I would add the .hack series to this list. A pseudo MMORPG with proceduraly generated dungeons where you get to keep your progress and import your save file across 4 games. Each game came with a DVD to watch an anime that took place in the real world while you play in the MMO world.
@@Gluemn Vaan and Panelo remind me of the device of having the story told through the lowliest characters, like the 2 peasants in The Hidden Fortress or the droids in Star Wars: A New Hope. (In fact, it was the peasants from Hidden Fortress who inspired R2-D2 and C-3PO.)
@@Gluemn I lost interest in 15 about halfway through and quit playing. With that said, 15’s Cid is the best Cid in the series and is worth playing for him alone.
The biggest jump in gaming had to be Super Mario 64, that completely changed the gaming landscape. But it wasn't until the latter half of the PS2's life when that change really started to get perfected and became truly innovative. It's too bad game developers got so concerned with "safe" games with predictable profits.
The ps3 is my favorite system being that i still revisit my ps2 and ps1 backlog on it. It's ashame my bc 80gb died. But a super slim with hen is more than capable, everything else i have my steam deck to run it on. Not to mention the ps3 has all those hd remasters of ps2 games.
I feel Resident Evil 4 deserves to be on here for predicting the popularity of a lot of 3rd person action shooter games, and Devil May Cry for basically kicking off the entire character action game genre, but Otherwise a good list!
Seriously they named him Shujinko? That literally means "protagonist"... Um, if it was a joke it wasn't very good, haha... Otherwise someone was in a hurry or didn't give an f, haha.
The thing people praise FFXI for is NOT that it brought MMOs to consoles...it was the fact it was THE first cross platform MMO ever made, which it is indeed. PSO was only on console. UO and EQ was only on PC...FFXI was on both PC AND console. Add to that FFXI ran a heck of a lot better with its connection and such than PSO ever did.
Final Fantasy XII was the last Final Fantasy to really have substance and depth. Everything since then has been ok. I feel Square Enix has completely abandoned this level of innovation and craft in favor of more profitable "wannabe Disney" pursuits
Afaik Suikoden 2 for the ps1 did "upgrading the town" earlier than Dark Cloud did, except that it was a castle. Also, Legend of Mana for the PS1 even did the plopping of areas on the world map earlier than DC did. But don't get me wrong, i'm not saying DC or DC2 aren't good games. So instead of Dark Cloud, i'm curious if you guys have played the game "Gun" for the PS2. It's a game that was ported/remastered for the PSP under the title "Gun: Survivor" btw. i bring this up because from what i read online, it has set the trend on how some modern day open-world shooters(like RDR) are like nowadays. But, i haven't played either Dark Cloud or Gun, just wondering if maybe Gun deserves to be on the list instead. Anyway, good vid. Thanks for recommending some games.
Thanks for the list, but come on, splinter cell in a PS2 list of games that were ahead of their time when the ps2 version was a poor man's copy of the real game on xbox...
it's always been very important to me there is so much noise all the time online these days that there has to be some places where there's respite from it
XII should've been the future of the series, such a shame as it was, indeed, ahead of its time. I've looked and looked for anything remotely similar to scratch that itch and found nothing.
it was mentioned within God Hand, the point of the video is not to just highlight all of the biggest ones that changed game design but also some of the smaller, less successful ones too
Everything the Playstation 2 did was ahead of it's time, including WASTING your time with crappy games. But good news? They had more good games than bad as all of them also? Looked stunning despite the bad gameplay. Take Gauntlet Dark Legacy, kind of crappy graphics but DIALED IN GAMEPLAY that kept you coming back for more with a soundtrack that fit the game PERFECTLY. Then take God of WAR that got the entire formula perfect with awesome graphics combined with awesome controls. Then take Half-Life, awesome graphics, killer story but iffy controls. Don't get me wrong as those IFFY controls were the best FOR THE GAME. But what really surprised me? Games using the least amount of data as far as the game? Usually preformed the BEST. Take MDK 2 Armageddon as an example as this game was made with less than a gig of files and LOOKS and CONTROLS this damn well?!? It IS a mixed bag with the Playstation 2 but for the bang for the buck? A steal even when you got a stinker of a game cause? Even badly made there was STILL fun to be had here. Dreamcast actually open the door to true 128 bit systems first, made some damn good games then went bankrupt as Sony followed suit making ever WORST games but expanded their library to cover THEIR short-comings weathering this BRUTAL corporation. Dreamcast headed out first with a good plan in place save? It also took most of the growing pains that comes with becoming a 128 bit system. It is WHY I love their version of Air Force Delta the most despite how small that game is actually and why I love their version of Soul Reaver over the actual original of the Playstation as it actually boils down to draw distance. Playstation was playing a game beyond it's hardwire as Dreamcast said? I CAN DO THAT. Ironically Sony never remade the original Soul Reaver to the Playstation 2. Guess what as an original Playstation fan? I noticed. Dreamcast for a short while was my go to console until I realized Sega? Abandoned it's own hardware. They had a good thing going as I WISHED they had MORE FAITH in their own hardware as I know for a fact...it would of turned around IF they gave their own system a chance. Minor note, original controller with ONLY one analog stick? BAD IDEA as you should of ate that bitter pill and had TWO which is the NORM for today's games. Almost like they IGNORED the Nintendo 64 growing pains. Common sense dictates you are playing fully three-D games? You need at least TWO analogue sticks... one for movement and one for looking. ANY OTHER formula is just... bad. MDK 2 on the Dreamcast PROVED that point as suddenly? I HAD to look around with my controller's buttons?!? With ONLY one analog stick? Looking should of automatically went to that stick save? Suddenly we are playing this game with BACKWARDS controls than we are used to as lefties celebrate. Not saying impossible for us righties but a HARD reflex to get over on as you EVENTUALLY adapt to the controls.
I find your political views on politicians being required to wield katanas dangerous and insensitive. Obviously im joking, but with how worked up people get over politics i feel like i have to disclose that im joking
02:40 REALLY DISLIKE THIS FALSE TAKE ON KOJIMA. People please, the taught proking ideas you see in Kojimas games are not his own. Since Kojima is a very educated person that actually reads books he incorporates ideas from other people/author into his games. That you as a player discover them on a Kojima game doesnt make it an original idea. So whats the big deal? Basically that people who believes this PROPHET KOJIMA nonsense, are giving ZERO credit to the minds that actually came up with these things.
obviously I am talking about Metal Gear Solid 2's prescience in the context of *video games* in a video about *video games* do you remember any of the same themes in Herdy Gerdy?
@@CulturedVultures Thats the point. These ideas didnt originate in the videogame medium. And these games are not giving gamers the clues or tools to know were they actually came from. And thats problematic to some extent. The comment intent wasnt to personally attack you but give a bit of perspective, maybe someone that read the message would start diging up a bit more about the themes in these games.
It is what I wanted, and nothing else…. Well, except maybe a promise of Rescue Mission coming to PSVR2. Love the game though, and watching this video makes me so glad we love it as much as we do. (We being me and my 2 daughters!)
When games were created and played simply the love of gaming. We're just starting to find our way back... Addendum- MGS2 was terrible. The only thing it deserves is to remember how close it came to destroying the series. MGS3 was king.
MGS2 was covering ground that was considered conspiracy theories for decades. The fact people think the predicting anything shows just how much people don't play attention or read, ironically proving the point of the game how people can be manipulated by factions vying for power. And it was talking about propaganda, "fake news" simply stands for when someone is calling out a news organization for pushing it.
50 BEST PS2 GAMES OF ALL TIME: th-cam.com/video/33nAfJT5eFE/w-d-xo.html
Final Fantasy XII remains my favorite FF game, hugely underrated.
I see you’re 15 and raise you 10!!!
dude, thank you so much! appreciate you!
I would add the .hack series to this list. A pseudo MMORPG with proceduraly generated dungeons where you get to keep your progress and import your save file across 4 games. Each game came with a DVD to watch an anime that took place in the real world while you play in the MMO world.
Glad to see Final Fantasy XII get some love. It's my personal favorite thanks to the gambit system. I would love more games like that.
Same here!
I loved the gambit system and put so much time into it. I found the story a total bore though, even with great characters like Balthier.
@@Gluemn Vaan and Panelo remind me of the device of having the story told through the lowliest characters, like the 2 peasants in The Hidden Fortress or the droids in Star Wars: A New Hope. (In fact, it was the peasants from Hidden Fortress who inspired R2-D2 and C-3PO.)
@@Gluemn I lost interest in 15 about halfway through and quit playing. With that said, 15’s Cid is the best Cid in the series and is worth playing for him alone.
OHMYGOSH!!! A new video!!! :D
Mr J you are keeping us in business hahaha, thanks so much!
@@CulturedVultures anytime, man! Trying to support you whatever I can!:)
Drop some more games that were ahead of their time in the comments and they could be featured in PS2 Games WAY Ahead of Their Time 2: Sons of Liberty!
Everything Kojima. He even predicted covid lockdowns with Death Stranding
I wrote a lengthy explanation in another comment here, but the .hack series of games!
Late ps2 was the absolute peak of gaming
I love MK: DECEPTION. It's a nostalgic game for me. I wish I could run like Shujinko does in this game but in real life. It'd be fun.
Imagine a Mortal Kombat Armageddon REMAKE with modern visuals. Onaga would look amazing.
Dark Cloud mentioned!!! Absolutely adore this game. It's such a shame it's not more popular!
I love this topic endlessly, and it really points you in some interesting directions for games worth a second look.
The biggest jump in gaming had to be Super Mario 64, that completely changed the gaming landscape. But it wasn't until the latter half of the PS2's life when that change really started to get perfected and became truly innovative. It's too bad game developers got so concerned with "safe" games with predictable profits.
Oh wow, was that clip of Heavy Rain from the Two Best Friends playthrough of it? I immediately recognize it!
You killed me with the way you said "got him".
The ps3 is my favorite system being that i still revisit my ps2 and ps1 backlog on it. It's ashame my bc 80gb died. But a super slim with hen is more than capable, everything else i have my steam deck to run it on. Not to mention the ps3 has all those hd remasters of ps2 games.
So many cool games thanks for recommendations!
can't get enough of your videos. They just dont make games like they used to!
I feel Resident Evil 4 deserves to be on here for predicting the popularity of a lot of 3rd person action shooter games, and Devil May Cry for basically kicking off the entire character action game genre, but Otherwise a good list!
Even though it’s on PS2. I feel it’s more of a GameCube game. I also think of Splinter Cell as more of an Xbox game.
@@Gluemn oh yes.
Seriously they named him Shujinko? That literally means "protagonist"... Um, if it was a joke it wasn't very good, haha... Otherwise someone was in a hurry or didn't give an f, haha.
The thing people praise FFXI for is NOT that it brought MMOs to consoles...it was the fact it was THE first cross platform MMO ever made, which it is indeed. PSO was only on console. UO and EQ was only on PC...FFXI was on both PC AND console. Add to that FFXI ran a heck of a lot better with its connection and such than PSO ever did.
Saving this for when I finally upgrade my phone (iPhone 13 pro) and get the next new red magic phone
Still hoping God Hand gets ported to Nintendo Switch and other modern platforms.
I love Winback. Clunky as it is I just think it's fun!
Imagine a Mortal Kombat Armageddon REMAKE with modern visuals. Onaga would look amazing.
Odin Sphere would fit here. It's circular maps are unique as is the gameplay.
Final Fantasy XII was the last Final Fantasy to really have substance and depth. Everything since then has been ok. I feel Square Enix has completely abandoned this level of innovation and craft in favor of more profitable "wannabe Disney" pursuits
FF12 is my 2nd favorite Final Fantasy. FF7 is, and always will be, THE GOAT 🐐
Is there any topic Jimmy won’t be able to bring up F-Zero in?
let's try
Afaik Suikoden 2 for the ps1 did "upgrading the town" earlier than Dark Cloud did, except that it was a castle. Also, Legend of Mana for the PS1 even did the plopping of areas on the world map earlier than DC did. But don't get me wrong, i'm not saying DC or DC2 aren't good games.
So instead of Dark Cloud, i'm curious if you guys have played the game "Gun" for the PS2. It's a game that was ported/remastered for the PSP under the title "Gun: Survivor" btw. i bring this up because from what i read online, it has set the trend on how some modern day open-world shooters(like RDR) are like nowadays. But, i haven't played either Dark Cloud or Gun, just wondering if maybe Gun deserves to be on the list instead.
Anyway, good vid. Thanks for recommending some games.
Yes, big Gunjammers over here! It's v much proto-RDR and well worth a razz
@@CulturedVultures Good to know. Thanks!
Kinda surprised RE outbreak wasn't on here
What’s this music from it’s driving me crazy
Ok it’s bully. Phew!
haha same, I was about to ask if it was from bully and then I see the response.
Thanks for the list, but come on, splinter cell in a PS2 list of games that were ahead of their time when the ps2 version was a poor man's copy of the real game on xbox...
PS2 RPGs way ahead of their time
IGN should've gone out of business when they reviewed #3.
Also, #3 is #3. I see what you did there.
I will never forgiver ign for that god hand’s rating
How can u not include Red Faction and Shadow of Rome?
I have yet to get a Vult Vault video in my recommendations since I subscribed. 🙄
Mad respect for staying apolitical. So hard nowadays.
it's always been very important to me
there is so much noise all the time online these days that there has to be some places where there's respite from it
Never play metal gear solid before, should i play the ps2 version or hd collection on the vita?
If you're going to play it for the first time, definitely recommend a TV experience!
@@CulturedVultures thanks, will definitely try that
Jealous. You're in for an absolute wwww.....whipper of a time.
Great 💯 Ps2
Best of Best ❤❤
XII should've been the future of the series, such a shame as it was, indeed, ahead of its time. I've looked and looked for anything remotely similar to scratch that itch and found nothing.
Thought it was funny you said a game "whips" right after refusing to say "sus!"
I actually invented "whips" actually
@@CulturedVultures You can whip me anytime.
i can't find a playable ff11 because it's online only game😢🙏
Not mentioning RE4 is like a hate crime or some shit. That game only changed everything. God hand mention is cool tho
it was mentioned within God Hand, the point of the video is not to just highlight all of the biggest ones that changed game design but also some of the smaller, less successful ones too
Still the best ❤❤❤
lol @ the kontent part
Video games used to be so whimsical. I miss seeing crazy shit like God Hand 🥲
So?
I am 33 and I say "Sus" sometimes.
By that way with your voice I thought you where far more older than me.
Common "modern audience" devs, get the hint. Take the chance to learn SOMETHING (anything..) here. 🥴
Final Fantasy 12 and the world of ivalice is my favorite by far the rest are crappy too 🤷🏿♂️ love the story of 9 and 7 tho
Everything the Playstation 2 did was ahead of it's time, including WASTING your time with crappy games. But good news? They had more good games than bad as all of them also? Looked stunning despite the bad gameplay. Take Gauntlet Dark Legacy, kind of crappy graphics but DIALED IN GAMEPLAY that kept you coming back for more with a soundtrack that fit the game PERFECTLY. Then take God of WAR that got the entire formula perfect with awesome graphics combined with awesome controls. Then take Half-Life, awesome graphics, killer story but iffy controls. Don't get me wrong as those IFFY controls were the best FOR THE GAME. But what really surprised me? Games using the least amount of data as far as the game? Usually preformed the BEST. Take MDK 2 Armageddon as an example as this game was made with less than a gig of files and LOOKS and CONTROLS this damn well?!? It IS a mixed bag with the Playstation 2 but for the bang for the buck? A steal even when you got a stinker of a game cause? Even badly made there was STILL fun to be had here. Dreamcast actually open the door to true 128 bit systems first, made some damn good games then went bankrupt as Sony followed suit making ever WORST games but expanded their library to cover THEIR short-comings weathering this BRUTAL corporation. Dreamcast headed out first with a good plan in place save? It also took most of the growing pains that comes with becoming a 128 bit system. It is WHY I love their version of Air Force Delta the most despite how small that game is actually and why I love their version of Soul Reaver over the actual original of the Playstation as it actually boils down to draw distance. Playstation was playing a game beyond it's hardwire as Dreamcast said? I CAN DO THAT. Ironically Sony never remade the original Soul Reaver to the Playstation 2. Guess what as an original Playstation fan? I noticed. Dreamcast for a short while was my go to console until I realized Sega? Abandoned it's own hardware. They had a good thing going as I WISHED they had MORE FAITH in their own hardware as I know for a fact...it would of turned around IF they gave their own system a chance. Minor note, original controller with ONLY one analog stick? BAD IDEA as you should of ate that bitter pill and had TWO which is the NORM for today's games. Almost like they IGNORED the Nintendo 64 growing pains. Common sense dictates you are playing fully three-D games? You need at least TWO analogue sticks... one for movement and one for looking. ANY OTHER formula is just... bad. MDK 2 on the Dreamcast PROVED that point as suddenly? I HAD to look around with my controller's buttons?!? With ONLY one analog stick? Looking should of automatically went to that stick save? Suddenly we are playing this game with BACKWARDS controls than we are used to as lefties celebrate. Not saying impossible for us righties but a HARD reflex to get over on as you EVENTUALLY adapt to the controls.
I find your political views on politicians being required to wield katanas dangerous and insensitive.
Obviously im joking, but with how worked up people get over politics i feel like i have to disclose that im joking
Bring Dark Cloud 1+2 to the Switch, you Sony cowards!!!
02:40 REALLY DISLIKE THIS FALSE TAKE ON KOJIMA. People please, the taught proking ideas you see in Kojimas games are not his own. Since Kojima is a very educated person that actually reads books he incorporates ideas from other people/author into his games. That you as a player discover them on a Kojima game doesnt make it an original idea.
So whats the big deal? Basically that people who believes this PROPHET KOJIMA nonsense, are giving ZERO credit to the minds that actually came up with these things.
obviously I am talking about Metal Gear Solid 2's prescience in the context of *video games* in a video about *video games*
do you remember any of the same themes in Herdy Gerdy?
@@CulturedVultures Thats the point. These ideas didnt originate in the videogame medium. And these games are not giving gamers the clues or tools to know were they actually came from. And thats problematic to some extent. The comment intent wasnt to personally attack you but give a bit of perspective, maybe someone that read the message would start diging up a bit more about the themes in these games.
It is what I wanted, and nothing else…. Well, except maybe a promise of Rescue Mission coming to PSVR2. Love the game though, and watching this video makes me so glad we love it as much as we do. (We being me and my 2 daughters!)
I really do hope they port Rescue Mission, far too many people slept on it!
Oh screw Indigo. That was a boring movie with the occasional QTE. The only thing they pioneered was dumping all their budget into marketing.
bud I gotta tell ya, that was one eye-opening, wild game as a kid
MSG2 was a bait and switch. Only play snake for 1 level. The plot didn't have much of anything. But the gameplay was solid.
FF 12 > FF 10
🦤 👍
When games were created and played simply the love of gaming. We're just starting to find our way back...
Addendum- MGS2 was terrible. The only thing it deserves is to remember how close it came to destroying the series. MGS3 was king.
hi :D UwU
MGS2 was covering ground that was considered conspiracy theories for decades. The fact people think the predicting anything shows just how much people don't play attention or read, ironically proving the point of the game how people can be manipulated by factions vying for power. And it was talking about propaganda, "fake news" simply stands for when someone is calling out a news organization for pushing it.