Divers React to Open Water vs Caverns vs Caves
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.พ. 2025
- We have been asked countless times about the difference between a cavern and a cave when it comes to diving.
Bryan Stafford from @LakeHickoryScuba answered this question in a video posted two years ago. A few of you watched this video and asked us to clarify a few definitions Bryan shared in the video.
Original Video: • OpenWater Vs Cavern Vs...
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Thanks again Woody and Gus for your reaction. You guys make amazing content for all types of divers, even a salty old pro like myself. There will always be grey areas in Scuba Diving, where standards or industry rules tend to clash with reality. Hope you guys have an amazing Christmas. Take care and hope to get to dive with you guys in the future.
Seems like mostly semantics to me. Non diver. cave/cavern. Guidelines have to be identified for sure but the rest is semantics.
@@AgentP82 it kinda is. It’s weird standards and definitions and them discussing it.
You should take some classes! The more you learn the more you understand why they’re even having this discussion.
If you’re a non-diver then listening to them go back and forth is kinda like watching a bard argue with the DM about why he should be able to bang a dragon in D&D. There’s intricate rules and lots of little points they’re both arguing for. But in both scenarios, there’s a point of safety and XP that needs to be made for the arguments
@@souswes that's one hell of an analogy.
@@AgentP82 . That's exactly what I tried to tell that officer- "Red, Green, Yellow- it's all just colors baby... semantics." Just finished paying my fine last week- apparently he didn't get it.
Not a diver, I work in the stage theater industry. One of the disciplines I have is in flys (basically raising and lowering of set pieces rigged from the grid/stage ceiling), where safety is paramount.
When teaching a new crew member I would of course go through all the basics techniques/safety, "tie off like this," "release like that," "don't do this," "don't do that."
There are times when a crew member would comment things like, "but I've seen you do it this way," or "you told me not to do that."
The analogy I like to use (I think this works in any skill/disapline) is, it's like teaching a child how to cross the road.... Look for a pelican crossing, Stop/look/listen hold your parent/guardians hand....etc. You're taught these rules to maximize the safety for yourself and others around as someone uninitiated. But as you grow in experience you'll learn the nuances, judging a speed of in coming traffic, knowing how fast you can move. You start to understand what works for you and what is safe for you. In high pressure situations logic isn't always the go too response, people will react instinctively so I try to drill these basics in, so if such situations occur you will react in the safest way.
Interesting point Woody raised about turning swimthroughs into caves. A few months ago I went into a 50ft cruiser 'swimthrough'. This was in a fresh water quarry in the UK so the visibility was low to begin with. As soon as I penetrated the cruiser the visibility was absolutely gone and i was essentially diving through dark milky water. I soon bumped into a wall and realised I had no idea where the exit was. I panicked for a few moments and silted the thing out.
Funnily enough I started to think of your videos and the advice you have given in the past about situations like this and I stopped, addressed my buoyancy and calmed myself down. unable to see anything i managed to trace the wall with my hands until i came to a port hole and managed to use that to orientate myself as to where I knew the exit was.
I came out to find my buddy (my dad) super angry at me for not checking with him before entering.
Point is, even something you think is super easy, in the wrong circumstances can become really sketchy.
Also, thanks for being the little divers on my shoulder telling me to calm down.
We've since swam through again in better conditions.
I made a mistake, and I have no intention of doing it again. Over confidence is an accident waiting to happen.
Thanks for the videos!
Reminds me of that mythbusters episode about to survive a sinking car. A woman and here kid ended up in the water sinking in their car, and she remembered that episode and it actually saved her life. There might actually end up being divers (or even just swimmers!) that in the future that will owe their lives to Woody and Gus
Gus this is for you❤ : CAVERN comes from the latin word CAVUS that means hole/ excavation/ concave, CAVE comes from the word COVA that is actually the feminine of COVUS so technically there is no difference. That would explain the difficulty of trying to separate both. Now, interestingly enough there is an indoeuropean word : keuǝ ( root of the greek word for hole and top -cima en español) that may be the origin of the modern word CAVE, as we know it today, that literally means “a space that inflates inside of another space” or “a hole inside of an excavation/hole” or “cage/excavation inside of a hole/excavation”
So you are probably right, it has nothing to little to do with light, and more to do with the configuration and depth of this hole that is already inside another hole.
But i don’t know 🤷🏻♀️ i am just throwing out some words here😂
Love your channel ❤ you guys keep me sane and entertained. Thanks 🐙
Definitely agree with Woody's take here. The guidelines should lean toward safety. An overhead environment is stressful enough for fresh divers. I remember my first wreck dives. When you're in a spot where there's no natural light visible and their light fails, you can bet someone will panic, not see light and get lost deeper into the cave.
That said, most agencies include *both* distance from surface and natural light in their Cavern definitions.
There’s a place in Australia called fish rock cave. It’s 410ft (125meters) long. At one point in the middle you can’t see light behind or ahead of you. You go with a guide, dive on nitrox and only need to be open water certified to dive it. There’s a bubble cavern near one end. There’s a few videos online of this dive site. I’d love for you guys to review it and give your opinion on it.
@S M is it a swim through, cavern or cave in your opinion?
@S M should only be dived by experienced divers. Advanced certified minimum. Most deaths here occur because the diver panicked or had a medical issue. By two different definitions, it’s a cavern and a cave. My opinion is its fun. I dive in overhead environments all the time.
@S M overhead environment doesn’t always mean a cave. Wharfs, pontoons and Boatsheds are overhead environments too. Caves here still require cave certification. Fish rock cave is a great way to see if you can handle a small dark place, with a guide. Plenty of divers do this dive. Deaths are very rare.
Walking along the street is probably more dangerous 😆
@S M the definitions presented in the video,it’s a cave or cavern(?),depending on which definition you use.
@@TH-cam_user3333 Advanced means nothing, it merely sounds "advanced" but it is not.
Plenty of OW divers who are better then AOW, it all comes down to experience.
You can go for AOW right after OW, you can also go for AOW after a year of diving with OW.
Who do you think has more experience? The freshly certified OW whom has gone for AOW right after, or the OW who has been diving for a year?
The basics are what keeps you alive and what is the most important, adding more stuff onto it before getting the hang of them basically means your increasing the risk of harming yourself, and being able to do AOW so soon is something I do not agree with.
I'm excited to see
"Woody's Penetration Compilation"
A montage of fast cuts of Woody entering tight restrictions backed by some select 70s soundtracks!
🤣😉
17:50 Woody, Gus, I was at Blue Grotto last year and the EXACT scenario of someone wedging, then freaking out, the silting out the entire dive happened. Another guys light died and was also panicked. You guys are spot on! Once silted, that rope is invisible, and there is no light penetration at 96' because of the ledge!!! Love your channel by the way!
Gus at 35:47 to 36:33 and then to go onto say 38:12. It sounds a somewhat like a little elitest tirade saying "oh no I'm just saying he should get cave certified before he dares go into these grey borderline areas, in order to make a video to help divers recognize these transitions"'. Maybe even borderline arrogance to say that he shouldn't go into this area only those with certifications should go. He was only highlighting the areas in question, but Gus saw it as braggadocios instead of informative or instructive.
I'm all about rules and safety. I am not a diver anymore and never was a cave diver. What I took away from his video was that there are these transitions that need to be understood by a diver of any level but especially newer divers. Not having an understanding or being able to recognize the changes in environment can have potentially fatal results.
I thought the examples that were visual were somewhat helpful but would probably help more if I saw these areas in person. Gus just sounded a little more egotistical than concerned. I really don't see a "normal" (scary throwing that word around these days) individual who is interested or actively studying this subject to take away that it is ok to now break these rules just because the guy doing the video was in these areas and shouldn't have been. I really wasn't even thinking about who the divers were in the video, more so I was looking at the environment, and the descriptions of those areas where he was "bragging" about going meant nothing to me because I have never been there.
So, this was not an attack on Gus what so ever, I was just pointing out two different perspectives on the same video. I really enjoy y'all's videos, just keeping it real!
I love Bryan. He is super smart and knows his stuff. I learned a lot watching his videos over the past few years, almost as much as watching you guys....
I'm glad he's back!
After the surreal incident a year ago he disappeared for a long while.
@@janainarudberg I wondered about the break. I thought he was just busy
@S M www.taylorsvilletimes.com/2020/12/31/man-arrested-for-impersonating-officer/
And then he disappeared for a bit.
@S M For me, I feel like whatever legal ramifications there are should be sufficient "punishment". I don't need to add to it.
I watch for the excellent Scuba content, and I can honestly say I've learned something from his channel (specifically a video where he talked about spotting stress in a diver, something which I think is insufficiently covered in e.g. the Rescue course.)
Everyone should do what their conscience bids them, of course.
@S M Don't forget that an arrest is just the officers acting on the allegations of 1 party, it is not a finding of guilt after due process of law. An arrest is not a conviction, and doesn't prove anything by itself. Anyone can be arrested on anything by someone giving a false report to officers. I don't know if this was false or not, but in America we have a presumption of innocence until proven guilty in a court of law.
Just try to accept it Gus, I know it's not easy to face the fact that your close friend isn't necessarily human, but we all face new challenges all the time. 👽🐟🐙
❤️
To Gus's point at the 8:44 mark where he mentions simply backing out of the hole a few feet and no longer being in the cave... Practically speaking, I think most all of us can agree with his point here, however, for definition sake, imagine the person simply had eyes closed at first, was spun around several times and then began searching for the exit. At that point, with no reference or light, it would be cave conditions, correct? FYI, I'm only open water certified on open circuits and absolutely love this channel. I live in Freeport, FL and appreciate all your hard work gentlemen!
I'd love to see a collaboration with Dive Talk and Lake Hickory Scuba. Brian has probably the most underrated SCUBA channel on TH-cam. He deserves way more subscribers.
my opinion is that it doesn't really matter whether something is technically open water, a cavern, or a cave; the delineation should be made based on what skills a diver needs to dive there safely. what we're actually talking about is not whether something is a cavern or a cave but what skills, learned in what certification, are needed to dive safely, so if part of a cavern needs the skills learned in a cave diving class to be safe, it should be considered a cave and require cave certification.
Wow. The way Brian said "Lake Hickory" made me think, "Wait, is this boah local!?" and his scuba and marina is only an hour and a half from me lol. Nice!
I’m a long term subscriber of Brian’s. I believe he was actually the first diving channel I ever watched back in 2017 when i was getting my open water certification. I have learned a TON from him, especially low vis navigation and search and recovery. Super cool guy. Thank you Woody and Gus for another outstanding video. Love you guys!
Thanks Woody and Gus for your videos, they have been very inspiring to me. Started my journey November last year.
Today I am on my way to cave country for my intro to cave. January I should be full cave certified.
Hope we one day dive together.
I love the way you guys assess the risk of a variety of different environments individually while still advising caution. A lot of people go “if there’s any overhead at all, stay away” and it’s like… oops, better go around the anchor line - don’t want an overhead. Instead you guys go “stay out of caves without cave training” but also recognize the variety of different cavern, swim-through, etc environments as opportunities for individual risk-assessment.
There's always going to be a point in ANY cave where you are "just a few feet away" from it being a cavern, though.
Someone has to do some art of Woody as an octopus and Gus giving a "really , I don't wanna talk about this again" look just chilling in a cave 🤣
I think Bryan is talking about the conditions rather than technicalities, thinking that at that point it's a possible cave condition could prevent people that aren't cave certified from venturing in and a tragedy occurring. They can be cavern certified and still get screwed by that.
Absolutely true. Nitpicking what he said is really weird
Brian from Lake Hickory is one of the most educational guys out there. He is well spoken clear and easy to understand, his knowledge is of that of some of the best divers in the industry and his videos are 100% on point all the time and easy to follow. Now as for Brian himself, one of the nicest guys in the industry. Always willng to help anyone better their knowledge. He always responds to everyone's questions and followers up with them to make sure they have a clear understanding. Brian has help me in the past when educating for my Tec certifications. Not once did he try and sell me anything or ask for a dime. Thank you Brian!
I kind of wish Woody and Gus would have more educational videos like Brian. Instead of just reviewing and adding opinions vs fact on many of their videos. Maybe the guys can find some time to add to the channel.
I really enjoy Brian’s Lake Hickory Scuba diving channel, it was the first scuba related channel I followed a few years back.
Gus, what is the watch you are wearing?
According to the signs, yes I agree with you, they are a good indication of when you are entering a cave area, but those signs are only found in heavily “touristy” caves. I did my cave diving certification in the “Devil’s Bridge” in Pontarlier, and there wasn’t any sign, just like there aren’t any signs in most caves around the world, as open water scuba divers, or anyone except cave divers for that matter, wouldn’t even think about getting inside it.
As a non diver, I appreciated his presentation, in giving general definitions and examples. It seemed to be geared for a novice to diving.
the humor at the end woody lmaooo yall kill me i love this channel so much
i love that you guys can argue and even fight a lil and still put that aside and understand that you both are working towards the same thing just honestly a true friendship love you guys
Been watching brains channel for years. Surprised y’all just found him! He is super friendly and also responsive to his subscribers. I asked why he did SSI vs other agencies he’s qualified in. Most recently, I just did SDI solo diver, so asked about the standards set with SSI for solo diving as he was in SM involving redundant gas. Gave me a great and thorough explanation.
Love that dude and what he does. You’re all legends
I love how nearly every video Woody will always find a way to bring up "what he is". LOL This Octopus arch is just too funny. I love your guys' content! You make me want to start learning SCUBA.
I did my PADI OWC at Blue Grotto and Devil's Den in '06. Both amazing places. Instructor and assistant made sure we didn't go to far.
Regarding the definitions of cave, cavern, etc...
You also have to always take into account that someone might not dive in a well established diving site. He might just have stumbled over something and not know that 20 feet further around the corner ambient light will be coming back. By all definitions, he is now entering a cave and should turn back the way he came from.
Even in a well established diving site... he might not know and should turn back in any case of doubt.
Thanks for a very interesting video… I, a non diver, am really enjoying m learning about diving…and cave diving in particular. I find myself watching videos over again, and learning. something new.
My thinking Gus is about to go off about the none cave diver going in to the entrance (even tho blocked off) and him just being like “yea it’s kinda a cave I guess but I’m not sure if I agree with that he needs to go in farther”
I love you guys keep the great work
Love love love devil's den, did our first night dives there after hours, they cut the lights and my entire (collage) class was able to go through the place in the Dark.
It was really disorienting to me. I loved it.
One day I'll do cave diving for sure.
Thank you so much for reacting to this video. Gus, I think you're correct in your view. I'm logic driven too but I think with him stretching the idea of overhead, he is essentially saying don't do this. So hopefully some people will see that video and think, yeah I'm not going to go poking around as this dude has said it's dangerous.
That's funny the way you presented your thumbnail made me think it was one of his videos One of the best instructors I know
Heed these words, I’ll be diving as soon as I can. I love everything about scuba (eh, not so much cave diving especially, sorry 😉) and I could binge hundreds of hours of discussions regarding all things diving, and I think there’s a reason for that. I am a massive thalassophobiac (thalassophobia being the fear of large, open bodies of water or the sea/ocean, their inhabitants etc.), yet even picturing myself diving thrills me to my core. I’m seriously considering starting diving in the next few years, especially thanks to you guys. I may be great at it and enjoy myself, or I might be absolutely terrible. There’s only one way to find out… Who knows? I could love it so much it just might turn into something wonderful. But I’ve got to at least try. Maybe all my fears about the vast emptiness of the ocean, the darkness, drowning, or (somehow) sinking… maybe it’ll all go away. But I’m excited for what’s ahead of me!
Edit: Typo
Don't know if you've gotten started or whatever... BUT I certainly suspect that you'll find out you've been WAY over-thinking the ocean or any large body of water. Sure, they're dangerous, but there's a pace at which you can push your limits with water and swimming... to snorkeling and fins... get those mask skills as long as we're at it on "easy mode"... to basic recreational and picking up the frog kicking, conserving movement for efficiency, and trim and buoyancy... and so forth. Get to each stage and spend a while to enjoy it... build on what you can do right there with just that gear... and then press on when you're comfortable.
It doesn't get any more difficult to float or swim just because the water is salty or deeper than a tub or pool... The currents and tidal motions are a bit alarming at first, but once you know how to handle them, it's no big deal... The sooner you can get a mask on your face and flood and then clear it, the sooner that won't freak you out... The sooner you can spit out the snorkel and get deep, the sooner you learn about equalizing and 3 full dimensions of movement...
Once you're just comfortable being able to float in the water and go where you want to go, the sooner the fear of the stuff or even the biggest open spaces in it will basically diminish to concerns... Yeah, nobody likes the idea of getting caught in a rip-current and dragged out away from the beach... BUT you just swim along the shoreline (parallel... and it does NOT matter which way) to get out of the current, and then swim back to the beach. You can do it ALL at YOUR pace... There's no hurry... Don't exhaust yourself. It's just water, not a race... You can mix swimming and floating on your back (to regain wind and rest) to keep going for DAYS... Not the optimal plan, but it CAN be done. There really is NOTHING to particularly be afraid about. ;o)
I am more with Woody on this. The fact that the Grim Reaper signs get moved indicates that there is always room for interpretation. The definitions laid out by Bryan seem like good general recommendations. If a pair of divers find themselves in an environment with no signs or guidelines, the recommendations seem reasonable to me and err on the side of caution. Shout out to #Lakehickoryscuba.
Fantastic video guys! I dove Taj Mahal in Riviera Maya last September. Two of the best dives ever. Now I understand why it is a cavern and not a cave. Although there are entrances to caves with the signs,
I was very happy that one of my dive masters for my OW class taught us how to frog kick from some of our first pool sessions. It helps even just to help relieve fatigue from flutter kicking all the time by switching up the motions.
We love y’all from Biloxi MS. Mom and dad both rescue certified just not me. Totally respect y’all
Oh man, I was open water certified in Blue Grotto like 20 years ago. There were so many people in there you couldn't see anything. This video brought back a lot of memories....I didn't panic but it was scary.
You guys are forgetting one thing, when I go into my basement to watch DIVE TALK on the big screen, that's in a cave.
Merry Christmas.
You guys have an awesome channel! I grew up in FL and have been to devils den! It's a lot scarier in person. Especially with the catfish circling the platform. I'd like to see more videos from FL maybe around the high springs area
The next time an open water dive instructor says they can safely cave dive, make them prove it by giving them the cave diving test.
I got certified at devil's den, I swam through all the caverns on my certification dive. I loved it. Noone else followed to say the least. I enjoyed it, looking forward for more of it down the road.
I agree with Woody, definition of a cave for diving purposes should be dependent on conditions. If a cavern has zero or very limited visibility it should be considered a cave, line mandatory, backup lights, etc... A cavern under deep murky water isn't the same as a cavern on clear water, then there's also silt outs, a tight cavern that has thick silt build up should be considered a cave.
Thanks!
Great video as always!
I am always here! Sometimes I don't have the time to stop and comment but I follow you guys from Day One! Proud to see more and more people coming!
I really enjoyed this video, how do y'all keep up with so much information you have to do on the dives. There seems like a million things to do just for one dive. Y'all are awesome!
I never plan on cave diving ever, but I just live vicariously though this channel 😂
bro gus be interrupting woody all the time, let the man finish his points brother.
Love your channel and videos!!! I have drift dove the Santa Fe several times when it gets clear-ish :)! The viz seems to be decent a few times a year during the dry season ! Keep up the great work!
I've been to Ginnie springs just for the cavern diving, I'm not cave certified but I remember one day I was there I couldn't equalize pressure due to a sinus infection so me and my stepfather ended up renting a canoe and drifted out onto the Santa Fe River and boy can you tell when that fresh clear spring water mixes with that root juice water from the Santa Fe.... There is absolutely no freaking way I would dive in that River because number one there's obviously no visibility and number two the current is ripping buddy! Even with both of us in a canoe, we had to work pretty hard to fight that current to get upstream from the spring fed point to up River. Drift diving the Santa Fe River? No thank you! 🤣. Recent subscriber here and I'm just checking out the back log of videos you guys have published and put on here. I absolutely love this channel! I wish I knew people like you too when I was a little younger that way I could have been inspired more so to further myself in the ranks of recreational diving. Unfortunately I've sent sold all my dive gear and haven't dove in 8 years because of being the sole provider from my five children and homemaker wife, going back to college to get my electrical engineering degree, and loads of overtime obligations with my career. Watching these videos really digs up my soul for needing to get back into the water! Thank you Woody and thank you Gus for being such genuine and amazing people. I really mean that with as much conviction from me as one could have.
Also I must add that in the ballroom at Ginnie springs and your down at the bottom where the grate is at, and you turn off your dive light, it does not seem like you can see any light coming in through the cavern entrance at first... Which by definition probably means you can't see light. Although if you let your eyes adjust to the darkness, pretty soon you'll be able to see the blue glow from the cavern entrance and maybe that's only due to diving there at a certain time of the day but every time I've been there and I've been there four times, I did just that because I thought it was so cool. Every time I did that my eyes were able to adjust shortly after cutting off the light and could see light penetrating in. I'm assuming since you have to let your eyes adjust it doesn't count?
Lol Woody is so patient with Gus’ ego. 🤣
I don’t know if it’s a need for Woody’s approval or what, but logical thinking would not lead you to “nit-pick” or split hairs to try so hard to cut this guy down.
When I did my checkout at Blue grotto it was Saturday and there were at least 20 divers in the water not including my group of 10. The vis was 15-20 ft you could see the surface but it was really blury at the 25 ft platform. I could totally see why they made the limit 60' considering how bad the vis was with full light.
i discovered this channel like at 3.am this morning and now im hooked but there isnt to many dive training here in michigan that i know of
@S M didnt i say that i know of
@S M oh ok my fault
I think Woody's signing is perfectly understandable!
Gus what you said at 36mins in, that question i was thinking the whole video!!
Yeah Please make a video on cave diving hand communication, I would like to know if you have different signals to the UK, If you could also add in alternatives that other countries or organisations use and the history behind the signals if there is any It would make a interesting video for sure.
The ending LOL🤣Don't ever change to fit in someone else's box, we're not meant to fit in.
I always love catching dive talk vids in the morning :)
Great reaction to a great overview of Open vs cavern vs cave. I dove Taj Mahal which is grey as far as Cavern vs Cave, although there are Grim Reaper signs off the two cavern routes. Besides the commentary, I especially liked the chart of the distance and feet to distinguish a cavern vs a cave. Scuba is the best sport in the world! Therefore, never dive beyond your training and equipment. Always be conservative cause 1) you can always dive another day and 2) if you get into trouble, you are endangering others with, potentially, reckless behavior
Go to the light Carol Ann. Remember that in the movie polterguist😭 ? Yes that would be me stationed at the light. I have no problem where the natural light comes in..
Woody's humor is comic relief at it's finest. But I can see the logic of it all and it's why I stay near the edge of my in-laws 10ft pool Watching the kids, I'm good.
I panick because my 8 year old has my 3 year old jumping off the diving board. Everyone's cool calm and collected. I'm the only one saying, aren't you kids tired of swimming? A resounding noooo.
All the grandkids can swim very very good but you can't take your eyes off them.
So my 8 year old has caught me watching this show called
_Dive Talk_ 👀. I appreciate the no cursing fellows thank you very much.
Now she's talking to her mom and dad about learning how to scuba dive. She says to her mom, my daughter, I'm gonna show pop pop I can Be a cave diver.
Her mom says when you get done soccer we can look into it.
No no no! I quit smoking 32 years ago.
No. My wife took them into the Delaware River they had floaties on but I had to get in that River along with my wife because I was scared to death and all the other kids was in there. Everyone laughing splashing and having a good time. I'm lifting my kids out of the River after 5 minutes I had enough. Play basketball and Soccer land sports.😅😅😅😅😅😅
My 8 year old granddaughter scares me. She has no fear.
Sorry for the runoff but I love the show because it's a clean show but I wouldn't be able to sleep knowing my granddaughter is now at the YMCA taking beginner scuba lessons. My wife she's no help! I fear she learns this I would have to learn too. My last thing to say and again I'm sorry for the runoff but I really think my 8 year old is from another world, alien maybe?
None of us would ever think about scuba diveing.
See what you started Gus and Woody😅
I keep checking, I’m subscribed! Since my first video …hooked!!
Love your content. As a non-diver, you both are very engaging.
Love this video. Very educational and fun to hear the different opinions on this topic.
New subscriber here! Been binging your videos for a few hours now! Love it, keep up the good work!
Cool again guys! Well done. And that is another nice channel to follow!!
It is because of comments like these that there are professionals who make the rules and definicións so that no one gets carried away by anyone and ends up losing their life. By the way this was the best answer ever at 11:40 I really loved it, when he told him straight up 😁
I did my open water certification dive in Devil’s Den back in 1998. I would really like to get back into diving. Need to take the course again. Lots of equipment upgrades since then.
Excellent video again guys. Woody, I still believe that you are part fish. Gus, I absolutely love your bike. It's a beauty.
Gus is trying to change definitions. How dare you!!!! 😂😂
😅😅😅😅Woody you are killing Gus with your penatrate and the signs for it. I love how y'all can be so professional and hilariously funny at the same time. Everyone just learn ASL, might be faster and a lot less intimidating for learning how to penatrate a cave🤷♀️😅
Great show guys! Guss, thanks for being less critical it's a big improvement! Peace ☮ ॐ
That "distance is about from me to you...."o my Good God all this time ( 18 months),i thought Gus and Woody were in thier own "homes",miles??,blocks?,away from each other i did NOT think they wete in the same "studio,room",genuinly ,even thier lighting IS very different.WOWW.
Lol, not sure how I missed this episode, but Woody at the end...😂😂. Did u guys ever make a vid on communication under water?
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@@DIVETALK niiiice. Question, how do we submit something for u guys to react to? I was just watching some Monty Halls vid and some of his team dove a cave and they had horrible trim on their tanks. Scraped the top and made them have difficulty fitting some places. It was about diving Japan's "Atlantis." 2nd vid I've watched in the series, and it's the guys doing either side mount or its their bail out, but from watching you guys, it seems pretty bad to me considering they are described as being professional tech divers
There is a spring in Florida that we used to use for training. It had platforms and a large cavern area, and a large cave that you could swim around in a loop. It went to about 100 feet deep. It was a common practice for the more experienced divers to swim around the back of the cavern, into the cave. Is it a swim through? Is it a cave? Dunno. But it was dangerous as hell teaching OW there because the cavern was so massive. I had a student panic and bolt form 15 feet. Spit the regulator, held her breath, and kicked to the surface. Scared hell out of me, but she was ok. I quit teaching not long after that.
Woody: YOU, ME, (hand gesture), and you'd be like OK! Let's go!
Gus: (long suffering friendship sounds)
Enjoyed this episode, love the energy. btw penetration gotta be woody’s favorite word lmao.
Agreed! Love the penetration hand signal🤣🤣🤣
The need a compilation of all the times he’s said it ha ha ha
There is a spot in Devil's Den that looks like it leads into a cave. They posted one of those "do not enter/death" signs.
I’m here early! Yay! Nearly 10:30pm on the dot here, and glad of it. Of course more great content from you guys. Cheers Gus and Woody!
Small world! I'm from hickory nc and I'm going home for new years and headed to Lake hickory scuba when I get there 😅
I think you're definitely on to something here, but could have phrased things better. You both said a bunch of times that "you just need to go a few feet and you can see light". That's technically true of the beginning of any cave lol. I think the idea you guys were getting at is that you would just have to go a few feet to see light AND there's little to no danger of you getting disoriented and getting lost in the no-light zone. At the beginning of a typical cave if you get disoriented you could end up going deeper into the cave and away from the light zone while that's not true in these cases.
So Gus, I have an explanation that may help define things, I’m not a cave diver so I could be way off. If you look at caves and cave environments as separate terms. “Cave” describes a place that is cave 24/7/365. Where a “Cave Environment” describes an environment that meets the conditions to be a cave temporarily.
This is great content! 🦅🇺🇸🏁😎
Thanks for sharing 🖖
I did the full cave dive "loop" at Blue Grotto about 5 years ago as part of my AOW certification. I hadn't heard that they changed the policy (added grim reaper signs & removed guidelines leading from the cavern area). Did something happen or are they proactively tightening up safety regulations?
Just genuinely curious. If you have an opening on the surface that's like 10 ft high by 10ft wide by 20ft deep that would still be a cave right? Whether you go in a foot or 20 feet to the back. Idk just my opinion. You guys always get me thinking haha.
i love LakeHickoryScubas' voice, that southern accent!!
These guys together are just golden!😂👌
Regardless of the definition of when a cavern becomes a cave, I'd want to limit newbie divers to an overall distance to the surface that equals their depth certification. If you have a gas problem, an emergency exit is harder if your distance to the surface is not all vertical.
🐙 Of course Woody can stretch the truth… octopuses can stretch out their entire body after all. 🐙
Hang on. So what I’m gathering from this, is there’s a place where I can have a turtle as a temporary dive partner.
Gus and Woody would trust each other with their lives, but Woody just loves to get under Gus' skin. Like true brothers 😂
watch gus everytime he calls ginnie springs a cave 😂
Another Great Episode! Keep it up :)
I lol so loud at the ending part where Woody doing the sign language of penetration to Gus and i cannot. Imagine that underwater if Woody do that. LOLOL!
Fyi i do basic sign language and the penetration...you can google it but close enough of what Woody did. LOL!!!
I caught that. Ill say this and speak no more about it. Just want to point out nobody is surreptitiously looking at anyone.. Don't let bs spoil this friendship. We are who we are. Practice walking in each others fins. I Love you guys. Be kind to each other. X
There are cave signs in DD...but the actual caves are blocked by gates/fences.
Woody…. Ehren and I drift dive the Sante Fe a lot, and we have never left with less than $1000.00 in finds. A lot of it is gold jewelry, watches, designer glasses, and unopened bottles of liquor. It’s a fun dive!!!! Gus, don’t knock it till you try it sir. 👌🏻
You should take Woody!!!
@@DIVETALK we would love that! To hear him “whoooohoooo” under water after finding a gold watch would be the cats meow.
I speak Auslan. I can have entire conversations, unhindered, underwater.
it's funny how Gus is not logical and still believe he is.
And nope your point doesn't stand.
For exemple it is forbidden to exceed 30mph in a defined zone, that is the rule that is the definition, yet you can demonstarte on camera that the authorities have placed a technical tolerance and that u can drive at 31 mph without gerttint a ticket. Yet by definition at 31 your out of the definition your tehnicaly an out-law (not really sure as i ain't english native here but i mean you cross the line between people who strictly respect the law and the other ones). This is just factual. You mix up definitions and conventions and tolerance.
No one will stop you to call a bowling ball a sphere yet we won't introduce in the definition of "sphere" : "in fact if you zoom it with a microscope and the curve is no more a perfect circle and it got little bumps, it's ok it's still a sphere". So new definition a sphere is now an approximative circle but in 3D. Nope it's not how it works...
Also to conclude let me add caves and caverns aren't diving specific words. And as we lived into them for centuries in the early stage of the humanity the definition was probably more based on the light than on a distance, cause the real question wasn't how long will i walk but do i need a stick on fire to go there.