What are your thoughts on Gogeta so far? What questions do you have about his gameplay? We'll be breaking him down in-depth later this week once he releases and I would love to cover everything that you guys are curious about!
A pseudo question/comment: I really like the double air dash option out of an uptech that happens at 3:44 as it looks really cool and adds a layer of defense to him. My question to you is how strong of a wake-up option do you personally think it is? Because while I think it looks cool, midscreen, it looks virtually impossible to punish (I know it's a bit hard to judge without being able to play him yet)
This character is just so cool it really flips the game on its head and i just know just for how he looks and how his buttons work that its going to be a blast to play with arcsys got another 5 dollars from me xD
Singe the breakdown i wonder because as you May know in sparking you can dash cancel in a combo so can you do a bnb and before the heavy a dash cancel (cause of the double dash he has)?
Gogeta seems like my type of character. Nice pressure, ok mixups and a lot of tools for conditioning, much like Vegito. The DP and the Level system are just the perfect amount of spice on top of all that. Thanks for the analysis and the educational content in general, btw. I didn't expect to love this game as much as I do (despite all of its issues), and your channel has been a big part of that from the beginning.
I don’t get this mentality from people. Yea I get it the DLC characters are strong, but do y’all just not want more diverse characters? Like I don’t think the new characters would be that fun or interesting if they were all like the vanilla cast; 2-3 moves and maybe a gimmick and that’s it, that’s boring in my eyes
@@Step43099 maybe because pay to win broken characters are not "diversity" but just that: pay to win? And who wants to play a totally unbalanced fighting game? Uigoku almost makes me quit, pretty sure i'm gonna put my 700+ hours in the bin and stop playing dbz if another one as broken as UI is released. And gogeta looks exactly like that.
If the character is trash, you'd scream buff him right? I would think a DLC would actually should be worth the extra money. He definitely doesn't look as stupid as ui when he first came out either.
Think of the overhead kick like UI's Godly Strike (otherwise known as the plus driver) but faster (the Medium version is plus on block and 30 frames versus UI's 31, but the EX one is 24 frames). If you have a punish for UI's Godly Strike, it'll probably work for this move as well.
@@hyge-j8384 That is the most straightforward way to punish it, yes. Remember 2H is head invincible- anything airborne (minus a few select cases such as 6M, UI's j.214H, and I believe 17's grounded Top Gear) will get stuffed by 2H. Gogeta's axe doesn't look like an exception (God, I hope it isn't). UI's also gets stuffed if you didn't know.
I wonder if his 5l and 2l have medium blockstun. The animation makes it so that your opponent is still in blockstun even after gogeta has retracted his fist but I can't tell if that's just the animation or an actual frame data change. Either way they emphasise his speed really well and it looks awesome!
To me that level 7 boost + Instant Kill is just too much imo. It should either 1- be more difficult for him to get that or 2- make him suffer consequences after using it. Either make his meter build really bad, or make the IK 5 bars at least, or make his leveling up system have way more startup and recovery or simply make it so the character is left with 1 HP after it... It's too busted at its current state. Keep the IK because it's cool and unique to the character, but make it waaaay tougher for him to get to that point where he can land it. A16's IK is maaaad slow and super tough to hit AND he ends up with 1HP after it.
I mean but comparing 16 to this isn’t exactly equal because one is a suicide the other is a power up. That being said we won’t know how much a player will reasonably be able to power up in a real match until the characters out and more people experiment. After all the character has no full screen presence and will be pressured by good zoning as well basically not using any supers until you hit lvl7 so it’s a small trade off, but this is only speculation on my part
@@Step43099 first of all, the move Gogeta uses to level up is super fast and can be easily done in neutral behind assists (depending on the assist he can even level up twice, as shown with Piccolo's A assists). If you have Gogeta on point you can round start with 5H which is crazy good, call assists behind it for pressure and level up to lvl 2 or 3 or maybe even 4 within the first 15 secs of a match, that's bonkers. Also, it seems you can't punish that level up move from Gogeta on reaction full screen, he can also do it when getting SNK after a combo or even if you use his A assist. There are soooo many instances where he can level up quite comfortably. And meter build in DBFZ is easy, so having 3 bars is super common. As you saw in the match between Tene and Apologyman it feels WAAAAY too simple and easy to get access to the IK in my opinion. Sure, he loses his levels after using supers but building them up again seems pretty simple and it doesn't take mad skill to get to lvl 7. When I brought up A16 IK I was just making a comparison to how that one is incredibly hard to land and there are consequences to the character himself. Making it useless. Gogeta's IK is easy to set up and ridiculously easy to land given his tools and it has 0 consequences. Too OP. That's the difference.
His air Eye attack is going to condition people into blocking my vegito JS, also it looks like it's faster too :( side note - buff vegito 5S and 6S so they can be used in neutral and not just block strings
The only thing I think that needs a nerf would be his ease of leveling up. There needs to be a way for the opponent to reduce gogeta's level. Either a level for each super he or his team is hit by, a level for everyone the opponent gets him into a sliding or hard knockdown, have him lose a level or levels when he's snapped out or in, or he could go down a level from what he was trying to level up from when you punish him doing the lvl up move. These are the only things I could think of, but it does give some sort of idea of what I think needs to be changed
Well one thing to consider is that if he uses a super at any point, it resets the lvl counter to zero. Meaning they have to get it to lvl 7 without using a super during the entire build up process. I would imagine that once the other two characters on the gogeta's team are defeated, it would be significantly harder to achieve the level 7 as your only quick option to level up would be to vanish right after, and that will be pretty easy to punish because it will be so much more obvious than your typical vanish. Plus it will start costing him bar.
hey rath is it possible to have a 1 on 1 custom/personalized classes? yes I would pay you like a tutor in college. I wanna see how far my potential goes. I have never been goos with fighting games and I seem to be pretty good on my own for now but I need so much more.
What looks most amazing to me is his powered up level 3 At first I didnt think that much of it, but then I saw how easily Apologyman pulled it off in a real match. My current plan with this character is to use him with 2 characters that don't really need assists, and call his A assist frequently. Then once I get a hit I'm going to tag out after the smash and kill their character for only 3 bars. Also, one of the characters I plan to use him is Base Goku, and apparently Gogeta SS4 can DHC into spirit bomb with his lvl 1 into the corner. So basically my gameplan is just going to be win the point war and then kill my opponent immediately.
my question is whats the difference between level 7 and level 6? is level 6 almost as strong as level 7 like does level 6 do like 85% damage or is it just level seven is crazy and nothing else really matters that much? (doesnt matter that much = an extra 600 damage for all that leveling up)
Lvl 6 does good damage but lvl7 will always kill. For an already pretty hurt character it prolly won't matter but lvl 7 will always be a threat to consider for characters with full or near full hp. This makes it more threatening after you consider gogeta's good pressure.
The instant kill big bang is a different input from his regular big bang. 214LM is his regular big bang, while 214HS(the instant kill) can only be done while lvl 7. Its also a bit slower than his regular big bang too.
i've got a question.... where the fuck does the J in SSJ come from? i know the original name is Saiyajin but in here we call them Saiyans... so SS4 makes sense SSB makes sense SSGSS makes sense but why SSJ? why not just SS or SS2 or LSS for legendary...
Sadly even the main series became a Goku simulator where all the other characters can't do shit :/ anymore. At least in DBFZ they can all do insanely cool things and fight each other. Imagine my happiness when I performed Piccolo, Tien and Yamcha combos against the supreme saiyans and gods, something that will never happen in the actual story.
Fighterz currenly has: Normal Goku Punished Goku Yellow Goku Blue Goku ROSE Goku Rat Goku Goku Blanco Half Goku Half Goku again Half Goku again but monke
i think he's going to completely ruin the game for the casual playerbase. most casuals enjoy winning and want to win just as much as tournament players, and this character doesn't look like he needs much real practice to be played competently enough to be a serious nuisance for other casuals. his regular level 1 basically cannot miss, his level 3 basically cannot miss, his instant kill super will beat most buttons, so if they have a strategy to get it efficiently and effectively (which will definitely exist shortly after release), it will be abused. this (in my opinion) will ruin the casual playerbase's fun, especially if they don't want to play this character. i'm not good at this game but i play it a lot, and i'm not touching online anymore when he comes out. i can't do it, i'll break my stick in frustration. i know for sure i will, his 5LLL string looks like it hits crouching opponents, the 3rd hit looks like a 2H and will probably act similarly to one, is mad fast and people will mash it for sure. it also seems to be safe? i may be wrong on that. not to mention his 6H(?) string looks incredibly abusable, his combos look super easy and i'd bet money you can get mad damage on them with very little practice. not to mention his extreme skill ceiling, so people who stick with him will get incredibly good at midscreen loops, he has an unblockable/command grab (idk, the fake kamehameha thingy), etc. i dunno, i'm probably gonna quit the game after playing him for a bit in training mode. i'd bet money that he's the best second character or last character for a team in the game and every team we'll see will have UI goku and SSJ4 gogeta. the two most broken characters.
Idk if this will help or not but... almost all autocombos are safe. The 3rd hit of his autocombo (5LLL) does NOT hit crouching opponents although it is head invul, so it will anti-air you. His 6h rekka will not be broken as the low is pretty reactable and you could stand block him as he only has 2 lows. He isn't going to be as oppressive as you think because most people won't have good enough neutral to effectively play him. What we saw in this exhibition is not the norm. Its just some of the best players doing what they do best.
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What are your thoughts on Gogeta so far? What questions do you have about his gameplay? We'll be breaking him down in-depth later this week once he releases and I would love to cover everything that you guys are curious about!
Rath, you make amazing content. Easily the most informative and chill person i've watched. Thanks for all the good work
A pseudo question/comment: I really like the double air dash option out of an uptech that happens at 3:44 as it looks really cool and adds a layer of defense to him. My question to you is how strong of a wake-up option do you personally think it is? Because while I think it looks cool, midscreen, it looks virtually impossible to punish (I know it's a bit hard to judge without being able to play him yet)
This character is just so cool it really flips the game on its head and i just know just for how he looks and how his buttons work that its going to be a blast to play with arcsys got another 5 dollars from me xD
Singe the breakdown i wonder because as you May know in sparking you can dash cancel in a combo so can you do a bnb and before the heavy a dash cancel (cause of the double dash he has)?
they gonna tone him down in the future like UI Goku, but his double dash and dragon ball DP mechanic won't be get nerf, I think.
Rath don’t ever change the background music for these videos. It’s become therapeutic for me
glad i'm not the only one. love rath videos, like a pleasant pick me up during the rough weeks
Same
your voice soothes my 7 month old infant lmao it’s great thank you 🤣
I am happy to help!
@@RathFGC Baby whisper Rath?
@@2phonebabykeem913 Spitting powerful facts that they bless Babies’ naps.
Kids gonna grow up with them frame data knoledge, itll help him with multiplication when he gets to 1st grade
@@kool2skipper17 1st grade? I take it you dont live in America?
They way ssj4 flys in on a round start elbow clash, so beautiful these people love these characters and you can see it!
You and LK are my favorite DBFZ channels because yall keep the twitch acting in the burner. Love the laid back energy of your channel dude.
I'm just not very exciting :^)
I am extremely excited 2 DAYS LEFTTTT
This is the most first comment I have ever seen on my channel. The hype is too strong!
@@RathFGC I can’t believe I get the trophy of the first “first” comment this is truly an amazing day
@@twater2828 he's in the arcade on Xbox
@@deztacular what’s that I have an Xbox can you please explain
@@twater2828 I'm the one who hit upload and you still beat me to the first comment lmao
"if he did bandai would probably do something about it" LOOOOOOOOL
Seeing a new video from you is always a pleasure dude. I hope that maybe you can teach me how to play Strive when it comes out.
I'm looking forward to making dbfz and strive videos all year :)
3:44 Gogeta’s double air dash is ridiculous, man just escapes the chase without any effort
Gogeta seems like my type of character. Nice pressure, ok mixups and a lot of tools for conditioning, much like Vegito. The DP and the Level system are just the perfect amount of spice on top of all that.
Thanks for the analysis and the educational content in general, btw. I didn't expect to love this game as much as I do (despite all of its issues), and your channel has been a big part of that from the beginning.
The threat of gogeta level 7 really forces the game to be played a lot slower and on the gogeta player’s terms
Man, you deserve so much more recognition. Your videos are high quality 👍
Reject something something monke.
But seriously this character looks cracked
Thanks Rath, really enjoy your videos
I’ve never been more scared and excited in my life. His loops are already a problem and his DP is quite unique.
I am glad that they didn’t reused things from ssb gogeta or super attacks from goku ssj4/vegeta ssj4. He looks also really strong
Actually the third hit of the auto combo is from goku ssj4 and other things are of ssj4 too lol
The drop kick in his aerial lvl 1 I’m sure vegeta does as ss4
@@KyUuBixN4rut0 The kick is from Gogeta Ssj the other move the kinda slap is from goku ssj4.
@@felixgonzalez475 I know those smaller things were inevitable. People thought he would have ssj4 gokus and ssj4 vegetas signature moves
@@diemaschineistrash3791 Yeah xD
Love the content! Love the plugs for the original content creators as well!
These videos man...so relaxing...
Great analysis. Can't wait to play this one!
The background music is God Like!
Just seeing these now, and they are very helpful 🔥♥️♥️
"Gogeta's Pressure Looks AMAZING" sounds like watching him crap.
Honestly couldn't care less about Gogeta. Just here for the homie Rath. Can't wait to get my shit MIXED in a few days...
Hope school is going well, awesome vid!
This character looks very silly, very strong, and very, very dlc.
Remember these phrases “ pay to win “ and “ get good “ that’s all I’ve learned from dragon ball fighterz
I don’t get this mentality from people. Yea I get it the DLC characters are strong, but do y’all just not want more diverse characters? Like I don’t think the new characters would be that fun or interesting if they were all like the vanilla cast; 2-3 moves and maybe a gimmick and that’s it, that’s boring in my eyes
@@Step43099 maybe because pay to win broken characters are not "diversity" but just that: pay to win?
And who wants to play a totally unbalanced fighting game?
Uigoku almost makes me quit, pretty sure i'm gonna put my 700+ hours in the bin and stop playing dbz if another one as broken as UI is released.
And gogeta looks exactly like that.
If the character is trash, you'd scream buff him right? I would think a DLC would actually should be worth the extra money. He definitely doesn't look as stupid as ui when he first came out either.
@@deethegamer8699 you make a great point but look at the nerfs you just gotta wait and they will slowly balance characters
I like the new place rath
amazing analisis as always !!! make more please
I only have one question. Is the overhead kick refectable in blockstrings i mean. And is the ki blast superdashable?
Yes and yes
@@reynauldwhistles2338 thanks man. Appreciate it
Think of the overhead kick like UI's Godly Strike (otherwise known as the plus driver) but faster (the Medium version is plus on block and 30 frames versus UI's 31, but the EX one is 24 frames). If you have a punish for UI's Godly Strike, it'll probably work for this move as well.
@@theprofessor9789 would 2h work? Or it wont since ui’s flip is technically airborne
@@hyge-j8384 That is the most straightforward way to punish it, yes. Remember 2H is head invincible- anything airborne (minus a few select cases such as 6M, UI's j.214H, and I believe 17's grounded Top Gear) will get stuffed by 2H. Gogeta's axe doesn't look like an exception (God, I hope it isn't). UI's also gets stuffed if you didn't know.
me when the RathFGC
I wonder if his 5l and 2l have medium blockstun. The animation makes it so that your opponent is still in blockstun even after gogeta has retracted his fist but I can't tell if that's just the animation or an actual frame data change. Either way they emphasise his speed really well and it looks awesome!
8:36 don't those 236 L and M punches also go through projectiles too, though?
The instant kill is really bonker, but I mainly think it's because of the A assist.
Please cover the wanted matches happening tomorrow too😆
He looks insane!
When you're subbed to 4 dbfz channels with the same thumbnail and video titles for gogeta
Did he cancel the last level up into the level 3 super? I only saw the level 7 indication when the super came out. @6:15
Now getting in on someone to execute the pressure? That’s another story
He still has 2 airdashes, superdash, godly buttons so I think he’ll have a reasonably decent time getting in
@@Step43099 he also has a projectile immune lariat he’ll be fine
To me that level 7 boost + Instant Kill is just too much imo. It should either 1- be more difficult for him to get that or 2- make him suffer consequences after using it. Either make his meter build really bad, or make the IK 5 bars at least, or make his leveling up system have way more startup and recovery or simply make it so the character is left with 1 HP after it... It's too busted at its current state. Keep the IK because it's cool and unique to the character, but make it waaaay tougher for him to get to that point where he can land it. A16's IK is maaaad slow and super tough to hit AND he ends up with 1HP after it.
I mean but comparing 16 to this isn’t exactly equal because one is a suicide the other is a power up. That being said we won’t know how much a player will reasonably be able to power up in a real match until the characters out and more people experiment. After all the character has no full screen presence and will be pressured by good zoning as well basically not using any supers until you hit lvl7 so it’s a small trade off, but this is only speculation on my part
@@Step43099 Thats basically the thing yeah, he can't really use any supers or he'll have to build all those levels back up again.
Not to mention he reverts back to lvl 0 after using a super so a lvl 1 super will reset him.
@@Step43099 first of all, the move Gogeta uses to level up is super fast and can be easily done in neutral behind assists (depending on the assist he can even level up twice, as shown with Piccolo's A assists). If you have Gogeta on point you can round start with 5H which is crazy good, call assists behind it for pressure and level up to lvl 2 or 3 or maybe even 4 within the first 15 secs of a match, that's bonkers. Also, it seems you can't punish that level up move from Gogeta on reaction full screen, he can also do it when getting SNK after a combo or even if you use his A assist. There are soooo many instances where he can level up quite comfortably. And meter build in DBFZ is easy, so having 3 bars is super common. As you saw in the match between Tene and Apologyman it feels WAAAAY too simple and easy to get access to the IK in my opinion. Sure, he loses his levels after using supers but building them up again seems pretty simple and it doesn't take mad skill to get to lvl 7.
When I brought up A16 IK I was just making a comparison to how that one is incredibly hard to land and there are consequences to the character himself. Making it useless. Gogeta's IK is easy to set up and ridiculously easy to land given his tools and it has 0 consequences. Too OP. That's the difference.
@@Spawnamvs Read my previous comment.
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His air Eye attack is going to condition people into blocking my vegito JS, also it looks like it's faster too :(
side note - buff vegito 5S and 6S so they can be used in neutral and not just block strings
The only thing I think that needs a nerf would be his ease of leveling up. There needs to be a way for the opponent to reduce gogeta's level. Either a level for each super he or his team is hit by, a level for everyone the opponent gets him into a sliding or hard knockdown, have him lose a level or levels when he's snapped out or in, or he could go down a level from what he was trying to level up from when you punish him doing the lvl up move. These are the only things I could think of, but it does give some sort of idea of what I think needs to be changed
Well one thing to consider is that if he uses a super at any point, it resets the lvl counter to zero.
Meaning they have to get it to lvl 7 without using a super during the entire build up process. I would imagine that once the other two characters on the gogeta's team are defeated, it would be significantly harder to achieve the level 7 as your only quick option to level up would be to vanish right after, and that will be pretty easy to punish because it will be so much more obvious than your typical vanish. Plus it will start costing him bar.
He's in the arcade on Xbox!
People are going to legitimately panic in neutral against this character. That level up is such a threat
hey rath is it possible to have a 1 on 1 custom/personalized classes? yes I would pay you like a tutor in college. I wanna see how far my potential goes. I have never been goos with fighting games and I seem to be pretty good on my own for now but I need so much more.
What looks most amazing to me is his powered up level 3
At first I didnt think that much of it, but then I saw how easily Apologyman pulled it off in a real match.
My current plan with this character is to use him with 2 characters that don't really need assists, and call his A assist frequently. Then once I get a hit I'm going to tag out after the smash and kill their character for only 3 bars.
Also, one of the characters I plan to use him is Base Goku, and apparently Gogeta SS4 can DHC into spirit bomb with his lvl 1 into the corner.
So basically my gameplan is just going to be win the point war and then kill my opponent immediately.
How much chip damage do you think level 7 Level 3 Super will do?
“Doesn’t have any full screen options”
SS4 Gogeta; *stares blankly in level 1*
To be fair, he doesn't have much in meterless options. Especially considering his counter doesn't counter projectiles.
@@justsomedude7138 I thought he was talking about just in general, but meter less I agree.also my space bar is busted
Thank god he doesn't have a 2L low!
Is it a permanent level 7? Or does it reset when you super?
the levels reset
His Staggers remind me of Jiren ^_^.
Definitely
my question is whats the difference between level 7 and level 6? is level 6 almost as strong as level 7 like does level 6 do like 85% damage or is it just level seven is crazy and nothing else really matters that much? (doesnt matter that much = an extra 600 damage for all that leveling up)
That's something I want to test ASAP when he drops for sure! I was wondering the same thing :)
Lvl 6 does good damage but lvl7 will always kill. For an already pretty hurt character it prolly won't matter but lvl 7 will always be a threat to consider for characters with full or near full hp. This makes it more threatening after you consider gogeta's good pressure.
The instant kill big bang is a different input from his regular big bang. 214LM is his regular big bang, while 214HS(the instant kill) can only be done while lvl 7. Its also a bit slower than his regular big bang too.
@@LeoKingdom101 is it a half circle motion?
Will it kill you if you’re blocking
i've got a question.... where the fuck does the J in SSJ come from? i know the original name is Saiyajin but in here we call them Saiyans... so SS4 makes sense SSB makes sense SSGSS makes sense but why SSJ? why not just SS or SS2 or LSS for legendary...
Will the level 7 super kill you if you’re blocking
Umm...no
Nah I want that analysis.
Reject Godhood accept Monke
We want to hear your thoughts on the fact that everyone thinks Gogeta is broken.
I wonder what tier gogeta is going to be. probably s++++++ tier
Love watching the game, fucking despise playing its like a goku simulator.
Just like every DBZ game in existence. Crazy I know
Have u actually seen dbz?
Sadly even the main series became a Goku simulator where all the other characters can't do shit :/ anymore. At least in DBFZ they can all do insanely cool things and fight each other. Imagine my happiness when I performed Piccolo, Tien and Yamcha combos against the supreme saiyans and gods, something that will never happen in the actual story.
Fighterz currenly has:
Normal Goku
Punished Goku
Yellow Goku
Blue Goku
ROSE Goku
Rat Goku
Goku Blanco
Half Goku
Half Goku again
Half Goku again but monke
i think he's going to completely ruin the game for the casual playerbase. most casuals enjoy winning and want to win just as much as tournament players, and this character doesn't look like he needs much real practice to be played competently enough to be a serious nuisance for other casuals. his regular level 1 basically cannot miss, his level 3 basically cannot miss, his instant kill super will beat most buttons, so if they have a strategy to get it efficiently and effectively (which will definitely exist shortly after release), it will be abused. this (in my opinion) will ruin the casual playerbase's fun, especially if they don't want to play this character. i'm not good at this game but i play it a lot, and i'm not touching online anymore when he comes out. i can't do it, i'll break my stick in frustration. i know for sure i will, his 5LLL string looks like it hits crouching opponents, the 3rd hit looks like a 2H and will probably act similarly to one, is mad fast and people will mash it for sure. it also seems to be safe? i may be wrong on that. not to mention his 6H(?) string looks incredibly abusable, his combos look super easy and i'd bet money you can get mad damage on them with very little practice. not to mention his extreme skill ceiling, so people who stick with him will get incredibly good at midscreen loops, he has an unblockable/command grab (idk, the fake kamehameha thingy), etc. i dunno, i'm probably gonna quit the game after playing him for a bit in training mode. i'd bet money that he's the best second character or last character for a team in the game and every team we'll see will have UI goku and SSJ4 gogeta. the two most broken characters.
Idk if this will help or not but... almost all autocombos are safe. The 3rd hit of his autocombo (5LLL) does NOT hit crouching opponents although it is head invul, so it will anti-air you. His 6h rekka will not be broken as the low is pretty reactable and you could stand block him as he only has 2 lows. He isn't going to be as oppressive as you think because most people won't have good enough neutral to effectively play him. What we saw in this exhibition is not the norm. Its just some of the best players doing what they do best.
Another broken character. Yay!
Can't wait to give free point to all nobrainer with uigoku and Gogeta.
Ooor... Uninstal this pays to win shitfest.