The potting shed scene was brutal. Even though I went to niters, carried drugs, took drugs. Never done anything that would warrant a stint n after seeing that, thought fuck that.
Watched it in Australia as an expat lad, the fact there was no musical score sank in days later. This was the darkest movie I'd seen at 18 years of age and I'd been dreaming of the Mother country. I could almost smell the coal burning...
One of my claims to fame is when I met Ray Winstone. Many years ago me and my best mate has a job playing background music in a restaurant in Manchester. One night Ray Winstone came in for a meal. I remember him listening to us playing intently and applauding us even though it was just really background music.. when he was leaving the restaurant he walked upto me as I was playing guitar and put 20quid in my shirt pocket and thanked us and I nodded back to him and then he left. He was a real gentleman
Scum is one of the best films I ever seen, its so gritty, if you like that, you'll love made in britain too. I really love those gritty 70's 80's borstal, prison type things from the UK.
I was about 10 years old and lived in South London then,one of the things that stands out to me about Scum now is a lot of the attitudes,accent body language etc is so authentic it really takes me back..I had a number of mates that had older brothers in borstal, its quite poignant looking back one of my mates Darren's older brother was a single mum with terrible nerves and Darren and his mum used to joke affectionately about how clumsy the brother/son was because he was always having "accidents" and getting injuries in borstal falling over things etc..but even at that age me and my mate Darren would look at each other knowing full well these weren't accidents,they were pretty lies to protect his mum that she knew deep down weren't true
Ray has that rare magic quality that all actors want, a magnetic presence on camera. But his magnetism has another quality as well, menace... A dark sense of a predator on the prowl, pent up fury barely contained. You feel that all his characters have a real history and that they carry heavy mental burdens. There are many people out there wanting, craving, to be professional actors, but all the drama school training in the world won't give you a magnetic presence if it doesn't already exist. Richard Burton had it too.
I remember going to the cinema in 1979 to see 'Scum' when it first came out - and being totally blown away. It particularly resonated with me because one of my best mates ['Andy'] got sent to borstal for breaking into a chemists. [in fact, my twin brother and I were supposed to meet with him and our other mates - but couldn't make it! We didn't know they were planning to break into a chemists - but it was an incredibly lucky escape!] 'Andy' reminded me a lot of a young Ray Winstone - he was a very strong, powerful kid, as he worked in a butchers and developed his physique humping all the heavy carcasses about. He could really handle himself, and you didn't mess with him. Despite that, he was a sort of 'gentle giant' and would always shy away from trouble if possible. But I remember him telling me when I went to see him after he was sentenced, that he just wanted to do 'his time' quietly and get on with the rest of his life. The problem was that being such a strong, powerful kid, the other inmates targeted him and gave him a lot of hassle. So as with Winstone's character in the film, 'Andy' went after the 'Big Daddy', grabbed him and literally picked him up, held him against the wall and told him to back off! He never had any more trouble after that.
Im an American and this is 1 of my favorite movies…… they things wer in the borstools wer very different yet very similar to wat we have in the U.S. of course laws r supposed to change but wen I was In Juvenile detention centers in Philly/Camden as a kid it was still the same amount of abuse…… by inmates and staff
Disagree with Winstone's conclusion. He's right that the younger cast adds more authenticity to the film's premise, and the set used in the 1977 version is a lot bleaker and cramped, giving a more claustrophobic mise-en-scene, but I think the overall casting and cinematography in the 1979 film is superior.
No way would you want to end up in borstal after watching scum , john judd was terrifying , i was 18 at the time and remember thinking thank god i wasnt one of the unlucky ones
While the film i think is better, i totally get what he means. Just seen the BBC version relatively recently, and everyone does look so much younger in it, so it really adds to it in many ways. That been said the final film is superior.
Nah, the film version is better largely because of the casting. The BBC version was indeed ''grittier'' but that doesn't make it better, imo. Bad language was censored in the original and the violence was diluted. The prison guards portrayed their roles better in the film version too.
This film was true as It was wen i was in borstel in the 70s every thing about this film happened from the open minnet to the end army style they wear brutal the fights food and the screws they had you marching all day long yes you was on report for farting I saw beatings assault death today is a holiday camp
Davis had it coming to him in the greenhouse. ..when those 3 fine young fellows merely wanted a 5 minute smoke break to be greeted by davis with " what you want?"... The bloody cheek...no wonder prisoners behave the way they do when its full of wind up merchants like young davis..the hoodlum
Yes 1977 it's a bit shorter than the film version it was filmed for the BBC but was banned because it upset too many people. Few changes to some of the characters ( different actors) less violence but still good. I saw both the other week on the same day. Still prefer the film ( i believe that was 1979) Carlin is also gay in the 1977 BBC version and has a ' missus' lol.
Ray Winstone. Along with people like Bernard Cribbins - The Real Actual National Treasures. Thing is, why haven't they been knighted? Don't tell me people abroad don't go to see a film when they see Mr.Winstone's name on the poster. Of course they do. If that is not drumming up business for Britannia Inc. Then I don't know what is. So, there you go then. For services to the British Film Industry. Thank You.
I remember seeing a thing about how the film was made on here. How the riot scene they really got in to it and the crew etc tried get out lol it mentioned how some the guys in film were real offenders. Arh forget the name of it the actors were just talking about how scum was made it was mentle. Anyone know the video send me. Cheers
Beeing in borstol in them days an until it started Y.O.C was a crazzzy few years for myself an others,did two back to back,the worst one i went was Portland an yeh the film is realistic as!
Only in Britain could a film be banned for showing the truth, and yet the children (people who are not allowed to vote, buy alcohol, but can be forced to fight and die in war, or have the shit kicked out of them in Borstals and Detention centres.) can continue to be abused, as long as no one finds out.
I was lucky enough not to do Borstal . would have hated doing Life . that said I know for a fact this was understated certainly not exaggerated . many Scum in prisons have never been convicted of any crime THEY WEAR UNIFORMS . see Allan Marshall Scottish prisoner 2015 .may he rest in peace ..
@@neilreed6675 well main reason being it would have been highly out of tune with the real borstal, three murdered inmates at the hands of the screws wouldn't happen, a savage beating was easy to hide. The warden is saying as tragic as the suicides were it doesn't warrant the revolt that took place, Carling an co were beaten not dying 👍
The BBC version is better and at least the language is mild in comparison to the 1979 version. Also, the acting is better and more realistic. I really felt sorry for the way young men were treated in the borstal and it is not nice, no wonder they get more angrier at the way they are treated.
The problem was the system wasn't interested in rehabilitation for young prisoners. On paper it did, but really these places were just punishment farms, where the system employed violent and sadistic men to exercise their own demons by making life hell for the inmates.
I’m 60 yrs old - it’s bleakness still haunts me after all these years. Utterly brilliant……….
The potting shed scene was brutal. Even though I went to niters, carried drugs, took drugs. Never done anything that would warrant a stint n after seeing that, thought fuck that.
Watched it in Australia as an expat lad, the fact there was no musical score sank in days later. This was the darkest movie I'd seen at 18 years of age and I'd been dreaming of the Mother country. I could almost smell the coal burning...
Yes of course and the shed scene was terrible too but it was part of the film too.
One of my claims to fame is when I met Ray Winstone. Many years ago me and my best mate has a job playing background music in a restaurant in Manchester. One night Ray Winstone came in for a meal. I remember him listening to us playing intently and applauding us even though it was just really background music.. when he was leaving the restaurant he walked upto me as I was playing guitar and put 20quid in my shirt pocket and thanked us and I nodded back to him and then he left. He was a real gentleman
he should have said ‘everyones appy’ in a Harry Enfield style for good measure
Scum is one of the best films I ever seen, its so gritty, if you like that, you'll love made in britain too.
I really love those gritty 70's 80's borstal, prison type things from the UK.
Same, I think about my grandfather a lot when I watch them because he was in Borstals and jails and died very young back then
You love a good boy-rape scene I bet.
Seen “Starred Up”? Very similar. Gritty British prison movie, really good
I watched it when I was 12 and it instantly made prison one of my worst fears. All twelve year olds from all backgrounds should watch this film.
Borstal not prison
Its a boys borstal not a prison mush
@@deerheart87I mean technically borstal is prison for under 21 year olds
The potting shed scene was absolutely brutal in every way
This. Was very disturbing.
@@davy_K when the prison guards turned a blind eye I was fuming that stuff must have gone on, horrible
The actor was devastating I really felt his depression shame and trauma he was incredible
@@deerheart87 yeah superb acting so very real
@@billybigtime2808 I agree it makes me feel dreadful every time I watch it
I was about 10 years old and lived in South London then,one of the things that stands out to me about Scum now is a lot of the attitudes,accent body language etc is so authentic it really takes me back..I had a number of mates that had older brothers in borstal, its quite poignant looking back one of my mates Darren's older brother was a single mum with terrible nerves and Darren and his mum used to joke affectionately about how clumsy the brother/son was because he was always having "accidents" and getting injuries in borstal falling over things etc..but even at that age me and my mate Darren would look at each other knowing full well these weren't accidents,they were pretty lies to protect his mum that she knew deep down weren't true
Classic movie, big Rays finest hour
Youre jokin ! Ray is a fine actor , hes made many more brilliant films.
@@Lord_Hillcrest He is a good actor playing cockney wide boys but that's it. That aside he's clueless.
@@jeffallinson8089 Hes no micheal caine i'll grant you but a fine actor
@@Lord_Hillcrest He can only do one carachter, that's his limit.
@@jeffallinson8089 yeah like Roger Moore.
Ray Winstone is one of my favourite Actors! 😎👍
Ray is one of my favorite actors. He was perfect in "Edge of Darkness."
Again - the BBC version is a million times better than that atrocious film
@@SamLowryDZ-015 Good. Has nothing to do with Ray.
@@SamLowryDZ-015 Good. Has nothing to do with Ray.
Dad made me watch it when I was 9... fair to say I didn't sleep for quite some time
Your dad is a nutter.
Ray has that rare magic quality that all actors want, a magnetic presence on camera. But his magnetism has another quality as well, menace...
A dark sense of a predator on the prowl, pent up fury barely contained. You feel that all his characters have a real history and that they carry heavy mental burdens.
There are many people out there wanting, craving, to be professional actors, but all the drama school training in the world won't give you a magnetic presence if it doesn't already exist.
Richard Burton had it too.
Ray was brilliant in his early roles - Scum, The Factory, Robin of Sherwood. Authentic and full of energy.
I’m the Daddy now!!!!
I remember going to the cinema in 1979 to see 'Scum' when it first came out - and being totally blown away. It particularly resonated with me because one of my best mates ['Andy'] got sent to borstal for breaking into a chemists. [in fact, my twin brother and I were supposed to meet with him and our other mates - but couldn't make it! We didn't know they were planning to break into a chemists - but it was an incredibly lucky escape!]
'Andy' reminded me a lot of a young Ray Winstone - he was a very strong, powerful kid, as he worked in a butchers and developed his physique humping all the heavy carcasses about. He could really handle himself, and you didn't mess with him. Despite that, he was a sort of 'gentle giant' and would always shy away from trouble if possible.
But I remember him telling me when I went to see him after he was sentenced, that he just wanted to do 'his time' quietly and get on with the rest of his life. The problem was that being such a strong, powerful kid, the other inmates targeted him and gave him a lot of hassle.
So as with Winstone's character in the film, 'Andy' went after the 'Big Daddy', grabbed him and literally picked him up, held him against the wall and told him to back off! He never had any more trouble after that.
Doing chemist's got hefty time...my mate got 8 yrs.
I liked Ray when he was in. MINDER
I get what Ray said totally both versions were excellent in their own space in time
Pleased to see this clip, I have watched both versions and I have wondered which version Ray thought was better, now I know
The original version feels more disturbing because you feel you're in the presence of violent children, rather than violent young men.
Not seen the original nor did I know there was one!
@jeffallinson8089 the film is better in every way
Any with Ray in it is a bonus 😊😊😊
4737 Carlin Sir.
Name ‘n nummmbaaaa
Ray Winstone is a Cool Actor! 😎👍
I'm guessing I've seen the second version! I had no idea two existed until now!
Same.
ray winstone is a good actor scum is a film you dont forget
more than good hes 1 of englands best actors
Itz real still goin on today under a diferent cloak
He's a good actor scum? How is he scum? He's amazing.
I like how Ray says you need your Mary Whitehouses to keep things in order. Boundaries are important.
“Where’s your tool”
“What f*****g tool”
“This f*****g tool”
Superb, totally awesome to young boys and grown up boys too 😎
Im an American and this is 1 of my favorite movies…… they things wer in the borstools wer very different yet very similar to wat we have in the U.S. of course laws r supposed to change but wen I was In Juvenile detention centers in Philly/Camden as a kid it was still the same amount of abuse…… by inmates and staff
Scum summed up the late 70's and early 80's for me...brutal and unbelievably true.
Disagree with Winstone's conclusion. He's right that the younger cast adds more authenticity to the film's premise, and the set used in the 1977 version is a lot bleaker and cramped, giving a more claustrophobic mise-en-scene, but I think the overall casting and cinematography in the 1979 film is superior.
Mad seeing Frank play archer though 🤣
Better acting too.
@@craiglamb9511 he wasnt a patch on mick ford
@@craiglamb9511 PARTY!!
i still remember the screw from 1976 in borstal called mr stricker his real name right bully and it was just like this film
He reminds me of Terry Venables, RIP el Tel.
As a young boy visited 2 of my friends in borstal in Northern Ireland it was 60s terrible experience.
Name and number, Carlin!
A close second to Kes
"We'll have your stinking hooligan guts for garters.....RIGHT?"
Pick it up
No dolly mixtures in ere!
No way would you want to end up in borstal after watching scum , john judd was terrifying , i was 18 at the time and remember thinking thank god i wasnt one of the unlucky ones
Get him issued with the boots...........about turn, MOVE IT!
'Where's ya tool!'
Pongo banks is still the Daddy
That name has followed me ever since I made that film
It’s a badge of honour
Allan Clark miss him every day ❤
Anyone know what the guard is saying to Archer as he's dragging him to his cell?
While the film i think is better, i totally get what he means. Just seen the BBC version relatively recently, and everyone does look so much younger in it, so it really adds to it in many ways. That been said the final film is superior.
Ray Winstone,can do no wrong.
"Get it down ya sharpish"
Vegetarians i shit em
Vegetarians? Ive shit em..
Anyone know where you can find the original BBC drama
Scum was a classic film ,it is just a great portrayal
It made us kids behave ourselves
Crackin film still got the dvd 👍✋️
Nah, the film version is better largely because of the casting. The BBC version was indeed ''grittier'' but that doesn't make it better, imo. Bad language was censored in the original and the violence was diluted. The prison guards portrayed their roles better in the film version too.
John Doe I find the BBC version to be very dated. Julian Firth’s portrayal of Davis is far superior too imo.
Do you know where I can watch the bbc version
This film was true as It was wen i was in borstel in the 70s every thing about this film happened from the open minnet to the end army style they wear brutal the fights food and the screws they had you marching all day long yes you was on report for farting I saw beatings assault death today is a holiday camp
Scum is one of those films that young lads still watch with horror today and count their lucky starts they got rid of these places.
P. Banks: "I'm the Daddy!....And don't you ever forget it Right? I said RIGHT!!!"
You forgot the slap in between mate.
@barnaby hoofer Yes very good! Ha ha!
Where's ya tool?!
What tool ?
THIS facken tewl
Davis had it coming to him in the greenhouse. ..when those 3 fine young fellows merely wanted a 5 minute smoke break to be greeted by davis with " what you want?"...
The bloody cheek...no wonder prisoners behave the way they do when its full of wind up merchants like young davis..the hoodlum
Had no idea there was a series of Scum! No idea till this day.
They all appeared in quadrophenia after that
Looking good Dad
Didn't realise there was a earlier version?
Yes 1977 it's a bit shorter than the film version it was filmed for the BBC but was banned because it upset too many people. Few changes to some of the characters ( different actors) less violence but still good. I saw both the other week on the same day. Still prefer the film ( i believe that was 1979) Carlin is also gay in the 1977 BBC version and has a ' missus' lol.
Yeah in that version Carlin has a missus inside
he had a missus in the tv version....
The first version has been removed from utube i think i cannot find it. 🇬🇧
Changing Frank Gallagher from Shameless to whoever the much better guy is was an inspired recasting ;D
I was in Portland Borstal in 1979, and would say that it was a fair representation of that Borstal.....
Maybe you should ask yer Mrs Ray !
Sh** witness, lad! I'm 'aving you!
Now days the BBC version be edited to bits. Bought the scum dvd cheap got all the extras etc. Ray was great in the minder
Spot on 70s film ,
Both versions were great 👍 would never make anything like this today, too controversial
I didn't know there was an original version of this film. Need to go track it down...
Ray Winstone. Along with people like Bernard Cribbins - The Real Actual National Treasures. Thing is, why haven't they been knighted? Don't tell me people abroad don't go to see a film when they see Mr.Winstone's name on the poster. Of course they do. If that is not drumming up business for Britannia Inc. Then I don't know what is. So, there you go then. For services to the British Film Industry.
Thank You.
Met him ray what a fukin gentleman in a pub nottinghill top fella deffo respect to him 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️
I slipped sir
Richard Wright dont come that with me who do you think you are talking to
@@bensmithkent22 Calin, I want ya to name Calin
I’ll give you fackin slipped
"I slipped sir"... right between Davis two peaches, deep into that soft pink rose!
love ray top top geezer proper mans man 👊👊👊
When Carling (Ray) became the Daddy in the movie was classic
I remember seeing a thing about how the film was made on here. How the riot scene they really got in to it and the crew etc tried get out lol it mentioned how some the guys in film were real offenders. Arh forget the name of it the actors were just talking about how scum was made it was mentle. Anyone know the video send me. Cheers
Where is the 1977 version?
Beeing in borstol in them days an until it started Y.O.C was a crazzzy few years for myself an others,did two back to back,the worst one i went was Portland an yeh the film is realistic as!
Wha happy to carling at the end please tell me
Can the BBC version be seen anywhere or is it on the red list.
it's on eBay...
I find it hard to believe that he's never been in Eastenders, surely he should do that one day
He hasn't aged at all.
Lmao!
Is there a way to see the original TV version?
It's included on one version of the remastered dvd
I want no wot you mean big man love you ❤❤❤
"Where's your tool"?
Only in Britain could a film be banned for showing the truth, and yet the children (people who are not allowed to vote, buy alcohol, but can be forced to fight and die in war, or have the shit kicked out of them in Borstals and Detention centres.) can continue to be abused, as long as no one finds out.
It's not only in Britain at all! Extremely ignorant thing to say
He forgot Porridge was on the BBC at the same time.
Is the film That Summer a continuum adaptation of Scum ?..
Is that a serious question ? They could not have been any more contrasting characters lol
He's still the daddy you will get your perks
Get ya toooooooooolz aaarrrtttttttt kanttttt
I was lucky enough not to do Borstal . would have hated doing Life . that said I know for a fact this was understated certainly not exaggerated . many Scum in prisons have never been convicted of any crime THEY WEAR UNIFORMS . see Allan Marshall Scottish prisoner 2015 .may he rest in peace ..
Alan Clarke's magnum opus.
Great film plus ray was brilliant 👌 wheres ya tool ..what cucking tool class
00:54 - What's he on about? He was 20 in 1977, not 17,18 or19.
Please explain the ending a riot then 3 main characters dragged bleeding but alive to cells then the warden talking of there deaths am confused
The three main characters didn't die, the wardens talking about Davis and the black lad toynes 👍
What brings you to that conclusion I see 3 people beat up badly dragged to cells were they were left for dead
@@neilreed6675 well main reason being it would have been highly out of tune with the real borstal, three murdered inmates at the hands of the screws wouldn't happen, a savage beating was easy to hide. The warden is saying as tragic as the suicides were it doesn't warrant the revolt that took place, Carling an co were beaten not dying 👍
He's only likes that one cos he had a Mrs!!!!
Ray is right about the BBC version being better.
I didn't think so. I thought it was just ' ok '
I thought the film was harder hitting.
blimey Ray the diet needs to start today mate
“I’m the daddy now! “
No kicking in the goolies
So that's why a lot of the lads looks really old
Classic lines
vegetarians, I shit em
and Mecca, Mecca, we’ll have no more talk of Mecca
The BBC version is better and at least the language is mild in comparison to the 1979 version. Also, the acting is better and more realistic. I really felt sorry for the way young men were treated in the borstal and it is not nice, no wonder they get more angrier at the way they are treated.
Yes, but was it nice what they did in the first place to get put in there?
The problem was the system wasn't interested in rehabilitation for young prisoners. On paper it did, but really these places were just punishment farms, where the system employed violent and sadistic men to exercise their own demons by making life hell for the inmates.
Wheres your tool
What fackin' tool?!
@@klistarf This fackin' tool!