@@sekory88 the difference is you don't need them to progress. I played my first expac without spending any money made it to elder and shaper. You really are just paying for convenience tbh.
I've been following Wyatt Cheng since 2008, and I can tell you straight up - This guy is the company's lap dog. I've seen enough interviews with him. He is very passive aggressive towards public opinions. He tiptoes around topics when having casual conversations about his games. He got better at it, but he's the same person he's always been and I fully understand why they put him in charge of this project. He has no soul.
Imagine a world where: -The ESRB (and other ratings boards for games) meant something. -The ESRB required all planned monetization to be made available to them for their review and rating process, as well as made available for all traditional game reviewers who get a review code before launch. All stores must be active and all prices must be final. The cost of in-game items and progression must be identical to their planned state at launch. -Developers are required to provide reviewers/ESRB a dev save, where they can redeem items in the store for no monetary cost to them to compare free-to-play versus pay-to-win. They essentially gain unlimited access to microtransactions on that save for free, but the day one patch renders it unusable. This way, if a game is pay-to-win, the rating or review can reflect these before consumers get scammed into pre-ordering. -If monetization is added to the game after the official launch date, the ESRB would require them to resubmit their game for review and pay the standard (or increased) rate for doing so. -If there is any change to pricing, monetization, progression at or after launch that makes it harder to achieve without engaging in monetization, the developer has to resubmit to the ESRB for rating and be fined for deceptive trade practices. -Removing microtransactions, reducing costs, making progression easier for the entire player base before launch would not require a review, but can get the rating reduced. For example, if it is difficult for children to purchase without permission, the items are cosmetic only and for the most part you are know what you are getting, it could get a T for teen rating instead of M (Mature). -Any microtransactions of any kind make a game ineligible for any rating below E10+ (Everyone 10+), and must be labelled. E10+ and T may include cosmetic MTX, M may include gameplay MTX, Adults Only may include slots and gambling. -Labels would include cosmetic MTX (for strictly cosmetic items), gameplay MTX (Includes progression boosters, time savers, exclusive weapons, increased loot drops, etc), Slots and Gambling
@@Frostea the only companies that answer to the ESRB are developers who need their game rated. If a company doesn't get their game rated, there are consequences, including being unable to properly print the disc cases and market to the appropriate audience. Yes, digital releases are a thing, but trailers show that many games get rated by the board anyways so they have a rating to advertise since children cannot legally buy M+ games without parental consent. Now, the government could essentially give the ESRB more authority in this hypothetical scenario, and create this possible shift in the industry. We know the ESRB is slow to adapt on its own, but they could have an impact if they chose to. In Australia, Rimworld was recently denied classification by the ratings board after already being available for purchase for months and sales from steam and all sources were suspended. There are solutions like this that can be levied against developers, they simply aren't because self-regulation and legal requirements are not the same thing. But imagine a world.
Happy I Uninstalled all blizzard games around a year back. I was already worn out with the monetization strategies and the final straw was the mistreatment of workers and the Cosby room. Mind you they just liked the sweaters right? Now this wow. Beyond insane. I hope they go bankrupt or are closed down for being scam artists. What a fall from being the world's best creators. 🤯
I'm a little bummed by seeing this. I was going to try the game but after seeing blizzard's dispicable blatant money grab, I guess I won't even download it. RIP Diablo
Don't let it discourage you forreal. I'm not, by any means, trying to argue in favor of Blizzard. But I'm level 52 now and haven't spent a single penny I swear!
There's always people like you in gacha game that doesn't pay throughout the game That doesn't mean other people won't pay, the predatory scheme will eventually affect some people. I mean, my friend too didn't spend any money in gacha like Genshin, so?
I'm not saying it won't work for making money, I am saying I am speaking with my wallet. I won't spend money with blizzard, just like if it's an EA game. If more of us started to do this then we can send a msg
i dont want to upgrade gear. i want to find gear. i feel like removing those legendary emblems (which give you a ridiculously low chance of getting a really good legendary gem) could be a huge step in the right direction. the battlepasses and small stashes of bullshit dont give you a huge advantage. the whole gem shit is horrible though. and i want to trade the items i find, which is a huge part of the game. i dont want the game to be supereasy. i want somewhat of a challenge to adapt to certain monsters and bosses, not just run towards them in a straight line, spam the attack button and collect upgrade materials after 30 seconds. a german youtube channel put it quite good: the best of diablo without the best of diablo. the game is close to being awesome, it just misses every aspect that makes it diablo and replaces the void with lootboxes.
I find it disturbing that there are people like you who support the game by playing it knowing full well what your getting into .... Then what do you do? Complain about it on the internet..... Seems fucking weird to me tbh.
I played this game... It's fun... There's a good Diablo game there. With that being said it's bogged down with a ridiculous amount of pay to win micro transactions. Never thought there was a way to make this game pay to win... But they managed to do it.
@@Illusive1313 Diablo 3 on launch was one of the biggest disappointments. When that happened, I don't know how long it took, but the online auction house was removed and they started making Diablo 3 enjoyable with loot 2.0.
The RMAH was a travesty no doubt, but it wasn't added with the intention to make the game P2W, it was added to kill the websites that were already doing what the RMAH did. Was there dollar signs in their eyes when doing it? Yes. But similar to WoW tokens they just took something that was going to exist anyways and made it safer. That is why their decision to change how loot worked entirely was the better decision later on.
I love ziz, I dont always agree with him, but he is extremely consistent and honest, and he often can look past whats good for him and instead see whats good for the game
@@Zizaran thank you for being one of the rare few poe content creators that makes HONEST content, too much build clickbaiting and straight dishonesty even from 'trusted' softcore streamers with regards to build guides/showcases
when i was a kid d2 was the first game i remember playing... i loved it so much, played it 24/7, despite the fact i was REALLY young. i ended up hand writing a letter in terrible writing which my dad sent to blizzard from Australia telling them i loved the game and couldnt wait for the 3rd one and i suggested being able to play as evil characters. a month later i get a letter back from blizzard saying they appreciated i loved the game, saying they loved the suggestions but were working on something else atm. i grew older and just thought my dad had written the response but a couple months ago he confirmed it was legitimate. i cant believe i lost that letter. what a company they were
Blizzard was awesome before, 90's, early 00's and so on, and the games as well, Blackthorne, The Lost Vikings, Warcraft 1, 2, etc etc. Now I just feel like the magic has been lost, they've been bought and everything started to become just 0 and 1, plus and minus, profit and loss, and nothing else. It might have started before, I have no idea, but it just feels like it.
You know at blizz conventions how you can ask the devs/leads questions in front of everyone? I want someone to just ask them "Will Blizzard ever make a game that doesn't have micro transactions?"... And after they say no just walk away
This is the reality of the free market at work, these are the games people are demanding whether we like it or not. When a game is free to play and you choose not to play cause of it, a single person spending a few thousand dollars makes up for hundreds of people who chose not to play the game cause of it. Predatory pricing in gaming will only get worse without a crackdown by governments.
@@Outwardpd Ye thats the problem. These games are focused on big spenders only. Not the guy that spends 100. That why all 100 dollar spenders should just stay away. Let the whales have the game. To play against other whales only.
@@Syphirioth I'd bring one of those fake microphones you find in the toy aisle at department stores, just so I have something microphone-shaped to drop.
I'm just so disappointed in Blizzard that I don't have anything to say anymore. These videos just nail my feelings & thoughts towards the company. Thank you to guys like Asmongold & Zizaran, for seeing & saying things just as they are.
Hate to tell you but this is the future of gaming. If you want to be ‘top tier’ in any game in the future, it will be pay to win. The rich always win and they’ve found a way to make money > skill in gaming.
@@yolohansolo6136 I don't agree. I do agree that there will be more p2w games and it will be more extreme, but I'm sure that there will also be a lot of games that are completely based on skill. In about a year there will be a game called clementines nightmare, just remember it. A couple big gaming companies are contracted with this new company that is creating this game and it's gonna be quite revolutionary. I love the founders and they are great people. They are making a game based that will be a 3v3 auto battler with card mechanics. It's gonna be something new on the market and I believe they could be something huge in the future. Remember the name "Clementine's Nightmare".
People who enjoy the game: Real life NPCs with low standards, low capacity for rational thought, and easily entertained. Similar to people from idiocracy.
@@Adumbbomb810 its really simple the monetization cannot be putted aside since they are constantly bombarding the user with it, it is a bad game as it is planned to be as annoying as possible so the user ends up paying or playing in a miserable state
@@Tresande or you guys just have 0 self control lol. I'm F2P on all mobile games I play and if I don't enjoy the game anymore I just quit. Diablo immortal is a good mobile game compared to the other garbage out there right now for F2P players, saying don't play the game at all just because of MTX is just dumb af. You're not doing anything because the people who want to spend money are already on it spending money.
Imagine having to pay these bums and then make sure you login everyday just to 'improve' their player metrics/retention overtime so that you can get what you paid for (and if you don't, you spend your money and get nothing). Diablo Immoral (Made in China Diablo) has the most predatory microtransactions in gaming history, this should be illegal and Blizzard/Activision should be sued for it.
That's a common mechanic in Mobile games. I remember it in several games I've played. The icing on the cake is Blizzard couldn't even come up with something original to milk their playerbase.
Its normal thing to make the community active. Its like genshin. Theres alot of ppl like it. The boon is fine but other things no need to have sales in. But its a good game so far.
@@tourisman other games doing crappy things doesn’t justify doing crappy things. Having to log in for rewards is the most scummy way possible. There’s greedy games that don’t even do that to players. It’s trash. Period.
The Blizzard devs poured "years of bloody sweat" (according to Doyounothavephones Guy) to make an asset flip of Diablo 3 which now doubles as a mobile cash shop? They're exposing their own lack of talent in the dev team smh
Before I even read the tweet I though "what are you doing." There is no way to defend yourself without disparaging your employer, and if you say anything positive about Diablo Immoral you're going to get EVEN MORE crucified by the fanbase. There was no winning for Wyatt here, he should have just kept his mouth shut.
I disagree with him. EVERY mobile game is pay to be 100% optimal, not pay to win. I play a lot of mobile games, I buy what i want, not what I need. Diablo is fun and totally playable without whaling, people just like to make a huge deal out of nothing
@@raijuko p2optimal is true, but p2w is a diff thing, if you wanna try get a high rank as a f2p player will you never beat anyone that pays, it's a huge deal because blizzard shouldn't be doing this. Is a disgusting piece of shit and tbh shouldn't even exist.
@@raijuko Disagree with what exactly? He is recounting the mechanics (lost battle pass after purchase, greatly reduced gem find and progression, and costs to scale) all of his complaints are based on stated mechanics. DI's predatory monetization is a massive departure for Blizzard even when compared to their previous mobile offerings. But generally you're absolutely right! There was a time that calling Acti-Blizz a 'Mobile Game Gacha-Mechanic Scam Company' would have been the perfect rage bait for the gaming community, that's no longer true with the release of DI. In DI you have two choices, 10 years F2P (missing no daily bonuses) or spend apprx. $100,000 today.
@@ash-id9ss i mean those arguments that you lost something you bought are such a stretch. Daily rewards are part of the pass, not all of it and its like saying i bought 3 day xp booster in lol and didnt played for 2 days. Sure its not great and its a p2skip game but saying that you lost something u paid for is such a dishonest stretch, u got lesser value of that monthly thingy, not lost it.
@@raijuko and the reason why mobile games are like that and will continue to be is because people are gullible enough to keep supporting those types of systems. So it's not making a big deal out of nothing.
the saddest thing about this game for me is that on a phone, it actually plays pretty well. for me, anyway. it could have been a GOOD mobile game. the combat controls are responsive and fun, like any other blizz game. it could have been good, but this is proof that blizz does not care anymore about making good games. can't wait for poe mobile though.
You shouldn't be allowed to tell someone they cannot make a game but The gaming companies also shouldn't be allowed to use mental tricks they've learned through years of gathering information to use that against a player base. When they know how the average person will react better than you know how you'd react and then they use this info to create scummy things like this. Anyways, earlier I said it was fine but the more I research it the more I don't like.
I agree that predatory practices should be more regulated, but using mental tactics to encourage people to buy things is not inherently malicious. It’s a really difficult issue to legislate without denying people their right to operate and monetize their products how they want.
@@parker4025 it is 100% malicious. Preying on kids, the mentally ill, and addicts is 100% malicious. We already regulate things like this with no fuss from anyone because it is 100% malicious. Good God…
I personally dont see stashtabs in poe or poe in general as p2w. why? 1. Do you need them? - you have the option to do everything in the game without those stashtabs. (even sell items etc.) 2. How much? - they are effordable. If you buy all the stashtabs that have high qol value, you spend less 40 bucks which is less than buying a normal full price game. (currency, map, quadtab etc.) I personally dont think that a game, that requieres you to pay 60 bucks max to unlock its full potential, can ever be pay to win. 3. diminishing return: - spending more and more money doesnt get you anything. diminishing returns decrease. additionally: I dont think p2w has anything to do with pvp or competing. e.g. a single player farming simulator can be p2w.
When this shit was announced, I knew it was going to be a game like all the other hundreds of cash grabbing trash. Still, I gave it a go for 2 hours, and it was just as I expected. I'm not mad at Blizzard for slapping the Diablo brand onto it -- just really fucking disappointed.
If you want to know all of the end between story elements then you must play this because Star Wars did this a long time ago for the Star Wars universe to understand what happened between a lot of the different movies for different character points
2 hours? Bruh, you're in a section of the game where paying doesn't even matter yet. Im 10 hours in and I don't even have proper PVE gear (which is free to obtain and cannot be paid for). How can you be disappointed when Bellular, Rhykker, and most people say campaign is actually good lol
“I don’t like gambling” then saying he’s going all out to show you guys…. Your still DIRECTLY supporting the developers and this type of behavior. There is nothing to show, we know what this type of gambling is, you do this for views and is therefor an accomplice to the behavior
Strap in boi there is no stopping this MTX ride. Is about to get even crazier. The eye of this storm is still out of sight. ASMONBOLDO spoke out for years against this shit, he doesn´t matter, you don´t matter, I don´t matter. Enjoy.
Blizzard used to make the best games in the world. it's sad that you've never played any blizzard game. Immortal is the first cash grab game, and it only costs money because you feel like you need to compete with other people, otherwise the game is fine. You have a skewed sense of social justice regarding something you know nothing about and apparently hasn't tried out.
Pretty much like that... Diablo 3 is expensive to have been relesased 10+ years ago. Although I bought diablo 3 and I had been having tons of fun with it, after you buy it (the full game), thats it. I also think that these "semi-f2p" new mmorpgs are ridiculous :(
9 months of playing Diablo Immortal report: At paragon level 950 as a Barbarian I am super strong and have a badass, powerful custom build. I have spent $0.00 on this game. I can kill an Elder Rift boss in 18-20 seconds. Comparing myself to other players who after questioning and interviews have spent between $500 to $1,000 in the game on microtransaction gems they take between 10-8 seconds to kill the same boss. Where microtransaction gems really matter are in infernal raids (paragon 800-1,300) in which a group of 8 whale players can kill a boss with 100,000,000 health in a matter of seconds. However, saying "really matter" is up for debate because when the boss dies in this scenario there's 8 minutes & 30 seconds out of 9 minutes remaining on the raid boss timer. A group of none microtransaction free to play players would probably spend 4 to 6 minutes to defeat the boss as long as it went smoothly and everyone knew the fight. The conclusion is that Diablo Immortal's microtransaction gems aren't necessary to fully play and enjoy the endgame and earlier sections of the game where they start pushing the microtransactions on you. All they do is save you time and make the levels faster and the enemies die quicker. I play this game on my tablet when I'm taking a ****** or watching a meh movie with my family. If you're playing on PC there's so many better ftp and ptp games in this genre. I play Path of Exile and will switch to Path of Exile 2 later this year. Path of Exile mobile is also still in development so that'll be a competitor to D8ablo Immortal when it comes out. There's supposed to be a new class coming out in June or July 2024, so I'd like either a witch doctor, Shaman/druid or some kind of dash/teleporting assassin with knives. Maybe a badass juggernaut class with a huge warhammer that hits slow but super hard. Most insiders are saying it's gonna be a Tempest which would be an elementalest with a sword or something.
The only part of any of this that surprises me is that enough people haven't fully boycotted Blizzard yet, and that they even have players left to complain about it.
People barely boycott Nestle for the crap they do AND THEY FRIGGIN MESS WITH THE ACTUAL LIFE OF LIVING HUMANS. Blizzard would really need to drop a grenade at their feet for something to happen
@@bananasmoussestachio9017 Unfortunately you're fully right. It's why megacorps rule the world. The only thing i would argue is that predatory monetization schemes and shitty workplace practices are also very harmful to real people and their lives. Not to mention when they willfully take the side of autocrats over people, like with the Blitzchung situation. Somehow I really thought that would be the end of Blizzard.
I know he's playing it up like a meme, but the almost evil grins as Asmon acknowledges that game companies haven't scratched the surface of gouging their customers is really unsettling to me. He's in a position where he has A. unlimited free time and B. unlimited money, something almost nobody else in the world has both of, so of course he can swipe and still be able to play the games he wants to play. Meanwhile, the majority of the target audience is left feeling like they can either play 10% of a game for free, or pay out their fucking nose for the other 90%. Idk, for someone who always preached himself as a "man of the people" I'm seeing pretty much the opposite from baldy recently.
3 options, play 10%, pay to the other 90% OR don't play at all. Also what do you care what he does, he's clearly out to expose them and enjoy the freedoms he worked hard for. Most people don't realize streaming is not just "free time"
I'm disappointed even though I haven’t played any of blizzard games other than OW, like I can’t imagine the fans who actually went through all of this until now, it must be devastating to see such great games become like this... it's really a shame
Honestly, same here i retrospectively i am glad that the only time i gave blizzard money it was to buy overwatch, its been with a mix of glee and sadness that i witness the entire company become a husk of what they once where
I think they can make it pay to win, but what should be illegal is loot boxes or paying money for a chance to get what the person wants. Gambling and kids are not a good mix, for fully developed brains, yes gambling can be a fun pastime , but for kids no, just… no.
I already know I suck at games like this, and no amount of upgrading gear will make me better. I just play them for a time sink, and to watch stuff blow up, so I will always be free to play... or as I call it free to lose. :)
Warcraft: Deformed seems almost quaint now. Remember that? the big outrage was that they re-released old content with just enough changes to trick people into thinking it was an actual upgrade? well not only is this game clearly just a low-effort re-release of Diablo III, but they've also attached an absurdly unethical, in some countries ILLEGAL, gambling p2w system to it. amazing. they've out-scumbagged themselves.
Don't hurt my zizaran boy :(, He's a path of exile player he just not get used to these kind of monetization. He's a really cool path of exile youtuber I learned a lot from him
It's interesting seeing people's reactions from console (minimal p2w) and pc (fair p2w) check out mobile games for the first time and lose their shit at prices and what p2w truly looks like. So many mobile games follow these exact structures and they've been around forever gachas etc. Been playing mobile games for years and they all push $50-100 packs for minimal gains to the point that spending a few hundred bucks a month is considered casual. Mobile games are in a whole other realm in terms of p2w and seeing it for the first time after being a console/pc player must be quite a shell shock.
As someone who's just dabbled in mobile games I can tell you that a lot of games actually have this model with the 30 to 90 day passes. The one that I paid the most was Heros of Mythic Might. I strictly use Google survey money to purchase things for the game and I saved enough for the 30-day pass... it's just like in Diablo immortal where if you do not log in everyday you will literally miss a day of rewards. I missed out on about 3 days due to getting sick to the point where I didn't even want to look at my phone. Lmao
@@onyxcitadel9759 Bruh... Paid login rewards are common in mobile games. This is literally how f2p mobile game works. Nothing new. I'm surprised not many ppl understand this.
Yooo a fellow google play point user. I've hoarded points forever and I was able to buy like 6 bundles for $0 usd. Finally a use for my survey points lmao
@@numerowan69 maybe you missed what i asked.. .. paid login rewards..that you can lose ?... I've seen them but you don't lose them.. as i said..that is new to me.
At 19:47 the difference is (I'm assuming) since the materials can be used for crafting gear it can be time gated, and then they subsequently add another fee to skip the timer.
9:10 we could legislate only cosmetic mtx to be allowed. which would also mean no pay to win which would also mean games would have to be designed in a way that plays nice in order to sell cosmetics. you can argue against p2w in a funky way as well. ppl who pay to skip etc, are basically "cheating with money" and will also get bored of the game a lot more since they are skipping parts of the game.. the game's purpose shouldn't be to make you want to skip playing it. like wtf.
and next we should legislate paintings you can make and maybe tell people who they can sell them to and for how much because private people doing art should be policed and told how much that art is worth
@@xelloskaczor5051 Or next we'll limit peoples game time to 2 hours a day because the pay2win crowed with their jobs, dont have the time to grind out these games and keep up with people that only work 8 hours a day. Then next, we'll lock all games to 60 fps because those people that work, have wives and kids cant afford to spend 5k on a PC because they have kids to support and a mortgage to pay. Then we'll reduce the damage output of those really good players because the shit players cant ever be good enough SKILL WISE to keep up. Where does this retarded logic end?
@@xelloskaczor5051 Game devs aren't doing "art" when they sell you a fucking gem in diablo immoral for $10. What they're doing is psychological warfare to extort money out of people, including minors. Furthermore, art can be worth millions because it's an investment. You don't invest shit by buying bound digital goods, your money literally goes down the drain, you don't even really own anything.
Here's a simple solution, as long as its not gambling it is legal. Don't play a game you don't like simple, don't tell people how to monetize their game
Doesn't the welkin moon pack in genshin (the $5 one) also give 30 days worth of gems (90 a day) but only if you login daily? If you miss a day then you lose the 90 for that day. I'm surprised out of all the genshin drama since it came out that has never really been hated on.
The main problem I have with pay to win is when the free to play experience is greatly degraded in order to get more people to spend money. It's pretty obvious when gameplay decisions were made not to make the game better, but to advertise that if you spend money you wouldn't be wasting as much time. That being said I'm not completely against paying to reduce a grind, just when the free to play grind is made excessive to try to get you to pay. also don't get me started on free to play games, that advertise as free to play, that hard limit how much time you can play so aggressively it makes you wonder how anyone enjoys them without spending money to play more.
I agree DI is pay to win. But POE is the same. Stash tabs is an advantage. I’m also pretty sure cosmetic stuff has some hidden drop rate increase stat. I bought a cosmetic pack there and currencies chaos orbs and blessed orbs dropped frequently. Like I’m guaranteed a drop every 4 hours or so
Uhhh, if you bought a cosmetic in 3.18 it has nothing to do with it. The drops are increased because sentinels increase item quant by a LOT. Just to give an example, in 3.17 I dropped maybe 4-5 raw exalts in a month, while in 3.18 I've dropped 9 in just one week, and like 20 in total (I'd have to look at my playtime) it's all because of sentinels.
Ive played this game with a friend upwards of 100+ hours during beta, alot of the microtransactions wernt in yet so we never saw them but we had plenty of fun with the game in that time.
That's what I'm doing right now, just playing through the content of the game. It's fun so far. Cuz I play the game just to play it. I'm not one of those who are trying for world first or trying to get and be the best of the best...I don't have the damn time to do that in general, lol.
If this was not on PC no one would be talking about it. Mobile players are used to this kind of monetization. It's been a thing since the beginning of smart phones. PC players aren't used to this kind of thing so they definitely complain more.
You can tell people don't play mobile games when they are coming to Diabloe Immortal. The daily login pass has been in half the mobile games I've quit. The monetization is mobile standard. Its rare to see anything reasonable for F2P mobile games. Its shit, but its normal shit not extraordinary. That's why they did this. Because the audience was mobile gamers and this is what mobile games do.
The problem is that in mobile gaming its to close to the wallet. Google and apple play just needs your thumb to make the payment. Now change that with a computer where every purchase you need to type in payment info. At the end its about removing the steps to your wallet
I quit the game after getting level-gated. Not even getting hit by enemies, and the game tells me i'm too low to progress. I actually wanted to see the storyline too. Please include some lore in your playthrough videos Mr asmonGold
Little Bimmy: "But Asmonbald, it's not going to be pay to win how would you know that?" Asmongold: "It's very simple. I'm part of the problem allowing it to be. By the way, if any of you spend over $5k you get the pleasure to talk to me." Insert shit eating grin. *Acitivision Blizzard smiles harder*
what's worse is its not even asmongolds money he is spending, its money that was donated to him by subs , gifted to him on pateron, or some other money transfer app or site. Yet, they play it off as its my money guys that I'm spending so you don't have too. lmao. streamers then will put subtle hints in there streams "oh, that's a lot of money. I'm not going to spend that kind of money, UNLESS someone gives it to me. HINT HINT. streamers can be just as predatory as these game company's sometimes.
As someone who played Korean MMOs, TQ, NetDragon nonsense, to think 5k is a whaling amount is sadly not the case. Going back 15 years I had online friends who would give card details to friends because they had hit their 10k limit for the month. Some people have an abundance of money and enjoy the power grab p2w games offer. It was always interesting speaking to them and hearing how/why. One of the top players in the first mmo I played was a hotel chain owner and had a lot of oil money. I think it’s worthwhile Asmon speaking to these whales about their income so little timmy realises it’s not worth spending any money as they simply can’t compete.
I was shocked when i heard about the amounts of money people spend on these games like raid shadow legends. Like I thought like $100 over 1-3 months was a lot, like its a mobile game, I could buy a proper PC or PS4 game fro $100. But then you hear of people spending $200 a month, 2000 a month, some Dubai whales spending 125,000 in an unknown timeframe. Like kudos to the game developer selling pixels for mega dollars.
I love seeing all these reactions from people who have never played a mobile game before, you are about 8 years too late trying to fight this battle rofl. Welcome to mobile gaming.
Damn right we should be able to legislate the hell out of the industry. At this point it's less about the game and more about the wallets. The industry needs a moral overhaul and a monetary crash to weed these greed-ridden dbags out and remove them like the cancerous sores they are.
Unfortunately, these kind of login pass has been around for roughly 15 years, give or take. First present in free MMOs, the mobile games took the reigns. I am surprised some people havent heard about it yet.
This video pretty much exposes intelligence of asmongold and his audience doing shills for him, he's all about get that trending fame by reacting to it without putting any efforts, fake hating on Blizzard and later funding them with huge sum buying bp and stuff it shows how genius this guy is too. Tbh I'd rather support streamers who have skills rather than this petty bs. Streamer with skills at least are watchable and aren't cringe like this guy, his audience must've have gone senile to watch such rock hard coomer whale.
Hes a pay2win andy the guy who used to encourage his viewers to spit on people with store mounts did a complete 180 and the sheep in his echo chamber follows his example
What he's doing seems consistent with what he said he was going to do with the game. He said he was going to play the game, spend a bunch of money on it and show how horribly cash grabby and p2w the game actually is to everyone.
He does stuff for the content and what’s trending. He admits that lol it’s not like he’s gaming and hoping people will watch he’s actively trying to reach the audience. I don’t see a problem with that. Honestly I’m sure he’s bored of a lot of games but all games suck now especially mmos. They’re fun for a couple weeks or a month and fall off. If wow was still great he would be content streaming wow…. But it’s not and now he’s chasing the best content. His channel evolved and I enjoy it
You think streamers are high art? lmao you're literally watching people play video games and react to what's trending online. If you don't enjoy asmongold because you think he's dumb, you're likely pretentious yourself.
That’s not the question he asked. He asked if we should be allowed to prevent people from making their games pay to win, and if you think we should be allowed to tell people whether or not to monetize their products, you’re a dumbass on a fundamental level. If you don’t see how that’s an absolute violation of someone’s rights I don’t even know what to say to you. Obviously they should regulate pay 2 win for predatory practices aimed at children etc, but NOBODY should be allowed to tell someone who made something (within reason) that they can’t monetize and sell it.
Well asmongold. Funny story here. I am a whale myself in a mobile game. Maybe not so much in Diablo Immoral, but I know a few things and have experience in that topic. I'd be happy to answer any questions or talk about it and the gambling aspect of it.
I was so angry at how pay to win this game is. After buying like 25-30$ worth I realised this after watching more videos. They fucking scammed me. I felt so shitty that I came to my wife and quit gaming because I have a problem.
lol. you have never played a gacha game have you? DI is pretty much targeted towards that same market with the monetization. Essentially, don't ever spend money on the game unless you are going to be spending hundreds/thousands per month. Small spenders almost get nothing in a RNG game lol.
Yeah. I played gacha games alot. Also iv spent over 900$ in a single month on phone games. Also I dont play consol or pc anymore because that what I did when I was a loser. Now Im a fken chad
@@seewaldsja Get scammed $900 a month but $20-30 is a big no no, eh? Not playing on PC because you're a "Chad"? Should've known I was talking to a fatherless idiot from the start.
Why is he repeating so often he's ok with Pay to Win? PTW destroys any game, as it automatically comes with artificial progress gating and plays on all these psychological effects. You won't find a single PTW game that does not employ them and the fact he's ok with it, shows how far even gamers themselves have been boiled like frogs to accept this. Especially in a game like Diablo where the loot by definition always had lootbox style elements as that was part of the surprise and appeal ... when it didn't cost money to get better odds, just time and skill.
@@whentheuh there are more die hard Diablo fans than P2W players. Diablo has a history of great games and Diablo immortal isn’t one of them because it’s pretty much just a copy and paste from diablo 3. If they actually put in some work in developing new systems and combat, removed the P2W aspect and added a price tag to the game. They would have the same large Player-base they had when Diablo 3 launched which was Millions of players.
If he hasn't seen games try to squeeze players this hard, I've got a lot of Nexon and Korean monetization schemes to show him. And RE: the ending, it's incredibly common to not directly monetize the primary power acquisition method (xp or currency), and instead abstract it to auxiliary power accrual system. DFO did this with reinforce/refine/avatar/emblem/enchantment systems, Maplestory did this with cubes, it's a very common scheme.
Right!? I agree. It's playable without spending money. If you choose to gamble on the stores that's your problem, get help, don't play f2p games, cause you know your problem at that point.
I don't know what people look for in mobile games. Getting all BIS with f2p? That's unrealistic expectations. For me, I only want to sink my time for fun for like 4 days.
So that $10 monthly thing is basically Genshin Impact's Welkin Moon $5 monthly thing, right? I don't think you can get the daily allowance of Primogems for a day if you don't log in on that day.
Costs? You do know all these streamers are doing is just promoting the game? If everyone just stopped playing shitty games we wouldn't see these games being made. Cause if you think that asmongold hasn't made a lot of people start playing the game out of curiosity then you're delusional.
This is my first time seeing anything about Immortal since the original booing at the first announcement. I made it 2:31 into the video and I am already pissed off at Blizzard. Installed this game a couple days ago with intent to try it. Just uninstalled it with 0 seconds of play time.
im 39 years old in my youth, i would play warcraft 1 warcraft 2 warcraft 3 starcraft, diablo 1 diablo 2... i played all of these to exhaustion... and on the launch day of these games, i used to have butterflies in my belly. i had so much love for that company. beautiful worlds, characters amazing deep lore... to see its legacy ravaged and raped like this, probably the decision of only 2 or 3 people, saddens me to the core.
That was back then, this is now. Most games that are coming out are pay to play. Or you have the basic core versionof the game and you have to buy updates/upgrades etc. That's what kids now days have to do. My kid asked if he could buy a skin for a fortnite toon...I laughed.
8:20 the only real difference in Warframe is A. The most you can possibly skip is 3 days which isn't too long of a wait B. Platinum is really easy to get for free through grinding resources and selling them C. You can't get anything exclusive with it so it's not really playing the game differently.
well, there are a lot of things you can’t buy without using platinum. Boosters, slots, catalysts if you need them, forma if you need them. The time gating in warframe makes it VERY pay to win.
@@parker4025 slots can be unlocked through nightwave, boosters are sometimes handed out and there's also blessings in relays, catalysts are handed out for invasions and events, and forma is a common reward in void relics. Even then, platinum is still easy to get for free by selling prime sets, rivens, and arcanes. (Which are all f2p and easy to get minus rivens which take time) the most "time gating" there is is making formas and building Warframes.
I think companies should be able to make any game pay-to-win because as a consumer I'm a fan of voting with my money. If I research a game and I don't like it, I won't play it. I have the option to play a pay-to-win game or to not play it, same as a company can make a game that's pay-to-win or not
legendary emblems cost around 2 dollars and you get 2 free ones per month. you need 50 for a guaranteed x/5 legendary jewels (and there is douzens of different ones) so you wont get the one you want and you can then either upgrade it to 5/5 with the same gem or have the one in 40 luck to finding it from those 50 runs. a single legendary 5/5 will take 800 years f2p or insane luck. you need 6 specific ones for the build you want to play. those 5/5 are around 15 times stronger than the 2/2 you can find as a f2p.
I'll write it here too as I have written it under Ziz video: paid battle pass is not something new. Same goes for daily login rewards: it's a LOGIN reward, if you know you don't even log in each day, there's no point in buying it. It's more for a regular players. Stop making known and common mechanics sound like something new. The problem are the rewards themselves, not how they are delivered.
Phone "gamers" ARE VERY DIFFERENT than REAL gamers: When I was homeless I had no choice but to play phone games... and this kind of thing in phone games is to be expected. Even in PVP games. This is the normal for phone games and why companies are pushing to move gaming to phones - FAR less development for a phone only game and FAR more profit.
If we are to allow publishers to create gambling based pay to win systems in games, then they should be subject to relevant gambling laws and licenses in each country. If a casino was to produce a website that did what Diablo Immortal does, with no protection for problem gamblers and incentivised the player to spend more regardless of how much they already spent, ignoring any limits, any KYC checks, any money laundering and so on, they would be fined hundreds of thousands, into the millions and potentially disallowed from running a gambling license. It's no different here.
Blizzard will drop the rates for Immortal suite a bit so people will be happier but in the end it'll still be alot, if they had started at that rate people would still have been mad and outrageous. It's so obvious it hurts. They're probably also testing with how much MTX they can get away with for D4 when it finally releases
I feel sorry for the people who spent money on this garbage. If we want to change the company, it is not the company that has to change us....we need to change the company. I already uninstalled the "game" because I didn't like the aggressive environment of sales of things as basic as opening chests....it's something so low, vile and small that I want to vomit! I really wanted microsoft to take over the leadership of the company and that the first act would be to fire all activision staff starting with wyatt....
Honestly I’m feeling the same about Destiny 2 lately, if I don’t login and put effort into levelling I lose the value of my season pass completely… that sucks and this opened my eyes to greed!
As a consumer, hell yeah we can and should do that, 100%. Even the whales don’t want pay to win, so how about we make it everyone wins because there’s no pay to win bs in games. I get the point you’re trying to make but this level of manipulation is easily on the needs legislation side of things.
If you think that we should be allowed to prevent people from monetizing their products how they want because it makes YOU FEEL uncomfortable and angry, you clearly don’t understand the point he’s trying to make. You’re arguing for removing peoples right to sell their product because it makes you feel icky. What happens when you make something that makes someone else feel unhappy and try to sell it? They should be allowed to ban you from selling it? That’s disgusting shit dude.
when they announced diablo immortal, it was a desaster. they had so much time proving the community wrong and delivering something good. and what did they do? its worse than a kick in the nuts to every single diablo fan and every single gamer.
Just to be perfectly clear... P2W is when you in any way shape or form can: 1. Directly or indirectly exchange real money into in-game currency (generally just about anything you can sell in auction or via direct trades). 2. Directly or indirectly can spend real money to prevent death or losses (like potions, resurrection scrolls, etc). 3. Directly or indirectly buy boosts and discounts for real money (like EXP boosts). 4. Unlock parts of the game or reduce cooldowns, queues, or increase dungeon entry's per day (like premium memberships). 5. Directly selling items like armor, weapons, and/or titles that gives stats or increases animation speeds. What they all have in common is that real money changes the experience. Maybe you thought if you just buy an EXP boost it won't affect anyone else other than yourself... But what happens if 50% of the playerbase does the same, you have 50% of the players reaching higher levels faster, and that changes things. It changes what loot and probably how much loot is being sold on the market, it increases demand for some items and floods the market with others and that changes item value, making it harder for lower levels to earn a buck. You also reduce the chances for players looking for party-matching as you've boosted your way out of that bubble, indirectly making slower progression for the rest of the players. In WoW or FFXIV I'm sure things like this doesn't matter that much because they have millions of players, so nobody would actually notice the effects, but most games don't have millions of players, most MMORPG's average around 10-100k players a day. Loot Boxes on their own is not P2W unless they give items containing any of the P2W elements above, it's just a gambling mechanism but being against them is 100% valid. Just don't whine about how bad Loot Boxes are and then go buy Loot Boxes yourself. If you're against all of these things, just don't play these games, it's as simple as that... There are a million other games to play, why would you force yourself to play a game that goes against your own standards? Because it's new, because that's what everyone else does? Games are supposed to be enjoyable, so go play the games you enjoy rather than the ones you suffer through or makes you upset. Maybe one day enough players does the same and the industry has to rethink their options before upsetting their customers.
@@840396 Nope not at all... He is feeding the PW2 and calling people that don't a loser, he only cares about putting money and that games should be P2W... now wtf do you mean...?
@@callmejm3073 I take it you don't watch his streams or are able to see beyond his character. He stated several times that p2w is slowly becoming normalized and the only way to stop it is by making it illegal, he stated it several times on both his stream both in and out of his Asmongold persona. He's making fun of the system and creating content while doing so. Yes, he has the funds to blow away on every p2w aspect in this game to further create more revenue for himself and that is only possible because of his streaming/yt-income, but that doesn't change the fact that as a system as a hole, he agrees with it.
@@840396 Please decide does he love P2W or Not? because i watch his stream all the time.... lmao Asmongold love spending money on game's and feeding this system... By him saying the only way to make this illegal it just him saying knowing this won't happen and he Laugh at the people who don't spend money to the game's he even make fun of people that doesn't buy the 99 cent Beginners pack.... (Read my comment again) .... If he really cares about the P2W he should be making Videos like Zizaran did on how bad this system is of P2W... Complaining about this MADNESS and (Not) Feeding this System... Asmongold didn't got famous spending money in games ok.... If Asmongold is very Vocal where are the Videos of him complaining saying this is not ok and they should stop? he makes lots of videos from others things... why not the p2w?
@@callmejm3073 I've already said twice that he doesn't like it, but for you I'll say it a third time. Asmongold doesn't like p2w and think it should be illegal. If you've watch Asmongold for a long time you can see that ge changed his content over the years and now he's in the category of react/drama and guess what, DI is a huge shitstorm which will make him a lot of money. Why didn't he make a video such as Ziz? Because that's one video and then you're done, he can ride this shitstorm for quite a long time by dumbing it down to "I spend my money so you don't have to", in the end he's in this to make money for himself, it's his job and so is playing the persona of Asmongold who goes big dick, doesn't care about anything and just want to have fun, but both in persona and out of persona he has stated (let's mention it once again) that he's against p2w and wants it to be illegal and he thinks that's the only way to stop it. He fought a battle against store mounts in WoW for some 10 years while being one of the biggest influences to the game, guess what happened? That's right, NOTHING! So now he's taking a new approach to overuse the system in hopes that someone somewhere will take notice and some kind of action against it will be put in place. If you're only watching what comes out on YT you're going to miss a lot of things that's being said between the lines but Im pretty sure he has stated his opinion in one or several of his reaction videos here on YT aswell, but I'm not going to look up which one.
Glad you liked the video, thanks for sharing it!
so I am not the only one who thinks POE stashtaps are p2w xD
My man!!
@@sekory88 yep
@@sekory88 the difference is you don't need them to progress. I played my first expac without spending any money made it to elder and shaper. You really are just paying for convenience tbh.
@Zizaran great video!
I've been following Wyatt Cheng since 2008, and I can tell you straight up - This guy is the company's lap dog. I've seen enough interviews with him. He is very passive aggressive towards public opinions. He tiptoes around topics when having casual conversations about his games. He got better at it, but he's the same person he's always been and I fully understand why they put him in charge of this project. He has no soul.
Do you not have souls?
I think ziz should challenge him to one of them TH-cam boxing things
Kind of glad I’ve never really been into Blizzard games. It’s fun to just watch people trash all over their products without any emotional attachment.
world of warcraft and warcraft 3 are lit
@@557deadpool How dare you
@@557deadpool say what you want about wc3 campaign but wc3 custom games were amazing
Same
Blizzard games are actually great quality, its just become too big a company, gotta feed the beast
Imagine a world where:
-The ESRB (and other ratings boards for games) meant something.
-The ESRB required all planned monetization to be made available to them for their review and rating process, as well as made available for all traditional game reviewers who get a review code before launch. All stores must be active and all prices must be final. The cost of in-game items and progression must be identical to their planned state at launch.
-Developers are required to provide reviewers/ESRB a dev save, where they can redeem items in the store for no monetary cost to them to compare free-to-play versus pay-to-win. They essentially gain unlimited access to microtransactions on that save for free, but the day one patch renders it unusable. This way, if a game is pay-to-win, the rating or review can reflect these before consumers get scammed into pre-ordering.
-If monetization is added to the game after the official launch date, the ESRB would require them to resubmit their game for review and pay the standard (or increased) rate for doing so.
-If there is any change to pricing, monetization, progression at or after launch that makes it harder to achieve without engaging in monetization, the developer has to resubmit to the ESRB for rating and be fined for deceptive trade practices.
-Removing microtransactions, reducing costs, making progression easier for the entire player base before launch would not require a review, but can get the rating reduced. For example, if it is difficult for children to purchase without permission, the items are cosmetic only and for the most part you are know what you are getting, it could get a T for teen rating instead of M (Mature).
-Any microtransactions of any kind make a game ineligible for any rating below E10+ (Everyone 10+), and must be labelled. E10+ and T may include cosmetic MTX, M may include gameplay MTX, Adults Only may include slots and gambling.
-Labels would include cosmetic MTX (for strictly cosmetic items), gameplay MTX (Includes progression boosters, time savers, exclusive weapons, increased loot drops, etc), Slots and Gambling
@@Frostea the only companies that answer to the ESRB are developers who need their game rated. If a company doesn't get their game rated, there are consequences, including being unable to properly print the disc cases and market to the appropriate audience.
Yes, digital releases are a thing, but trailers show that many games get rated by the board anyways so they have a rating to advertise since children cannot legally buy M+ games without parental consent.
Now, the government could essentially give the ESRB more authority in this hypothetical scenario, and create this possible shift in the industry. We know the ESRB is slow to adapt on its own, but they could have an impact if they chose to.
In Australia, Rimworld was recently denied classification by the ratings board after already being available for purchase for months and sales from steam and all sources were suspended. There are solutions like this that can be levied against developers, they simply aren't because self-regulation and legal requirements are not the same thing.
But imagine a world.
@@Killajake99 you, i like you
Happy I Uninstalled all blizzard games around a year back. I was already worn out with the monetization strategies and the final straw was the mistreatment of workers and the Cosby room. Mind you they just liked the sweaters right? Now this wow. Beyond insane. I hope they go bankrupt or are closed down for being scam artists. What a fall from being the world's best creators. 🤯
Diablo died a long time ago when they fired Blizzard North
diablo died when poe alpha came out l0l
@@lemmeknow5204 was dead long before that PoE just filled the empty spot.
@@lemmeknow5204 it was already, PoE was created because it died!
@Jk act 1-3 was better then d3 l0l
Really sad to see Blizzard turning into other garbage developers, how the mighty have fallen
every publicly traded company does this.
Truly,
This is happening with all devs and all games. Gaming is dead.
@@rezcellent that’s not even remotely true.
I'm a little bummed by seeing this. I was going to try the game but after seeing blizzard's dispicable blatant money grab, I guess I won't even download it. RIP Diablo
Don't let it discourage you forreal. I'm not, by any means, trying to argue in favor of Blizzard. But I'm level 52 now and haven't spent a single penny I swear!
You don't have to buy any of that stuff so far in my experience 🤷♂️
Look at asmongold's video " Pay 2 Win vs Free to pay. I rest my case
There's always people like you in gacha game that doesn't pay throughout the game
That doesn't mean other people won't pay, the predatory scheme will eventually affect some people.
I mean, my friend too didn't spend any money in gacha like Genshin, so?
I'm not saying it won't work for making money, I am saying I am speaking with my wallet. I won't spend money with blizzard, just like if it's an EA game. If more of us started to do this then we can send a msg
i dont want to upgrade gear. i want to find gear. i feel like removing those legendary emblems (which give you a ridiculously low chance of getting a really good legendary gem) could be a huge step in the right direction. the battlepasses and small stashes of bullshit dont give you a huge advantage. the whole gem shit is horrible though. and i want to trade the items i find, which is a huge part of the game.
i dont want the game to be supereasy. i want somewhat of a challenge to adapt to certain monsters and bosses, not just run towards them in a straight line, spam the attack button and collect upgrade materials after 30 seconds.
a german youtube channel put it quite good: the best of diablo without the best of diablo. the game is close to being awesome, it just misses every aspect that makes it diablo and replaces the void with lootboxes.
I find it disturbing that there are people like you who support the game by playing it knowing full well what your getting into ....
Then what do you do? Complain about it on the internet.....
Seems fucking weird to me tbh.
As someone who hasn't given money to Blizzard since Diablo 1, I can watch the company burn to the ground and watch their IPs get sold out in peace.
Blizzard is owned by Microsoft so nothing will be sold off
@@Mako2401 not yet until the sale is finalized
U didnt try diablo 2 bro?
You missed out on some great games dude yikes.
@@latle111 I haven't, one day I will though
I played this game... It's fun... There's a good Diablo game there. With that being said it's bogged down with a ridiculous amount of pay to win micro transactions. Never thought there was a way to make this game pay to win... But they managed to do it.
You never thought there was a way to make this pay to win? What was the RMAH in old D3 in you opinion?
@@Illusive1313 Diablo 3 on launch was one of the biggest disappointments. When that happened, I don't know how long it took, but the online auction house was removed and they started making Diablo 3 enjoyable with loot 2.0.
The RMAH was a travesty no doubt, but it wasn't added with the intention to make the game P2W, it was added to kill the websites that were already doing what the RMAH did. Was there dollar signs in their eyes when doing it? Yes. But similar to WoW tokens they just took something that was going to exist anyways and made it safer. That is why their decision to change how loot worked entirely was the better decision later on.
@@midnitdragoon it was too late by then. Most people stopped playing at that point.
I love ziz, I dont always agree with him, but he is extremely consistent and honest, and he often can look past whats good for him and instead see whats good for the game
What a badass compliment thank you
@@Zizaran thank you for being one of the rare few poe content creators that makes HONEST content, too much build clickbaiting and straight dishonesty even from 'trusted' softcore streamers with regards to build guides/showcases
Him and Mathil are the face of POE on Twitch. Were Ziz is the more beginner friendly l.
The strength of a critic lies in their consistancy. - Dunkey
Excluding the "lost ark p2w video" lol , he got wrecked by dislikes and saved by youtube politics to not show dislike numbers
when i was a kid d2 was the first game i remember playing... i loved it so much, played it 24/7, despite the fact i was REALLY young. i ended up hand writing a letter in terrible writing which my dad sent to blizzard from Australia telling them i loved the game and couldnt wait for the 3rd one and i suggested being able to play as evil characters. a month later i get a letter back from blizzard saying they appreciated i loved the game, saying they loved the suggestions but were working on something else atm. i grew older and just thought my dad had written the response but a couple months ago he confirmed it was legitimate. i cant believe i lost that letter. what a company they were
Blizzard was awesome before, 90's, early 00's and so on, and the games as well, Blackthorne, The Lost Vikings, Warcraft 1, 2, etc etc. Now I just feel like the magic has been lost, they've been bought and everything started to become just 0 and 1, plus and minus, profit and loss, and nothing else.
It might have started before, I have no idea, but it just feels like it.
cool story thanks for sharing
But everything changed when the Activision nation attacked.
You know at blizz conventions how you can ask the devs/leads questions in front of everyone?
I want someone to just ask them "Will Blizzard ever make a game that doesn't have micro transactions?"... And after they say no just walk away
Lets hope they give a mic so you can drop that. Just for the extra oomph
This is the reality of the free market at work, these are the games people are demanding whether we like it or not. When a game is free to play and you choose not to play cause of it, a single person spending a few thousand dollars makes up for hundreds of people who chose not to play the game cause of it. Predatory pricing in gaming will only get worse without a crackdown by governments.
@@Outwardpd Ye thats the problem. These games are focused on big spenders only. Not the guy that spends 100.
That why all 100 dollar spenders should just stay away. Let the whales have the game. To play against other whales only.
@@Syphirioth I'd bring one of those fake microphones you find in the toy aisle at department stores, just so I have something microphone-shaped to drop.
I'm just so disappointed in Blizzard that I don't have anything to say anymore. These videos just nail my feelings & thoughts towards the company. Thank you to guys like Asmongold & Zizaran, for seeing & saying things just as they are.
Hate to tell you but this is the future of gaming. If you want to be ‘top tier’ in any game in the future, it will be pay to win. The rich always win and they’ve found a way to make money > skill in gaming.
@@yolohansolo6136 I don't agree. I do agree that there will be more p2w games and it will be more extreme, but I'm sure that there will also be a lot of games that are completely based on skill. In about a year there will be a game called clementines nightmare, just remember it. A couple big gaming companies are contracted with this new company that is creating this game and it's gonna be quite revolutionary. I love the founders and they are great people. They are making a game based that will be a 3v3 auto battler with card mechanics. It's gonna be something new on the market and I believe they could be something huge in the future. Remember the name "Clementine's Nightmare".
People who enjoy the game: Real life NPCs with low standards, low capacity for rational thought, and easily entertained.
Similar to people from idiocracy.
For a mobile game, it's pretty good. Not sure how anyone can deny that, monetization aside.
The pepega swipers have won. It's over boys :(
@@Adumbbomb810 its really simple the monetization cannot be putted aside since they are constantly bombarding the user with it, it is a bad game as it is planned to be as annoying as possible so the user ends up paying or playing in a miserable state
Or u know people just like different things than you lol
@@Tresande or you guys just have 0 self control lol. I'm F2P on all mobile games I play and if I don't enjoy the game anymore I just quit. Diablo immortal is a good mobile game compared to the other garbage out there right now for F2P players, saying don't play the game at all just because of MTX is just dumb af. You're not doing anything because the people who want to spend money are already on it spending money.
Imagine having to pay these bums and then make sure you login everyday just to 'improve' their player metrics/retention overtime so that you can get what you paid for (and if you don't, you spend your money and get nothing). Diablo Immoral (Made in China Diablo) has the most predatory microtransactions in gaming history, this should be illegal and Blizzard/Activision should be sued for it.
That's a common mechanic in Mobile games. I remember it in several games I've played. The icing on the cake is Blizzard couldn't even come up with something original to milk their playerbase.
Its normal thing to make the community active. Its like genshin. Theres alot of ppl like it. The boon is fine but other things no need to have sales in. But its a good game so far.
@@tourisman other games doing crappy things doesn’t justify doing crappy things. Having to log in for rewards is the most scummy way possible. There’s greedy games that don’t even do that to players. It’s trash. Period.
Its not even close to some Korean mmo in term of Predatory monétization, thrust me i lost a lot of Monet
The Blizzard devs poured "years of bloody sweat" (according to Doyounothavephones Guy) to make an asset flip of Diablo 3 which now doubles as a mobile cash shop? They're exposing their own lack of talent in the dev team smh
@@olfan92 totally. Probably more content even
Before I even read the tweet I though "what are you doing." There is no way to defend yourself without disparaging your employer, and if you say anything positive about Diablo Immoral you're going to get EVEN MORE crucified by the fanbase. There was no winning for Wyatt here, he should have just kept his mouth shut.
Does zizaran work for blizzard?
@@JxKITCH Tell me you didn't read the comment without telling me you didn't read the comment.
@@DefianceOrDishonor bro idk who Wyatt is. So Wyatt is not zizaran s name I'm guessing
@@JxKITCH No, but Wyatt, the person I referred to by name, does.
@@TheBackwardsLegsMan is Wyatt the forum post (don't have phones) or something
Ziz is my go to PoE content creator, and his points on DI hits all the truth
I disagree with him. EVERY mobile game is pay to be 100% optimal, not pay to win. I play a lot of mobile games, I buy what i want, not what I need. Diablo is fun and totally playable without whaling, people just like to make a huge deal out of nothing
@@raijuko p2optimal is true, but p2w is a diff thing, if you wanna try get a high rank as a f2p player will you never beat anyone that pays, it's a huge deal because blizzard shouldn't be doing this. Is a disgusting piece of shit and tbh shouldn't even exist.
@@raijuko Disagree with what exactly? He is recounting the mechanics (lost battle pass after purchase, greatly reduced gem find and progression, and costs to scale) all of his complaints are based on stated mechanics. DI's predatory monetization is a massive departure for Blizzard even when compared to their previous mobile offerings. But generally you're absolutely right! There was a time that calling Acti-Blizz a 'Mobile Game Gacha-Mechanic Scam Company' would have been the perfect rage bait for the gaming community, that's no longer true with the release of DI. In DI you have two choices, 10 years F2P (missing no daily bonuses) or spend apprx. $100,000 today.
@@ash-id9ss i mean those arguments that you lost something you bought are such a stretch. Daily rewards are part of the pass, not all of it and its like saying i bought 3 day xp booster in lol and didnt played for 2 days. Sure its not great and its a p2skip game but saying that you lost something u paid for is such a dishonest stretch, u got lesser value of that monthly thingy, not lost it.
@@raijuko and the reason why mobile games are like that and will continue to be is because people are gullible enough to keep supporting those types of systems. So it's not making a big deal out of nothing.
the saddest thing about this game for me is that on a phone, it actually plays pretty well. for me, anyway. it could have been a GOOD mobile game. the combat controls are responsive and fun, like any other blizz game. it could have been good, but this is proof that blizz does not care anymore about making good games. can't wait for poe mobile though.
It is good
I’m sorry , there is no such thing as GOOD mobile.
@@grocksauce7422 your opinion
You shouldn't be allowed to tell someone they cannot make a game but
The gaming companies also shouldn't be allowed to use mental tricks they've learned through years of gathering information to use that against a player base.
When they know how the average person will react better than you know how you'd react and then they use this info to create scummy things like this.
Anyways, earlier I said it was fine but the more I research it the more I don't like.
Yeah let them make it but countries can decide that they dont want that game being sold in their country because of the disgusting gambling aspects.
I agree that predatory practices should be more regulated, but using mental tactics to encourage people to buy things is not inherently malicious. It’s a really difficult issue to legislate without denying people their right to operate and monetize their products how they want.
@@parker4025 it is 100% malicious. Preying on kids, the mentally ill, and addicts is 100% malicious. We already regulate things like this with no fuss from anyone because it is 100% malicious. Good God…
I personally dont see stashtabs in poe or poe in general as p2w. why?
1. Do you need them?
- you have the option to do everything in the game without those stashtabs. (even sell items etc.)
2. How much?
- they are effordable. If you buy all the stashtabs that have high qol value, you spend less 40 bucks which is less than buying a normal full price game. (currency, map, quadtab etc.)
I personally dont think that a game, that requieres you to pay 60 bucks max to unlock its full potential, can ever be pay to win.
3. diminishing return:
- spending more and more money doesnt get you anything. diminishing returns decrease.
additionally:
I dont think p2w has anything to do with pvp or competing. e.g. a single player farming simulator can be p2w.
How does selling without the tabs work? Do you list it on the website?
The greed is real with this one. Lets see how far they can take it.
When this shit was announced, I knew it was going to be a game like all the other hundreds of cash grabbing trash. Still, I gave it a go for 2 hours, and it was just as I expected. I'm not mad at Blizzard for slapping the Diablo brand onto it -- just really fucking disappointed.
The only question was whether it was a complete shit of a cash grab or mildly fun while they had a fishing hook in your wallet
If you want to know all of the end between story elements then you must play this because Star Wars did this a long time ago for the Star Wars universe to understand what happened between a lot of the different movies for different character points
while I'm tempted to agree with you... They at least did a better job with this, than Warcraft III Reforged.
you cant say fuck ingame, but indeed they can fuck you.
2 hours? Bruh, you're in a section of the game where paying doesn't even matter yet. Im 10 hours in and I don't even have proper PVE gear (which is free to obtain and cannot be paid for). How can you be disappointed when Bellular, Rhykker, and most people say campaign is actually good lol
“I don’t like gambling” then saying he’s going all out to show you guys…. Your still DIRECTLY supporting the developers and this type of behavior. There is nothing to show, we know what this type of gambling is, you do this for views and is therefor an accomplice to the behavior
Strap in boi there is no stopping this MTX ride. Is about to get even crazier. The eye of this storm is still out of sight. ASMONBOLDO spoke out for years against this shit, he doesn´t matter, you don´t matter, I don´t matter. Enjoy.
@@gonza2477 hu? You drunk?
I'm quite relieved that I never played Blizzard games. They are just demanding you to pay money, to play their free game. RIDICULOUS.
Blizzard used to make the best games in the world. it's sad that you've never played any blizzard game. Immortal is the first cash grab game, and it only costs money because you feel like you need to compete with other people, otherwise the game is fine. You have a skewed sense of social justice regarding something you know nothing about and apparently hasn't tried out.
I only played Warcraft III and it was on internet cafes.
Ok FF Andy
Pretty much like that... Diablo 3 is expensive to have been relesased 10+ years ago. Although I bought diablo 3 and I had been having tons of fun with it, after you buy it (the full game), thats it. I also think that these "semi-f2p" new mmorpgs are ridiculous :(
@SoA Well... alright. It was only an opinion. If it annoyed you, I don't know... I apologize.
9 months of playing Diablo Immortal report: At paragon level 950 as a Barbarian I am super strong and have a badass, powerful custom build. I have spent $0.00 on this game. I can kill an Elder Rift boss in 18-20 seconds. Comparing myself to other players who after questioning and interviews have spent between $500 to $1,000 in the game on microtransaction gems they take between 10-8 seconds to kill the same boss.
Where microtransaction gems really matter are in infernal raids (paragon 800-1,300) in which a group of 8 whale players can kill a boss with 100,000,000 health in a matter of seconds. However, saying "really matter" is up for debate because when the boss dies in this scenario there's 8 minutes & 30 seconds out of 9 minutes remaining on the raid boss timer. A group of none microtransaction free to play players would probably spend 4 to 6 minutes to defeat the boss as long as it went smoothly and everyone knew the fight.
The conclusion is that Diablo Immortal's microtransaction gems aren't necessary to fully play and enjoy the endgame and earlier sections of the game where they start pushing the microtransactions on you. All they do is save you time and make the levels faster and the enemies die quicker.
I play this game on my tablet when I'm taking a ****** or watching a meh movie with my family. If you're playing on PC there's so many better ftp and ptp games in this genre. I play Path of Exile and will switch to Path of Exile 2 later this year. Path of Exile mobile is also still in development so that'll be a competitor to D8ablo Immortal when it comes out.
There's supposed to be a new class coming out in June or July 2024, so I'd like either a witch doctor, Shaman/druid or some kind of dash/teleporting assassin with knives. Maybe a badass juggernaut class with a huge warhammer that hits slow but super hard. Most insiders are saying it's gonna be a Tempest which would be an elementalest with a sword or something.
The only part of any of this that surprises me is that enough people haven't fully boycotted Blizzard yet, and that they even have players left to complain about it.
People barely boycott Nestle for the crap they do AND THEY FRIGGIN MESS WITH THE ACTUAL LIFE OF LIVING HUMANS.
Blizzard would really need to drop a grenade at their feet for something to happen
@@bananasmoussestachio9017
Unfortunately you're fully right.
It's why megacorps rule the world.
The only thing i would argue is that predatory monetization schemes and shitty workplace practices are also very harmful to real people and their lives. Not to mention when they willfully take the side of autocrats over people, like with the Blitzchung situation.
Somehow I really thought that would be the end of Blizzard.
Blizzard removes negative reviews in the play market and apple store)
I know he's playing it up like a meme, but the almost evil grins as Asmon acknowledges that game companies haven't scratched the surface of gouging their customers is really unsettling to me. He's in a position where he has A. unlimited free time and B. unlimited money, something almost nobody else in the world has both of, so of course he can swipe and still be able to play the games he wants to play. Meanwhile, the majority of the target audience is left feeling like they can either play 10% of a game for free, or pay out their fucking nose for the other 90%. Idk, for someone who always preached himself as a "man of the people" I'm seeing pretty much the opposite from baldy recently.
Then the common response you'll get from the asmon fans is 'Then don't watch him' time to echo chamber it up boooyyyzzz
3 options, play 10%, pay to the other 90% OR don't play at all. Also what do you care what he does, he's clearly out to expose them and enjoy the freedoms he worked hard for. Most people don't realize streaming is not just "free time"
So is it the same characters and skills from d3 just on another title ?
I'm disappointed even though I haven’t played any of blizzard games other than OW, like I can’t imagine the fans who actually went through all of this until now, it must be devastating to see such great games become like this... it's really a shame
it's a slow burn, watching this corruption to what blizzard was as far back as 2008
Honestly, same here i retrospectively i am glad that the only time i gave blizzard money it was to buy overwatch, its been with a mix of glee and sadness that i witness the entire company become a husk of what they once where
I think they can make it pay to win, but what should be illegal is loot boxes or paying money for a chance to get what the person wants.
Gambling and kids are not a good mix, for fully developed brains, yes gambling can be a fun pastime , but for kids no, just… no.
I already know I suck at games like this, and no amount of upgrading gear will make me better. I just play them for a time sink, and to watch stuff blow up, so I will always be free to play... or as I call it free to lose. :)
Warcraft: Deformed seems almost quaint now. Remember that? the big outrage was that they re-released old content with just enough changes to trick people into thinking it was an actual upgrade?
well not only is this game clearly just a low-effort re-release of Diablo III, but they've also attached an absurdly unethical, in some countries ILLEGAL, gambling p2w system to it. amazing. they've out-scumbagged themselves.
Don't hurt my zizaran boy :(, He's a path of exile player he just not get used to these kind of monetization. He's a really cool path of exile youtuber I learned a lot from him
It's interesting seeing people's reactions from console (minimal p2w) and pc (fair p2w) check out mobile games for the first time and lose their shit at prices and what p2w truly looks like. So many mobile games follow these exact structures and they've been around forever gachas etc. Been playing mobile games for years and they all push $50-100 packs for minimal gains to the point that spending a few hundred bucks a month is considered casual. Mobile games are in a whole other realm in terms of p2w and seeing it for the first time after being a console/pc player must be quite a shell shock.
Exactly
As someone who's just dabbled in mobile games I can tell you that a lot of games actually have this model with the 30 to 90 day passes. The one that I paid the most was Heros of Mythic Might. I strictly use Google survey money to purchase things for the game and I saved enough for the 30-day pass... it's just like in Diablo immortal where if you do not log in everyday you will literally miss a day of rewards. I missed out on about 3 days due to getting sick to the point where I didn't even want to look at my phone. Lmao
Yeah it’s nothing new they r just copying other mobile games
passes are not new.. but did they have you lose login mats and such if you paid for it?.. that's new to me..
@@onyxcitadel9759 Bruh... Paid login rewards are common in mobile games. This is literally how f2p mobile game works. Nothing new. I'm surprised not many ppl understand this.
Yooo a fellow google play point user. I've hoarded points forever and I was able to buy like 6 bundles for $0 usd. Finally a use for my survey points lmao
@@numerowan69 maybe you missed what i asked.. .. paid login rewards..that you can lose ?... I've seen them but you don't lose them.. as i said..that is new to me.
At 19:47 the difference is (I'm assuming) since the materials can be used for crafting gear it can be time gated, and then they subsequently add another fee to skip the timer.
9:10
we could legislate only cosmetic mtx to be allowed.
which would also mean no pay to win
which would also mean games would have to be designed in a way that plays nice in order to sell cosmetics.
you can argue against p2w in a funky way as well.
ppl who pay to skip etc, are basically "cheating with money" and will also get bored of the game a lot more since they are skipping parts of the game..
the game's purpose shouldn't be to make you want to skip playing it. like wtf.
and next we should legislate paintings you can make
and maybe tell people who they can sell them to and for how much
because private people doing art should be policed and told how much that art is worth
@@xelloskaczor5051 Or next we'll limit peoples game time to 2 hours a day because the pay2win crowed with their jobs, dont have the time to grind out these games and keep up with people that only work 8 hours a day. Then next, we'll lock all games to 60 fps because those people that work, have wives and kids cant afford to spend 5k on a PC because they have kids to support and a mortgage to pay. Then we'll reduce the damage output of those really good players because the shit players cant ever be good enough SKILL WISE to keep up.
Where does this retarded logic end?
@@xelloskaczor5051 Game devs aren't doing "art" when they sell you a fucking gem in diablo immoral for $10. What they're doing is psychological warfare to extort money out of people, including minors. Furthermore, art can be worth millions because it's an investment. You don't invest shit by buying bound digital goods, your money literally goes down the drain, you don't even really own anything.
@@xelloskaczor5051 Your grounded and well reasoned counter argument is completely wasted on Twitch viewers.
Here's a simple solution, as long as its not gambling it is legal. Don't play a game you don't like simple, don't tell people how to monetize their game
Doesn't the welkin moon pack in genshin (the $5 one) also give 30 days worth of gems (90 a day) but only if you login daily? If you miss a day then you lose the 90 for that day.
I'm surprised out of all the genshin drama since it came out that has never really been hated on.
I laughed so hard snot came out of my nose when he did the viewer voice "But Asmonbald!" Lmao
No you didn’t
lol I was reading your comment as he said "but asmonbald!"
The main problem I have with pay to win is when the free to play experience is greatly degraded in order to get more people to spend money.
It's pretty obvious when gameplay decisions were made not to make the game better, but to advertise that if you spend money you wouldn't be wasting as much time.
That being said I'm not completely against paying to reduce a grind, just when the free to play grind is made excessive to try to get you to pay.
also don't get me started on free to play games, that advertise as free to play, that hard limit how much time you can play so aggressively it makes you wonder how anyone enjoys them without spending money to play more.
i knew it...i knew from the beginning that Diablo Immortal was gonna be a mistake
It’s surprisingly good. The you tubers just monitising on the pay to win aspect. It’s not that bad at all. Amazing game.
I agree DI is pay to win. But POE is the same. Stash tabs is an advantage. I’m also pretty sure cosmetic stuff has some hidden drop rate increase stat. I bought a cosmetic pack there and currencies chaos orbs and blessed orbs dropped frequently. Like I’m guaranteed a drop every 4 hours or so
Uhhh, if you bought a cosmetic in 3.18 it has nothing to do with it. The drops are increased because sentinels increase item quant by a LOT. Just to give an example, in 3.17 I dropped maybe 4-5 raw exalts in a month, while in 3.18 I've dropped 9 in just one week, and like 20 in total (I'd have to look at my playtime) it's all because of sentinels.
You don’t have to make stuff up to try and defend Immoral
Ive played this game with a friend upwards of 100+ hours during beta, alot of the microtransactions wernt in yet so we never saw them but we had plenty of fun with the game in that time.
That's what I'm doing right now, just playing through the content of the game. It's fun so far. Cuz I play the game just to play it. I'm not one of those who are trying for world first or trying to get and be the best of the best...I don't have the damn time to do that in general, lol.
If this was not on PC no one would be talking about it. Mobile players are used to this kind of monetization. It's been a thing since the beginning of smart phones. PC players aren't used to this kind of thing so they definitely complain more.
You can tell people don't play mobile games when they are coming to Diabloe Immortal. The daily login pass has been in half the mobile games I've quit. The monetization is mobile standard. Its rare to see anything reasonable for F2P mobile games. Its shit, but its normal shit not extraordinary. That's why they did this. Because the audience was mobile gamers and this is what mobile games do.
The problem is that in mobile gaming its to close to the wallet. Google and apple play just needs your thumb to make the payment. Now change that with a computer where every purchase you need to type in payment info. At the end its about removing the steps to your wallet
I quit the game after getting level-gated. Not even getting hit by enemies, and the game tells me i'm too low to progress. I actually wanted to see the storyline too. Please include some lore in your playthrough videos Mr asmonGold
You know there's free activities for leveling right.
You can do the story completely free
Little Bimmy: "But Asmonbald, it's not going to be pay to win how would you know that?"
Asmongold: "It's very simple. I'm part of the problem allowing it to be. By the way, if any of you spend over $5k you get the pleasure to talk to me."
Insert shit eating grin.
*Acitivision Blizzard smiles harder*
what's worse is its not even asmongolds money he is spending, its money that was donated to him by subs , gifted to him on pateron, or some other money transfer app or site. Yet, they play it off as its my money guys that I'm spending so you don't have too. lmao. streamers then will put subtle hints in there streams "oh, that's a lot of money. I'm not going to spend that kind of money, UNLESS someone gives it to me. HINT HINT. streamers can be just as predatory as these game company's sometimes.
@@user-wt6kg7kp5v it becomes his money after its donated. Also asmon is not really predatory when compared to other streamers
As someone who played Korean MMOs, TQ, NetDragon nonsense, to think 5k is a whaling amount is sadly not the case. Going back 15 years I had online friends who would give card details to friends because they had hit their 10k limit for the month. Some people have an abundance of money and enjoy the power grab p2w games offer. It was always interesting speaking to them and hearing how/why. One of the top players in the first mmo I played was a hotel chain owner and had a lot of oil money. I think it’s worthwhile Asmon speaking to these whales about their income so little timmy realises it’s not worth spending any money as they simply can’t compete.
I was shocked when i heard about the amounts of money people spend on these games like raid shadow legends. Like I thought like $100 over 1-3 months was a lot, like its a mobile game, I could buy a proper PC or PS4 game fro $100.
But then you hear of people spending $200 a month, 2000 a month, some Dubai whales spending 125,000 in an unknown timeframe. Like kudos to the game developer selling pixels for mega dollars.
I love seeing all these reactions from people who have never played a mobile game before, you are about 8 years too late trying to fight this battle rofl. Welcome to mobile gaming.
Can’t even play the game myself because everytime I’m trying to make my character it just sends me back to the class selection screen
Damn right we should be able to legislate the hell out of the industry. At this point it's less about the game and more about the wallets. The industry needs a moral overhaul and a monetary crash to weed these greed-ridden dbags out and remove them like the cancerous sores they are.
Unfortunately, these kind of login pass has been around for roughly 15 years, give or take.
First present in free MMOs, the mobile games took the reigns.
I am surprised some people havent heard about it yet.
This video pretty much exposes intelligence of asmongold and his audience doing shills for him, he's all about get that trending fame by reacting to it without putting any efforts, fake hating on Blizzard and later funding them with huge sum buying bp and stuff it shows how genius this guy is too. Tbh I'd rather support streamers who have skills rather than this petty bs. Streamer with skills at least are watchable and aren't cringe like this guy, his audience must've have gone senile to watch such rock hard coomer whale.
Hes a pay2win andy the guy who used to encourage his viewers to spit on people with store mounts did a complete 180 and the sheep in his echo chamber follows his example
What he's doing seems consistent with what he said he was going to do with the game. He said he was going to play the game, spend a bunch of money on it and show how horribly cash grabby and p2w the game actually is to everyone.
He does stuff for the content and what’s trending. He admits that lol it’s not like he’s gaming and hoping people will watch he’s actively trying to reach the audience. I don’t see a problem with that.
Honestly I’m sure he’s bored of a lot of games but all games suck now especially mmos. They’re fun for a couple weeks or a month and fall off. If wow was still great he would be content streaming wow…. But it’s not and now he’s chasing the best content. His channel evolved and I enjoy it
Lmao, ya zero view streamer
You think streamers are high art? lmao you're literally watching people play video games and react to what's trending online. If you don't enjoy asmongold because you think he's dumb, you're likely pretentious yourself.
Just gunna say I'm a mobile gamer and I hate this game being pretty heavily pay 2 win, mobile gamers and PC gamers aren't different at all just saying
Yes, they should legislate Pay to Win, as it is basically gambling and creating addicts.
That’s not the question he asked. He asked if we should be allowed to prevent people from making their games pay to win, and if you think we should be allowed to tell people whether or not to monetize their products, you’re a dumbass on a fundamental level. If you don’t see how that’s an absolute violation of someone’s rights I don’t even know what to say to you. Obviously they should regulate pay 2 win for predatory practices aimed at children etc, but NOBODY should be allowed to tell someone who made something (within reason) that they can’t monetize and sell it.
Well asmongold. Funny story here. I am a whale myself in a mobile game. Maybe not so much in Diablo Immoral, but I know a few things and have experience in that topic. I'd be happy to answer any questions or talk about it and the gambling aspect of it.
I was so angry at how pay to win this game is. After buying like 25-30$ worth I realised this after watching more videos. They fucking scammed me. I felt so shitty that I came to my wife and quit gaming because I have a problem.
lol. you have never played a gacha game have you? DI is pretty much targeted towards that same market with the monetization. Essentially, don't ever spend money on the game unless you are going to be spending hundreds/thousands per month. Small spenders almost get nothing in a RNG game lol.
I'm glad you got some self-awareness, but I wouldn't say that you have a problem if you only spent $25-30.
You serious? You could've bought Diablo 3 with that money. Lmao
Yeah. I played gacha games alot. Also iv spent over 900$ in a single month on phone games. Also I dont play consol or pc anymore because that what I did when I was a loser. Now Im a fken chad
@@seewaldsja Get scammed $900 a month but $20-30 is a big no no, eh? Not playing on PC because you're a "Chad"?
Should've known I was talking to a fatherless idiot from the start.
Why is he repeating so often he's ok with Pay to Win?
PTW destroys any game, as it automatically comes with artificial progress gating and plays on all these psychological effects. You won't find a single PTW game that does not employ them and the fact he's ok with it, shows how far even gamers themselves have been boiled like frogs to accept this.
Especially in a game like Diablo where the loot by definition always had lootbox style elements as that was part of the surprise and appeal ... when it didn't cost money to get better odds, just time and skill.
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They would have made more money, if they actually made the game good and removed the P2W aspect and made the game $50
no they wouldnt
@@whentheuh there are more die hard Diablo fans than P2W players.
Diablo has a history of great games and Diablo immortal isn’t one of them because it’s pretty much just a copy and paste from diablo 3.
If they actually put in some work in developing new systems and combat, removed the P2W aspect and added a price tag to the game.
They would have the same large Player-base they had when Diablo 3 launched which was Millions of players.
If he hasn't seen games try to squeeze players this hard, I've got a lot of Nexon and Korean monetization schemes to show him.
And RE: the ending, it's incredibly common to not directly monetize the primary power acquisition method (xp or currency), and instead abstract it to auxiliary power accrual system. DFO did this with reinforce/refine/avatar/emblem/enchantment systems, Maplestory did this with cubes, it's a very common scheme.
Diablo Immortal is lowkey really good just dont spend money it's super fun as F2P
Right!? I agree. It's playable without spending money. If you choose to gamble on the stores that's your problem, get help, don't play f2p games, cause you know your problem at that point.
I don't know what people look for in mobile games. Getting all BIS with f2p? That's unrealistic expectations. For me, I only want to sink my time for fun for like 4 days.
i dont like the controls. the movement and how you aim spells seems really wierd to me. I cant get used to it.
So that $10 monthly thing is basically Genshin Impact's Welkin Moon $5 monthly thing, right? I don't think you can get the daily allowance of Primogems for a day if you don't log in on that day.
it's funny to realize how many thousands of $, a simple video like this, costs to Blizzard. And I'm so happy about it
Costs? You do know all these streamers are doing is just promoting the game? If everyone just stopped playing shitty games we wouldn't see these games being made. Cause if you think that asmongold hasn't made a lot of people start playing the game out of curiosity then you're delusional.
@@Joppas_ yeah but he made more not play it
@@dokanyon Nah, made more people curious about it.
If Blizzard executives sexual harass their own workers, stealing money and making Diablo P2W is nothing…
If you still work for this shitshow of a company. you own everything that's coming your way if you're responsible for it or not!
ah yes very healthy reasoning
oh yes so they should just leave and lose their livelihood and income, sounds like a great idea.
@@madsiesOW exactly. people have neither pride nor shame these days, i'd rather sweep the streets than work for that trashy company.
This is my first time seeing anything about Immortal since the original booing at the first announcement. I made it 2:31 into the video and I am already pissed off at Blizzard.
Installed this game a couple days ago with intent to try it. Just uninstalled it with 0 seconds of play time.
Quantumgold
im 39 years old
in my youth, i would play warcraft 1 warcraft 2 warcraft 3 starcraft, diablo 1 diablo 2... i played all of these to exhaustion... and on the launch day of these games, i used to have butterflies in my belly. i had so much love for that company.
beautiful worlds, characters amazing deep lore...
to see its legacy ravaged and raped like this, probably the decision of only 2 or 3 people, saddens me to the core.
That was back then, this is now. Most games that are coming out are pay to play. Or you have the basic core versionof the game and you have to buy updates/upgrades etc. That's what kids now days have to do.
My kid asked if he could buy a skin for a fortnite toon...I laughed.
In Lost ark, as a f2p you can catch the whales in the end-game content whitout spend a single buck.
8:20 the only real difference in Warframe is
A. The most you can possibly skip is 3 days which isn't too long of a wait
B. Platinum is really easy to get for free through grinding resources and selling them
C. You can't get anything exclusive with it so it's not really playing the game differently.
well, there are a lot of things you can’t buy without using platinum. Boosters, slots, catalysts if you need them, forma if you need them. The time gating in warframe makes it VERY pay to win.
@@parker4025 slots can be unlocked through nightwave, boosters are sometimes handed out and there's also blessings in relays, catalysts are handed out for invasions and events, and forma is a common reward in void relics. Even then, platinum is still easy to get for free by selling prime sets, rivens, and arcanes. (Which are all f2p and easy to get minus rivens which take time) the most "time gating" there is is making formas and building Warframes.
When people can't make a game(video or not) because of "laws", that other people DO NOT have to play, there is no freedom left in this world.
I think companies should be able to make any game pay-to-win because as a consumer I'm a fan of voting with my money. If I research a game and I don't like it, I won't play it. I have the option to play a pay-to-win game or to not play it, same as a company can make a game that's pay-to-win or not
legendary emblems cost around 2 dollars and you get 2 free ones per month. you need 50 for a guaranteed x/5 legendary jewels (and there is douzens of different ones) so you wont get the one you want and you can then either upgrade it to 5/5 with the same gem or have the one in 40 luck to finding it from those 50 runs. a single legendary 5/5 will take 800 years f2p or insane luck. you need 6 specific ones for the build you want to play. those 5/5 are around 15 times stronger than the 2/2 you can find as a f2p.
Every Diablo Immoral streamer should have the “Money Spent” counter above their heads like Asmon. Just go maximum clowning on Blizzard.
It’s legit a fun game just don’t fucking pay real money if you don’t want to
I'm surprised Blizzard-Activision isn't trying to copyright strike every negative review. But then again, there is still time for them to do so.
I'll write it here too as I have written it under Ziz video: paid battle pass is not something new. Same goes for daily login rewards: it's a LOGIN reward, if you know you don't even log in each day, there's no point in buying it. It's more for a regular players. Stop making known and common mechanics sound like something new. The problem are the rewards themselves, not how they are delivered.
Phone "gamers" ARE VERY DIFFERENT than REAL gamers:
When I was homeless I had no choice but to play phone games... and this kind of thing in phone games is to be expected. Even in PVP games.
This is the normal for phone games and why companies are pushing to move gaming to phones - FAR less development for a phone only game and FAR more profit.
If we are to allow publishers to create gambling based pay to win systems in games, then they should be subject to relevant gambling laws and licenses in each country. If a casino was to produce a website that did what Diablo Immortal does, with no protection for problem gamblers and incentivised the player to spend more regardless of how much they already spent, ignoring any limits, any KYC checks, any money laundering and so on, they would be fined hundreds of thousands, into the millions and potentially disallowed from running a gambling license. It's no different here.
Someone said, they will finally work on wc 3 reforged... Now I'm kind of scared to lose this game 4 ever 😢
I see asmongold going the xqc route, just straight up being okay with gambling and p2w
Blizzard will drop the rates for Immortal suite a bit so people will be happier but in the end it'll still be alot, if they had started at that rate people would still have been mad and outrageous.
It's so obvious it hurts.
They're probably also testing with how much MTX they can get away with for D4 when it finally releases
Wyatt stayed at the company after the phones incident ... He knows what's going on.
I feel sorry for the people who spent money on this garbage. If we want to change the company, it is not the company that has to change us....we need to change the company. I already uninstalled the "game" because I didn't like the aggressive environment of sales of things as basic as opening chests....it's something so low, vile and small that I want to vomit! I really wanted microsoft to take over the leadership of the company and that the first act would be to fire all activision staff starting with wyatt....
Honestly I’m feeling the same about Destiny 2 lately, if I don’t login and put effort into levelling I lose the value of my season pass completely… that sucks and this opened my eyes to greed!
Can you elaborate on that? I just started playing that game. You lose all value of the pass completely if you don't log in for how long?
As a consumer, hell yeah we can and should do that, 100%. Even the whales don’t want pay to win, so how about we make it everyone wins because there’s no pay to win bs in games.
I get the point you’re trying to make but this level of manipulation is easily on the needs legislation side of things.
If you think that we should be allowed to prevent people from monetizing their products how they want because it makes YOU FEEL uncomfortable and angry, you clearly don’t understand the point he’s trying to make. You’re arguing for removing peoples right to sell their product because it makes you feel icky. What happens when you make something that makes someone else feel unhappy and try to sell it? They should be allowed to ban you from selling it? That’s disgusting shit dude.
when they announced diablo immortal, it was a desaster. they had so much time proving the community wrong and delivering something good. and what did they do? its worse than a kick in the nuts to every single diablo fan and every single gamer.
Just to be perfectly clear... P2W is when you in any way shape or form can:
1. Directly or indirectly exchange real money into in-game currency (generally just about anything you can sell in auction or via direct trades).
2. Directly or indirectly can spend real money to prevent death or losses (like potions, resurrection scrolls, etc).
3. Directly or indirectly buy boosts and discounts for real money (like EXP boosts).
4. Unlock parts of the game or reduce cooldowns, queues, or increase dungeon entry's per day (like premium memberships).
5. Directly selling items like armor, weapons, and/or titles that gives stats or increases animation speeds.
What they all have in common is that real money changes the experience. Maybe you thought if you just buy an EXP boost it won't affect anyone else other than yourself... But what happens if 50% of the playerbase does the same, you have 50% of the players reaching higher levels faster, and that changes things. It changes what loot and probably how much loot is being sold on the market, it increases demand for some items and floods the market with others and that changes item value, making it harder for lower levels to earn a buck. You also reduce the chances for players looking for party-matching as you've boosted your way out of that bubble, indirectly making slower progression for the rest of the players.
In WoW or FFXIV I'm sure things like this doesn't matter that much because they have millions of players, so nobody would actually notice the effects, but most games don't have millions of players, most MMORPG's average around 10-100k players a day.
Loot Boxes on their own is not P2W unless they give items containing any of the P2W elements above, it's just a gambling mechanism but being against them is 100% valid. Just don't whine about how bad Loot Boxes are and then go buy Loot Boxes yourself.
If you're against all of these things, just don't play these games, it's as simple as that... There are a million other games to play, why would you force yourself to play a game that goes against your own standards? Because it's new, because that's what everyone else does? Games are supposed to be enjoyable, so go play the games you enjoy rather than the ones you suffer through or makes you upset. Maybe one day enough players does the same and the industry has to rethink their options before upsetting their customers.
Hearing asmon say "i know im right" alot lately. dude needs an ego check.
I think developers don't have to come up with new "mini games" because they can just dump end game features into shops.
This guy didn't move his character for the whole video of him talking in bottom right of screen.
Knew how this is was gonna go as soon as blizzard said they partnered with net ease
Asmongold watching himself with hair, but with smaller wallet
About the login rewards, Genshin is the exact same thing for the primogem card. If you don't log in, you don't get them.
This is exactly why I will not play a free to play game, it will always have a play to win aspect to it
If Asmongold wouldn't have the money he have from streaming... he would be complaining about the P2W 100%
What do you mean? Asmongold is very vocal on his stance about p2w and that he wants it to be illegal, in what way isn't he complaining about it?
@@840396 Nope not at all... He is feeding the PW2 and calling people that don't a loser, he only cares about putting money and that games should be P2W... now wtf do you mean...?
@@callmejm3073 I take it you don't watch his streams or are able to see beyond his character. He stated several times that p2w is slowly becoming normalized and the only way to stop it is by making it illegal, he stated it several times on both his stream both in and out of his Asmongold persona. He's making fun of the system and creating content while doing so.
Yes, he has the funds to blow away on every p2w aspect in this game to further create more revenue for himself and that is only possible because of his streaming/yt-income, but that doesn't change the fact that as a system as a hole, he agrees with it.
@@840396 Please decide does he love P2W or Not? because i watch his stream all the time.... lmao Asmongold love spending money on game's and feeding this system... By him saying the only way to make this illegal it just him saying knowing this won't happen and he Laugh at the people who don't spend money to the game's he even make fun of people that doesn't buy the 99 cent Beginners pack....
(Read my comment again) .... If he really cares about the P2W he should be making Videos like Zizaran did on how bad this system is of P2W... Complaining about this MADNESS and (Not) Feeding this System... Asmongold didn't got famous spending money in games ok.... If Asmongold is very Vocal where are the Videos of him complaining saying this is not ok and they should stop? he makes lots of videos from others things... why not the p2w?
@@callmejm3073 I've already said twice that he doesn't like it, but for you I'll say it a third time.
Asmongold doesn't like p2w and think it should be illegal.
If you've watch Asmongold for a long time you can see that ge changed his content over the years and now he's in the category of react/drama and guess what, DI is a huge shitstorm which will make him a lot of money.
Why didn't he make a video such as Ziz? Because that's one video and then you're done, he can ride this shitstorm for quite a long time by dumbing it down to "I spend my money so you don't have to", in the end he's in this to make money for himself, it's his job and so is playing the persona of Asmongold who goes big dick, doesn't care about anything and just want to have fun, but both in persona and out of persona he has stated (let's mention it once again) that he's against p2w and wants it to be illegal and he thinks that's the only way to stop it.
He fought a battle against store mounts in WoW for some 10 years while being one of the biggest influences to the game, guess what happened? That's right, NOTHING!
So now he's taking a new approach to overuse the system in hopes that someone somewhere will take notice and some kind of action against it will be put in place.
If you're only watching what comes out on YT you're going to miss a lot of things that's being said between the lines but Im pretty sure he has stated his opinion in one or several of his reaction videos here on YT aswell, but I'm not going to look up which one.