Episode 130 ... Dewey and Lippman on Democracy
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GREAT EXPLAINATION. I'm adding this to my favorites, thanks ❤❤❤
And that's why an open mind (limited as it is), lifelong education, a critical approach, and conversations with others can only help. No absolutes here.
Lippmann's genius was to understand the effects of industrialization and, as he demonstrates in "The Good Society", the division of labor. If you're not commenting on that element of his thought, then you've missed his point. The division of labor, acc. to Lippmann, eliminated the self-sufficing, rugged individualist, making each intertwined into a global capitalist order.
Our framers, as you suggest could not understand such globalism. They were geniuses and they understood how factions could tear a society apart, but they were wrong about some mutual interest ultimately overwhelming those whose goal was merely power. Division of labor atomized society too extremely for a Madisonian framework. Those who wished power preyed on the interests of minority factions to gain control; and the leaders of those minority factions found they could benefit sufficiently to play along.
It took 200 years, but they have destroyed the Constitutional framework and taken control.
BTW John Dewey is culprit in the crime.
Was Dewey a Fabian or....?
Grateful that you have been putting out episodes. I needed my philosophy fix and I was having to go down the street and I’ll tell ya they are selling that straight boo boo. Thanks for wanting to teach more than you did yesterday. I always enjoy the show!
I would love to hear something about Richard Rorty
Really well written and read!
Thank you for this great video!
thanks for this, love the channel
Gratitude 🙏
The Dewey "take" on democracy seems highly conceptual, idealistic (therefore unrealistic), and to rest on a view of the "engaged citizen" that is simply not brought to fruition in the lives of most. Our culture, as an envelopiing and shaping "surround," makes it extremely hard for any citizen to be adequately focused on the "uncommitted" or "neutral" learning that is necessary to achieve full and dispassionate knowledge--of history, of current events, of one's own psychologic capacity and shortcomings. In this respect, Lippmann seems to be, in the concept of the "pseudo-environment," to be very, very much closer to correctly understanding the almost insurmountable challenges of achieving dispassionate knowledge. There's some disparagement in here of the Platonic take on forms of governance--but if you accept the fundamental unlikelihood of achieving real understanding, he was accurately reflecting the real difficulties--even in the 4th century BCE--of a citizen's being able to attain adequate clarity of information and interpretation to properly take part in democratic processes. And Plato sketched out what it would take, in his extended boot-camp for candidates! Just becoming a guard-dog was difficult enough, and to reach "philosopher" (in a world where sophistry constantly beckoned and subverted) was nearly impossible. That's how high the bar really is, and I think Lippmann was much more realistic about the prospects of success--and the dire consequences of failure for democratic governance--than was the (ironically UNpragmatic) Dewey...
good episode thanks
Dig IT!
Ok it has been so many episodes in such a short period. I am so happy. Thank you so much!
Interesting piece - thanks. (I was getting a bit Deleuzed-out before ) |-)
Phenomenal
Where can I find your t-shirts?
Do Ranciére!
He thinks Plato hated democracy
second! I think Ranciere would be cool
Jeez. This whole nature/nurture, individual/collective, slow change/fast change stuff is like the basis for the right and left -isms.
Only really in the modern, americanised context.
Most of the things that we consider to be characteristic of what "the right" rhetorically champions in this American age is very different to what the right originally championed when the terms left and right came into usage, and even up until the second world war, and there is a very legitimate argument to be made for the left having its own radical individualism.
@@corneliuscapitalinus845 History is a beautiful thing. Never ceases to amaze me. But how did you learn that?
This cat sounds like
a young Joe Rogan
That slippery-slope of emotional responses to dissociated data of random wierd shit? That cacophany JUST MIGHT be the hyperrationally correct response/(solution?) to the problem!--ever check out the craziness of massively iterated simple rules?
How is democracy possible in class society? Lippmann given the ideology the capitalist class needs to justify its lip service to democracy. When democracy challenges the dominance of capital over society, history shows liberalism prefers fascism to socialist revolution.
FYI:
“‘Pure democracy’ is the mendacious phrase of a liberal who wants to fool the workers. History knows of bourgeois democracy which takes the place of feudalism, and of proletarian democracy which takes the place of bourgeois democracy.
“When Kautsky devotes dozens of pages to ‘proving’ the truth that bourgeois democracy is progressive compared with medievalism, and that the proletariat must unfailingly utilize it in its struggle against the bourgeoisie, that in fact is just liberal twaddle intended to fool the workers....
“Bourgeois democracy, although a great historical advance in comparison with medievalism, always remains, and under capitalism is bound to remain, restricted, truncated, false and hypocritical, a paradise for the rich and a snare and deception for the exploited and the poor” (V.I. Lenin, Collected Works, vol. 28 [Moscow: Progress Publishers, 1965], pp. 242-43).
Quoted in WSWS:
David North
Perestroika versus Socialism: Stalinism and the Restoration of Capitalism in the USSR
The Myth of “Pure” Democracy
Deweys views of society are soooo cheesy and boring
Magically recurring autoplay feature erodes your philosophocal credibility for me, what was that commercial i saw...?
His bread and butter, that he might continue to give us this stuff for free?
Or should (poltical-)Philosophy be the leisurely chit chat of those for whom such things are no concern whatsoever?
I agree its a bit of an annoyance, but give off, the guy hasn't trespassed against you because of an ad
Just turn it off. auto play has nothing to do with the content providef.
Society is an "organism"? How absurd. Utopian claptrap. This episode was vague blah blah blah WEAKNESS.
That's not utopian lol
@@corneliuscapitalinus845 "organisms" survive and reproduce.... one by one. Societies DON'T. Duh. Evolution is natural selection of traits that enhance individual survival and reproduction. Double Duh!
You can say it's wrong based on that assessment, but that doesn't make it utopian, "DUHH".
Maybe, just maybe, you're not as bright as your undeservedly arrogant manner suggests that you think you are.
"Duhhh".
:)))