It has been brought to my attention that the AP vs DR assumption I make in this video is wrong. The formula is not as simple as taking your total AP and comparing it against opponents DR. You also must factor human damage in to the DR check. www.reddit.com/r/blackdesertonline/comments/1ews78o/pvp_damage_formula_reversed_pvp_damage_calculator/ TL/DR: I was wrong about the AP vs DR interaction but in an evasion build will continue to value strict AP vs human damage. However when it comes to my DR builds that I touched on later in the video I think it's safe to assume that you can bypass most people DR check with 5 debo+nouver so then RBF Vipers, Glorious Olucas will be more of a priority. th-cam.com/video/6R0zkgtJURw/w-d-xo.html - video explaining the below formulas and providing a calculator to use for yourself For example, let's assume the defender is hard cap DR player at 800 DR (easily obtainable with 1 Cadry DR build). Let's say you have 700 AP or 750AP. How much human damage is needed to pass the DR check in this situation? Let's call human damage (HD) variable X. Scenario 1: 700 AP vs 800 DR 1) 700 AP + X HD - 800DR < 700*(.05) 2) X HD - 100 < 35 3) X HD < 135 In this situation you would need more than 135 human damage to pass the DR check. If you had say, 100 human damage baked in your build, you'd fail this DR check and the human damage you have will be ignored. Scenario 2: 750 AP vs 800 DR 1) 750 AP + X HD - 800DR < 750*(.05) 2) X HD - 50 < 37.5 3) X HD < 87.5 In this situation you would need more than 87.5 human damage to pass the DR check (47.5 less than the above). If you had 100 human damage, you'd pass this DR check and the human damage you have will be additive to your total damage. Conclusion: Does the above conclusions change how I would build my crystals? Short answer, maybe for my DR builds, but unlikely for my evasion builds. Why? It comes down to how much human damage is available through crystals and artifacts. Excluding buffs, addons, and niche builds that run C20 Kzarka/Dande if you use RBF Vipers x 2 (20 HD) , Red Spirit x 2 (6 HD), RBF Carmae's x 2 (16), Glorious Olucas x 2 (14), the Wilds: Human Damage (24) = 80 human damage. Factor in all species damage of +28 the maximum amount of total human damage that iI've found possible is 108. With buffs such as harmony (+11 HD) or Indignation (+25 HD) the highest level would be 133 human damage. Most evasion build's total AP caps out around 700 -- and hybrid well below around 650-670. Prior to this knowledge, I'd run RBF Vipers/Glorious Olucas in those hybrid builds. But definitely that is no longer the case. I appreciate all the feedback and for catching my error, just shows that my channel is attracting like minded people.
Just wanna add that the human damage will help you overcome the breakpoint. So for example 600ap+50humandmg vs 649dr would still break trough the enemy dr. You just have really low dmg still as you attack with 1 AP. If it would be 600ap +48human dmg vs 649DR yes the human dmg is ignored as you are under the breakpoint anyway. So rbf viper would be really good option as they give 10 humandmg per crystal.
My ap 317 using1 pcs pen disto Now i change to pen Narc earring and 309 /311 ap,422 dp The question how you can get 649 dr 😂 or you have discord? Im returning player after 2 years not play
Hey @SulfurMinerBDO, thanks for the clarification. Based on reddit's OP discussion with Alien Turtle we are both slightly wrong -- you are closer to the correct idea tho. In the above case the math looks something like this apparently, assuming you have 600 AP, 50 Human DMG, and Opponent has 649 DR. 600 AP + 50HD - 649DR < 600*(.05) 650 - 649 < 30 1 < 30, means human damage is ignored in this case and only 600 AP is accounted for.
I jumped to conclusions on a couple of things regarding total AP vs total DR. TL/DR: RBF Vipers (10 Human DMG), Glorious Olucas (2% atk speed,7 human dmg) will probably be something I play around with in my full AP builds assuming they are able to break the DR check at end game.
@@Gaussen yes, after I made this video I bought two more abundance crystals (5 DR, no limit) and replaced the Hp crystals. The tradeoff is 10 DR vs 1700 HP. I think it's worth for me since I don't have a lot of healing baked into my kit.
Thanks Verdict! A mistake has been brought to my attention regarding the PvP damage formula that I missed. Overall, it'll change some of the DR builds since most of the Evasion builds I believe have a higher chance of failing the DR check even with the correct formula.
www.reddit.com/r/blackdesertonline/comments/1ews78o/pvp_damage_formula_reversed_pvp_damage_calculator/ I made a mistake on how total AP vs total DR interacts, check pinned comment that I will be adding.
Hi, thats not what the doc says, it says that if AP + HD - DR is same/less than AP*5%, HD dosnt count and ur dmg will be calculated as AP*5% instead, but HD helps to break the DR the same way that AP does, so dosnt matter if u use AP or HD if u break his DR and its greater than ap*5%, and if u dont break his DR u want to stack AP cause HD will be useless Example from doc owner 700 AP + 0 HD Attacker vs 800 DR Defender (700+0-800 is lower than 700*5%) 700 AP + 100 HD Attacker vs 800 DR Defender (700+100-800 is lower than 700*5%) 700 AP + 150 HD Attacker vs 800 DR Defender (700+150-800 is greater than 700*5%) 1 and 2 will deal the same damage (35), while 3 will deal greater damage (50) Anyways i dont know if we should trust a random reddit post calculations
Thanks for the clarification, I assumed one of the main reasons this change was implemented was to kill hybrid evasion builds that run swaps like centaur sicil. I will update this in description/comments
@@Travesty NP, ur right anyways if ur running a evasion build with low ap, ur ap*5 will be greater against tanky dr targets so human damage is pretty much useless in those builds, but again i dont know if those calcultations from reddit are 100% fiable
Excuse me , how do you get 100+ DR vs Musa with Same Crystal Setup and Same full set Armor TET ? I have full buff on too ( church , tent , vell ) can't reach this DR . I look you have 2 DR melee artifact but where are the other 100+ DR if we run the same build ?
@@richardpwrlifter awa mystic ebuff ap does not stack with spiral. so ebuff is effectively only 4 ap increase whereas other classes have melee ap self buff and all ap ebuff or vice versa where they do stack
I haven't checked it out, but IMO downsmash is a gimmicky thing given that it only has 30% chance regardless of resists and only really useful in 1v1 situations. Can be useful in group, but most of our downsmashes are unprotected in succ mystic kit so you are not likely to risk it to potentially reset someone in a group situation.
@@chadlife5573 ultimate macalods have 3 hidden ap. The set effect gives plus 5. You need to run 2 or 4 set to get the benefits. 2 sets = 11 ap, 4 set=22 ap. 12 hidden AP, 10 ap from set bonus.
Human damage ceasing to work if your AP is lower than their DP seems like a pretty big claim. Any source? Because if thats true: 650ap and 110 human damage will deal the same damage as 651ap 0 human damage If the enemy has 660 dr
I made a mistake on the calculation. In order for 650 AP + 110 Human Damage to do the same as 651 AP + 0 Human Damage the total of AP + Human Dmg - DR must be less than AP*(.05). So the DR check in this situation would look like: 650 AP + 110 HD - X DR < 650*.05 760 - X DR < 32.5 727.5 < X DR So based on the above, if you hit 728 DR and are fighting someone with the above stats. The person with human damage crystals in does less damage because he fails the DR check.
@@Travesty something that would be useful would be to show breakpoints for every 10 AP since you just mentioned that 650 ap fails against 730 dr, but wins against 720 dr you should create a document on excel with that formula, and then put all the total AP values from 600-900, and then drag the formula down from the corner, so that it re-does the calculation for every AP, and then we can see which level of DR completely nullifies that level of AP.
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It has been brought to my attention that the AP vs DR assumption I make in this video is wrong. The formula is not as simple as taking your total AP and comparing it against opponents DR. You also must factor human damage in to the DR check. www.reddit.com/r/blackdesertonline/comments/1ews78o/pvp_damage_formula_reversed_pvp_damage_calculator/
TL/DR: I was wrong about the AP vs DR interaction but in an evasion build will continue to value strict AP vs human damage. However when it comes to my DR builds that I touched on later in the video I think it's safe to assume that you can bypass most people DR check with 5 debo+nouver so then RBF Vipers, Glorious Olucas will be more of a priority.
th-cam.com/video/6R0zkgtJURw/w-d-xo.html - video explaining the below formulas and providing a calculator to use for yourself
For example, let's assume the defender is hard cap DR player at 800 DR (easily obtainable with 1 Cadry DR build). Let's say you have 700 AP or 750AP. How much human damage is needed to pass the DR check in this situation? Let's call human damage (HD) variable X.
Scenario 1: 700 AP vs 800 DR
1) 700 AP + X HD - 800DR < 700*(.05)
2) X HD - 100 < 35
3) X HD < 135
In this situation you would need more than 135 human damage to pass the DR check. If you had say, 100 human damage baked in your build, you'd fail this DR check and the human damage you have will be ignored.
Scenario 2: 750 AP vs 800 DR
1) 750 AP + X HD - 800DR < 750*(.05)
2) X HD - 50 < 37.5
3) X HD < 87.5
In this situation you would need more than 87.5 human damage to pass the DR check (47.5 less than the above). If you had 100 human damage, you'd pass this DR check and the human damage you have will be additive to your total damage.
Conclusion: Does the above conclusions change how I would build my crystals? Short answer, maybe for my DR builds, but unlikely for my evasion builds. Why? It comes down to how much human damage is available through crystals and artifacts. Excluding buffs, addons, and niche builds that run C20 Kzarka/Dande if you use RBF Vipers x 2 (20 HD) , Red Spirit x 2 (6 HD), RBF Carmae's x 2 (16), Glorious Olucas x 2 (14), the Wilds: Human Damage (24) = 80 human damage. Factor in all species damage of +28 the maximum amount of total human damage that iI've found possible is 108. With buffs such as harmony (+11 HD) or Indignation (+25 HD) the highest level would be 133 human damage. Most evasion build's total AP caps out around 700 -- and hybrid well below around 650-670. Prior to this knowledge, I'd run RBF Vipers/Glorious Olucas in those hybrid builds. But definitely that is no longer the case. I appreciate all the feedback and for catching my error, just shows that my channel is attracting like minded people.
I learned so much from this video. Never knew how important knowing this stuff was in pvp.
Just wanna add that the human damage will help you overcome the breakpoint. So for example 600ap+50humandmg vs 649dr would still break trough the enemy dr. You just have really low dmg still as you attack with 1 AP. If it would be 600ap +48human dmg vs 649DR yes the human dmg is ignored as you are under the breakpoint anyway. So rbf viper would be really good option as they give 10 humandmg per crystal.
My ap 317 using1 pcs pen disto
Now i change to pen Narc earring and 309 /311 ap,422 dp
The question how you can get 649 dr 😂 or you have discord? Im returning player after 2 years not play
Hey @SulfurMinerBDO, thanks for the clarification. Based on reddit's OP discussion with Alien Turtle we are both slightly wrong -- you are closer to the correct idea tho.
In the above case the math looks something like this apparently, assuming you have 600 AP, 50 Human DMG, and Opponent has 649 DR.
600 AP + 50HD - 649DR < 600*(.05)
650 - 649 < 30
1 < 30, means human damage is ignored in this case and only 600 AP is accounted for.
@@Travesty what is the coefficient 0.05 (5%)?
this is guide i looking for, you explained it so well.
I jumped to conclusions on a couple of things regarding total AP vs total DR. TL/DR: RBF Vipers (10 Human DMG), Glorious Olucas (2% atk speed,7 human dmg) will probably be something I play around with in my full AP builds assuming they are able to break the DR check at end game.
@@Travesty triple armor crystal for tanky build, i think it's worth to reconsider it over jin hp.
@@Gaussen yes, after I made this video I bought two more abundance crystals (5 DR, no limit) and replaced the Hp crystals. The tradeoff is 10 DR vs 1700 HP. I think it's worth for me since I don't have a lot of healing baked into my kit.
Listen to this man, he knows what he's talking about!
Thanks Verdict! A mistake has been brought to my attention regarding the PvP damage formula that I missed. Overall, it'll change some of the DR builds since most of the Evasion builds I believe have a higher chance of failing the DR check even with the correct formula.
Great vid trav
@@chaosRonin thanks fellow awa mystic
thx for vod
Nice vid bro :)
is full ap + human dmg viable ? like 870 PA PVP with 500 dr.
jsut depends on who you fihgt usually, def sounds solid in msot situations
Great vid, very helpful. Would you mind linking the source material for the AP/DR interactions?
www.reddit.com/r/blackdesertonline/comments/1ews78o/pvp_damage_formula_reversed_pvp_damage_calculator/
I made a mistake on how total AP vs total DR interacts, check pinned comment that I will be adding.
Nice 🙌🏿
Hi, thats not what the doc says, it says that if AP + HD - DR is same/less than AP*5%, HD dosnt count and ur dmg will be calculated as AP*5% instead, but HD helps to break the DR the same way that AP does, so dosnt matter if u use AP or HD if u break his DR and its greater than ap*5%, and if u dont break his DR u want to stack AP cause HD will be useless
Example from doc owner
700 AP + 0 HD Attacker vs 800 DR Defender (700+0-800 is lower than 700*5%)
700 AP + 100 HD Attacker vs 800 DR Defender (700+100-800 is lower than 700*5%)
700 AP + 150 HD Attacker vs 800 DR Defender (700+150-800 is greater than 700*5%)
1 and 2 will deal the same damage (35), while 3 will deal greater damage (50)
Anyways i dont know if we should trust a random reddit post calculations
Thanks for the clarification, I assumed one of the main reasons this change was implemented was to kill hybrid evasion builds that run swaps like centaur sicil. I will update this in description/comments
@@Travesty NP, ur right anyways if ur running a evasion build with low ap, ur ap*5 will be greater against tanky dr targets so human damage is pretty much useless in those builds, but again i dont know if those calcultations from reddit are 100% fiable
@@sergio-ri4vy Appreciate your comment, I would not have known otherwise. Thanks again for the help
Excuse me , how do you get 100+ DR vs Musa with Same Crystal Setup and Same full set Armor TET ? I have full buff on too ( church , tent , vell ) can't reach this DR . I look you have 2 DR melee artifact but where are the other 100+ DR if we run the same build ?
@@richardpwrlifter not sure, could be a crystal set up thing, I also have house buff Dr addon up and innate Dr due to passive
@@Travesty oh that why , DR E buff .
For me is unbalance because the DR E Buff value more than AP E Buff .
@@richardpwrlifter awa mystic ebuff ap does not stack with spiral. so ebuff is effectively only 4 ap increase whereas other classes have melee ap self buff and all ap ebuff or vice versa where they do stack
I mostly pve play succ zerk is it okay to tag striker with dr glove and shoe? Specifically in end game spots ulikita and odraxia spots
Yup, DR build is by far the more effective build for most classes, especially striker.
What do you think about the last global lab change down smash on succ mystic ?
I haven't checked it out, but IMO downsmash is a gimmicky thing given that it only has 30% chance regardless of resists and only really useful in 1v1 situations. Can be useful in group, but most of our downsmashes are unprotected in succ mystic kit so you are not likely to risk it to potentially reset someone in a group situation.
is there a hidden AP in macalods? I calculated the total ap and it only give +12. tried it in game with and without, still 12
@@chadlife5573 ultimate macalods have 3 hidden ap. The set effect gives plus 5. You need to run 2 or 4 set to get the benefits. 2 sets = 11 ap, 4 set=22 ap. 12 hidden AP, 10 ap from set bonus.
Damn you're so geared
this was a gear flex video ngl
Human damage ceasing to work if your AP is lower than their DP seems like a pretty big claim.
Any source?
Because if thats true:
650ap and 110 human damage
will deal the same damage as
651ap 0 human damage
If the enemy has 660 dr
I made a mistake on the calculation. In order for 650 AP + 110 Human Damage to do the same as 651 AP + 0 Human Damage the total of AP + Human Dmg - DR must be less than AP*(.05).
So the DR check in this situation would look like:
650 AP + 110 HD - X DR < 650*.05
760 - X DR < 32.5
727.5 < X DR
So based on the above, if you hit 728 DR and are fighting someone with the above stats. The person with human damage crystals in does less damage because he fails the DR check.
@@Travesty thanks for that info fam
@@Travesty something that would be useful would be to show breakpoints for every 10 AP
since you just mentioned that 650 ap fails against 730 dr, but wins against 720 dr you should create a document on excel with that formula, and then put all the total AP values from 600-900, and then drag the formula down from the corner, so that it re-does the calculation for every AP, and then we can see which level of DR completely nullifies that level of AP.
@@ROACH123_ check out my latest video. It’s similar to your idea but more manual
bro how many days you have you have all gear in the game
too many, too many
i know nothing about this... just got crystals in storage.. been playing 2+ months...
Still a new gamer, enjoy it while you can.
I thought this game already dead after the greatest guild in the world was disbanded. 🤔
Pvp outside safe zones are dead to be specific
Pve is fine arena of solare is fine and other things other than PK
@@jibbygibs25 so, my question this game is dead or not?
@@MrGustavoFringW nope,
It's definitely having one of its down swings but pve grinders still grinding
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