honestly, her seeing one of their cars on the live tv broadcast is probably a big enough win for them at this point, theyre so far behind you only see a 5 second clip of a williams car every race and its usually when one of the front runners are overtaking it lmao
That crossed my mind too. Like d@mn....if this IS true, and you risked "everything" just to be mediocre (no offense to their engineers.....truly) Id have to fire people just for that alone. If we cheat...we will win or else.....we arent cheating.
After the shenanigans in Canada post race, after Germany, After Leclerc v Max in Austria, then Silverstone, ferrari resurgence and shock win in singapore there is sooo much juicy content this season. I think heads are exploding at the netflix offices.
I dont really care about Renault as a team, but i dont want their drivers to suffer. Both Nico and Daniel are top lads, and i hope this is all on the team and not them.
Mr. 3PAC I agree it’s unfair for them to be stuck which Renault who probably forced them into the brake bias thing as they can’t really refuse to do it as they would be probably fired
@@robertbaillie7770 They could refuse. Not only would their contacts almost certainly protect them from being fired for refusing to cheat, they would also have whistle blower protection if the sport has any integrity. Ricciardo and Hulkenburg also have the money to take Renault to court for wrongful termination.
ShashKetchum not really cus McLaren moves to merc power units now racing point will be stuck with Honda as the engine limit for a manufacturer is 3 so with merc and Ferrari full all racing point have is Honda left
Richard Hills Mercedes asked for permission to supply 4 teams including itself and the FIA approved it so actually racing point are still with Mercedes
Renault always seems to be caught up in controversy! Last time (crash gate) they left the sport. And now with mclaren leaving them...this just doesn't look good.
Yeah I feel like this is just adds on to renaults existing issues. Around the summer break there were questions about their future as it is. This and McLaren leaving will just add to it
I don’t really care for Renault as an organization, but Nico and Daniel are both good drivers who deserve better Edit: I’m not saying they are innocent or blameless, I simply think they deserve a better organization that wouldn’t ask them to cheat.
Hard for the drivers to have not known about this. They'd know whether they've been told not to manually shift brake bias or not. Can't see this being a team only repremand.
Jorge - possible, but assuming much of the evidence is from on board footage, the drivers must have been doing something difference for other teams to notice. That would be conscious actions of the driver.
The most likely thing is that Racing Point have developped such a system and are suing Renault to get an indirect confirmation from the FIA wether this system is legal or not
But if You remember he's not confident with his late brake moves at Renault like he was at redbull... Surely until the summer break... What if it is a result of automated system putting him off...?
@@amalkallarackal9293 you have a point - Hulk also seems to be slower and less stable. But that would be some plot twist - after removing their illegal component they suddenly would finish ahead of midfield in every race :D
Under scrutiny for what? Because it's supposed that no one can do a better job than Mercedes? Unfortunately Ferrari has just a little bit if experience in making high performance engines.
sidenote...what ever happened to Ant's analysis of Ferrari's dual clutch system where one of the clutches became a thumb button? Weren't dual clutches banned?
Didn’t Rosberg give Dan advice on his podcast on changing brake bias going into corners and overtaking which he bleeped out? 🤔 🤔 59:28 - 1:04:02 is very interesting on that podcast
@@Anvil35 He said to crank up the engine braking to the rear to help stop front inside locking on heavy turn in braking . And thats driver controlled so completely legal anyway .
@@defmud80 Other teams would notice it much earlier in the season, especially ones involved in that fierce midfield battle. Or they added it only after summer break.
@@dalekenning1363 thats a goot cach - i havent thought about it this way - although i think the issue most likely will be with engines after last update not whole seasson , thus really affecting only ferrari - haas and alfa havent scored that much in last races, and if they updated engines later than ferrari then even better for them
I can't see how this would work as the bias changes depending upon the grip available, so what is good for 'say' turn 1 on new tyres wouldn't necessarily work when the tyres are even 20% used and definately wouldn't if the wear rate of the tyres is different front to back and/or side to side... And that's not allowing for the track grip changing or the tyres wearing in an unusual fashion.
Force india tactically waited towards end of the season to protest because they can get that place .If they protested early maybe Renault can still beat them in the constructed championship so a clever move from them.
It’s possible the drivers could be unaware. If the drivers are using the bias switch thinking it is performing the way they should, but the car is auto switching in the software to optimize the drivers inputs.
I'd be surprised if Renault are found guilty of anything. Joe Bauer and his crew check these cars all the time. The ECU is spec so you can't go crazy with that. They'd know i there was something illegal. At worst it is a repeat of the mass dampener thing from 15 years ago. They'd tell the team to not use it anymore. Maybe Racing Point is just fishing for secrets.
If this is true, and I really hope it's not, then why did they bother? Renault have had a terrible season so it would seem that if they did use this cheat, it didn't do them any good. Also, if you read the official document from the FIA on this, it only says the protest was admissible because it was in accordance with Regulation 13, which details how and when protests have to be made, nothing has been said to suggest that the FIA accepted it because there was evidence that Renault have definitely cheated. For all we know, the Racing Point document could be full of things that they think happened, which could turn out to be completely false. Either way, I would be so disappointed in both drivers if this illegal system is in use, Danial especially is a brilliant driver, I can't see why he would go along with this, knowing how wrong it is.
By that definition they'd have to be pedal cars.... "Unaided" means areas of skill. Traction control, ABS etc replace the skill of the driver. Power steering, breaks, and the engine itself, don't. They still rely on the driver's skill to control and operate them. Power steering makes driving physically easier for the driver, but it doesn't decide when to steer or how much.
Here is the Video, Racing Point used and the Steward used it aswell for their verdict: mega.nz/#!CpoAjY4B!R1_ay0xMQORCZPaYXEQbr_I0c1qMb1XldYD17iNm85Q Look at the %-Display on the Top Left. It changes without touching any button or knob
Another interesting thing I found out during this situation... not only does the other team have to have some sort of evidence for FIA to take action but they also have to be *very* specific with their accusation. If FIA happens to find something that was not in the complaint there will be no punishment as they were not looking for what they found, sort of how it works with the police and search warrants.
In a way I kind of hope they are. Teams need to be trying to bend the rules as much as possible. It’s where all the best innovation comes from. They should still be disqualified (if they are cheating) but I still hope there’s teams trying absolutely everything they can
I don't think there's much room left within the regulations these days. No more "water cooled brakes" or "tanks within tanks" or "fuel with lead buckshot ". There's no fun left for the Gordon Murray's of today.
It must be some sort of GPS based brake bias system then? I guess it would have to be. But for sure, the real interest for me is how Racing Point found out about it. I suddenly have an urge to watch some Renault onboards. I would expect the Racing Point info to be pretty concrete to have taken it this far.
I'm a Danni Ric fan and I'm gutted. I can't help but feel that RP wouldn't have bought this to the FIA if they didn't have evidence. And if it's true I can't imagine Dan didn't know. Further more it hasn't helped them a great deal. It's horrible. I hate cheats.
Wait, Force India, Hülkenbergs former employer, got information that Renault, Hülkenbergs current employer and where he's fired from this year? Could Nico be involved somehow?
McLaren's $100 million fine was largely Max Mosley on an ego trip. $10 million for the offence and the other $90 million was out of spite because he didn't like Ron Dennis
Obviously there's cockpit footage that can show how the driver uses the brake bias through the races from past till now...so I'll be looking for signs of which side seems more confident going into any forthcoming disputes. in which case, yeah, it won't workout well for the drivers, I suopose.
I always wondered why there were knobs on the wheels. Wouldn't those be hard to operate since you'd need a finger and a thumb to do it? Why not just have 4 preset buttons and then just have 4 places around the track that you'd change it. Then just have a "adjust up" and "adjust down" buttons. So the regulations say that the computers can't change the bias at all, and the drivers must drive the car completely by themselves (meaning they must make all the setting changes themselves), but would it be illegal for the computer to set say some "stops" on a knob dependent on track position so the driver could just throw the knob over until it stopped and it'd be at the right location? Technically the driver would still be making the changes. Heck, he could even adjust the stops manually. Is the computer adjusting ANYTHING based on track position illegal? Say, could the computer adjust a pseudo stop on the throttle pedal around certain turns that are known to be slippery to prevent wheelspin? That's not "technically" the computer driving the car, it's just semi-restricting what the driver can do. It could even be like a detent so that the driver could push past it if they wanted to. Like a "suggested" throttle position.
How could Racing Point know this? How could Ricciardo and Hulkenburg knowingly do this? It is a bit suspect to me, I think Racing Point may suffer because of this but it remains to be seen.
@@Penguin_of_Death true but it shouldn't affect the penalty. If they gained an advantage throughout the whole season, they should not score points for any of those races.
I doubt this system existed on the car all season. Look at the braking issues Ricciardo had early in the year with locking the fronts. Seems like this auto-bias system may have been made to fix the dodgy early brakes.
How could Racing Point even know that... except if someone blew the whistle. My guess is that someone (or Hulk himself) was pissed that he lost his seat, and leaked the info. Racing Point would be in a lot of trouble for going on such a stretch with false allegations, so in a way, it has to be true. That, or the source has tricked them into protesting, just to screw Racing Point.
To my understanding, surely looking at their on boards to see if the drivers are adjusting their brake bias on their wheel, if it turns out that the brake bias is being automatically adjusted and the drivers are adjusting on their wheels then the drivers can't be proved to be involved, thus the teams fault. But if the drivers aren't adjusting their wheels and the automatic system is proved to exist then the drivers are in on it
i don't actually see how it could work? brake bias isn't just changed corner to corner its also changed depending on the life and condition of the tyres and it also needs to be changed when performing an overtake on a corner, so a pre race setup might not even be beneficial during the race as tyres get older and would need to be set by the driver who knows how the tyres are performing, if it is a pre race set brake bias system then it could be a hindrance to the performance of the car and unless it somehow knows what the tyres will be like and when an overtake will be performed before the race (thats impossible) then it really wouldn't work?
I hope they don't get disqualified from the championship. Since it seems unlikely they'd be accused of something which they didn't do (a lot of false evidence).
This could have serious implications for Renault as a team in the sport, especially with them being suspended from Suzuka Loving the content man awesome 👏🏻
uh tcs was banned way before 2000 cuz in the 94 season senna had trouble getting to grips with the willams and the active suspension was also banned for the 94 season
Realisticly, if the allegations are true, the team will probably be hit with similar consequences as BAR Honda back in 2005, when it was discovered after the San Marino GP that Jenson Buttons car was underweight when drained of fuel, meaning they were using fuel as balast to hit the required minumum weight. The initial idea was to ban them completely from the championship that year, but they eventually settled on disqualifying the team and drivers from the San Marino GP, and ban them from the next two races... Renault would probably fit somewhere in this range, but in the more severe end, as it would be a case of the drivers absolutely knowing about the systems, where Button and Sato might not have known about the missing 5kg of weight...
it's not impossible that if Renault discovered & used this auto brake bias system other teams aren't using similar systems. it might reach the point where other teams performance dramatically drops off as they hastily remove their own devices & cover their tracks. it wouldn't do much for the sport if it turned out manufacturers champions Mercedes were also using this system. FIA might end up having to put a specifically worded rule change to prevent teams using these kinds of system but has to turn a blind eye if top teams like Mercedes or Ferrari are doing this too. otherwise the whole 2019 season would become a farce. but if one team exploits a gap in the regs to gain an advantage u can bet other teams do the same.
Anyone else noticed how Renault have CONSTANTLY made tweaks to their livery throughout the season? Especially on the rear wing! I don't see what was wrong with the livery set-up at the rear but clearly they do...I wouldn't bother changing it tbh
If this is true then surely Ricciardo and Hulk are for the high jump too? This isn't one of those times where the drivers can plausibly claim not to have known about cheating, they're either manually changing the brake balance or they aren't and if they aren't then they must be aware that there's cheating afoot.
Here's an idea: I think the system is illegal but should be allowed. Drivers should be driving first and foremost when approaching a corner at speed, not fiddling with their steering wheel, and there is a difference between an anti-lock brake system and a system that can automatically adjust brake bias for optimal performance but does not actually operate the brakes in any way.
I would just point out one obvious thing: whether the accusation turns out to be true or not, has it helped them really? I mean, just look at the standings and ask yourself something, if you were going to cheat, where did it put you? Based solely on past years, Renault has done no better or worse if they are doing this, therefore, I can't believe that they would risk it. After signing a deal with Dany that costed a lot, I don't see him as being a part of anything like that. He is too well liked, and he cares a great deal about his reputation.
It is quite possible that the team will be bought within the next 4 years if it does not perform during the 2021 and 2022 seasons. (Only the Enstone factory will be bought, of course, not the PU plant).
With or without disqualification I do hope Renault still stay in the sport. Loosing another two cars and making the grid only 18 cars would likely not make that good racing. Especially when they are looking for possible new teams after 2021 rule changes.
William's could finish 9th in the championship with a single point
Clair williams: I see this as an absolute win.
honestly, her seeing one of their cars on the live tv broadcast is probably a big enough win for them at this point, theyre so far behind you only see a 5 second clip of a williams car every race and its usually when one of the front runners are overtaking it lmao
Even stripped of all of their points there is no way Renault wouldn't score anything in any of following races this year
@@ZDR-BoyZ they might get kicked out of the championship entirely. Ala mclaren 2007
This was way too funny😂
@@SadMarinersFan that would be unbelievably harsh penalty for a thing that barely gives advantage
I mean if they are cheating, then they’re doing a really bad job at it lol
Maybe they're deliberately running slower to hide the cheating....?
/Old Viz magazine joke.
Or the rest of the car isn't good enough for them to place better, even with cheating
You read my mind!😉
Well they are French
That crossed my mind too. Like d@mn....if this IS true, and you risked "everything" just to be mediocre (no offense to their engineers.....truly) Id have to fire people just for that alone. If we cheat...we will win or else.....we arent cheating.
This years season on Netflix is going to be juicy!!!
Ohhh I can already feel the tense drama on DTS 😂😂😂
Formula 1: Snitch to Survive 😂
After the shenanigans in Canada post race, after Germany, After Leclerc v Max in Austria, then Silverstone, ferrari resurgence and shock win in singapore there is sooo much juicy content this season. I think heads are exploding at the netflix offices.
Do you guys KNOW for a fact that they ARE doing a 2nd season?!?
GunMouth 4Hire its been confirmed for ages. Theres even been signs in team garages saying filming is taking place for it
I dont really care about Renault as a team, but i dont want their drivers to suffer. Both Nico and Daniel are top lads, and i hope this is all on the team and not them.
You don’t give a HOOT about Renault
@@julianbell9161 ?
Mr. 3PAC I agree it’s unfair for them to be stuck which Renault who probably forced them into the brake bias thing as they can’t really refuse to do it as they would be probably fired
@@robertbaillie7770 They could refuse. Not only would their contacts almost certainly protect them from being fired for refusing to cheat, they would also have whistle blower protection if the sport has any integrity. Ricciardo and Hulkenburg also have the money to take Renault to court for wrongful termination.
Mr. 3PAC I agree. Danny Rick was one of my favorite drivers at red bull but now I don’t even keep up
Racing Point: Friendship with Renault ended now McLaren is my best friend.
ShashKetchum not really cus McLaren moves to merc power units now racing point will be stuck with Honda as the engine limit for a manufacturer is 3 so with merc and Ferrari full all racing point have is Honda left
Richard Hills Mercedes asked for permission to supply 4 teams including itself and the FIA approved it so actually racing point are still with Mercedes
Richard Hills not true a team can power more than 3 teams at once it only needs permision from FIA and merc has it
Now red bull is my friend
ShashKetchum nice meme, Mudasir.
Renault always seems to be caught up in controversy! Last time (crash gate) they left the sport. And now with mclaren leaving them...this just doesn't look good.
that is exactly what I have been saying, I really wonder if they last beyond 2021
Yeah I feel like this is just adds on to renaults existing issues. Around the summer break there were questions about their future as it is. This and McLaren leaving will just add to it
That would leave only 3 manufacturers in the sport not good
Cheating is in Renault's DNA. Cyril Abiteboul has never seemed to be honest person to me.
@@TheRagingStorm98 yeah back to where we started in the hybrid era
Imagine cheating and still having such a mediocre season 😂
Reminds me of Maria Sharapova
Shades of the Toyota Celica
Almost makes investigations pointless, don't You think?
Yeah, almost like losing a rigged election.
They still spent only a fraction of Money for R&D compared to the big players.
I don’t really care for Renault as an organization, but Nico and Daniel are both good drivers who deserve better
Edit: I’m not saying they are innocent or blameless, I simply think they deserve a better organization that wouldn’t ask them to cheat.
I think if its true, daniel and nico are alsow cheaters
if this turns out to be true then the drivers were also in on it
@@GloomGaiGar yep.
GloomGaiGar Yes
@@-enderplayyy6402 Hamilton and Alonso were in the spygate scandal and people never talk about it
I guess Esteban Ocon really wants his seat back...
david marmol snitch
@@arba7428 bruh
-My wild guess-
Whistle Blower: *_NICO HULKENBURG_*
I scrolled way too far for this!!
Worth mentioning that the Nelson Piquet cheating only came to light after they fired him....
nico rosberg in fornt of explosions "is his career over?!?"
If Renault are disqualified from the championship they definitely won’t make it to the front on the pack in 2021
I have NO confidence in this new reno program. I think dani ric is REALLY gonna regret signing with them.
Tbh being disqualifed doesn't mean that they couldn't build a good car,though it's unlikely from renault
Jayson Roberts I’m sure he does and has been kicking himself in the rear 😂 😂
@@Myth8600 Red Bull was not quick enough to win the title anyway.
eman kcin 2021 has entered the chat
Save time on the investigation,
Employ Coleen Rooney...
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SilverArrow_xxx I’m incognito 😉
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It must not be a large performance advantage, McLaren is beating them soundly.
Chris Tamblyn oooof
But isn't that McLaren almost did the same a decade ago?
@@Marc-zi4vg if you mean spygate that's something completely different. This is more like the 1994 Benetton launch control accusation.
Ouch.
Damn ...thanx for pointing that out i never noticed 😯😯
Plot twist: remove the brake bias system and the Renault's finish in the top 5 everyrace.
You're a F##KING CHAMPION OMG!!! Im dead! #DayMade
Fun fact: This Renault team used to be Bennetton. The same Bennetton that was also caught using or containing illegal driver aids.
*Benetton
Benetton used an engine mapping software and not a traction controll that's why Benetton didn't cheated because it was a loophole what they found
I mean it's not like Renault never cheated
That Enstone team NEVER cheated.
@Alan Ali 11 tuned mass damper
Jimut Jayadev and as far as I know, it wasn’t technically illegal anyway. Right?
@@jacobm2625 It is illegal lmao.
🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂
Hard for the drivers to have not known about this. They'd know whether they've been told not to manually shift brake bias or not. Can't see this being a team only repremand.
The only way they could be innocent is if the dial was a dummy
Jorge - possible, but assuming much of the evidence is from on board footage, the drivers must have been doing something difference for other teams to notice. That would be conscious actions of the driver.
time to send a barrister to danyric house then
Maybe the whistle blower is hulk
@@jorge8596 they would definitely notice that changing that dial doesn't actually affect how car behaves
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Cant do a 12 pager in a few days!!!? Pfffffffft
Someones a straight A student
The Night before is plenty of time 😅
Tbh I can do a 12 page essay in one day, it's no biggie if you know what youre writing about
williams throwing a party right now
That 1 billion dollar investment had to have gone somewhere.
New RS20? Maybe improving the car?
A large chunk of it went into Ricciardo's bank account didn't it?
Infrastructure in Viry and Enstone.
@@Zero_Ninety maybe
Was thinking about Nico on the whistleblower thing just as you were about to say it lmao
End of season Renault leaves the sport, new Spanish team picks up Nico to pair Alonso for the 2020 season.. You heard it here first 😁
Renault and Cheating, a better love story than twilight
Honestly, mostly anything is a better love story than Twilight.
How racing point knows this is very suspicious
soli f1 twist racing point has it too
I guess its a case of: I know you're cheating because I am too and you beat me? 🤣
some nazi spies from mercedes. they coudn't resist to fuck up the french again
I just can't C Danny Ric or even hulk cheating
The most likely thing is that Racing Point have developped such a system and are suing Renault to get an indirect confirmation from the FIA wether this system is legal or not
Used to watch F1 all the time while in UK, lost track since I moved but now I'm catching up again and loving it!
Cyril to Nico: Sorry Nico we need to cut you loose we have Ocon now. Nico to Racing Point: Can i drive for you guys? because our car drives it self.
just cant see Danny Ric doing this
Ikr :/
I'm confident that they are not guilty.
But if You remember he's not confident with his late brake moves at Renault like he was at redbull... Surely until the summer break...
What if it is a result of automated system putting him off...?
Sports Tourer good point
@@amalkallarackal9293 you have a point - Hulk also seems to be slower and less stable. But that would be some plot twist - after removing their illegal component they suddenly would finish ahead of midfield in every race :D
Ferrari is also under scrutiny with their engines.
Wouldn't be surprised. Mercedes had total dominance for the first half a dozen races, and then overnight ferrari had total dominance 🤔
@@davidoconnor3201 Ferrari engine was already in the beginning of the year the benchmark,they brought floor and wing updates which made the difference
@@davidoconnor3201 if it stopped those damn mercedes from being on top hell yeh go for it .
Under scrutiny for what? Because it's supposed that no one can do a better job than Mercedes? Unfortunately Ferrari has just a little bit if experience in making high performance engines.
So, force india should have been rebranded as "sport peso rat point" .
sidenote...what ever happened to Ant's analysis of Ferrari's dual clutch system where one of the clutches became a thumb button? Weren't dual clutches banned?
Didn’t Rosberg give Dan advice on his podcast on changing brake bias going into corners and overtaking which he bleeped out? 🤔 🤔
59:28 - 1:04:02 is very interesting on that podcast
He gave him legit protocol to administer, yea..
And?
I think it was engine braking .
It seemed both front end and engine braking
@@Anvil35 He said to crank up the engine braking to the rear to help stop front inside locking on heavy turn in braking . And thats driver controlled so completely legal anyway .
Danny Ric wouldn't be doing this...the bloke has to much integrity and love for the sport.
I feel like the FIA would have noticed that the drivers aren't flicking some switches when every other driver is
Maybe not though! The FIA relies on a lot of sensors to make calls it seems. Not sure they have one for the switches.
That and they are messing with the wheel for a dozen other adjustments every race anyways would be hard to tell what exactly they're manipulating.
@@defmud80 Other teams would notice it much earlier in the season, especially ones involved in that fierce midfield battle. Or they added it only after summer break.
You forgot 'again' in the title
Lmao
There's now an allegation that Ferrari's power units are illegal in some way, wonder how that'll affect things if it is true
theu probarly get a salp on the hands for that and keeping the points whit that
@@ronaldkasteel3459 they would have to loose half of their points for it to affect their position in championship
@@ZDR-BoyZ they should if it happends
@@ZDR-BoyZ it's not just Ferrari though they'd have to call Haas and Alfa into question
@@dalekenning1363 thats a goot cach - i havent thought about it this way - although i think the issue most likely will be with engines after last update not whole seasson , thus really affecting only ferrari - haas and alfa havent scored that much in last races, and if they updated engines later than ferrari then even better for them
6ix9ine was the whistle blower
I can't see how this would work as the bias changes depending upon the grip available, so what is good for 'say' turn 1 on new tyres wouldn't necessarily work when the tyres are even 20% used and definately wouldn't if the wear rate of the tyres is different front to back and/or side to side... And that's not allowing for the track grip changing or the tyres wearing in an unusual fashion.
Wont it be a dog turd if racing point was actually found to be cheating
Force india tactically waited towards end of the season to protest because they can get that place .If they protested early maybe Renault can still beat them in the constructed championship so a clever move from them.
It’s possible the drivers could be unaware. If the drivers are using the bias switch thinking it is performing the way they should, but the car is auto switching in the software to optimize the drivers inputs.
I'd be surprised if Renault are found guilty of anything. Joe Bauer and his crew check these cars all the time. The ECU is spec so you can't go crazy with that. They'd know i there was something illegal. At worst it is a repeat of the mass dampener thing from 15 years ago. They'd tell the team to not use it anymore. Maybe Racing Point is just fishing for secrets.
So it's clear that it's Nico Hulkenberg who leaked their secret as a revenge of getting kicked out from the team
Ocon secretly still working for racing point
Lol
Ocon never worked for Racing Point. He worked for Force India
have renault been caught cheating? you're 10 years late buddy
What’s funny is let’s say this started in Bahrain they’d still be ahead of Williams
That moment when you cheat and one of your drivers did never actually finish in the top3
Jk hulk ftw
If this is true, and I really hope it's not, then why did they bother? Renault have had a terrible season so it would seem that if they did use this cheat, it didn't do them any good.
Also, if you read the official document from the FIA on this, it only says the protest was admissible because it was in accordance with Regulation 13, which details how and when protests have to be made, nothing has been said to suggest that the FIA accepted it because there was evidence that Renault have definitely cheated. For all we know, the Racing Point document could be full of things that they think happened, which could turn out to be completely false.
Either way, I would be so disappointed in both drivers if this illegal system is in use, Danial especially is a brilliant driver, I can't see why he would go along with this, knowing how wrong it is.
If they cheating they doing a horrible job at it lol 😂
guess Renault didn't learn from crashgate, huh?
Perhaps the onboard camera showing the driver recordings could indicate that the drivers did not adjust as they have to manually ! just a guess
F1: Drivers must drive the car alone and unaided
Also F1: power steering
"Unaided"
Also Also F1: Pitlane limiter
Also Also Also F1: 2 way radio discussion/information
By that definition they'd have to be pedal cars.... "Unaided" means areas of skill. Traction control, ABS etc replace the skill of the driver. Power steering, breaks, and the engine itself, don't. They still rely on the driver's skill to control and operate them. Power steering makes driving physically easier for the driver, but it doesn't decide when to steer or how much.
Okay Karl Bassett can’t enjoy a simple meme
Isn't that easy to proof? With F1TV you can watch the Onboards from every car and could see if the driver changes the brake balance or not.
Did they?
Here is the Video, Racing Point used and the Steward used it aswell for their verdict: mega.nz/#!CpoAjY4B!R1_ay0xMQORCZPaYXEQbr_I0c1qMb1XldYD17iNm85Q Look at the %-Display on the Top Left. It changes without touching any button or knob
Another interesting thing I found out during this situation... not only does the other team have to have some sort of evidence for FIA to take action but they also have to be *very* specific with their accusation. If FIA happens to find something that was not in the complaint there will be no punishment as they were not looking for what they found, sort of how it works with the police and search warrants.
lolol Ricciardo breaking so well that other accuse them of cheating
what is BBW on steering wheel?
brake by wire?
In a way I kind of hope they are. Teams need to be trying to bend the rules as much as possible. It’s where all the best innovation comes from. They should still be disqualified (if they are cheating) but I still hope there’s teams trying absolutely everything they can
I don't think there's much room left within the regulations these days. No more "water cooled brakes" or "tanks within tanks" or "fuel with lead buckshot ". There's no fun left for the Gordon Murray's of today.
It must be some sort of GPS based brake bias system then? I guess it would have to be. But for sure, the real interest for me is how Racing Point found out about it. I suddenly have an urge to watch some Renault onboards. I would expect the Racing Point info to be pretty concrete to have taken it this far.
Man I have never heard of these allegations till now, this is crazy
I'm a Danni Ric fan and I'm gutted. I can't help but feel that RP wouldn't have bought this to the FIA if they didn't have evidence. And if it's true I can't imagine Dan didn't know. Further more it hasn't helped them a great deal. It's horrible. I hate cheats.
Ow boii.. there goes the nicest livery on the grid
Umm... Are you blind?
Jk, just your opinion
Wonder how Monseur Irritable is going to Squirrel his way out of this one
Briatore's influence lives on.
Wait, Force India, Hülkenbergs former employer, got information that Renault, Hülkenbergs current employer and where he's fired from this year? Could Nico be involved somehow?
McLaren's $100 million fine was largely Max Mosley on an ego trip. $10 million for the offence and the other $90 million was out of spite because he didn't like Ron Dennis
Obviously there's cockpit footage that can show how the driver uses the brake bias through the races from past till now...so I'll be looking for signs of which side seems more confident going into any forthcoming disputes. in which case, yeah, it won't workout well for the drivers, I suopose.
I always wondered why there were knobs on the wheels. Wouldn't those be hard to operate since you'd need a finger and a thumb to do it? Why not just have 4 preset buttons and then just have 4 places around the track that you'd change it. Then just have a "adjust up" and "adjust down" buttons. So the regulations say that the computers can't change the bias at all, and the drivers must drive the car completely by themselves (meaning they must make all the setting changes themselves), but would it be illegal for the computer to set say some "stops" on a knob dependent on track position so the driver could just throw the knob over until it stopped and it'd be at the right location? Technically the driver would still be making the changes. Heck, he could even adjust the stops manually. Is the computer adjusting ANYTHING based on track position illegal? Say, could the computer adjust a pseudo stop on the throttle pedal around certain turns that are known to be slippery to prevent wheelspin? That's not "technically" the computer driving the car, it's just semi-restricting what the driver can do. It could even be like a detent so that the driver could push past it if they wanted to. Like a "suggested" throttle position.
''Unaided'' ...
How could Racing Point know this? How could Ricciardo and Hulkenburg knowingly do this? It is a bit suspect to me, I think Racing Point may suffer because of this but it remains to be seen.
It doesn't matter if the drivers knew, if their cars were illegal they gained unfair advantage.
It does matter - if they knew they are complicit in the deception
@@Penguin_of_Death true but it shouldn't affect the penalty. If they gained an advantage throughout the whole season, they should not score points for any of those races.
Project Veritas has been on fire this week 🔥
Cheating and they're STILL losing to McLaren with the same engine
I doubt this system existed on the car all season. Look at the braking issues Ricciardo had early in the year with locking the fronts. Seems like this auto-bias system may have been made to fix the dodgy early brakes.
How could Racing Point even know that... except if someone blew the whistle. My guess is that someone (or Hulk himself) was pissed that he lost his seat, and leaked the info. Racing Point would be in a lot of trouble for going on such a stretch with false allegations, so in a way, it has to be true. That, or the source has tricked them into protesting, just to screw Racing Point.
Melissa Skye if it was hulk he didn’t get a seat for his info
To my understanding, surely looking at their on boards to see if the drivers are adjusting their brake bias on their wheel, if it turns out that the brake bias is being automatically adjusted and the drivers are adjusting on their wheels then the drivers can't be proved to be involved, thus the teams fault. But if the drivers aren't adjusting their wheels and the automatic system is proved to exist then the drivers are in on it
leave it to renault to cheat and still be behind a customer team
i don't actually see how it could work? brake bias isn't just changed corner to corner its also changed depending on the life and condition of the tyres and it also needs to be changed when performing an overtake on a corner, so a pre race setup might not even be beneficial during the race as tyres get older and would need to be set by the driver who knows how the tyres are performing, if it is a pre race set brake bias system then it could be a hindrance to the performance of the car and unless it somehow knows what the tyres will be like and when an overtake will be performed before the race (thats impossible) then it really wouldn't work?
The 2nd to last still shot with both cars in the shot has some real bad deg on Hulks front right. Eek
I hope they don't get disqualified from the championship. Since it seems unlikely they'd be accused of something which they didn't do (a lot of false evidence).
It's the same team of the launch control aid Beneton, so it wouldn't be their first time cheating.
This could have serious implications for Renault as a team in the sport, especially with them being suspended from Suzuka
Loving the content man awesome 👏🏻
uh tcs was banned way before 2000 cuz in the 94 season senna had trouble getting to grips with the willams and the active suspension was also banned for the 94 season
Commander Nobody nah, TC and ABS were unbanned and then banned again after the 2007 season.
Realisticly, if the allegations are true, the team will probably be hit with similar consequences as BAR Honda back in 2005, when it was discovered after the San Marino GP that Jenson Buttons car was underweight when drained of fuel, meaning they were using fuel as balast to hit the required minumum weight. The initial idea was to ban them completely from the championship that year, but they eventually settled on disqualifying the team and drivers from the San Marino GP, and ban them from the next two races... Renault would probably fit somewhere in this range, but in the more severe end, as it would be a case of the drivers absolutely knowing about the systems, where Button and Sato might not have known about the missing 5kg of weight...
Renault this season: well well well how the turntables
it's not impossible that if Renault discovered & used this auto brake bias system other teams aren't using similar systems. it might reach the point where other teams performance dramatically drops off as they hastily remove their own devices & cover their tracks. it wouldn't do much for the sport if it turned out manufacturers champions Mercedes were also using this system. FIA might end up having to put a specifically worded rule change to prevent teams using these kinds of system but has to turn a blind eye if top teams like Mercedes or Ferrari are doing this too. otherwise the whole 2019 season would become a farce. but if one team exploits a gap in the regs to gain an advantage u can bet other teams do the same.
Honestly, I don't think its anything aside from a system for practice to change the bias external in practice and testing
Anyone else noticed how Renault have CONSTANTLY made tweaks to their livery throughout the season? Especially on the rear wing! I don't see what was wrong with the livery set-up at the rear but clearly they do...I wouldn't bother changing it tbh
I was under the impression that after the races the cars are held for technical inspection. How was this missed, if it's true.
Unless there was a box with wires plugged into the brake pedal with "Automatic Bias System" written on it how would you spot it?
If this is true then surely Ricciardo and Hulk are for the high jump too? This isn't one of those times where the drivers can plausibly claim not to have known about cheating, they're either manually changing the brake balance or they aren't and if they aren't then they must be aware that there's cheating afoot.
With the exception of the ignition, take ALL the electronics out of the race cars. Make the drivers drive.
What? You mean the current Renault team that used to be Benetton cheated? I am shocked.
Here's an idea: I think the system is illegal but should be allowed. Drivers should be driving first and foremost when approaching a corner at speed, not fiddling with their steering wheel, and there is a difference between an anti-lock brake system and a system that can automatically adjust brake bias for optimal performance but does not actually operate the brakes in any way.
Confirmed Renault is disqualified from the Japanese GP
Mark Prixly? who? I can't find his youtube channel. Can someone please link me his channel please.
If Ferrari haven’t gotten caught, then Renault it’s not cheating.
It is clearly illegal.
Why would Renault risk that?!
I would just point out one obvious thing: whether the accusation turns out to be true or not, has it helped them really? I mean, just look at the standings and ask yourself something, if you were going to cheat, where did it put you?
Based solely on past years, Renault has done no better or worse if they are doing this, therefore, I can't believe that they would risk it.
After signing a deal with Dany that costed a lot, I don't see him as being a part of anything like that. He is too well liked, and he cares a great deal about his reputation.
Mclaren's move to Mercedes customer power units in 2021 suddenly looks even smarter now, in hindsight.
It is quite possible that the team will be bought within the next 4 years if it does not perform during the 2021 and 2022 seasons. (Only the Enstone factory will be bought, of course, not the PU plant).
With or without disqualification I do hope Renault still stay in the sport. Loosing another two cars and making the grid only 18 cars would likely not make that good racing. Especially when they are looking for possible new teams after 2021 rule changes.