Both Goblin Town and Moria (Khazad-dum) are in the Misty Mountains range, but Goblin Town is next to the High Pass near Rivendell. Moria is farther south. Erebor was built within the Lonely Mountain past the other side of Mirkwood Forest. Dain's colony is in the Iron Hills, even farther east. The Blue Mountains are west of the Shire, near the Sea. This is where Thorin and his followers have been living at the start of the Quest of Erebor. There are four dwarven clans that originated in the East, beyond the map we're used to seeing, but they don't enter into the story except for taking part in the War of the Dwarves and Orcs that was sparked off by the death of Thorin's grandfather.
The old white-haired dwarf is Balin son of Fundin, whose grave Gimli and the Fellowship came across in the first LOTR film. The corpse of the dwarf they found was the one with a slightly child-like voice, Ori. Oin is also killed in Moria but outside by the tentacled creature that attacked Frodo. Gimli's father Gloin is one of the red-headed dwarves in this company - the one who took offence at what Elrond said in Elvish before it was explained that he was offering food. Mithrandir is the names the Elves give to Gandalf, it means "the Grey Pilgrim".
Yeah two of the Dwarves in this movie are corpses in Moria. Balin is the Lord of Maria and its his tomb. The Book Gandalf is reading from that talks about the orcs overrunning the Dwarves was written by the young nerdy looking Dwarf in this film (Ori) , and it's his skeleton that is holding the book. So RIP.
The line "In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit." is the first line of the book The Hobbit and the first line of Middle Earth's story Tolkien ever wrote. The story of how it happened (according to Tolkien himself) was that he was going through school certificate papers as part of his job as a professor at Oxford when he came across a blank page and with a sudden inspiration he wrote that single sentence.
In the books the eagles explain that they can't take the dwarves all the way to Erebor because the humans still living in the area would shoot them down, believing they would be there to steal their food. The Eagles also mention that those humans would be right.
Same. It warms my heart seeing people’s reactions to a world that blew my mind and I’ve loved for 32 years (I was 13 when the first read The Hobbit☺️), to watch movies and tv series be inspired by such a brilliant mind as Tolkien’s is absolutely amazing♥️
@@Kitaa13968 I dont really see people not falling in love with it. Its really amazing how much effect these characters and the story have on random people with no background in fantasy books or stories. Tolkien was really something else, I wish I knew him in his time. I would've loved to spend some time with that man and listen to him just talking and ask a few questions to see how his mind worked.
Yes! This is a story about Dwarves, Bilbo, Gandalf, and a real dragon! These are Gimli's cousins, btw. The redhead dwarf Gloin is actually his father. Some of them try to retake Moria again between the Hobbit and LotR. The book was written for children, so the story is more light while LotR is darker. The movies try to stike a balance and it mostly works. I think they're enjoyable. About Radagast the Brown - he's at the very beginning of the LotR books, but at the Council of Elrond they say that they went to his house to get him involved and he was gone. No one knows whether Saruman killed him or he saw trouble coming and went into hiding (I really hope he escaped). It's said he's not the brightest but his heart is too pure to be turned to evil, so there's no way he would join the other side, at least. I'm glad you're doing these! Your reactions are so funny. Your aside about the dwarf's haircut - but we'll get back to that. Lol 😂
about the eagles: In fact, they are not just big taxi birds that come at the right time. In general, they are Maiar, such as Gandalf, they just have a different appearance. They simply cannot agree to work as a taxi, In general they are not interested in what is happening in Middle Earth. But once upon a time, Gandalf helped the leader of the eagles, Gwaihir, escape from death (if I remember correctly he healed the damaged wing), and that is the only reason why Gwaihir sometimes agrees to help Gandalf in very difficult situations.
I was just reading the hobbit. Said sth about Gandalf healing an arrow wound for the Eagal King. Didn't say the name of him but presumably was Gwaihir? Simialr to Thranduil who didn't have a name back then.
If I recall; the Eagles were only Maiar in a first draft version; Tolkien ultimately "settled" on their creation being credited to Manwe, not Eru. They're animals, but they are divinely touched. Which I think is also the better version because it helps contextualize that they're following mostly their own purposes and only get involved for someone like Gandalf. It also creates a nice parallel to Morgoth creating the Dragons: Erus favourite Son and Erus failing Son both dabbling in flying animal servants and as always Morgoth has to be Metal.
Yeah, every race had their own name for him. The dwarves often called him Tharkun, which meant "grey man" or "staff man" in dwarvish. The men of the south near Harad called him "Incanus". HIs actual name back in Valinor was Olorin, which means "dream"
The Goblin Town isn't in Moria, it's north of Moria some many miles. Balin is Gimli's Cousin that tries to recolonize Moria. The dwarf with the white beard, and Gloin is Gimli's father, the dwarf with the read beard that looks a bit like Gimli.
The dwarves actually hadn’t taken back Moria yet at this point. It had been lost for a long time because it was overrun by orcs and the balrog which was actually found already in the mountain when the dwarves dug too deep. That’s what they were trying to take back in the flashback scene when Azog beheaded the dwarf king.
Ah man, Balin, the old dwarf with the white beard was the one in the tomb in LOTR when Pippin dropped the skeleton in Moria. And Ori is the skeleton holding the book that Gandalf reads next to the tomb
The enmity between Dwarves and Elves goes way back. Thousands of years before this time, the Dwarves had made a necklace called 'the Nauglamir', a priceless piece of work owned by an Elven King. Much later another Elven Lord got the Dwarven craftsmen to incorporate one of the Simarils (historic jewels) into it for an enormous price. But the Dwarves who had worked on it wanted to keep it as an heirloom of their people and after a heated exchange the Elf sent them packing without pay. They rounded up their boys and came back, ransacking the Elf's treasury and killing him. They were overtaken and killed on their way home. The two races have blamed each other ever since, and both still claim the necklace, though in truth the necklace has been gone from Middle Earth for thousands of years. "The Silmaril" is a difficult book and must be read more than once, but your investment in Tolkien's stories seems deep enough that you should probably read it. It brings to life so many things that are alluded to in "The Lord of the Rings", like the story of Beren and Luthien that Aragorn is singing in the Midgewater Marshes when he tells Frodo that the woman he sings of was an elf maiden who gave her love to a mortal man and says, "she died".
@@oq1106 This production company only bought the rights to Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit. That's why Amazon got to botch up the back story so badly. Peter Jackson, etc. can't make movies of anything from the Silmarillion or any of the other books. Damn shame. Well, I think right now that it is. Have to wait and see since Peter got a little off the rails with the CGI as time passed in shooting this one. I hope he holds at least as close to Tolkien's intent as well in the new one as in LOTR. After the Hobbit, I'm just not sure.
Mithrandir is what the elves call Gandalf. In the North (where the hobbits also live) he's known as Gandalf, and that's why that name is used the most both in the book and the movies, because it's the name the hobbits know him by. He has other names too in other parts of the world.
According to the Dwarves, he's known as "Tharkun" with that little upward marking above the "U". The word roughly translates to "Staff man", however Gandalf is his most common name, and the Dwarves NEVER speak their own language except as battle cries in war because their language is their most PRIZED possession that they all keep to themselves as a race. In, I believe, the SIlmarillion there's an Elf who's trusted enough to be taught the language, but never spoke it to their fellow Elves. The Dwarven language was also not something that Men would ever hear either - not even really as battle cries because Men and Dwarves never really fought that often. (The Dwarves of Erebor and the Men of Dale banded together during the War For Middle-earth and fought back against the legion of Orcs that wanted to take the Lonely Mountain while Sauron was attacking Gondor, Rohan, and other places as well, and I believe Erebor and Dale won the battle.)
Radagst is a good wizard, but kinda like Saruman he lost sight of his task. He became more fond of the creatures of the world over the humans and fell into solitude. He didn't turn evil, but he kinda stopped helping after a while
Radagast is a servant of Yavanna, that he would lose himself to nature was predictable, equally that Saruman, a student and servant of Aule would fall to industry in a similar fashion as his former colleague Sauron had. Gandalf wasn't just a servant of Manwe but was also considered Niennas (The 'Godess' of Grief) greatest student - he has an understanding of suffering, kindness and forgiveness that his fellow Istari simply do not. I think knowing his "academic" background really helps understand both why Gandalf stayed on mission when the others didn't and the contextualize his personality and choices.
Gandalf was sent back in the early 3rd age to kindle the hearts of men into action against evil. He is one of the istari. (one of the 5 wizards sent back to middle earth to help the people rise up against Sauron and the darkness.)
Both of the Sherlock actors are in these movies, Smaug is voiced by Benedict Cumberbatch he also did the motion capture for Smaug at the same time slithering around the floor wearing the mo-cap suit. Benedict also voices The Necromancer speaking The Black Speech backwards which was then played forward to sound even more corrupted. Azog actually died during the battle of Moria, and King Thrain looked in the gate and saw Durin's Bane (the balrog) inside and the dwarves didn't enter. Balin and Ori tried to retake Moria after these events and died in the attempt along with all the dwarves they took with him. Which we see in Fellowship.
Yeah, the soundtrack really gets to me. And we haven't even reached the third movies credits song. Billy Boyd just kills it. that being said, the one thing I can't get over is that in this movie, they use the Nazgul theme for Thorins epic ground standing against Azog, and I have no other explanation for that choice other than that they forgot to commission/ didn't have the time to record something new. The Nazgul theme has absolutely nothing to do with either of those characters or their arcs in that moment. It's cool, but I don't see a better argument for using it in that scene other than "we had nothing else".
@@soulassasinsv It would definitely be my "one question for Peter Jackson" if I got the chance; because if I'm wrong there was a deliberate artistic choice here that went over my head ;)
I read the Hobbit for the first time when I was nine. I was in my twenties when the Hobbit movies started being released to theaters. The introducton of erebor at the beginning had me crying, it was so powerful.
Olórin was Gandalf's name before he was sent to Middle Earth. But in Middle Earth he is known by many names... the Elves call him Mithrandir, the Grey Pilgrim.
The orcs appear bigger because it is from the perspective of Dwarfs, while the LOTR was from the perspective of unusually tall and power men like Boromir and Aragorn, with Gimli the only reduced sized individual in most of the action scenes and Gimli was unit of a dwarf, taller and bigger than most of his kind. Aside from Azog and his son, the Orcs are the same size as in the Lord of the Rings.
"We're going back--" "There and back again?" and yes, I was in the theater crying. i remember seeing the Fellowship in theater and cried during the Hobbit because "We're home" oh! also, they are making a CozyGame based in the Shire: Tales of the Shire it's called. enjoy :)
Omg i can’t wait for your reaction to this series!!! I know there’s a lot of discourse around them but the hobbit series stands on its own and it’s great!
I love your joy at the familiarity of these movies, that you noticed the callbacks to the LOTR, and that you also noticed that the eagles could have made things so much easier.
Rivendell looks even more beautiful in these movies, fresher and greener. The Rivendell of L.O.T.R is aging and everything has that autumnal golden hue. Stunning set design
Its not Lord of the rings but exactly as you stay - its still going back home. I think after the movies, series you will jump hard into all the books and lore and channels that explain it
Found you literally just because of these movie reactions, but LoTR is my favorite series ever. It's so great to see someone experience it all for the first time, and it's been a joy hanging with you through these.
To answer your first question, yes it was Peter Jackson. However he was not the first director.... Peter was called in very late in production, to try and save it, as it was a mess. He then spent most of the filming in hospital. So, you can kind of say he had a 20% Direction to this series.
@@MrProthall I would beg to differ because there were multiple elven lords that killed a balrog (plus GD of course) single-handedly. But all the dragons that died (except maybe Ancalagon the Black which was killed by the mighty Earendil) had to first be wounded in a first battle and then could only be killed in a different battle and only if they were pierced in the exact same spot. So most of the time it takes more than one mighty character to kill a dragon.
Radagast the Brown, Legolas' home, Lonely Mtn. are all in a different forest/part of the world than what the LotR movie focused on which were further to the south.
I’m so glad you included it, my absolute favorite lines are Gollum’s “If the Baggins loses, we eats it whole” with the matter-of-fact head tilt, and Bilbo’s long pause, and quick “Fair enough.” Absolute Gold 🤣
Awesome reaction - so heartwarming. I agree, Martin Freeman did a fantastic job playing Bilbo Baggins. It's interesting that you mentioned 'Sherlock'. I shall say no more... 🤭 -x-
But it also says so much about how vastly different Bilbo and Frodo really were as people. Bilbo chose to go on an adventure, and it lead him to the Ring, seemingly by chance(it was probably meant to be, but you get my point). He sought adventure, he got it and that's how he always remembered it. Frodo didn't have a choice. He never sought adventure, but it was brought upon him anyway. And his experience was very different, and would have been, evan without the influence of the Ring, because, like he said himself, he wasn't like Bilbo.
@@morcellemorcelle618 okay a compare and contrast character analysis of them is really not necessary. I thought his reaction to what was happening on screen was funny, that’s all my comment is for, it’s not that deep. I love Tolkien lore so I can appreciate the points you’re making in and of themselves. I’m just saying it’s irrelevant to my comment.
It' just a bit unfair, because Bilbo had a children's book adventure and Frodo an adult's book adventure. As Frodo himself said" My own adventure turned out to be quite different."
Something else the Movies glossed over that's an important peice of context for why Galadriel is in Rivendell. Elrond is Galadriel's son-in-law. He married Galadriel's daughter, Celebrian (also don't meet her, she passed into the west over 500 years before Fellowship). Arwen and Elrond's sons - twin sons, Elorhir and Ellidan are Galadriel's grand children. So not only is she in Rivendell on business, or in time for a council meeting, but she's also visiting family. The distances involved between Rivendell and Lothlorien, straight line are 500 km distant, with all the paths and crossing the mountains, it's probably more like a 6-700 km journey. In the setting it is like vacationing or wintering in another country or state. You don't just drop everything and make that sort of trip on a whim.
As an OG Hobbit/LOTR fan, all the way from the Rankin/Bass animations that were some of the main adaptations around in my childhood, it's such fun to see newer fans reacting well to these movies.
A few lore facts that might interest you as well as help you following these movies: Gloin is Gimli's father (Gimli, son of Gloin) and Balin is Gimli's cousin and the one whose grave the Fellowship found in Moria before the big Troll fight. The trolls that caught them were indeed the ones that Bilbo was telling the young hobbits at the party about. And the spot were injured Frodo was resting after the Nazgul stabbed him as Sam acknowledges (Look Frodo, it's mr Bilbo's trolls!) Gandalf was indeed cooking these up, but that was his purpose. The Istari (the wizards) were send by the Valar (gods) in order to help people fight evil, but without ruling over them. Gandalf was the one who better performed this task and became the catalyst to eventual victory. At the time of these events, Saruman wasn't yet fully aware or corrupted by Sauron, but he was already researching the One Ring and eyeing it for his own benefit. While Bilbo had the One Ring, it wasn't "fully activated" yet and thus less powerful, for a few reasons. Sauron wasn't as powerful yet and he didn't know it was found so he wasn't focused on it. That's why Bilbo never felt the eye of Sauron watching him while wearing it and why it didn't affect him as much as it did Frodo, even if he had it 60x longer. The Great Eagles used to be the messengers of the Valar and were very proud and independent. They didn't have very good relations with most people because they had either been betrayed or hunted by them as time passed. So they were certainly not anyone's servant, even though they were friends with Gandalf and would occasionally help him if he was in dire need and asked for it. So, kinda like the Ents, they would only help as much as they chose to
Gundabad Orcs are meant to be a bit bigger and hardier than regular Orc breeds which is why they look a bit different, but Azog and Bolg are much bigger than their Gundabad counterparts also.
They are much farther northward in the Misty Mountains than Moria. Yes, Gimli is from Erebor. His father ,Gloin, is in the company of Thorin. It was about thirty years after this time that Balin, also in the company, tried to retake Moria. The Dwarves of Erebor had no clue as to his company's success or (as it turned out) failure. Nearly fifty years later Gimli sees the answer. It was nearly fifty years because there were 17 years between Bilbo leaving the Shire and Frodo leaving it. Pretty much all of the Dwarves are related in some degree to one another, but even if there are no blood ties, all those we encounter consider themselves the people of Durin, (father of the Dwarves as Washington is considered the father of our country in the U.S.). There were other founders, but Durin was the prime progenitor of the race and the original founder of Moria which the Dwarves call Khazad Dum.
During this time, when Bilbo wears the ring, Sauron's eye doesn't appear because Sauron wasn't actively looking for the ring. That only started to appear when Gollum was tortured and revealed that it was "Shire, Baggins" and the Nazgul were dispatched - and that's when Frodo sees the eye when he wears the ring starting from when he was in Bree. So in the movies, the last time without seeing the eye when wearing the ring was when Bilbo wore it to disappear in his birthday.
They hadn't gone to Moria yet. Gimli is still a toddler or something by this point, and one of the party, the youngest one with the slingshot who's always by the older man, is called Ori. He's the one who writes the book Gandalf reads from about the drums from the deep. I know you've likely read this already in another comment, I just found it so sad that little Ori went on to die in the Moria tomb with Oin and Balin. Balin is the older one, who talks to Thorin about being toymakers and comes out as one of the more compassionate older dwarves, and Oin is the one with the hearing trumpet. (It took me awhile to properly understand who was who tbh, so I'm laying it out for people like me who struggle to remember all these faces and names.) It was Balin who - after the Hobbit movies - led the group to try to retake Moria from orcs and the Balrog. Edit: Also just because it gets brought up a lot, you asked the same question a lot do about the eagles taking them all the way to Mordor or all the way to Erebor. The eagles have their own culture and politics, they're intelligent and sentient. (I think they even talk) but basically, they only come to Gandalf's aid because he's a wizard. In lotr, they can't because of the Nazgul's, they'd be torn to bits. And they each have their OWN reasons for helping. So the one on the tower, the one who came to pick up Gandalf when Saruman had trapped him, he owed Gandalf a favour and only agreed to take him so far. He helped him two more times, but these favours aren't just given for no reason. After picking up Sam and Frodo from the lava rock, he basically went "No more favours. This is the end of it." And even then, not taking them all the way to mount doom is because the fellowship was supposed to have a SECRET mission to destroy the ring. Never mind the fact the eagles, like the men, dwarves, elves and ents - unless given a big reason to join, they won't. They aren't just mindless animals that get summoned by a powerful mage. They have their own politics and concerns to worry about. And as for the eagles in the Hobbit movie; this would be Gandalf's first favour asked, but he's asking a lot of them and he knows it. Gandalf is known to be quite the networker, he knows people from all over. This is just him cashing in on that. But the favour could only stretch so far realistically because he was asking... a lot. One, to save them from orcs and wargs is a big risk to the eagles the responding one brings. But two, they can't take them to the Misty Mountain's where a dragon sleeps. It's a known thing that all the birds have left the area around the mountains, which is why the little saying about the birds returning to the misty mountain is important to note. They WILL not risk the ire of an angry Smaug, it'd destroy them as a people like it did the Dwarves. So they take them close enough.
Ring Wraiths are the Nazgul, the black riders. The "Dragons" they ride are only called "fell beasts" and they are describe more like evil, naked birds in the books, like the evil version of the eagles or something, or almost like pterodactyls
KP I love your reactions to this series and seeing you fall in love with the whole of the lore is always a fun watch. As a quick tidbits, Mithrandir as Galadriel calls Gandalf is his moniker in Elvish meaning 'Grey Pilgram', Aside from Erebor and Khazad-Dum (Moria) the Dwarfs had kingdoms in the Blue Mountains: Nogrod and Belegost, some of our Dwarf companions in these films are from the Blue mountains. The survivors of Khazad-Dum set up a small kingdom in the Grey Mountains and there were also Dwarves living in the Iron hills.
3:48 This is probably a reference to another story (which they don’t have the rights to, because it’s in “the Silmarillion”) - one of the main grievances between Elves & dwarves: the dwarves made a priceless set of glittering white necklaces, the “Nauglamír”, commissioned by Elrond’s great-great-grandfather Thingol (the father of Luthien!) - and were supposed to set a Silmaril into it. Then Thingol proceeded refused to pay them their share or they wanted to claimed the Silmaril as it was now set in “their” necklace - and in the end Thingol was slain in his own kingdom, and the dwarves were slaughtered. I definitely misrepresented some parts & there are many facets to the story so in case you’re interested maybe check out the Wikipedia article on Thingol or even a video from the Silmarillion lore master himself knewbettadobetta :)
It's wasn't 20 years between the two trilogies, only 10 yrs but that is quite long itself. Be sure to check out all the behind the scenes featurettes which shows what goes into making these films (locations, sets, weapons, & costumes), cast & crew interviews, deleted scenes, etc. Peter Jackson came in to do this series when the originally hired dircetor (Guillermo del Toro) left due to differing views on how the movies should be. I found this article exerpt: "Guillermo del Toro had his own vision for the film, which differed from Jackson's trilogy while still paying homage to its legacy. Del Toro was not a big fan of the books by J.R.R. Tolkien, but immensely enjoyed Jackson's work, so he planned on honoring it. Time wound on, and del Toro stepped away from the film."
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It’s funny that we saw Elijah again in this because he was finally the actual age Frodo was at the start of the Fellowship. He was 33 when it started and about 50 when they actually started their journey.
Christopher Lee accepted playing Saruman a second time on one condition - that he wouldn't need to fly from UK to New Zealand to do the filming. And Peter Jackson said, "Sure", and set up shop IN CHRISTOPHER LEE'S HOUSE, and every scene with him is filmed near his home with greenscreens so the "sets" could be digitally placed in later.
the keys WERE handed to someone else. Then they had to bail and given back to Jackson with LOTS LOTS less prep time. Thats why the dip in quality to LOTR.
Funny you asked about Gimli's cousins, he is with the company. in fact, his father is with them too, along with the dwarf skeleton that was holding the book in Moria.
Since no one else (I think) has said anything about the jewels at the beginning being offered to Thranduil, I'll explain lol. The White Gems of Lasgelan was a commissioned piece by Thranduil for his wife, the Queen of Mirkwood. Sadly, she fell in battle in Gundabad, a place you'll see in the other two films. When Thranduil came to take the jewels from the dwarves, the ones who made the piece, they had a disagreement over payment of it and the elven king was denied the White Gems. This is mostly due to Thror's greediness, his ego as the sole Dwarf King and the richest person in Middle Earth. You saw it in the intro, Dragon Sickness. It got to him and it led to the souring of the alliance between the elves of Mirkwood and the dwarves of Erebor. There is a lot more bad blood between the elves and dwarves, but that is explored far, far more in the books. I'd say you go ahead and read them since you want the dwarf lore so much haha. Anyways, great reaction and enjoy the rest of the trilogy!
Bilbo is able to wear the ring at this point because Sauron is still weakened. Yes he wants his ring back, but he cannot sense it... yet. Remember this is 60 years before Bilbo passes the ring to Frodo. Most of Sauron's strength is confined to his immediate geographic area (sannot tell you where, spolier!) , where is building his first army in secret. He has subverted Azog, a Gundabd orc into his service. Gundabad is an Orc Stronghold far to the north of the Goblin city, where Azog is a Cheftain. The orcs and goblins in Moria have not yet left, as the dwarves who went there, think. (this expedition was in the years between end Smaug and the start of the Fellowship. The Goblin town here is just east of rivendell in a pass of the Misty mountains, far to the north of Moria. (The Fellowship travelled south from Rivendell for almost a month before reaching Moria. BTW, that Dwarf with the thick red beard is Gloin... as in "Gimli, son of Gloin...)
Many of my favorite parts in The Hobbit movies are the scenes between Galadriel and Gandalf, it's some of the best work in movies in my opinion. Galadriel disappearing after her chat with Gandalf gives me chills every time. Just wait until you see the power of the white council later in the series :D Great video as always!!
Nice catch on the fact that Thranduil "just happened" to be there when the dragon attacked. Mirkwood was actually at least a couple days ride for Erebor, even for Elves. Thranduil was already on his way there to get the white gems back. Smaug just happened to beat him there. :P
Bilbo and the dwarves took a path further north than Frodo 's company across the mountains. Bilbo's destination takes them to Erebor wbich is much further to tbe North on tbe other side of the Misty mountains. Also there are geographical descrepencies in the Hobbit movies regarding Rhadagast's movement back and forth across that incredibly treacherous mountain range (he does not appear in tbe book except as a brief appearance in the Fellowship at Bree) and the High Fells of Rhudar would mean Gandalf and Rhadagast Travelling back West again and very far to the North, (months and months of difficult terrain) There is some confusion regarding the rivers, the Anduin was the river the fellowship took southward in the Elvin boats toward Gondor. In the Hobbit, the river that we encounter later that connects Laketown to the Lonely Mountain is the 'River Running', much further East than the Anduin. Tolkien always took great pains to factor in great distances and the time and toil it takes to travel on foot tbrough such savage territories, he considered this as crucial to the drama of the story, both LOTR and the Hobbit are Road stories, they are about the journey itself and if the journey is removed or compromised at all, it loses its impact.
In the lore the dwarves that had been in Moria ended up getting run out of Moria by goblins but also more so by the balrog and were the ones who set up Erebor. And then after as you saw they tried to recapture Moria but failed (in the books one of the top leaders saw the balrog and kept the army from charging in to what would likely have been their deaths). And then of course years later there was the failed attempt we saw the ruins of in Lord of the Rings. That group was after these movies. Also they did not end up in Moria, Goblin Town is a separate location father north. They went almost directly east leaving Rivendell while the Fellowship went south several days travel first. Also now you see what a real dragon is like (and you barely even saw it) and why the Fell beasts the Nazgul ride are far beneath dragons. The eagles flew the company to the edge of their territory.
I'm happy you're enjoying the series and I can wait for you to experience the rest of the tale. I utterly adore how much dwarf content we get from these movies
28:13 • Mithrandir is his Sindarin (Grey Elvish m) name which means grey pilgrim/wanderer. Gandalf is his Common name. His original name is Olórin which is Quenyan (High Elvish) for dreams/visions of the mind.
The wizard Radagast the brown isn't named in LOTR but he actually helped save Gandalf when Saruman had him imprisoned at the top of his tower. Gandalf sent a message to him using the moth. That is how the eagle was sent to rescue him.
27:47 Yes, Saruman was already searching the Gladden Fields (where Isildur fell & lost the Ring in the river) by this time - he was absolutely playing both sides Also - none of the Ringwraiths were ever buried, that’s their whole point - their bodies shrivelled away over the centuries, until the were nothing but hollow wraiths bound by the power of the 9 Rings
It doesn't explain it in the movies but in the books Frodo's parents die and Bilbo becomes his guardian as a relative (uncle) of Frodo's. That's why he comes to live with Bilbo.
Radagast is not in the book The Hobbit, but he is in LotR briefly. Saruman dissembles his intentions and sends Radagast to find Gandalf. Gandalf goes to Saruman as seen in the movies, but he tells Radagast to send birds to Saruman and Gandalf. That is why Gwaihir shows up. Since they skipped Radagast in the movie, the used the moth motif instead.
I understand the confusion, but Gimli's cousins that tried to retake Moria are actually in this party. Balin, Oin and Ori were the leaders of the party that made the attempt, and it it Balin's tomb they find before they are confronted by the Balrog. Sorry, I have to say...Expecting food that look appetizing in a movie that is essentially about the British, is optimism manifest. :D Speaking of things iconically British, the older among the audience may remember the actor playing Radagast in his role as the Seventh Doctor in Dr Who, playing in the role from 1987-1989. Lastly, as a fellow Sherlock fan, I hope you remembered Smaug was voice by Benedict "Dr Strange" Cumberbatch.
Knowing that the white haired dwarf who everyone respects is ballin, the one who’s tomb it was in the fellowship of the ring when they went to moria, is soooo sad.
You have got it exactly right. Gandalf was sent to Middle Earth to help people to resist Sauron and his forces. BTW, Peter Jackson had to take over the making of the Hobbit movies from another director, so he had to accept some of what was already done. I don't think he captures the charm of the original book, but on the other hand, he was able to get his cast back together and present this as a prequel to the Lord of the Rings in ways I find very satisfying. So good to see Frodo! Elijah Wood stayed young for a ridiculously long time.
something really tells me that you might enjoy LoTR and Hobbit audiobooks - these are voiced by Andy Serkis and he is doing amazing job mimicing Ian McKellen as Gandalf ❤
IMO, these are simply not on the level of LOTR (few things are) and stretching three films from a pretty slim book definitely shows. That being said, it's still nice to be back in Middle Earth. I take the same stance on Rings of Power, it has faults, but you can see the care and craft in some of the creature design and acting.
16:11 He did, a small part at least in the books - he was inadvertently involved in masking Saruman’s betrayal, as well as later on inadvertently helping Gandalf’s escape from the tower of Orthanc 🦅 But mostly he just keeps to himself in the woods, minding his own business, and through that also neglecting his wizarding duty of “stewardship” of the free people of Middle Earth in their fight against Sauron.
28:06 Lady Galadriel called Gandalf by his Sindarin elvish name of Mithrandir, the Grey Pilgrim. In LOTR, Denethor also calls Gandalf by his Sindarin name.
"The elves wouldn't attack them over jewelry and gold, that's like so beneath them isn't it?" Once you get through The Silmarillion, you're gonna look back at that and laugh.
17:00 Other way around probably - Shelob (the giant spider in Cirith Ungol in Mordor) - is the probable foremother of these smaller but more numerous spider colonies - And She herself is “the last child of Ungoliant troubling the unhappy world”
These are Rhosgobel rabbits. I'd like to see them try.
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Radgahst is played by the same actor who played the 7th Doctor Who... A Legend
Goblin town is not Moria, Moria is not misty mountain.
Both Goblin Town and Moria (Khazad-dum) are in the Misty Mountains range, but Goblin Town is next to the High Pass near Rivendell. Moria is farther south. Erebor was built within the Lonely Mountain past the other side of Mirkwood Forest. Dain's colony is in the Iron Hills, even farther east.
The Blue Mountains are west of the Shire, near the Sea. This is where Thorin and his followers have been living at the start of the Quest of Erebor. There are four dwarven clans that originated in the East, beyond the map we're used to seeing, but they don't enter into the story except for taking part in the War of the Dwarves and Orcs that was sparked off by the death of Thorin's grandfather.
“Bitches don’t know about my Rhosgobel rabbits!”
If you like Martin Freeman because of Sherlock, you’re gonna looove the dragon.
I wonder if he will recognize the voice…
My thoughts exactly. They couldn't have cast a more fun Smaug-Bilbo Combo
Watching Frodo appear in our screens 10 years after the release of the Return of the King warmed my heart. It was and still is nostalgic as hell
And he was visually the same aswell, crazy!
I saw this in theaters opening night and no one knew he was in it. The reaction was BEAUTIFUL. Gasps and happy “Elijah!” whispers.
at Rohan I love Frodo but I thought it was the same as usual- looking the same with more make up.😊
The old white-haired dwarf is Balin son of Fundin, whose grave Gimli and the Fellowship came across in the first LOTR film. The corpse of the dwarf they found was the one with a slightly child-like voice, Ori. Oin is also killed in Moria but outside by the tentacled creature that attacked Frodo.
Gimli's father Gloin is one of the red-headed dwarves in this company - the one who took offence at what Elrond said in Elvish before it was explained that he was offering food.
Mithrandir is the names the Elves give to Gandalf, it means "the Grey Pilgrim".
Also Balin, is the one who is dead in Moria. It was his tomb they found.
Yeah Gimli's dead cousin is one of the dwarves we are travelling with.
Yeah two of the Dwarves in this movie are corpses in Moria. Balin is the Lord of Maria and its his tomb. The Book Gandalf is reading from that talks about the orcs overrunning the Dwarves was written by the young nerdy looking Dwarf in this film (Ori) , and it's his skeleton that is holding the book. So RIP.
@@markwood6056 Also Oin, Gimli's uncle, was part of Balin's expedition and was killed by the Watcher in the Water.
@@LodrikBadric Yes his father Gloin but Balin is the cousin that was in the tomb in Moria.
The line "In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit." is the first line of the book The Hobbit and the first line of Middle Earth's story Tolkien ever wrote. The story of how it happened (according to Tolkien himself) was that he was going through school certificate papers as part of his job as a professor at Oxford when he came across a blank page and with a sudden inspiration he wrote that single sentence.
In the books the eagles explain that they can't take the dwarves all the way to Erebor because the humans still living in the area would shoot them down, believing they would be there to steal their food. The Eagles also mention that those humans would be right.
Fish gotta swim, bird's gotta eat. Sorry if I ever took a snap atcha-Nigel, Finding Nemo.
Your love for this series never fails to make me smile.
Same. It warms my heart seeing people’s reactions to a world that blew my mind and I’ve loved for 32 years (I was 13 when the first read The Hobbit☺️), to watch movies and tv series be inspired by such a brilliant mind as Tolkien’s is absolutely amazing♥️
@@Kitaa13968agreed, but not the latest TV series, I found unwatchable.
@@Kitaa13968 I dont really see people not falling in love with it. Its really amazing how much effect these characters and the story have on random people with no background in fantasy books or stories. Tolkien was really something else, I wish I knew him in his time. I would've loved to spend some time with that man and listen to him just talking and ask a few questions to see how his mind worked.
Came to the comments to say basically the exact same thing ❤️❤️❤️
“True courage is about not knowing when to take a life, but when to spare one.”
Gandalf dropping the best wisdom on us bro😭
And it hits evan harder when you remember that Tolkien wrote this book around 20 years after having served in ww1.
Yes! This is a story about Dwarves, Bilbo, Gandalf, and a real dragon!
These are Gimli's cousins, btw. The redhead dwarf Gloin is actually his father. Some of them try to retake Moria again between the Hobbit and LotR.
The book was written for children, so the story is more light while LotR is darker. The movies try to stike a balance and it mostly works. I think they're enjoyable.
About Radagast the Brown - he's at the very beginning of the LotR books, but at the Council of Elrond they say that they went to his house to get him involved and he was gone. No one knows whether Saruman killed him or he saw trouble coming and went into hiding (I really hope he escaped). It's said he's not the brightest but his heart is too pure to be turned to evil, so there's no way he would join the other side, at least.
I'm glad you're doing these! Your reactions are so funny. Your aside about the dwarf's haircut - but we'll get back to that. Lol 😂
about the eagles: In fact, they are not just big taxi birds that come at the right time. In general, they are Maiar, such as Gandalf, they just have a different appearance. They simply cannot agree to work as a taxi, In general they are not interested in what is happening in Middle Earth. But once upon a time, Gandalf helped the leader of the eagles, Gwaihir, escape from death (if I remember correctly he healed the damaged wing), and that is the only reason why Gwaihir sometimes agrees to help Gandalf in very difficult situations.
I was just reading the hobbit. Said sth about Gandalf healing an arrow wound for the Eagal King. Didn't say the name of him but presumably was Gwaihir? Simialr to Thranduil who didn't have a name back then.
If I recall; the Eagles were only Maiar in a first draft version; Tolkien ultimately "settled" on their creation being credited to Manwe, not Eru. They're animals, but they are divinely touched. Which I think is also the better version because it helps contextualize that they're following mostly their own purposes and only get involved for someone like Gandalf. It also creates a nice parallel to Morgoth creating the Dragons: Erus favourite Son and Erus failing Son both dabbling in flying animal servants and as always Morgoth has to be Metal.
Mithrandir means "Grey Pilgrim" in elvish. It's their name for him. "Mith" means grey, and mithril means "grey glitter"
"Randir" means wanderer
Yeah, every race had their own name for him. The dwarves often called him Tharkun, which meant "grey man" or "staff man" in dwarvish. The men of the south near Harad called him "Incanus". HIs actual name back in Valinor was Olorin, which means "dream"
Your face when the music started at the beginning is my face every single time 💚
The Goblin Town isn't in Moria, it's north of Moria some many miles. Balin is Gimli's Cousin that tries to recolonize Moria. The dwarf with the white beard, and Gloin is Gimli's father, the dwarf with the read beard that looks a bit like Gimli.
Also Oin (Gimli's oncle / Gloin's brother) is part of the company.
The dwarves actually hadn’t taken back Moria yet at this point. It had been lost for a long time because it was overrun by orcs and the balrog which was actually found already in the mountain when the dwarves dug too deep. That’s what they were trying to take back in the flashback scene when Azog beheaded the dwarf king.
immediately clocked the drawing of martin freeman. love it 🤣
Ah man, Balin, the old dwarf with the white beard was the one in the tomb in LOTR when Pippin dropped the skeleton in Moria.
And Ori is the skeleton holding the book that Gandalf reads next to the tomb
Glad you started other/next journey, we are with you and always pleasure to see it another and another time! Have a good time and thank you :)
The enmity between Dwarves and Elves goes way back. Thousands of years before this time, the Dwarves had made a necklace called 'the Nauglamir', a priceless piece of work owned by an Elven King. Much later another Elven Lord got the Dwarven craftsmen to incorporate one of the Simarils (historic jewels) into it for an enormous price. But the Dwarves who had worked on it wanted to keep it as an heirloom of their people and after a heated exchange the Elf sent them packing without pay. They rounded up their boys and came back, ransacking the Elf's treasury and killing him. They were overtaken and killed on their way home. The two races have blamed each other ever since, and both still claim the necklace, though in truth the necklace has been gone from Middle Earth for thousands of years.
"The Silmaril" is a difficult book and must be read more than once, but your investment in Tolkien's stories seems deep enough that you should probably read it. It brings to life so many things that are alluded to in "The Lord of the Rings", like the story of Beren and Luthien that Aragorn is singing in the Midgewater Marshes when he tells Frodo that the woman he sings of was an elf maiden who gave her love to a mortal man and says, "she died".
That we'll get a 'Aragorns Search for Gollum' movie before we get the epic fairy tale of beren and luthien, is hard for me to accept.
@@oq1106 This production company only bought the rights to Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit. That's why Amazon got to botch up the back story so badly. Peter Jackson, etc. can't make movies of anything from the Silmarillion or any of the other books. Damn shame. Well, I think right now that it is. Have to wait and see since Peter got a little off the rails with the CGI as time passed in shooting this one. I hope he holds at least as close to Tolkien's intent as well in the new one as in LOTR. After the Hobbit, I'm just not sure.
Yo your face lit up when you realized it was the dwarves 🤣🤣🤣
His eyes almost fell out his head LOL his joy is delightful!
haha i came to the comments just cuz of that it was great
Mithrandir is what the elves call Gandalf. In the North (where the hobbits also live) he's known as Gandalf, and that's why that name is used the most both in the book and the movies, because it's the name the hobbits know him by. He has other names too in other parts of the world.
According to the Dwarves, he's known as "Tharkun" with that little upward marking above the "U". The word roughly translates to "Staff man", however Gandalf is his most common name, and the Dwarves NEVER speak their own language except as battle cries in war because their language is their most PRIZED possession that they all keep to themselves as a race. In, I believe, the SIlmarillion there's an Elf who's trusted enough to be taught the language, but never spoke it to their fellow Elves. The Dwarven language was also not something that Men would ever hear either - not even really as battle cries because Men and Dwarves never really fought that often. (The Dwarves of Erebor and the Men of Dale banded together during the War For Middle-earth and fought back against the legion of Orcs that wanted to take the Lonely Mountain while Sauron was attacking Gondor, Rohan, and other places as well, and I believe Erebor and Dale won the battle.)
Mithrandir just means Grey Pilgrim in Sindarin - Mith = Grey and Randir = Pilgrim/Wanderer
Bilbo tells the story of the trolls to the kids at the birthday party, and then later the hobbits pass this area and the stone trolls are still there
Stone does that...
Loooooool @@zybch
"kinda looked like martin freeman" it's almost like they modeled that sketch off him xD
Radagst is a good wizard, but kinda like Saruman he lost sight of his task. He became more fond of the creatures of the world over the humans and fell into solitude. He didn't turn evil, but he kinda stopped helping after a while
Radagast is a servant of Yavanna, that he would lose himself to nature was predictable, equally that Saruman, a student and servant of Aule would fall to industry in a similar fashion as his former colleague Sauron had. Gandalf wasn't just a servant of Manwe but was also considered Niennas (The 'Godess' of Grief) greatest student - he has an understanding of suffering, kindness and forgiveness that his fellow Istari simply do not. I think knowing his "academic" background really helps understand both why Gandalf stayed on mission when the others didn't and the contextualize his personality and choices.
Gandalf was sent back in the early 3rd age to kindle the hearts of men into action against evil. He is one of the istari. (one of the 5 wizards sent back to middle earth to help the people rise up against Sauron and the darkness.)
Both of the Sherlock actors are in these movies, Smaug is voiced by Benedict Cumberbatch he also did the motion capture for Smaug at the same time slithering around the floor wearing the mo-cap suit. Benedict also voices The Necromancer speaking The Black Speech backwards which was then played forward to sound even more corrupted.
Azog actually died during the battle of Moria, and King Thrain looked in the gate and saw Durin's Bane (the balrog) inside and the dwarves didn't enter. Balin and Ori tried to retake Moria after these events and died in the attempt along with all the dwarves they took with him. Which we see in Fellowship.
You want Drwarves : you have to many of Drwarves xD
The music MAKES ME CRY.... EVERY TIME... EVERY TIIIMEEEEE
Yeah, the soundtrack really gets to me. And we haven't even reached the third movies credits song. Billy Boyd just kills it.
that being said, the one thing I can't get over is that in this movie, they use the Nazgul theme for Thorins epic ground standing against Azog, and I have no other explanation for that choice other than that they forgot to commission/ didn't have the time to record something new. The Nazgul theme has absolutely nothing to do with either of those characters or their arcs in that moment. It's cool, but I don't see a better argument for using it in that scene other than "we had nothing else".
What a great observation. I never though about it really. I hope some LOTR experts jump in and explain it bc you might be on to something.
@@soulassasinsv It would definitely be my "one question for Peter Jackson" if I got the chance; because if I'm wrong there was a deliberate artistic choice here that went over my head ;)
I read the Hobbit for the first time when I was nine. I was in my twenties when the Hobbit movies started being released to theaters. The introducton of erebor at the beginning had me crying, it was so powerful.
30:40 Nope. The grey haired dwarf, Balin(the second one to knock on Bilbo's door), IS the cousin of Gimli who's tomb appears in Fellowship.
Olórin was Gandalf's name before he was sent to Middle Earth. But in Middle Earth he is known by many names... the Elves call him Mithrandir, the Grey Pilgrim.
The orcs appear bigger because it is from the perspective of Dwarfs, while the LOTR was from the perspective of unusually tall and power men like Boromir and Aragorn, with Gimli the only reduced sized individual in most of the action scenes and Gimli was unit of a dwarf, taller and bigger than most of his kind. Aside from Azog and his son, the Orcs are the same size as in the Lord of the Rings.
"We're going back--" "There and back again?"
and yes, I was in the theater crying. i remember seeing the Fellowship in theater and cried during the Hobbit because "We're home"
oh! also, they are making a CozyGame based in the Shire: Tales of the Shire it's called. enjoy :)
Omg i can’t wait for your reaction to this series!!! I know there’s a lot of discourse around them but the hobbit series stands on its own and it’s great!
I love your joy at the familiarity of these movies, that you noticed the callbacks to the LOTR, and that you also noticed that the eagles could have made things so much easier.
Rivendell looks even more beautiful in these movies, fresher and greener. The Rivendell of L.O.T.R is aging and everything has that autumnal golden hue. Stunning set design
Its not Lord of the rings but exactly as you stay - its still going back home. I think after the movies, series you will jump hard into all the books and lore and channels that explain it
it's awesome how invested you are. another funny and amazing reaction!
4:20 just wait till you read the Silmarillion mate
Found you literally just because of these movie reactions, but LoTR is my favorite series ever. It's so great to see someone experience it all for the first time, and it's been a joy hanging with you through these.
To answer your first question, yes it was Peter Jackson. However he was not the first director....
Peter was called in very late in production, to try and save it, as it was a mess.
He then spent most of the filming in hospital.
So, you can kind of say he had a 20% Direction to this series.
Fun fact about power scale: A Dragon has absolutely no chance against a Balrog.
@@MrProthall I would beg to differ because there were multiple elven lords that killed a balrog (plus GD of course) single-handedly. But all the dragons that died (except maybe Ancalagon the Black which was killed by the mighty Earendil) had to first be wounded in a first battle and then could only be killed in a different battle and only if they were pierced in the exact same spot. So most of the time it takes more than one mighty character to kill a dragon.
Martin Freeman is on the same caliber of acting and portrayal of a character as anyone in the LOTR trilogy. He really brought young Bilbo to life.
8:08 your adoration for all the characters is very relatable
Radagast the Brown, Legolas' home, Lonely Mtn. are all in a different forest/part of the world than what the LotR movie focused on which were further to the south.
I’m so glad you included it, my absolute favorite lines are Gollum’s “If the Baggins loses, we eats it whole” with the matter-of-fact head tilt, and Bilbo’s long pause, and quick “Fair enough.” Absolute Gold 🤣
Awesome reaction - so heartwarming. I agree, Martin Freeman did a fantastic job playing Bilbo Baggins.
It's interesting that you mentioned 'Sherlock'. I shall say no more... 🤭 -x-
😂😂😂😂 @ 39:36 “this is a shit ton more than Frodo ever did”.
But it also says so much about how vastly different Bilbo and Frodo really were as people.
Bilbo chose to go on an adventure, and it lead him to the Ring, seemingly by chance(it was probably meant to be, but you get my point).
He sought adventure, he got it and that's how he always remembered it.
Frodo didn't have a choice.
He never sought adventure, but it was brought upon him anyway.
And his experience was very different, and would have been, evan without the influence of the Ring, because, like he said himself, he wasn't like Bilbo.
@@morcellemorcelle618 okay a compare and contrast character analysis of them is really not necessary. I thought his reaction to what was happening on screen was funny, that’s all my comment is for, it’s not that deep. I love Tolkien lore so I can appreciate the points you’re making in and of themselves. I’m just saying it’s irrelevant to my comment.
It' just a bit unfair, because Bilbo had a children's book adventure and Frodo an adult's book adventure. As Frodo himself said" My own adventure turned out to be quite different."
Something else the Movies glossed over that's an important peice of context for why Galadriel is in Rivendell.
Elrond is Galadriel's son-in-law. He married Galadriel's daughter, Celebrian (also don't meet her, she passed into the west over 500 years before Fellowship). Arwen and Elrond's sons - twin sons, Elorhir and Ellidan are Galadriel's grand children. So not only is she in Rivendell on business, or in time for a council meeting, but she's also visiting family. The distances involved between Rivendell and Lothlorien, straight line are 500 km distant, with all the paths and crossing the mountains, it's probably more like a 6-700 km journey. In the setting it is like vacationing or wintering in another country or state. You don't just drop everything and make that sort of trip on a whim.
The scene with Galadriel and Gandalf is my favorite of the entire trilogy. I just love it so much.
“His ops were a bit more developed” LMAOO
I loved your expression at the start when you said “We’re going home” .. to the Shire. So happy you’re watching the Hobbit series too!
As an OG Hobbit/LOTR fan, all the way from the Rankin/Bass animations that were some of the main adaptations around in my childhood, it's such fun to see newer fans reacting well to these movies.
A few lore facts that might interest you as well as help you following these movies:
Gloin is Gimli's father (Gimli, son of Gloin) and Balin is Gimli's cousin and the one whose grave the Fellowship found in Moria before the big Troll fight.
The trolls that caught them were indeed the ones that Bilbo was telling the young hobbits at the party about. And the spot were injured Frodo was resting after the Nazgul stabbed him as Sam acknowledges (Look Frodo, it's mr Bilbo's trolls!)
Gandalf was indeed cooking these up, but that was his purpose. The Istari (the wizards) were send by the Valar (gods) in order to help people fight evil, but without ruling over them. Gandalf was the one who better performed this task and became the catalyst to eventual victory.
At the time of these events, Saruman wasn't yet fully aware or corrupted by Sauron, but he was already researching the One Ring and eyeing it for his own benefit.
While Bilbo had the One Ring, it wasn't "fully activated" yet and thus less powerful, for a few reasons. Sauron wasn't as powerful yet and he didn't know it was found so he wasn't focused on it. That's why Bilbo never felt the eye of Sauron watching him while wearing it and why it didn't affect him as much as it did Frodo, even if he had it 60x longer.
The Great Eagles used to be the messengers of the Valar and were very proud and independent. They didn't have very good relations with most people because they had either been betrayed or hunted by them as time passed. So they were certainly not anyone's servant, even though they were friends with Gandalf and would occasionally help him if he was in dire need and asked for it. So, kinda like the Ents, they would only help as much as they chose to
My guy. When you said we're going home... seeing your face smile. Take my sub :D Enjoy and can't wait to take this unexpected journey with you!!
Gundabad Orcs are meant to be a bit bigger and hardier than regular Orc breeds which is why they look a bit different, but Azog and Bolg are much bigger than their Gundabad counterparts also.
They are much farther northward in the Misty Mountains than Moria. Yes, Gimli is from Erebor. His father ,Gloin, is in the company of Thorin. It was about thirty years after this time that Balin, also in the company, tried to retake Moria. The Dwarves of Erebor had no clue as to his company's success or (as it turned out) failure. Nearly fifty years later Gimli sees the answer. It was nearly fifty years because there were 17 years between Bilbo leaving the Shire and Frodo leaving it.
Pretty much all of the Dwarves are related in some degree to one another, but even if there are no blood ties, all those we encounter consider themselves the people of Durin, (father of the Dwarves as Washington is considered the father of our country in the U.S.). There were other founders, but Durin was the prime progenitor of the race and the original founder of Moria which the Dwarves call Khazad Dum.
During this time, when Bilbo wears the ring, Sauron's eye doesn't appear because Sauron wasn't actively looking for the ring. That only started to appear when Gollum was tortured and revealed that it was "Shire, Baggins" and the Nazgul were dispatched - and that's when Frodo sees the eye when he wears the ring starting from when he was in Bree. So in the movies, the last time without seeing the eye when wearing the ring was when Bilbo wore it to disappear in his birthday.
They hadn't gone to Moria yet. Gimli is still a toddler or something by this point, and one of the party, the youngest one with the slingshot who's always by the older man, is called Ori. He's the one who writes the book Gandalf reads from about the drums from the deep. I know you've likely read this already in another comment, I just found it so sad that little Ori went on to die in the Moria tomb with Oin and Balin. Balin is the older one, who talks to Thorin about being toymakers and comes out as one of the more compassionate older dwarves, and Oin is the one with the hearing trumpet. (It took me awhile to properly understand who was who tbh, so I'm laying it out for people like me who struggle to remember all these faces and names.) It was Balin who - after the Hobbit movies - led the group to try to retake Moria from orcs and the Balrog.
Edit: Also just because it gets brought up a lot, you asked the same question a lot do about the eagles taking them all the way to Mordor or all the way to Erebor. The eagles have their own culture and politics, they're intelligent and sentient. (I think they even talk) but basically, they only come to Gandalf's aid because he's a wizard. In lotr, they can't because of the Nazgul's, they'd be torn to bits. And they each have their OWN reasons for helping. So the one on the tower, the one who came to pick up Gandalf when Saruman had trapped him, he owed Gandalf a favour and only agreed to take him so far. He helped him two more times, but these favours aren't just given for no reason. After picking up Sam and Frodo from the lava rock, he basically went "No more favours. This is the end of it." And even then, not taking them all the way to mount doom is because the fellowship was supposed to have a SECRET mission to destroy the ring. Never mind the fact the eagles, like the men, dwarves, elves and ents - unless given a big reason to join, they won't. They aren't just mindless animals that get summoned by a powerful mage. They have their own politics and concerns to worry about. And as for the eagles in the Hobbit movie; this would be Gandalf's first favour asked, but he's asking a lot of them and he knows it. Gandalf is known to be quite the networker, he knows people from all over. This is just him cashing in on that.
But the favour could only stretch so far realistically because he was asking... a lot. One, to save them from orcs and wargs is a big risk to the eagles the responding one brings. But two, they can't take them to the Misty Mountain's where a dragon sleeps. It's a known thing that all the birds have left the area around the mountains, which is why the little saying about the birds returning to the misty mountain is important to note. They WILL not risk the ire of an angry Smaug, it'd destroy them as a people like it did the Dwarves. So they take them close enough.
Ring Wraiths are the Nazgul, the black riders. The "Dragons" they ride are only called "fell beasts" and they are describe more like evil, naked birds in the books, like the evil version of the eagles or something, or almost like pterodactyls
Just another way, Sauron was being an unoriginal Budget-Morgoth: Nazgul on Felbeasts instead of Balrogs on Dragons.
KP I love your reactions to this series and seeing you fall in love with the whole of the lore is always a fun watch.
As a quick tidbits, Mithrandir as Galadriel calls Gandalf is his moniker in Elvish meaning 'Grey Pilgram',
Aside from Erebor and Khazad-Dum (Moria) the Dwarfs had kingdoms in the Blue Mountains: Nogrod and Belegost, some of our Dwarf companions in these films are from the Blue mountains. The survivors of Khazad-Dum set up a small kingdom in the Grey Mountains and there were also Dwarves living in the Iron hills.
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This is probably a reference to another story (which they don’t have the rights to, because it’s in “the Silmarillion”) - one of the main grievances between Elves & dwarves: the dwarves made a priceless set of glittering white necklaces, the “Nauglamír”, commissioned by Elrond’s great-great-grandfather Thingol (the father of Luthien!) - and were supposed to set a Silmaril into it. Then Thingol proceeded refused to pay them their share or they wanted to claimed the Silmaril as it was now set in “their” necklace - and in the end Thingol was slain in his own kingdom, and the dwarves were slaughtered.
I definitely misrepresented some parts & there are many facets to the story so in case you’re interested maybe check out the Wikipedia article on Thingol or even a video from the Silmarillion lore master himself knewbettadobetta :)
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It's wasn't 20 years between the two trilogies, only 10 yrs but that is quite long itself. Be sure to check out all the behind the scenes featurettes which shows what goes into making these films (locations, sets, weapons, & costumes), cast & crew interviews, deleted scenes, etc. Peter Jackson came in to do this series when the originally hired dircetor (Guillermo del Toro) left due to differing views on how the movies should be. I found this article exerpt:
"Guillermo del Toro had his own vision for the film, which differed from Jackson's trilogy while still paying homage to its legacy. Del Toro was not a big fan of the books by J.R.R. Tolkien, but immensely enjoyed Jackson's work, so he planned on honoring it. Time wound on, and del Toro stepped away from the film."
It’s funny that we saw Elijah again in this because he was finally the actual age Frodo was at the start of the Fellowship. He was 33 when it started and about 50 when they actually started their journey.
Christopher Lee accepted playing Saruman a second time on one condition - that he wouldn't need to fly from UK to New Zealand to do the filming. And Peter Jackson said, "Sure", and set up shop IN CHRISTOPHER LEE'S HOUSE, and every scene with him is filmed near his home with greenscreens so the "sets" could be digitally placed in later.
the keys WERE handed to someone else. Then they had to bail and given back to Jackson with LOTS LOTS less prep time. Thats why the dip in quality to LOTR.
Funny you asked about Gimli's cousins, he is with the company. in fact, his father is with them too, along with the dwarf skeleton that was holding the book in Moria.
"The Elves wouldn't attack them over gems right? I don't believe it!"
laugh/cries in the silmarillion
Since no one else (I think) has said anything about the jewels at the beginning being offered to Thranduil, I'll explain lol. The White Gems of Lasgelan was a commissioned piece by Thranduil for his wife, the Queen of Mirkwood. Sadly, she fell in battle in Gundabad, a place you'll see in the other two films. When Thranduil came to take the jewels from the dwarves, the ones who made the piece, they had a disagreement over payment of it and the elven king was denied the White Gems. This is mostly due to Thror's greediness, his ego as the sole Dwarf King and the richest person in Middle Earth. You saw it in the intro, Dragon Sickness. It got to him and it led to the souring of the alliance between the elves of Mirkwood and the dwarves of Erebor. There is a lot more bad blood between the elves and dwarves, but that is explored far, far more in the books. I'd say you go ahead and read them since you want the dwarf lore so much haha. Anyways, great reaction and enjoy the rest of the trilogy!
My dad read me these books when I was in early elementary school in the 70's. I have lived in Middle-Earth ever since.
Bilbo is able to wear the ring at this point because Sauron is still weakened. Yes he wants his ring back, but he cannot sense it... yet. Remember this is 60 years before Bilbo passes the ring to Frodo. Most of Sauron's strength is confined to his immediate geographic area (sannot tell you where, spolier!) , where is building his first army in secret. He has subverted Azog, a Gundabd orc into his service. Gundabad is an Orc Stronghold far to the north of the Goblin city, where Azog is a Cheftain. The orcs and goblins in Moria have not yet left, as the dwarves who went there, think. (this expedition was in the years between end Smaug and the start of the Fellowship. The Goblin town here is just east of rivendell in a pass of the Misty mountains, far to the north of Moria. (The Fellowship travelled south from Rivendell for almost a month before reaching Moria.
BTW, that Dwarf with the thick red beard is Gloin... as in "Gimli, son of Gloin...)
Many of my favorite parts in The Hobbit movies are the scenes between Galadriel and Gandalf, it's some of the best work in movies in my opinion. Galadriel disappearing after her chat with Gandalf gives me chills every time. Just wait until you see the power of the white council later in the series :D Great video as always!!
Nice catch on the fact that Thranduil "just happened" to be there when the dragon attacked. Mirkwood was actually at least a couple days ride for Erebor, even for Elves. Thranduil was already on his way there to get the white gems back. Smaug just happened to beat him there. :P
Bilbo and the dwarves took a path further north than Frodo 's company across the mountains. Bilbo's destination takes them to Erebor wbich is much further to tbe North on tbe other side of the Misty mountains. Also there are geographical descrepencies in the Hobbit movies regarding Rhadagast's movement back and forth across that incredibly treacherous mountain range (he does not appear in tbe book except as a brief appearance in the Fellowship at Bree) and the High Fells of Rhudar would mean Gandalf and Rhadagast
Travelling back West again and very far to the North, (months and months of difficult terrain) There is some confusion regarding the rivers, the Anduin was the river the fellowship took southward in the Elvin boats toward Gondor. In the Hobbit, the river that we encounter later that connects
Laketown to the Lonely Mountain is the 'River Running', much further East than the Anduin. Tolkien always took great pains to factor in great distances and the time and toil it takes to travel on foot tbrough such savage territories, he considered this as crucial to the drama of the story, both LOTR and the Hobbit are Road stories, they are about the journey itself and if the journey is removed or compromised at all, it loses its impact.
In the books the ring isn't as much of a beacon to Sauron like it is in the movies, and Sauron also wasn't as strong at this time either.
Balin is the cousin who came to
Moria to settle. He is one of the company. Gloin, another member, is Gimli’s father.
It's been a week i need the second movie!
0:24 that's exactly how I felt waiting for hobbit to come out
In the lore the dwarves that had been in Moria ended up getting run out of Moria by goblins but also more so by the balrog and were the ones who set up Erebor. And then after as you saw they tried to recapture Moria but failed (in the books one of the top leaders saw the balrog and kept the army from charging in to what would likely have been their deaths). And then of course years later there was the failed attempt we saw the ruins of in Lord of the Rings. That group was after these movies. Also they did not end up in Moria, Goblin Town is a separate location father north. They went almost directly east leaving Rivendell while the Fellowship went south several days travel first.
Also now you see what a real dragon is like (and you barely even saw it) and why the Fell beasts the Nazgul ride are far beneath dragons.
The eagles flew the company to the edge of their territory.
“Dwarves through Gimli are my cousins,too” Maybe more like Uncles since one of those dwarves,Gloín, is Gimli’s dad
I'm happy you're enjoying the series and I can wait for you to experience the rest of the tale. I utterly adore how much dwarf content we get from these movies
28:13 • Mithrandir is his Sindarin (Grey Elvish m) name which means grey pilgrim/wanderer.
Gandalf is his Common name. His original name is Olórin which is Quenyan (High Elvish) for dreams/visions of the mind.
The wizard Radagast the brown isn't named in LOTR but he actually helped save Gandalf when Saruman had him imprisoned at the top of his tower. Gandalf sent a message to him using the moth. That is how the eagle was sent to rescue him.
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Yes, Saruman was already searching the Gladden Fields (where Isildur fell & lost the Ring in the river) by this time - he was absolutely playing both sides
Also - none of the Ringwraiths were ever buried, that’s their whole point - their bodies shrivelled away over the centuries, until the were nothing but hollow wraiths bound by the power of the 9 Rings
It doesn't explain it in the movies but in the books Frodo's parents die and Bilbo becomes his guardian as a relative (uncle) of Frodo's. That's why he comes to live with Bilbo.
Radagast is not in the book The Hobbit, but he is in LotR briefly. Saruman dissembles his intentions and sends Radagast to find Gandalf. Gandalf goes to Saruman as seen in the movies, but he tells Radagast to send birds to Saruman and Gandalf. That is why Gwaihir shows up. Since they skipped Radagast in the movie, the used the moth motif instead.
I understand the confusion, but Gimli's cousins that tried to retake Moria are actually in this party. Balin, Oin and Ori were the leaders of the party that made the attempt, and it it Balin's tomb they find before they are confronted by the Balrog.
Sorry, I have to say...Expecting food that look appetizing in a movie that is essentially about the British, is optimism manifest. :D Speaking of things iconically British, the older among the audience may remember the actor playing Radagast in his role as the Seventh Doctor in Dr Who, playing in the role from 1987-1989. Lastly, as a fellow Sherlock fan, I hope you remembered Smaug was voice by Benedict "Dr Strange" Cumberbatch.
I am a simple soul. I see extended version reaction, i click
Knowing that the white haired dwarf who everyone respects is ballin, the one who’s tomb it was in the fellowship of the ring when they went to moria, is soooo sad.
Can't wait to see my ruffled lakeman and handsome elf-husband again
You have got it exactly right. Gandalf was sent to Middle Earth to help people to resist Sauron and his forces. BTW, Peter Jackson had to take over the making of the Hobbit movies from another director, so he had to accept some of what was already done. I don't think he captures the charm of the original book, but on the other hand, he was able to get his cast back together and present this as a prequel to the Lord of the Rings in ways I find very satisfying. So good to see Frodo! Elijah Wood stayed young for a ridiculously long time.
something really tells me that you might enjoy LoTR and Hobbit audiobooks - these are voiced by Andy Serkis and he is doing amazing job mimicing Ian McKellen as Gandalf ❤
IMO, these are simply not on the level of LOTR (few things are) and stretching three films from a pretty slim book definitely shows. That being said, it's still nice to be back in Middle Earth. I take the same stance on Rings of Power, it has faults, but you can see the care and craft in some of the creature design and acting.
I'm glad they included the Stone Giants, they were only mentioned in one paragraph if I recall correctly. I was surprised to see them.
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He did, a small part at least in the books - he was inadvertently involved in masking Saruman’s betrayal, as well as later on inadvertently helping Gandalf’s escape from the tower of Orthanc 🦅
But mostly he just keeps to himself in the woods, minding his own business, and through that also neglecting his wizarding duty of “stewardship” of the free people of Middle Earth in their fight against Sauron.
28:06 Lady Galadriel called Gandalf by his Sindarin elvish name of Mithrandir, the Grey Pilgrim. In LOTR, Denethor also calls Gandalf by his Sindarin name.
"The elves wouldn't attack them over jewelry and gold, that's like so beneath them isn't it?" Once you get through The Silmarillion, you're gonna look back at that and laugh.
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Other way around probably - Shelob (the giant spider in Cirith Ungol in Mordor) - is the probable foremother of these smaller but more numerous spider colonies -
And She herself is “the last child of Ungoliant troubling the unhappy world”
Your reaction is so wholesome to watch! Love it ❤❤