Well, his meter is not perfect, and this clip highlights that. But that's what makes this music so great - it's not perfect, because it's not created using computers. Just real musicians performing live in a studio, which is/was a wonderful thing. It gives this music a depth and vibe that today's music is sorely lacking
@jim2lane his meter IS dead on with the bass and rhythm guitar, which is more important than being able to set him to a metronome today. You can quantize old recordings all day long and the perfect time will make the track sound like stiff ass. Eddie is dead in the pocket of the song. By your measure NOBODY had perfect time back then. Put the click away and enjoy the music.
@@thomassullivan9692 putting the click away is exactly what I was advocating for. It's hard to tell whether he was changing his tempo to match the rest of the band or if it was vice versa, but like I said, this is infinitely better than the crap you hear today
@jim2lane I misunderstood you and apologize for coming down on you. Yes, no clicks back then and the music felt much more human. Eddie sounds like he was locked onto Mike's guitar and Chip's bass. I try to record live as much as possible the entire rhythm section, but usually have to play to a click track when a producer/engineer is building a track.
Nez's use of a 12-string really let him cover a lot of territory. It's interesting to hear it isolated from the banjo. There are parts on both tracks that I have mistook for the other for years. There's an extra "shine" to the electric banjo which makes me think he and/or Chip wanted a different sound/effect than what Peter would have provided with an acoustic banjo. I think that gets at what Nez has said about it being more a "Bakersfield" country than a "Nashville" country song. An acoustic banjo would make it sound rootsier or grounded in a bluegrass tradition. For a four-piece band, lead singer and three harmony vocals it's pretty incredible how *full* this recording sounds. One of the absolute best performances by all involved, a perfect 10.
chip Douglas knew what he was doing i heard all his talk back from the control room every call he made was dead on an asset for sure,,he knew what worked and what did nt ,,,,which is the producers job,,and alot of musicians have ideas that wont work,,,,,,we all know that
These deconstruction videos are so great. Mickey Dolenz could / can play! There is one vocals only isolated of the Beatles..no insteuments or fans screaming that is sooo great
i always thought the banjo part was electric guitar, it's very distorted i always absolutely loved this song though, side 2 of Pisces is absolutely stacked
Banjo was recorded with an electric pick up. That's why it sounded like electric guitar. As a producer, musician and sound engineer, I would never do that. The acoustic sound of the banjo should have been preserved and recorded with a large condenser.
I do like the sound of some pickuped acoustic instruments like the Gibson J160E that John Lennon used, but nowadays pickuped acoustic models often use really weird pickups that cause me to despise their sound
It’s always bugged me that Peter didn’t play banjo or this. And know it’s likely because he and Mike were at odds especially during this time. But still
Wow, where did you read that? I can't afford those Andrew Sandoval books. She was a real 'piece of work!' Phyllis should have beat the crap out of her- I would have!
Is Doug Dillard playin a Rickenbacker banjo? I know they had an electric around this time...the Banjotar I think? Ive seen pics of Rog McGuinn playin one with the Gram Parsons country Byrds.
I know that Peter was by far the best musician in the band but I’m not sure that there are any examples of him playing any banjo parts as complex as that one? That is just my opinion and I’m also sure that given the time and opportunity Peter might have been able to get it done! 💪
@@septylite In my opinion You Told Me is the absolute example of the value of Peter's banjo to the band! As I commented on that deconstruction, it is ironic and touching that Nez, after Peter passed, acknowledged how completely struck he was by the sound of Peter's banjo juxtaposed against the Gretsch 12string. Still, to my ear that part is far less complex than What Am I Doin'. I also don't play banjo but play a handful of other stringed instruments. In the end, I cannot thank you enough for all of the work that you do to deliver the music that means so much to so many of us!!!
Listen to Peter play Cripple Creek on their live stuff and you realize he was damn good and could have played on this. The fact that we never really get an explanation for it makes me think Mike and Peter had a personal thing at the time that got in the way, but who knows
It's hard to tell. Before I would've said No but now I can very slightly hear a much deeper voice in the mix--it sounds a little too deep for Peter though weirdly enough.
By the time of PACJ the Monkees were working as primary musicians on their albums, while incorporating some outside musicians. The Wrecking Crew were no longer recording all of their music.
ringo is better ,,micky was an actor he just learned ,,micky was a talented dude,but as a drummer,,he's no edy ho and he knows that,,and im not knocking him mickey is very talented
Eddie Hoh was a machine!
Well, his meter is not perfect, and this clip highlights that. But that's what makes this music so great - it's not perfect, because it's not created using computers. Just real musicians performing live in a studio, which is/was a wonderful thing. It gives this music a depth and vibe that today's music is sorely lacking
@jim2lane his meter IS dead on with the bass and rhythm guitar, which is more important than being able to set him to a metronome today. You can quantize old recordings all day long and the perfect time will make the track sound like stiff ass. Eddie is dead in the pocket of the song. By your measure NOBODY had perfect time back then. Put the click away and enjoy the music.
@@thomassullivan9692 putting the click away is exactly what I was advocating for. It's hard to tell whether he was changing his tempo to match the rest of the band or if it was vice versa, but like I said, this is infinitely better than the crap you hear today
@jim2lane I misunderstood you and apologize for coming down on you. Yes, no clicks back then and the music felt much more human. Eddie sounds like he was locked onto Mike's guitar and Chip's bass. I try to record live as much as possible the entire rhythm section, but usually have to play to a click track when a producer/engineer is building a track.
@@thomassullivan9692 it's all good my man! And best of luck during your recording sessions 😉
Nesmith at his finest. Always love listening and singing along when I'm in my car.
One of my favorite Nez vocals! And those harmonies man... Peak Monkees
great nez tune,,the godfather of country rock
I consider this to be the best of Nez's Monkees era vocals. It's truly poignant and I don't think anyone else could have sung it quite this way.
Nez's use of a 12-string really let him cover a lot of territory. It's interesting to hear it isolated from the banjo. There are parts on both tracks that I have mistook for the other for years. There's an extra "shine" to the electric banjo which makes me think he and/or Chip wanted a different sound/effect than what Peter would have provided with an acoustic banjo. I think that gets at what Nez has said about it being more a "Bakersfield" country than a "Nashville" country song. An acoustic banjo would make it sound rootsier or grounded in a bluegrass tradition. For a four-piece band, lead singer and three harmony vocals it's pretty incredible how *full* this recording sounds. One of the absolute best performances by all involved, a perfect 10.
chip Douglas knew what he was doing i heard all his talk back from the control room every call he made was dead on an asset for sure,,he knew what worked and what did nt ,,,,which is the producers job,,and alot of musicians have ideas that wont work,,,,,,we all know that
That's an astute comment. I've heard Nez do classic bluegrass songs but you're right, that's not what he and Chip were doing here.
It's a six-string.
Nice, I was looking forward to this one! Can't wait for Pleasant Valley Sunday :^)
Such a great vocal from Mike and and backing from Eddie & Chip!👍👍
Oh that vocal blend, so beautiful
This is awesome! Can't wait for Daily Nightly. Thanks!
God I miss Nez ❤️ TY for this upload
Fav. Monkees song. Was hoping Peter played Banjo.Thanks
Remarkable. The drum isolation is soooooooooooooooooo clean!!!
thats my man fast eddy ho clean and tite is what he was,,and taste,,,he could give jim Keltner a run for his money
This is terrific!
I didn't realize how flawed the harmonies sounded.
But that's what gives this music sole, and a feel that you just don't get in today's music
you heard that too huh which one do you think was off
Sadly true. I don't know who is off here, but when the BG vocals are isolated you can really hear it.
Jeez, that drum-fill heading into the first chorus... ❤
❤❤❤❤ Thanks.
Written by Michael Murphy who also wrote the hit "Wildfire". Yep
Great to hear these parts, thank you!
These deconstruction videos are so great. Mickey Dolenz could / can play! There is one vocals only isolated of the Beatles..no insteuments or fans screaming that is sooo great
mickys not playing on this tune
this is amazing. I am surprisedon the banjo though. I always thought Peter played banjo on this recording
great drummer
Mr Chip! By golly!
i always thought the banjo part was electric guitar, it's very distorted
i always absolutely loved this song though, side 2 of Pisces is absolutely stacked
Banjo was recorded with an electric pick up. That's why it sounded like electric guitar. As a producer, musician and sound engineer, I would never do that. The acoustic sound of the banjo should have been preserved and recorded with a large condenser.
I do like the sound of some pickuped acoustic instruments like the Gibson J160E that John Lennon used, but nowadays pickuped acoustic models often use really weird pickups that cause me to despise their sound
It’s always bugged me that Peter didn’t play banjo or this. And know it’s likely because he and Mike were at odds especially during this time. But still
And, if read up on a bunch of old, Monkees'' "history," that's probably because BOTH Mike and Peter were "dating" Nurit Wilde.
Wow, where did you read that? I can't afford those Andrew Sandoval books. She was a real 'piece of work!' Phyllis should have beat the crap out of her- I would have!
Didn't Hurt end up being the mother of one of Mike's sons?
Darn auto correct, meant Nurit.
Nurit is the mother of Mike’s third son Jason. He and Jonathon are just 6 months apart.
Is Doug Dillard playin a Rickenbacker banjo? I know they had an electric around this time...the Banjotar I think? Ive seen pics of Rog McGuinn playin one with the Gram Parsons country Byrds.
I've always wondered if Mr. Dillard played a Rickenbacker Bantar on this.
I wonder why it wasn´t Peter Tork on banjo?
Great job, as always! Is there any possibility of "French Song"?
@@jasonbeard4713 Eventually, yes
@@septylite Thank you very much.
The banjo sounds a lot clearer now. BTW, strange that Peter wasn't picked to play the banjo, since (to my ears), it sounds like he could play that.
I know that Peter was by far the best musician in the band but I’m not sure that there are any examples of him playing any banjo parts as complex as that one? That is just my opinion and I’m also sure that given the time and opportunity Peter might have been able to get it done! 💪
@@paulreese3071 Peter’s work on ‘You Told Me’ sounds pretty complex to me (though I don’t play banjo), especially considering how fast it is
@@septylite In my opinion You Told Me is the absolute example of the value of Peter's banjo to the band! As I commented on that deconstruction, it is ironic and touching that Nez, after Peter passed, acknowledged how completely struck he was by the sound of Peter's banjo juxtaposed against the Gretsch 12string. Still, to my ear that part is far less complex than What Am I Doin'. I also don't play banjo but play a handful of other stringed instruments. In the end, I cannot thank you enough for all of the work that you do to deliver the music that means so much to so many of us!!!
@@paulreese3071 your rite he did nt have the chops for this tune like mickey could have never played drums on this,,,,chops,,,,,
Listen to Peter play Cripple Creek on their live stuff and you realize he was damn good and could have played on this. The fact that we never really get an explanation for it makes me think Mike and Peter had a personal thing at the time that got in the way, but who knows
Is there Tork at backing vocals sounds like it
It's hard to tell. Before I would've said No but now I can very slightly hear a much deeper voice in the mix--it sounds a little too deep for Peter though weirdly enough.
@@septylite Yeah Chip or Tork
@@septylitePeter sings awfully deep on Shades of Grey
Must be the Wreaking Crew doing the instrumental parts... Carol Kay on bass..they made all hits in 60's n 70's....
@@garrypapagno5721 The Wrecking Crew did not play on this song
For the beach boys, Mama's and papas, Sonny and cher and the birds and Monkees first two albums, but this is from the 4th they played almost all.
@@septylite chip Douglas on bass
By the time of PACJ the Monkees were working as primary musicians on their albums, while incorporating some outside musicians. The Wrecking Crew were no longer recording all of their music.
Wow Peter isn't on this track on banjo or anything. He may have quit by then
Or, it might be because Peter didn't have an "electric" banjo. Mr. Dillard did.
@@tonyspada2744 Peter was still in the band, he left in late ‘68.
I love the song...but those BG vocals are a little dicey.
who's bg
@@Noah-gq7pq BG = Background
@@Noah-gq7pq B-ackground V-ocals
@@quad1000 got ya bro thanks all these damn abbreviations
After listening to isolated bass lines a lot, all I can say is, WTF? You'd never know what this song is from the bassline. So wacky.
Damn, Dolenz not on drums? Again? So no excuse for him to get pissed when people used to mock him Ringo was better
ringo is better ,,micky was an actor he just learned ,,micky was a talented dude,but as a drummer,,he's no edy ho and he knows that,,and im not knocking him mickey is very talented