Camshaft - High Lift and Duration - Increase Horsepower
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- Can you increase horsepower with a better camshaft? How can camshafts be optimized for maximum horsepower? What techniques do engineers use to design a camshaft? What is high lift and duration? This video explains several methods to keep in mind when purchasing or designing an aftermarket camshaft.
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A few car enthusiast's think they know everything about how engines work, so when they hear something that conflicts with their "knowledge" they get upset. Just like everything, it's ego.
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It's possible to increase your max hp and still get better fuel economy, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the two will happen simultaneously. For example, more hp typically means you'll need more air, and consequentially more fuel. But if your engine operates more efficiently at lower RPM, and creates higher power at higher RPM, you can have a combination of good fuel economy and HP. This is basically the principle behind VTEC/VVT/valve timing.
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One of the major limitations of stock engines, if you're trying to get higher revs is valve float. With stock valve springs, there is a designed limit to how quickly the valve can open and close. At higher rpms, the valve can't snap shut before the cam is opening it again, so the valve just "floats" there in a semi-open position.
Just putting in a more aggressive cam does not solve this problem. You must use stronger valve springs, so that the valve can snap shut more quickly than stock. Of course, stronger valve springs bring considerations of their own and cannot reliably be done in isolation. So, just a camshaft swap cannot produce magical results, and you'll invariably notice compromises like reduced fuel economy, rougher idle, worse emissions, and poorer power at lower rpms.
The moral of the story is that a camshaft swap in isolation doesn't produce a dramatic effect for the better, and there are invariably compromises for the worse. An engine is a very fine-tuned collection of parts that have been selected for their particular properties that contribute to a gigantic pile of chosen compromises. To "increase horsepower," in a reliable way, you generally have to swap out entire "sub-systems," so that, say, the entire valve train and timing set will cope with increased loads, etc.
But then you get into questions like, "Were your 6000 rpm wrist pins and rod bearings designed for 8000 rpms and 25% greater horsepower over stock? Your main bearings? Are you going to get adequate oil flow to critical components at the higher rpms?" Etc. There is no free lunch. You can't get something for nothing. Swap out certain parts, and you're just making other sorts of compromises, usually at the expense of reliability. At the outer end of the spectrum of compromises are top fuel dragsters that typically get an engine rebuild after every run (and an entire replacement clutch set)! That's "maximizing performance," but you do not get something for nothing!
My best friend, who built racing engines for living, used to say to wannabes, "Speed costs money. How fast do you want to go?" A camshaft swap-out in isolation is pretty cheap and easy, and it doesn't net you very much at all.
^Absolutely true
On a side note, I also have a friend who runs a grassroots racing team focused on endurance race and the likes.
He actually tries to cram in OEM stock parts as much as possible since they're the most robust and reliable.
Maybe you should make a youtube video
Someone finally explained how a camshaft works where the person can understand. You have a gift of making things easier to get. Thanks for that. Love your channel by the way
Great video as always, however this is not at all the whole story. Improving the breathing at higher revs will give you more power at those rpms but also lower the power at low rpms and often narrow the power band considerably. The more of a "race cam" you put in your engine the bigger the problem gets. Overdoing this can make the car almost unusable at low rpms. Great for a race car where you want full power most of the time, but bad for a street car where you also want to be able to cruise without reving the hell out of the engine at all time.
Who wants to have 200hp at 7000rpm but only 50hp at 6000rpm and below? I would much rather have only 150hp at 7000rpm but 100hp all the way down to 4000rpm. Would make for a greater street car and also a better race car.
So please do not go out an buy the most extreme cam you can find. Camshafts are a black art in itself and on top of that the camshaft need to match every other part of the engine and bigger is not always better.
With that said most engines, that are not already high performance engines, can almost always benefit from replacing the camshaft. You should easily be able to increase hp with 20% without loosing driveability. However depending on the engine you might need to replace other parts of the engine to take advantage of the new cam.
Could you explain the science behind that please? Its just that everyone says it and I'm not 100% certain if it's true.
@@MrAndrius12 you lose manifold vacuum at low rpm, the more overlap the cam has (intake open and exhaust open at the same time) the worse it performs at low rpm
@@averyfilbert1596 yeah the intake and exhaust being open at the same time makes full sense. May I ask, how would turbo/supercharging would affect all this?
My Name Is Hello they got specific cams for forced induction, they’re pretty similar, people used to run more lobe separation on them to increase back pressure on the exhaust but now they’re running similar specs to the n/a cams... im not 100% sure on turbo cams but the bigger they are the less drivable the car is, they have trouble with idle and depending on boost your power band would be higher but youd make more power
@@averyfilbert1596 so even if the turbo boost is 30 psi (2 bars) the cam is going to be similar?
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I love the videos that this guy uploads, they're so useful and everything's just clearly explained. These videos are good for beginners and people who want to know about how each components function in cars.
The video isn't a recommendation; it's a basic overview of *how* altering the cams can alter horsepower. The comments are for discussion of course, so add any knowledge you may have, or feel free to leave a video response.
I do not.. haven't gotten much into engine building, though I do plan on it eventually. Best of luck!
Thanks, they do go hand in hand, really. Increasing the amount of air/fuel etc means a greater pressure rise in the cylinder, meaning a greater torque, meaning greater power. You may want to check out my video "Horsepower vs torque."
Great video as always Jason. Thanks for taking the time to make this.
I really learn a lot in a short period of time from watching your vids! thank you. I cant wait to get my gsc s2 cams installed in my 2007 sti
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I suppose it would yes. Especially if you're actually allowing in significantly more air/fuel. Hence when VTEC "kicks in" it is noticeably louder, from the change in cam lift.
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I couldn't tell you the direct relationship, and of course it would depend on the engine, but larger valves will promote better airflow, and likely will affect high RPM power a good amount (assuming the cylinder head is expanded accordingly).
Correct. If it was designed specifically for the stock engine, the stock cam is probably best. But if you have additional upgrades and need better airflow, this can help.
I took a few classes in college including internal combustion engines, and automotive engineering (yes, the titles were this basic). Mostly researched on my own, I have a bit more detail on my FAQ's, you can find the link on the "about" page of my channel.
More airflow nice!
Those drawings make easier to understand
Some geometry I suppose, and faith in your valve springs. Good valve springs are critical for higher RPM.
Great points, thanks for sharing.
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Great video, made that super simple to understand why a cam shaft upgrade is worth it.
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Great video I understood the basic concept before but now it actually makes sense.
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Always enjoy the videos. I think you should clarify that in addition to going to a higher duration/lift camshaft it is often required that a stronger spring and retainer be used to compliment the additional stress from opening the valve further and at a higher rate of speed and to make sure valve float does not occur at higher rpms than what the stock valvetrain was designed for. Could you do a future video explaining what lobe separation angle is and how adjusting it changes torque peak?
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An interesting video and very appropriate for me today as I've been looking at swapping out the cams on my Caterham Roadsport for either the Supersport spec cams, or piper 633's. Both have greater lift and greater duration than the standard cams, and deliver this power at much higher RPM. So instead of having say 120hp at 6500rpm, i'll have more like 140hp but probably nearer 7500rpm! Obviously to get these kinds of gains, you need to remap your car to take account of the new cams and rev limit, and also ensure that your intake manifold and exhaust system can supply and remove enough air quickly to make the most of the hotter cams.
It's a hugely interesting subject and shows just how much can be done to alter the nature of a car.
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I wouldn't look to swapping cams, as it's probably pretty good as is. There are of course many other routes to increasing airflow.
I think you should also have mentioned the disadvantages, like low performance at low RPM :)
Robin K. Wouldn’t a tune for more power at the bottom end fix that?
@@wey12341 no, given what can you would decide to go with most benefit upper rpm for peak hp not tq, so you sacrifice low end tq for top end hp. Has nothing to do with a tune, more or less just the design of the camshaft. To my knowledge lol
So, the low end torque will decrease for sure if I use a performance camshaft that boosts the power on the higher rpms?
Alfa Kenny Juan you spend a majority of time at 1500-3100 rpm
@@getsuccessfulwithandito1550 yes. a larger lift cam will typically yield more torque at the low end compared to high end hp gain, a high lift cam usually doesnt need an increased rev limiter. high duration, high seperation cams are for high rpm, top end hp gains but sometimes a loss of power in the bottom end
Man these schematics you drew are perfect. Just wanted to know what a high lift cam shaft does and just by looking at the whiteboard, I immediately got it
WHEN I FIRST OPENED THIS VIDEO I THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO BE SOMETHING FUNNY TO WATCH, LIKE A KID THAT DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT. AND EVEN THOUGH HE DIDN'T GO IN DEPTH WITH MORE ASPECTS SUCH AS ICL AND LSA, FOR A BASIC EXPLANATION HE WAS VERY GOOD AT DESCRIBING THE MECHANICS OF A CAMSHAFT AND HOW IT OPERATES. MOST PEOPLE DO NOT FULLY UNDERSTAND DURATION AND LIFT AND HOW THEY AFFECT THE OPERATION OF THE VALVE, BUT MOST THAT ARE TRYING TO DO CAM SWAPS JUST LOOK AT LIFT AND DURATION BLINDLY OR LISTEN TO WHAT PEOPLE SAY HAS WORKED ON THEIR BUILDS NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT IT MAY NOT WORK ON OTHER BUILDS.
VERY GOOD BASIC INFORMATIVE VIDEO. THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE OUT THERE LIKE THIS FOR THE PEOPLE WANTING TO LEARN.
Nice video!! For a future video I think a good topic to talk about would be the torque and horsepower curves.
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thanks, that was very easy to understand, now I understand why Vtec creates more hp at high RPMs
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Absolutely.
thanks for the video. Its simple enough so anybody can understand the idea behind so called performance cams. What I can't work out is why this isn't already optimized on the stock gear. Why not have the bets air filter and best possible cam already from factory. It surely would not be that much more expensive if at all.
Thanks
HI Jason, Great informative videos. I've watched many of your videos and have learned a lot. I was wondering if you could do a video about the Fiat MultiAir system. It seems like it can completely bypass the intake cam and open the intake valve whenever. Perhaps also compare systems like VTEC and VANOS etc.?
Cams shouldn't affect the brakes in any way, unless your power gain is very significant, in which case you may want larger/better cooling brakes to compensate.
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I got some questions regarding valves I'm doing my self
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Yes, a better lobe for high rpm power production. It has higher lift and I think it also has higher duration. Engineering Explained may have done a video on VTEC. Also, Eric the Car Guy did a great video on VTEC in which he actually shows your the camshaft of a car with the system and does a very nice job of explaining it. Oil pressure is used to select the new lobe in a VTEC system.
Very good informative video. Higher rpm improves the horsepower potential of an engine not automatically add hp.
Perhaps, but it really shouldn't be affected too much since both valves will be closed during the compression stroke, which is when the spark will fire.
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Hello, i wish that you also explained one of the cam parts, which is a cam wheel. Could you please do a video about adjustable cam gears on SOHC/DOHC?
How advancing/retarding the timing of camshaft functions?
What does it do to SOHC/DOHC? I would love to hear that.
Great video as always, loved the explanation !!
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Great video. Thank you. I assume a tune should follow after this swap? What are some of other things should i consider? I have a Challenger 5.7. I will be swapping my exhaust from header. You mentioned airflow fuel flow is it necessary to change the injectors as well? Thanks again for the information.
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Short ram intake vs cold air intake
I think that'd be a great one
And thank you for these videos there very helpful
Matthew Iwanka short ram pulls hot engine bay air = les air in same space but cold air from outside engine bay means more air molecules in same space = more power
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Awesome video, but what i wanna know is what about the valve springs, wouldn't they need swapping out if you got bigger cam lobes? And if the valve's opening a little more than with the stock cams, wouldn't it run the risk of hitting the piston? Therefore would i need to adjust the the compression ratio, or simply get shorter piston rods?
Well you don't want any load other than directly down, a cam may put a sideways load on it, but probably can/has been done.
Thanks for the video.
As long as the valve spring is strong enough, the timing depends on the degrees of rotation, not the amount of lift.
Yep
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You have several videos about increasing horsepower but how would one go about increasing mid-range torque? Just increase the horsepower and the torque will come along? Are there other options?
You should have mentioned something about valve float in there when you started talking about higher rpm applications.
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great video
Can I ask something? If installing an aftermarket camshaft, is it possible that no other mods or any other aftermarket parts shoud be installed too? Except for aftermarket cam pulley. Thanks!
Randomly browsing youtube for cam shaft size explanations....and of course Engineering Explained has a video on this....from SIX years ago! LOL!
Here's what you need to know. There's no such thing as too much cam. There's just not enough engine.
Very well said !
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Can you make one explaining the relationship between fuel efficiency and maximum horse power?
If I give my engine more horse power, does that automatically mean that I'll get worse gas mileage... or is it possible to increase both my max horse power AND my gas mileage at the same time?
Did you find out?
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It'd be an awesome and insightful video if you'd cover the efficiency and emissions aspect of valve timing. I kinda wonder how much better fuel efficiency one would be able to get with different cams and a more efficient tune.
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To increase revs you also have to have in mind do the components of the engine are strong enough to be revved more. Most important component that will stop a engine revving safely is valve springs, if any valve float caused by weak springs will cause problems if a collision with piston occurs at higher revs. Also rod /stroke ratios that is detrimental to the strength of piston as it approaches and passes it's design speed has to be thought about also. Making a engine rev past it's designed strength of components can be a failure of a component waiting to happen. To make a engine safe to rev more than it was designed too is a tricky and expensive undertaking.
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yeah, good question. i always thought there was a direct connection with the lobe and the valve