Is it possible to write up a checklist on how you differ from JuggAI. Am I wrong to say that the key difference is the Benchmark set feature, or is it much deeper than that?
I don't know how big of a pain it would be, but an option to schedule a meet date based on the number of weeks out as opposed to a date on the calendar would be awesome for people like myself that have unconventional microcycles/"weeks". Due to my job, my training "week" is 9-10 days. This makes lining up the calendar weeks & my training weeks to end on the same date a pain. If I have a meet 4 months out I have to pick a date around 3 months out as my meet date & hope I didn't screw the math up. Other than that, I'm about 3 weeks into my 1st hypertrophy cycle & am liking the app so far. I'm gonna run the 1st macro cycle as written, but I'm really looking forward to tinkering with it on the next cycle. The ability to use the benchmark sets to change an exercise from a volume focus to an intensity focus & vice versa is intriguing.
We're glad you're on the team 💪🏽. That is an interesting request and one that I'm sure others have as well. Microcycles of unorthodox length would likely affect the SRA cycles built into our program. The solution, as you say, could be to simply schedule peaks based on weeks rather than dates and let the user fit their training days into the schedule. Our team will be thinking about this one 🧐
The readiness inputs for each body part should be updated with "better" responses for the Powerbuilding. Asking if "feeling tired/weak" isn't the best verbiage maybe for powerlifting but not hypertrophy. So your powerlifting and powerbuilding can't be the same copy/paste. Since it's really based on soreness is a 3 should be the center as in "zero to little soreness" then it goes to increased soreness levels to the left, and lease soreness to the right. Also, you should look at including a metric for "PUMP" that can be extremely valuable especially for Powerbuilding aka "Hypertrophy" because if you aren't getting a pump, then you aren't doing enough of a stimulus for growth. RP by Mike Israetel handles this well in his training templates, and it's a simple thought process, basically if you didn't get a pump add/keep/remove a set to next workout for that muscle based on pump rating (-1,0,1). He actually uses two inputs, "soreness" & "pump" those two inputs add/stay/remove sets for the body parts for the following workouts. so if you only did 2 sets, and you didn't get sore at all, and had no pump, it would bump you up to 4 sets the next time you did it. it's simple but effective. something you should look at for your Powerbuilding.
How are you doing the powerbuilding and not getting a pump? You should easily be getting a pump with multiple sets of rir 0-3, which is what most of the sets in the powerbuilding are aiming to do. You should do more amraps with your sets cause your rir probably isn’t what you think it is. If you are truly going close to failure you’ll get a pump.
I'm using this app now and I feel quite confused about how it works. Outside of selecting the specific lifts I prefer based on the muscle group, I don't know why I need to have so much input if it is powered by AI. I've never done 1 rep max so I really have no idea what my numbers are. I do have months of tracked workouts so when I calculate based on the formula provided it comes to a much higher weight than I am capable of lifting. I am now realizing I may have been going to RPE 9+ on most of my compound lifts in the past. I still don't understand this benchmark thing or why some exercises seem to give the option of doing 1 heavy set or 2 lesser sets? If benchmarks need to be set the app should determine it not me. I believe the first week or every time you do a new lift, the app should just tell me to do the prescribed lift within a specified RPE then analyze the results and formulate my future workouts. I hope there can be more improvements made to made this app more understandable to people without all the sport science knowledge. Your website and youtube channel can also do a better job of explaining how it works in a more direct method.
I appreciate the flexibility to change rep references and benchmark sets. In the video it is stated to 'not overuse benchmarks'. I am curious as to how they were designed and meant to be implemented. e.g. 1 Should I choose a benchmark scheme for a particular lift for an entire block? e.g. 2 Should I choose to benchmark sets periodically for any s/b/d lift within the block? My confusion stems from tinkering w/in the app. If I ask for a benchmark in the app, it will save for that benchmark protocol for that lift lift for (at least) the entire block (fits into e.g. 1 above). However, if e.g. 2 from above was more the design, I'll have to 'forget benchmark' the next week/training session for that lift. Thanks
Great question. They are designed to be used with one or maybe two squat, bench, or deadlift variations per training session. Most common would be to assign one or two benchmark sets for your primary lift of the day, and perform the rest of the session as written and according to your rep preferences. It is intended to remember your benchmark preference so you can track what works best for you over the course of the macrocycle. Furthermore, consistency will help to isolate the most important variable, which is whether you can move more weight at the same RPE, or the same weight at a lower RPE, from week to week on that lift.
I'd like to say the following: JuggernautAI was fun to use, but two major downsides made me quit using it. One is the price of 35€ per month via the app store. Since credit cards are not that common in Europe I couldn't subscribe via the website directly. Paypal payment for the website would be very nice. Second is the style of periodization and amount of volume. I'm a long limbed lifter and feel like less frequency and less volume are better for me and my ability to recover. When I used JuggAI and also when testing EvolveAI even on the lowest Vol/Freq setting Volume was very high and I had many SBD days. If I was able to say "I want to train 3 days a week, SB-BD-SB" that would be great. If EvolveAI brings more options to customize training like that and the price is little bit lower than 35€, I will definitely use EvolveAI for my training on a longterm basis. The benchmark feature is already a big step in the right direction. PS: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it was possible in earlier versions of JuggAI to add volume manually. I often wished that I could add more volume for back.
We appreciate your feedback as to options that you'd love to see incorporated in EvolveAI in the future! We are absolutely working on empowering our users to make choices about their training, while still guiding the overall process with the expert system process. Keep the feedback coming! We're all evolving together and our users are an important part of that process :)
Thanks for the informative video. I have a question when it comes to the benchmark sets do you only suggest those for competition lists during the strength blocks ? Would you still suggest using them for the primary movement each saw ie spoto press. Also, what factors go into deciding if we were to use one benchmark set or 2 . Just personal preference?
Hi guys! Do you plan in the near future to make also the "coach" version of evolveai? i was thinking about it and it would be kinda interesting let AI programming (like its doing) and you, as a coach, adjust the parameters. Basically a platform to manage athletes where you can use (if wanted) IA to write programs and human-coaches correct them (meanwhile IA learn what the coaches does to the athlete and somehow ask why they did that). Managing platform for coaches powered by IA...
@EvolveAI are we supposed to keep the benchmark set during the deload week? Should intensity be kept the same or reducing slightly the intensity (for example @8 to @7)?
Do you guys plan to implement the emerging strategies approach with the programming? I would assume if you were then the stress Index would have to remain constant week to week
We plan on continuing to innovate with Coach Mike Tuchscherer as we implement new programming features :) In the meantime, we highly recommend that you check out his coaching services if you find yourself wanting more!
Great question! The metabolic and central stress coefficients at this point are mathematically baked into the system and don't change, they are constants. That said, the benchmark feature allows you to bias your training more toward metabolic stress (benchmarks turned OFF) or central stress (benchmarks turned ON). We currently account for individual user responses to overall volume, and future updates will "follow the athlete response" as Mike T. says by tracking 1RM proxies in accordance with previous training blocks.
@@EvolveAI That final point is exciting to hear. In my opinion, not looking at e1RM (and only looking at recovery) was a big shortcoming of JuggAI. Looking forward to it!
Also, wanted to say that i really appreciate this deeper dive videos that explain the programming. I think there is an audience out there that is turned off by the black box problem and this really helps to alleviate that uncertainty.
Is there an integration planned with velocity trackers? Physical ones or camera-based, That would surely take out the RPE guesswork and i don't think it's been done yet
No but that can certainly be added Have you ever done a velocity profile before? You can create your own VBT/RPE relationship chart for each main lift to get that created for you and have the ability to combine the subjective (RPE) and objective (VBT) metrics to triangulate the decision making process for your own training
Adam is correct. All we can say for now is that the integration of disruptive technologies is accelerating quickly. That said, RPE is a very stable construct. Check out Dr. Foster's earlier work on it: www.ajol.info/index.php/sasma/article/view/31891
As a person with a lot of responsibilities and little time, I would prefer workouts be no more than an hour. Is that achievable with Evolve Ai? I am using Juggernaut AI now and some workouts are well over an hour.
So curiously I signed up for both Juggernaut AI and Evolve AI. And funnily enough they both have the same sign up process including the questionnaires. But I was hoping the exercises selection would be different but even that is the exact same in between the two apps. Thanks but no thanks, this turned out to be a total dud. My guess is whatever AI is behind the exercise selection it's the same in between these two apps, and probably being sold by the same software company with different people skinning some pre built software with their own branding. Gonna cancel both thanks.
It never asks you if you’re on peds but if every week you’re getting stronger it will notice and give you bigger numbers for the backoff sets or the next session
I like the program and it introduced me to some new experiences, pendlay, but I belong to planet fitness and I thought i could transfer some exercises from free weights to my machine. I don't think it worked and it was hard to find substitutions. I do recommend it tho. My only problem now is i can't find the the downgrade promt to unsubscribe before it charges me while on the 14 day free trial. Or does it automatically unsubscribe me if I don't resubscribe for the paid version? Just wondering. I hope someone reads this and gives me some advice. ✌️😊 and Merry Christmas.
@DebraStefan hi. I can't remember the exact steps, but I went to the app and got to contact us and let them know that I was unsubscribing. I think that's how they want it done. I hope this helps you. Have a great Christmas weekend. 🎄😊
Is the intention to keep the same benchmark sets every session of a block? When I look forward to my penultimate week of this block I see in the overview it mentions a new rep max attempt @10 but if I preview the workout it shows the same single @8 as previous weeks
Great question! The benchmark feature will replace the top set at 10. And yes, it would be most ideal to keep your benchmarks the same for the whole block. However, experiment a little bit from block to block to see what works best for you and follow the trail of your own response to training.
Is it possible to write up a checklist on how you differ from JuggAI. Am I wrong to say that the key difference is the Benchmark set feature, or is it much deeper than that?
I don't know how big of a pain it would be, but an option to schedule a meet date based on the number of weeks out as opposed to a date on the calendar would be awesome for people like myself that have unconventional microcycles/"weeks". Due to my job, my training "week" is 9-10 days. This makes lining up the calendar weeks & my training weeks to end on the same date a pain. If I have a meet 4 months out I have to pick a date around 3 months out as my meet date & hope I didn't screw the math up.
Other than that, I'm about 3 weeks into my 1st hypertrophy cycle & am liking the app so far. I'm gonna run the 1st macro cycle as written, but I'm really looking forward to tinkering with it on the next cycle. The ability to use the benchmark sets to change an exercise from a volume focus to an intensity focus & vice versa is intriguing.
We're glad you're on the team 💪🏽. That is an interesting request and one that I'm sure others have as well. Microcycles of unorthodox length would likely affect the SRA cycles built into our program. The solution, as you say, could be to simply schedule peaks based on weeks rather than dates and let the user fit their training days into the schedule. Our team will be thinking about this one 🧐
@@EvolveAI Guys, what about "muscular stress" seems like a important metric, not even mentioned. Or is it part of the "central stress"?
The readiness inputs for each body part should be updated with "better" responses for the Powerbuilding. Asking if "feeling tired/weak" isn't the best verbiage maybe for powerlifting but not hypertrophy. So your powerlifting and powerbuilding can't be the same copy/paste. Since it's really based on soreness is a 3 should be the center as in "zero to little soreness" then it goes to increased soreness levels to the left, and lease soreness to the right. Also, you should look at including a metric for "PUMP" that can be extremely valuable especially for Powerbuilding aka "Hypertrophy" because if you aren't getting a pump, then you aren't doing enough of a stimulus for growth. RP by Mike Israetel handles this well in his training templates, and it's a simple thought process, basically if you didn't get a pump add/keep/remove a set to next workout for that muscle based on pump rating (-1,0,1). He actually uses two inputs, "soreness" & "pump" those two inputs add/stay/remove sets for the body parts for the following workouts. so if you only did 2 sets, and you didn't get sore at all, and had no pump, it would bump you up to 4 sets the next time you did it. it's simple but effective. something you should look at for your Powerbuilding.
How are you doing the powerbuilding and not getting a pump? You should easily be getting a pump with multiple sets of rir 0-3, which is what most of the sets in the powerbuilding are aiming to do. You should do more amraps with your sets cause your rir probably isn’t what you think it is. If you are truly going close to failure you’ll get a pump.
There is no science linking pump to growth..
I still use the old Blevins excel spreadsheet haha but looking forward to trying this platform
I'm using this app now and I feel quite confused about how it works. Outside of selecting the specific lifts I prefer based on the muscle group, I don't know why I need to have so much input if it is powered by AI.
I've never done 1 rep max so I really have no idea what my numbers are. I do have months of tracked workouts so when I calculate based on the formula provided it comes to a much higher weight than I am capable of lifting. I am now realizing I may have been going to RPE 9+ on most of my compound lifts in the past.
I still don't understand this benchmark thing or why some exercises seem to give the option of doing 1 heavy set or 2 lesser sets?
If benchmarks need to be set the app should determine it not me.
I believe the first week or every time you do a new lift, the app should just tell me to do the prescribed lift within a specified RPE then analyze the results and formulate my future workouts.
I hope there can be more improvements made to made this app more understandable to people without all the sport science knowledge.
Your website and youtube channel can also do a better job of explaining how it works in a more direct method.
I appreciate the flexibility to change rep references and benchmark sets. In the video it is stated to 'not overuse benchmarks'. I am curious as to how they were designed and meant to be implemented.
e.g. 1 Should I choose a benchmark scheme for a particular lift for an entire block?
e.g. 2 Should I choose to benchmark sets periodically for any s/b/d lift within the block?
My confusion stems from tinkering w/in the app. If I ask for a benchmark in the app, it will save for that benchmark protocol for that lift lift for (at least) the entire block (fits into e.g. 1 above). However, if e.g. 2 from above was more the design, I'll have to 'forget benchmark' the next week/training session for that lift.
Thanks
Great question. They are designed to be used with one or maybe two squat, bench, or deadlift variations per training session. Most common would be to assign one or two benchmark sets for your primary lift of the day, and perform the rest of the session as written and according to your rep preferences. It is intended to remember your benchmark preference so you can track what works best for you over the course of the macrocycle. Furthermore, consistency will help to isolate the most important variable, which is whether you can move more weight at the same RPE, or the same weight at a lower RPE, from week to week on that lift.
So pumped for what this app is going to bring
I'd like to say the following:
JuggernautAI was fun to use, but two major downsides made me quit using it. One is the price of 35€ per month via the app store. Since credit cards are not that common in Europe I couldn't subscribe via the website directly. Paypal payment for the website would be very nice. Second is the style of periodization and amount of volume. I'm a long limbed lifter and feel like less frequency and less volume are better for me and my ability to recover. When I used JuggAI and also when testing EvolveAI even on the lowest Vol/Freq setting Volume was very high and I had many SBD days. If I was able to say "I want to train 3 days a week, SB-BD-SB" that would be great. If EvolveAI brings more options to customize training like that and the price is little bit lower than 35€, I will definitely use EvolveAI for my training on a longterm basis. The benchmark feature is already a big step in the right direction.
PS: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it was possible in earlier versions of JuggAI to add volume manually. I often wished that I could add more volume for back.
We appreciate your feedback as to options that you'd love to see incorporated in EvolveAI in the future! We are absolutely working on empowering our users to make choices about their training, while still guiding the overall process with the expert system process. Keep the feedback coming! We're all evolving together and our users are an important part of that process :)
So it's good for power lifting. But is there hypertrophy programs? I'm just a dad looking to get in better shape. Is there a program for that?
Since you mentioned AMRAPs, are they also considered a benchmark set? And how would you think/calculate their stress?
AMRAPs are an option to select as a benchmark set. They are very high-stress sets because of their proximity to failure.
Thanks for the informative video. I have a question when it comes to the benchmark sets do you only suggest those for competition lists during the strength blocks ? Would you still suggest using them for the primary movement each saw ie spoto press. Also, what factors go into deciding if we were to use one benchmark set or 2 . Just personal preference?
Will you be adding Press category for people who compete in competitions that compete the Press?
Can you add warm up sets?
I’m still confused on benchmark sets vs rep max weeks…? When should I use benchmarks versus following the rep
Max weeks…?
Hi guys! Do you plan in the near future to make also the "coach" version of evolveai? i was thinking about it and it would be kinda interesting let AI programming (like its doing) and you, as a coach, adjust the parameters.
Basically a platform to manage athletes where you can use (if wanted) IA to write programs and human-coaches correct them (meanwhile IA learn what the coaches does to the athlete and somehow ask why they did that).
Managing platform for coaches powered by IA...
knowledge bombs 🔥
Should you disable benchmark during the max effort weeks?
If someone has no competitive plans, is there any way to avoid peaking and continue alternating hypertrophy/strength blocks?
Why not just skip the peaking phase
Can it do Super total?
@EvolveAI are we supposed to keep the benchmark set during the deload week? Should intensity be kept the same or reducing slightly the intensity (for example @8 to @7)?
Do you guys plan to implement the emerging strategies approach with the programming? I would assume if you were then the stress Index would have to remain constant week to week
We plan on continuing to innovate with Coach Mike Tuchscherer as we implement new programming features :)
In the meantime, we highly recommend that you check out his coaching services if you find yourself wanting more!
will the app learn an individual's metabolic and central coefficients (which may even vary from lift to lift) or are they pre-programmed in?
Great question! The metabolic and central stress coefficients at this point are mathematically baked into the system and don't change, they are constants. That said, the benchmark feature allows you to bias your training more toward metabolic stress (benchmarks turned OFF) or central stress (benchmarks turned ON). We currently account for individual user responses to overall volume, and future updates will "follow the athlete response" as Mike T. says by tracking 1RM proxies in accordance with previous training blocks.
@@EvolveAI That final point is exciting to hear. In my opinion, not looking at e1RM (and only looking at recovery) was a big shortcoming of JuggAI. Looking forward to it!
Also, wanted to say that i really appreciate this deeper dive videos that explain the programming. I think there is an audience out there that is turned off by the black box problem and this really helps to alleviate that uncertainty.
Is there an integration planned with velocity trackers? Physical ones or camera-based, That would surely take out the RPE guesswork and i don't think it's been done yet
No but that can certainly be added
Have you ever done a velocity profile before? You can create your own VBT/RPE relationship chart for each main lift to get that created for you and have the ability to combine the subjective (RPE) and objective (VBT) metrics to triangulate the decision making process for your own training
@@adamwhisler7678 yup, that would be the point
Adam is correct. All we can say for now is that the integration of disruptive technologies is accelerating quickly.
That said, RPE is a very stable construct. Check out Dr. Foster's earlier work on it: www.ajol.info/index.php/sasma/article/view/31891
As a person with a lot of responsibilities and little time, I would prefer workouts be no more than an hour. Is that achievable with Evolve Ai? I am using Juggernaut AI now and some workouts are well over an hour.
Just started using the app, what is a combo set? is it just like a superset?
very interesting, complicated but interesting
Is there a way to eliminate some of the accesories if i am to much fatigued and out of time to train?
So curiously I signed up for both Juggernaut AI and Evolve AI. And funnily enough they both have the same sign up process including the questionnaires. But I was hoping the exercises selection would be different but even that is the exact same in between the two apps. Thanks but no thanks, this turned out to be a total dud. My guess is whatever AI is behind the exercise selection it's the same in between these two apps, and probably being sold by the same software company with different people skinning some pre built software with their own branding. Gonna cancel both thanks.
The ai was built by Garret for both apps so of course it make sense it's giving you the same system. Evolve is alot cheaper tho for the same thing
Does the data set take into consideration people on peds vs not, and the experience level of the lifters? Or is it based on user feedback?
It never asks you if you’re on peds but if every week you’re getting stronger it will notice and give you bigger numbers for the backoff sets or the next session
I like the program and it introduced me to some new experiences, pendlay, but I belong to planet fitness and I thought i could transfer some exercises from free weights to my machine.
I don't think it worked and it was hard to find substitutions.
I do recommend it tho.
My only problem now is i can't find the the downgrade promt to unsubscribe before it charges me while on the 14 day free trial.
Or does it automatically unsubscribe me if I don't resubscribe for the paid version?
Just wondering. I hope someone reads this and gives me some advice.
✌️😊 and Merry Christmas.
I have the same question because it isn't straightforward about how to opt-out.
@DebraStefan hi. I can't remember the exact steps, but I went to the app and got to contact us and let them know that I was unsubscribing. I think that's how they want it done.
I hope this helps you. Have a great Christmas weekend. 🎄😊
thanks, pal! it worked!@@leodegas7731
Is the intention to keep the same benchmark sets every session of a block? When I look forward to my penultimate week of this block I see in the overview it mentions a new rep max attempt @10 but if I preview the workout it shows the same single @8 as previous weeks
Great question! The benchmark feature will replace the top set at 10. And yes, it would be most ideal to keep your benchmarks the same for the whole block. However, experiment a little bit from block to block to see what works best for you and follow the trail of your own response to training.
Where did Evolve AI come from? Stolen from Juggernaut AI wasn't it?
Nope, we came to a mutual agreement and decided to part ways. No funny business here.
Just buy books an learn it stop being lazy.
Not everybody wants to take the time to try and learn and develop their own program. It doesn’t make one lazy.
Skynet? Will def be avoiding this AI for personal (movie based) reasons.