@@addressinggettysburg Do you have any idea why they were not used? I know that some of them were on long lane or in positions inside of the town, they were like, right there. Did their commanders know about the charge and not want to get involved in what was sure to be an epic fail? I'm not being a hater - I'm glad they did not, as hundreds of men of these brigades would have been killed and thousands wounded . I just wanna know.
As for how long the artillery fired - in Oct 1864 here at Decatur al when hoods army approached - artillery with Walthal’s division of Stewart’s corps - unlimbered and reports from just one battery comdr said they “were engaged for 2 1/2 hours and fired 212 rounds.” This was first action of hoods middle Tenn campaign that resulted in Franklin and Nashville / so the artillery was still well stocked with ammo after leaving Atlanta. The point being - how much artillery ammo - shell, solid, canister etc did Lees artillery carry into Pennsylvania? By third day - how much was left? Do we know rate of fire? If those guys with one battery in 1864 lobbed 212 rounds in 150 minutes - we should be able to dig into the OR reports, if there are any, showing how much ordnance was expended. Rate of fire , amount of ordinance expended might give us an idea of how long the July 3 bombardment lasted???
Hindsight is a glorious general. But... Lee should have first taken out Grant at Vicksburg with half his resources. ..then come back...While utilizing Stuart to implement a massive guerrilla commando campaign...raid, interdict, raid, and raid again for supplies north from behind a concerted river line of fortifications forcing the Yanks to bang their noggins.
1:03:49 haha. He talks about a horrible documentary that described the defeat of the Confederates to the wooden rails on the emmitsburg road. Can someone provide me a link to this documentary? Where can I find it? I'm going to watch it and laugh
I got like 45 minutes into this, looked down at got anxiety because there was only an hour left. Tim was seriously in the zone! While having visual elements can be nice, its also a bit distracting. If you have a basic understanding of the battlefield layout and landmarks, audio only makes it easier to digest in the background while you’re doing something. In my case it was peeling potatoes and it went too fast
Why does Tim have to ruin all the cool stories with what really happened? LOL But seriously, excellent job by all involved as usual. I have a possible pathological addiction to this podcast now.
In my opinion, and all the Guides know it, that no matter what, no one really knows. That's why Tim is often considered the advocate of questioning standards. It's because no one really knows, and he reminds ppl that fact.
And to think. So many Confederates were killed in and around the Bryan farm. An African American's farm at the battlefield. Mr. Bryan survived the battle.
Great show as always. But Meade was a good commander, but not a great one by any means. Which is why Grant was placed over Meade. Only Grant could totally defeat Lee. Meade I don't think would've been up to the task.
What a bunch of BS. First of all, don’t compare Sherman to Meade as a fighter. Meade was superior as a fighter. Look at their records. Second Meade is the one who fought the army of the Potomac not Grant. Grant provided the broad stroke and the direction the army would move. Meade handled all the tactics. In fact, Grant could usually be found in the rear whittling a piece of wood. Meade was disliked by the press. That’s why Grant got the headlines. Lee knew it was Meade that he was up against. That’s why the first thing he said after he signed the surrender document at Appomattox was please make sure that General Meade knows about this!
LEES CANNONADE FAILED MEADE MOVED HIS TROOPS AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO AVOID TROOPS IN THE REAR BEING HIT SMART MOVE BY MEADE HE WENT TO WEST POINT PEOPLE MEADE WON GETTYSBURG AMEN 🙏
294 union generals were west point graduates as were 151 confederate generals including robert e lee who finished second in his class of 1829 What s your west point
Wrong. The reason the war lasted four years was because of the skill of robert e lee and the lack of skill of george b mcclellan who couldn t beat lee with lee s battleplan in his grasp
@@davidhallett8783Lee’s status as a genius is rooted in the lost cause myth. Lee was infamous for giving vague orders to his subordinates and it showed at Gettysburg.
I've always been baffled as to what Thomas and Perrin's brigades were doing when the Union swung out the Ohio 8th, NY 136th, and 1st MA Sharp Shooters in the north to enfilade the advancing infantry belonging to III Corps that was part of the assault. Looking at the tactical map the Ohio 8th had its right flank exposed perpendicular to Thomas's brigade yet there's no evidence suggesting anything was done about it from either Thomas or Perrin or any of Rodes brigades also deployed along Long Land. Does anyone care to comment? I'd love to know more about this.
This program is wonderful! There have been questions I have always had about Day Three that have been touched on. Thanks everyone well done.
Thank you!
Excellent series with excellent speakers.
Great show
Thank you
Liked the depth of the presentation made here.
Much appreciated!
Great conversation - thank you all
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Tim Smith is a living God! 🤘
Cool
58:20 units not used in the longstreet assault includes Thomas, Perry, lang!
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@@addressinggettysburg Do you have any idea why they were not used? I know that some of them were on long lane or in positions inside of the town, they were like, right there. Did their commanders know about the charge and not want to get involved in what was sure to be an epic fail? I'm not being a hater - I'm glad they did not, as hundreds of men of these brigades would have been killed and thousands wounded . I just wanna know.
"A bigger head banging against a bigger wall" - EXCELLENT!
You need to add the little trade mark symbol after that phrase
28:40 lol great plug for his book
As for how long the artillery fired - in Oct 1864 here at Decatur al when hoods army approached - artillery with Walthal’s division of Stewart’s corps - unlimbered and reports from just one battery comdr said they “were engaged for 2 1/2 hours and fired 212 rounds.” This was first action of hoods middle Tenn campaign that resulted in Franklin and Nashville / so the artillery was still well stocked with ammo after leaving Atlanta. The point being - how much artillery ammo - shell, solid, canister etc did Lees artillery carry into Pennsylvania? By third day - how much was left? Do we know rate of fire? If those guys with one battery in 1864 lobbed 212 rounds in 150 minutes - we should be able to dig into the OR reports, if there are any, showing how much ordnance was expended. Rate of fire , amount of ordinance expended might give us an idea of how long the July 3 bombardment lasted???
This series is magnificent. Next year please add professor Reardon.
Good idea
I didn’t know you guys had a TH-cam channel!
we don't do much with it...yet
So far so good
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The directions to Grants HQ,classic!
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I agree. Meade did his job but it was Grant that knew what needed to be done to win the war.
Indeed
Grant knew he had great commands in Sherman in the west and Mead in the east with these two Grant knew he can win.
Tremendous presentation.
Thank you
The alternative to attack the flanks was redeploying to the south like Longstreet begged Lee to do.
Can you guess why that would have been foolish for Lee to do?
Hindsight is a glorious general.
But...
Lee should have first taken out Grant at Vicksburg with half his resources. ..then come back...While utilizing Stuart to implement a massive guerrilla commando campaign...raid, interdict, raid, and raid again for supplies north from behind a concerted river line of fortifications forcing the Yanks to bang their noggins.
1:03:49 haha. He talks about a horrible documentary that described the defeat of the Confederates to the wooden rails on the emmitsburg road. Can someone provide me a link to this documentary? Where can I find it? I'm going to watch it and laugh
I want to say it was Battlefield Detectives, but it’s been so long since we recorded this, I can’t be sure.
The best Civil War movie I’d “The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly”.
I have to watch it again. Haven’t seen it since I was a kid.
Good stuff
Glad you enjoyed
I got like 45 minutes into this, looked down at got anxiety because there was only an hour left. Tim was seriously in the zone!
While having visual elements can be nice, its also a bit distracting. If you have a basic understanding of the battlefield layout and landmarks, audio only makes it easier to digest in the background while you’re doing something. In my case it was peeling potatoes and it went too fast
Why does Tim have to ruin all the cool stories with what really happened? LOL But seriously, excellent job by all involved as usual. I have a possible pathological addiction to this podcast now.
Well we like to create addicts! Once one is hooked, hey get the real good sh*t over on Patreon 😉
In my opinion, and all the Guides know it, that no matter what, no one really knows. That's why Tim is often considered the advocate of questioning standards. It's because no one really knows, and he reminds ppl that fact.
And to think. So many Confederates were killed in and around the Bryan farm. An African American's farm at the battlefield. Mr. Bryan survived the battle.
Indeed
As were many Yankees. After all, slavery was legal under United States law, and slave states were still in the union. So what's your point? Et tu?
I agree with 'therant'. The south didn't come as close to winning as is usually presented.
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Great show as always. But Meade was a good commander, but not a great one by any means. Which is why Grant was placed over Meade. Only Grant could totally defeat Lee. Meade I don't think would've been up to the task.
You’re probably right
I some what agree I think with Grant over the whole Union army he knew Sherman was capable in the west and knew Mead just needed a push so to speak.
What a bunch of BS. First of all, don’t compare Sherman to Meade as a fighter. Meade was superior as a fighter. Look at their records. Second Meade is the one who fought the army of the Potomac not Grant. Grant provided the broad stroke and the direction the army would move. Meade handled all the tactics. In fact, Grant could usually be found in the rear whittling a piece of wood. Meade was disliked by the press. That’s why Grant got the headlines. Lee knew it was Meade that he was up against. That’s why the first thing he said after he signed the surrender document at Appomattox was please make sure that General Meade knows about this!
LEES CANNONADE FAILED MEADE MOVED HIS TROOPS AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO AVOID TROOPS IN THE REAR BEING HIT SMART MOVE BY MEADE HE WENT TO WEST POINT PEOPLE MEADE WON GETTYSBURG AMEN 🙏
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294 union generals were west point graduates as were 151 confederate generals including robert e lee who finished second in his class of 1829
What s your west point
Lee is overrated. Fanboys high on nostalgia don’t wanna hear that because the truth hurts.
Wrong. The reason the war lasted four years was because of the skill of robert e lee and the lack of skill of george b mcclellan who couldn t beat lee with lee s battleplan in his grasp
If only you were there.
@@davidhallett8783Lee’s status as a genius is rooted in the lost cause myth. Lee was infamous for giving vague orders to his subordinates and it showed at Gettysburg.
I've always been baffled as to what Thomas and Perrin's brigades were doing when the Union swung out the Ohio 8th, NY 136th, and 1st MA Sharp Shooters in the north to enfilade the advancing infantry belonging to III Corps that was part of the assault. Looking at the tactical map the Ohio 8th had its right flank exposed perpendicular to Thomas's brigade yet there's no evidence suggesting anything was done about it from either Thomas or Perrin or any of Rodes brigades also deployed along Long Land. Does anyone care to comment? I'd love to know more about this.