with the 49ers. With a not so good defense. Jalen Hurts needs star players around him to do good. Love can do it with anyone.
@@peterthao17 Love also has Matt LaFleur driving that offense, and no tape out on him yet. A good roster can only take you so far when your coach was as bad as Brian Johnson was for the Eagles.
@@lattjeful Jordan Love was doing good towards the end of the season. By now Teams should have tapes of him. Besides Eagles might have Brian Johnson. But the Eagles offense is literally stack with AJ Brown and DSmith. With one of the best O line in the league. Coaches can only help you by telling you want to do. But they can’t help you physically.
3:52 Eagles gave up 39 sacks this year(not even top 10)
Packers gave up 30 (4th best) Shows how much they know…
Hurts holds on to the ball too long unfortunately
@@isaiahedwards6586when your play calling was running 4 vertz on a vanilla offense what do you expect ? You don’t know ball
@@DynastysLegacylol you dont know ball apparently you forgot the tush push was a thing 😂
@@DynastysLegacyYOU sir don’t know ball 🤣
This conversation was minus rushing tds/yards. Why?
They always do that to Jalen
Love I think is gonna be great, can we wait to see Hurts with a new OC now with Barkley.
Why you think that?
The question was “Jalen Hurts or Jordan Love” not Eagles or Packers. Talking about the surrounding cast is essentially irrelevant. What should be asked is if you had the same team around them who would you trust more to perform better at the quarterback position? It’s Jordan Love and I can’t wait to see how much further he grows in year 2 as the starting quarterback
I'd rather have Love. We've already seen everything Hurts can do. I don't see him improving. Love is just starting. We don't know his ceiling yet.
Hurts can’t improve? That’s reaching buddy. He was 10-1 on one knee while being the worst coached team in the league. Man is 25 years old 😂
Teams got a full season of film on Love so let’s see what he does in his 2nd year as the starter
That’s wild.. hurts improved from a 2nd round pick to a Super Bowl QB and MVP candidate
They’re the same age
Hurts put up 35 in the Superbowl ran for 3 Yds and threw for 1 the only player ever to do that. Also eagles have the two most highest scoring Superbowls
Eagles wouldn't even put a wr over the middle of the field last year. When they did smitty had some big yards. This year completely different
Smiity had touch downs when they did.
This turned into who have the better team it’s supposed to be what QB would you rather have
The way I look at it is if you can start your team with 1 QB then fill out your roster around them
ESPN employing casuals will never stop,how on earth is this even a debate, your talking of a guy that went head to head in the Superbowl with best QB
It wasn't the Super Bowl, but Love and the Packers did beat the Chiefs last season...
Do you watch football? Not saying which one I would rather have but if you don’t think this is a real question then you don’t watch football. Last season love was far better than hurts down the stretch.
@@mitchy3438 come on mate let's not do that your using jordan love one season to judge what Jalen hurts has done, I agree Jalen was not his best last season but let's not forget the eagles where 10-1 before their famous meltdown and Jalen hurts was an MVP candidate after facing one of the toughest schedule last season
@@zekethebassman I understand but it's not the same as doing it in the super bowl,to be able to play nearly perfect in the super bowl where the lights are the brightest and pressure is on another level
@@shamsudeendurojaiye9473 sure they were 10-1 but if we are being honest they easily should have lost a couple of games. At no point this past season did the Eagles look dominant
Who made it to the divisional round?
As a giants fan… I’ll take either
I'm a Packers fan so obviously going to say Love but both are beasts.
I’m going to go with the guy that actually played the game!
Loving it ! All the way
Harry is talking about the players when in fact while the Eagles have better players, the packers have a top 3 play caller in the entire NFL.
Jalen Hurts🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅
training camp hasn’t even started yet and here yall go with these topics? Anyway, I’m taking Hurts. Y’all think y’all know our players more than us. 😂
Jalen Hurts takes advantage of how defensive players cant tee off on the quarterback. Hes not super elusive, hes thick. But i dont get how nobody just tees off on the guy. His arm talent is average at best.
Jordan Love has sped up his timing, he can throw it all over the yard. Hes a big dude that can see over the line. Their is no comparison. Best qb in 2020 class, when its all said and done.
The eagles won 11 games with a collection of college football coaches who couldnt figure out how to address the blitz and forgot the middle of the field existed, and a defense that let the cardinals score over 30 points. If the new coordinators are halfway competent things are gonna look a lot different this year.
I rather have love cause his upside seems higher. I never liked the fact that quarterbacks get yac from the receivers added on to their passing yds though. 5yd pass can become 70 passing yds on qb stat sheet so who really has more passing yds cause the receivers gas the qb stats up a lot.
Well, if his argument is Eagles Oline, WR and TE are better but Love still had a better season doesnt that mean Love is better?
I think you’re missing a thing called hmmm let’s see defense, play calling, coordinators… just to name a few
Hurts also beat chiefs cowboys bills fins b2b2b2b but you won’t take that into account right
Well, if the argument is who has put in the 2nd best sb performance of all time, doesn’t that mean hurts is better?
TE wise Kraft and Musgraves could easily be Gonzalez/Kelce level. They forsure could take a leap this year. Everyone can sleep all they want on the Packers, but they have the personnel to become extremely dominant for years
@@jt26_3Joe Barry is way worse than whoever the eagles had
Can’t believe this is even a topic…the one that actually accomplish something
What did he accomplish?
Love's upside is way higher. Not sure if he reaches it, but Love could be another Favre/Rodgers/Mahomes GOAT-level type QB within the next 2 -3 years. Love all day!
If im being honest no bias pick im taking jordan love and the packers they have 3 really underrated wr that havent really been given any respect for the stuff they accomplished last year and a young and better version of aaron jones in josh jacobs and well as a pretty decent o line especially spending like 4 or 5 picks on oline in the draft
Jalen Hurts was sacked 36 times last year and Jordan Love was sacked 30 times so just confused on who has a better OLine
Packers didn't have kelce retire, eagles OL just got worse.
Jalen Hurts needs lots of help to play well. 2022 was def his peak
“His sophomore year was deaf his peak after watching his junior year” bro do you hear how dumb you sound
What has Jordan Love really done? Cmon these cats are hilarious. I like Love, but when he can put the entire team on his back and win then we can talk.
I am a Packers fan and will pick Love. He's better and will keep getting better with his receivers.
Yes! Stay on that side please!
J Love all day.
Eagles' 7 coordinators in 3 years.
Insane!
Love all day.
Love will cement himself as a top 3 QB this year.
bro went from Mahomes discussions to Jordan Love comparisons 😭
Is that guy intentionally doing a stephan A impression? Lol
You’d think Joe was in the Eagles building when it comes to problems LMAO
Love sat behind Aaron Rodgers for 3 seasons. Hurts was 10-1 last year and was looked at as an MVP until he hit the 10-1 skid. He DOES have issues reading defenses at times and checking down... but he also had the same OC for only 2 years in a row. Love has a coach who won 13+ games 3 years in a row. He has only 1 starting year of NFL tape on him. That being said, GreenBay is set up this year. They approached free agency like Philly. They are taking advantage of a 2nd year starter.. but Love's contract is due soon cuz he was drafted in 2020. GreenBay is building and peaking at the right time. It's not like the wide receivers GreenBay has are bums. They are good young wide receivers. Love also had Aaron Jones and that other thic dude at RB lol a decent o line and scrappy defense. As an Eagles fan, I like Love and have my doubts about Hurts. Recency bias makes me want to pick Love, but that's also cuz the Packers groom their QB's well. Remember, it wasn't like Hurts was a scrub coming out of college. They called him a "project" cuz we still had Wentz at the time. Hurts does have the benefit of having great pieces around him, but it's all about how everyone fits. This one is too close to call.
Honestly packers got the better receiving rooms from top to bottom. From tight ends and full depth of wr. Just hands down better. Four of pack wr can be a easy number two on most teams in the league
You can't tell me that green bay doesn't have the better wr/te group they all played so well that jordan was able to feed everyone and not just 2 wrs a te eagles have some question marks that need to be addressed in offense
Bruh love has had one season let’s hop off the hype train and think logically on this one
Who is doing more with less ? Jordan Love that’s your answer
I’m an eagles fan we lost six of our last games I was disappointed but we had terrible coordinators and it seem like all are players were injured but I believe next season will be a comeback we have two of the best cb in the draft and some other very good picks to we dominated free agency getting a lot of good people for defense and offense we are Super Bowl contenders Howie is just that guy I believe we will accomplish much more than what we did last year 2024 Eagles is gonna be something else 🦅🔛🔝
I'm taking Love cuz according to this guy he did more and went farther with less star players on offense and the only one I can think of was the RB who was injured half the season.
Hurts the most overrated 200 milly qb ever
Your comment and 5 likes is delusional
Who is this Kmart person. ? I’m glad I don’t take these takes serious lmao .
I think eye test if your not blind shows love has way more talent and much better arm and can also run and he had way less in greenbay.Hurts always has stacked teams
These hosts eyebrows are quite a 'Peak'
Love is getting good but by the end of the day I am an Eagles fan.
if love can play undeniably better than jalen hurts then why is this still a debate. his argument is that love has worse weapons than the eagles. that’s true but it also shows that love makes the plays and hurts relies on the “better offense”. men lie, women lie, numbers don’t lie people!
jordan love im a 49er fan he has less help and was better in everything excluding rushing stats
So this guys argument for Hurts over Love is that the Eagles have all the help in the world for Jalen?
Not in the slightest lmao you just don’t see the other points. Why you choose not to is beyond me
Harry Douglas obviously didn't understand the question, it was "would you rather have Love or Hurts?". The question didn't ask "would you rather have the green bay offense or philly offense?". The second he starts talking about who is surrounding the QB his point becomes invalid.
Don’t forget about all the injuries last year the eagles had
2:06 the question was which QB would u rather have?? Not what team would u rather have. The case he made actually makes the case for Love even more considering he did better in those stats while NOT having a true WR1 let lone TWO OF THEM…if u don’t go with Love ur insane. Idc how shaky he was last year cause so was hurts. Love can clearly do more with less so if ur picking QB its clearly love
Jordan Love if he can play with rookie WR/TE he can play with Brown, and Smith,...I don't think it would be the other way around
Look at my avatar, you know who I’m picking. It’s got the potential to be a great game to start the season, I certainly hope it is. You can’t forget it’s a team sport though and both of these teams had struggling defenses. Both teams added a stud RB, both teams added a new coordinator. Eagles added two new coordinators. I just think Green Bay is going to have an offensive explosion this year
Im glad Stephen A Smith doesn't come on first take on that much anymore... I hope he got inspired by Shannon and start doing his own shows... Stephen A Smith doesn't need first take... He needs a bigger platform
He should be off television with his tap dancing antics.
Yes, it’s which QB do you want? Not what team do you want…
It's pretty straightforward. Hurts has proven himself more, but Love has much higher upside and potential. It may still be a gamble, but I'd take Love
ShESPN is now "The View" no f*ckin thanks
Yea exactly, this is getting out of hand! And you wont see any guys on the view...society has got turned upside down.
Love of course. He's a better thrower and a overall a better qb
Did Jordan Love take his team to the super Bowl?🤔!…
@@OnlyMorale not yet
@@ctg404 oh….cause Jalen Hurts already did but gotchu!..
@@OnlyMorale did Hurts take his team to the Super Bowl his first year starting? You should know football before you make a 🤡 comment
@@DarthVader-kt7of idk what you sayin!…
I’m talking in General, Hurts took his team to the super bowl!..it didn’t have to be his or Jordan Love’s first year!..One took their team to the super bowl, which tells me 1 is better!..that’s what I’M saying!..,
So idk what argument you’re trying to make?🤔!…
Sorry you are wrong every level…the Packer Offensive line is better…the Rb room is better…the Wr room is better…the TE room is a lot better…the play caller and designer of the offense not even close. That’s why the Packers are superbowl contenders and Philadelphia is not.
Fly eagles fly. Hurts is about to prove the haters wrong. He had a historically bad OC, historically bad DC, a historically bad defense, and still made the playoffs.
Love, no doubt about it. Hurts had one of the best o-lines in the NFL, AJ Brown, DeVonta Smith, Deandre Swift AND Darius Slay. Who did Jordan Love have? NOBODY. Jordan took a team of young, no name nobodies to the playoffs. AND made or further than Hurts, mind you. Jordan Love > Jalen Hurts
That draft is amazing I believe Herbert will turn out being the best that talent is something else if you actually watch him lol bottom 5 run game, defense and coach y’all fr need to watch what he does with Harbaugh. I’d currently go 1. Burrow 2. Herbert 3. Love 4. Hurts 5. Tua though.
Why Herbert and Love before hurts?🤔!…
Football is Greenbay, and Love is our QB1.! Time to shine not burn Packers! 🧀🏆🤞
AN LOVE DIVISION HARDER POINT CLOSED
A 2022 Hurts but a 2023 Hurts...he did get injured... I pick Jalen Hurts if he is healthy...But the way the season second half came down to it....I would picc Love.
NFC rankings right now is this 1 49ers 2 lions 3 packers 4 rams because they were more competitive than against the lions 5 buccaneers 6 cowboys 7 eagles
You know what keep dogging on the Packers. Their play will speak for itself. Jeff Hafley is no joke. The Packers defense will probably be a bit shakey at first since its a whole new scheme. But if you are comparing Love to Hurts its a one year vs experience deal if its just the QBs. Stats from last year goes to Love, did more with a team that doesnt even know its ceiling yet with very little experience goes to Love as well. Green Bay has more variable weapons than the Eagles so much so that it hampers a break out year for any single individual unless you are Josh Jacobs... experience on defense and offense goes to Hurts, proven stars goes to Hurts, playoff experience goes to Hurts, coordinators and staff go to Love. Overall the confidence from last year and learning from past mistakes will determine if Love progresses or slumps.
If it's only about the next season, then maybe Hurts because he has the better offensive supporting cast. I'm not saying Love's supporting cast is bad, but Hurts has a top O-line (even without Kelce), one of the best WR duos in the NFL, a very good and versatile TE and an absolute stud RB. That's all a QB can ask for, Hurts gets everything handed to him on a silver platter and I expect him to deliver.
But if I were building a new team from the ground up, I'd take Love because I think he's the more talented QB.
I can agree to that i do think there is a chance that with all the draft picks the packers have in the first 3 rounds it gives them a opportunity to jump the eagles if they hit on them
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The fact you would rather have a team that is bought and not built says a lot about ur football knowledge
Also the fact you said you would rather have the eagles roster and hurts then the packers yet they put out more offensive then them MAKE IT MAKE SENSE
Idk man this is very tough but I think I would have Love on this one . I think Hurts is a dog but Love is just ascending and will get better and better especially after that bad start he had last season.
🗣️ GOPACKGO 🔥🔥🔥
He in fact did not have more touchdowns than Jalen lmao. These people are bad at their jobs. Also for running qbs they always leave out the rushing stats 😂😂 AGENDA!
Love had 1 season plus he road the bench 5 years lol😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
Try 2 years buddy.
Also try rode the bench. Fool can't even spell. 🤭
More RC, please.
Def who are you going??? The eagles got COOKED by Baker 😂
They also cooked Baker in wk 3
soooo
This is the same team Philly had last year with a better rb when they had a good one . Same goes for packers . The truth is love is just better . Hurts had one good season and a bunch of avg before and since the Super Bowl run
I’m taking Love all day because I have draft fever right now so I’d rather not wait for every team to pick before me who gives me the best chance Love hands down 😂😂😂
Hurts has made the post season every year he's started. He has been a 2nd team all pro. He's won the NFC. He beat Allen, Tua, Dak, and Mahomes. People are too focused on the end of last season.
from a skill standpoint, its easily love imo. Hurts is good, but you need to build a perfect roster around him to make deep runs in the post season where as love was one drive away from knocking off the niners without a legit #1 wr, decent but no elite running backs, and a pretty good but not great defense. He's a legit top 7-9 qb whereas with hurts it feels like outside of saying "hes been to a superbowl", you cant find any other legit reason to why youd take him over love.
The disrespect of Jalen never ends. By week 10 he was the league MVP last season. He shpuld have been MVP 2 seasons ago. Love had a good stretch of games.
The fact that they are picking love because he hasn’t gone to the Super Bowl is a joke 😂