This video seems to have been made using footage edited together from a variety of source, including ours. As orginators of the footage we own it and have never given anyone permission to use it.
I had this idea back in the 90's. Imagine a floating pier with a hotel, restaurants, etc that takes advantage of both waves as well as tide change to generate power.
Have you heard of another company that’s using break waters to generate energy? I believe they’re working on the northern coast of the Mediterranean. I’d like to hear your take on it, and any opinions you may have.
"Guys we need renewable, sustainable energy to save the planet from the devastating effects we are causing by burning fossil fuels!" *Develops creative solution to harvest energy from the ocean. "uHh, LeT's uSE tHiS tO MiNe fOR fOsSiL fUEls"
These should be pretty much self contained and not put out crap. That said, this would take a lot of kinetic energy out of the waves and who knows what kind of side effects that could cause if done at large scale.
The math on effective capture of wave energy is simple. A generator should maximize area of ocean surface covered (to maximize energy potential) while being durable, and cheap relative to its ocean coverage. This device may work great. Looks potentially durable. But tiny ocean coverage relative to its weight and therefore it’s cost. Therefore it is far far from competitive as a solution design, and is not the answer.
Sounds like you don't fully understand the 'math of effective energy capture'. Capture is related to swept volume of the absorber, and yes, you need big volumes to absorb large amounts of energy and this is why we intend to scale up and group absorbers to achieve utility scale. Reference the results of the Wave Energy Prize to see if we are competitive or not!
@@Bellagrass I agree, you describe the basis for capture potential better as swept volume, but that is a function, at least in large part, of the amount of ocean that you are tapping into, as I think we are both saying. I do think my point stands though. The potential effectiveness of a wave energy generator is a function of how much of that ocean volume that can be captures relative to the cost of the aparatus. This means that a design that is cheap and not complex, yet highly durable and effective at capturing the energy (hadt to achieve all of these at once obviously) will be the determinant of what solutions win out. If a design is too expensive because it is simply too massive relative to its energy capture, someone will beat that design by making something that can capture the same energy with a lighter design. That is how the solutions will have to evolve.
great idea. Would like to see them applied it to car's suspensions while driving to generate electricity to the HEV/PHEV/EV battery pack and recovering additional electricity when breaking.
Waves are essentially solar powered. Sun to weather to waves to electricity. I get 10 kilowatts from $3000 of solar panels direct from the sun, no middle man. No moving parts, no maintenance.
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The good: more optimal for surviving storms, less wear and tear in a rough sea state. No visual impact. Potential to avoid marine traffic. Potential to adjust power density by adjusting depth. The bad: Invisible to ships (without sonar). (Collision hazard.). Power density decreases with depth. Fixed depth may not be optimal. Adjustable depth is more complicated.
This is really cool in the aspect of clean energy, I know this is a silly question but how loud are they? Are they interfering with whale pods and how they communicate? What about their migration patterns, have you found a place where they won’t be?
There had been so many ideas and probably patents (american style of - i don't know, but i want to block, use drawing, cannot apply cannot implement cannot work. Block first talk later. Steal all credit before any work done. Observe to trick and cheat and put into patent) for so many years but to no real significant progress. The answer is bouyancy which you are complacent due to snobbishness. Bouyancy of tidal rise-receed can produce torque to spin low weight flywheel very quickly (if high toque with high speed = bearings expensive melting good. Not wrong when use to melt metals or destroy rubbish things by hahaha-compaction or pulveriser or "pneumatic-hydraulic"-press) Ship ballast is push-pull in-out tidal better. Submerged flexible connected air-pressure controlled metal platforms of 2 different gauge-layers are better to wring-arms of cranes (2 is a lot better than one when it comes to durability), rocker is oil-well pump-arm.
Street lamp, tram electric rails, monorails, power transmission cables, ... = cable-car the river-bank to pull(bidirectional along) boat up-down counter-weighted = infrastructure then add ballast push-pull tidal-generator but not using tide using flow = paddle wheel, paddle boat, excavator tracks, chain links, ... size big is boat efficiency
Been an idea with little motivation at least since the 70's when it was my brother-in-law's middle school science project. And... powering undersea oil rigs... what? I thought we were killing the oil industry.
I don't suspect (outside of specialized uses like the ones mentioned) its probably going to be viable. I'd have to dig into it more, but how much materials/cost/etc go into it versus the expected payout in electricity? Also given the degradation they are likely to face being exposed in the ocean, how long will they last before having to be either replaced or retrofitted. Also considering the implicit danger from where these are placed (assuming higher tidal activity being better). Neat concept though. I am curious why they opted for underwater versus on the surface.
Nice idea, but probably subject to corrosion. Seawater enters the shaft of the kind of piston pump mechanism. This might occur in very small quantities but seems to be inevitable. It would corrode both piston and bushing. How could such intrusion be avoided?
It's very good tech that we require to meet our current and future demands, how about the heat dissipated and transfer to water by these devices, I am thinking about millions of such devices.
So, I've been doing my own research into this, and I've found that the exact numbers vary a lot with sea conditions. the most common wave type I was looking into (1-3 foot waves with a 3-4 second period) are just below solar panels (about 70%) for energy potential per unit area, assuming minimal losses. but those numbers rise quickly with taller waves or a faster period. It's hard to see here, but it looks like the cross sectional area here looks to be in the neighborhood of about 12 feet in diameter, so that's around 10 meters squared, or about on par with solar panels, before losses and ignoring interference distance. which is pretty good.
@@bens7732 It looks like a half decent first draft, but I have several questions. First off, I see a lot of rust on the test unit, why is it made from a material basically designed to be destroyed by the sea? Second, the method of power transfer looks a little fuzzy, is it hydraulics? It's not the worst thing that could be used, but given how slow they would be to react I would not go with that. Third, how were the sizes of the floats chosen? They look to be oversized for the water they are in. lastly, what's the efficiency and cost per KWH? those are the numbers that REALLY matter.
I like the concept, interesting to see how far they will go with it. Water volume is dense and to see them utilize the motion of this dense liquid per planetary motion is intuitive. Although water can be very cold, crushing and corrosive, looking forward to a day that this idea could supplement future electric grid if not act as a contingency to our standard electric infrastructure.
portable power supply FROM tide and wave power!!!!!!!! this the future of power generation!!! ive been trying to push this since 1980, always no help, toss small one in at anchor and poof my BOAT HAS LIMITLESS POWER!!!! free POWER!!!!! portable power supply FROM tide and wave power
That concept is a decade old at least and this example is way too complicated and expensive. The same motion an be achieved with a floater on the waves itself and does not have to be submerged.
Seems a lot of the power of the wave is lost by only extracting energy a one point .. better to take a blade of a wind turbine .. fill it with foam or air and rig it to rise and fall with each wave ..let’s start small ..or maybe a twin system spaced so the drop of one blade combines with the lift of another…wave power is the way to go
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I just hope governments or power providers aren't gonna find a BS reason to block technology like this that's gonna solve rising energy costs. We need this TODAY.
@@gregkramer5588 There have been other attempts at this style of wave energy converter. But the companies always go out of business since it costs so much to go to full scale. Hopefully one day the economics will work out. If you're interested in Wave energy though, look into oscillating water columns. They very well might be the best candidate.
@@zakhawthorne8442 They are interesting also. For some areas they may be great. In the US we have room for solar which is getting pretty hard to beat from a pricing perspective.
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Can you imagine needing 1 of these for every home(best case 1 for every 5 homes :)? Talk about sea level rise with the water displacement....smh Just think about the amount of maintenance needed to keep the barnacles off the piston. What a joke!
Interesting device but energy saving? How much energy is needed for the whole infrastructure of this industry? Imo, the only type of energy with positive gain output is fusion.
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@@ckcnj9175 you are correct. It was reported by a Twitter release that bankruptcy is on the table. What did Musk do with all the multi-millions the Saudis gave home to close his Twitter purchase.
Such a good buoy
😂
Bestest buoy ever 😍😂
Shame on u😊
you made my day!
Good one! 😀
We need to start building new Nuclear Power plants again. They are unbeatable.
If anything I'd say this is a great way to supplement existing electricity sources and as a means for a backup in case the power grid goes offline.
This video seems to have been made using footage edited together from a variety of source, including ours. As orginators of the footage we own it and have never given anyone permission to use it.
All innovation is good, but at this point there are already really attractive and cheap green energy sources.
Would like to see a similar video about Oscilla Power who has a great design for wave energy capture
10 Kilowatts is plenty for an American home, that would be 240 kWh per day, far more than any home uses.
So glad to see that smart people are coming up with these innovative ways to power our lives.
Go For It
wave energy, finally. good work. let's go.
*The logo looks so apocalyptic* 😭😂
I had this idea back in the 90's.
Imagine a floating pier with a hotel, restaurants, etc that takes advantage of both waves as well as tide change to generate power.
sounds cool, even doable but infrastructure wise and logistics wise would be a nightmare
Amazing video bro
Have you heard of another company that’s using break waters to generate energy? I believe they’re working on the northern coast of the Mediterranean. I’d like to hear your take on it, and any opinions you may have.
Reminds me of solar panels. The cost of maintaining vs production.
true but if we dont invest in research then we arnt gonna get good products which is why funding is so crucial
"Guys we need renewable, sustainable energy to save the planet from the devastating effects we are causing by burning fossil fuels!"
*Develops creative solution to harvest energy from the ocean.
"uHh, LeT's uSE tHiS tO MiNe fOR fOsSiL fUEls"
Yes it's animal friendly. And could be used in conjunction with fish farming reefs
I think it’s amazing can’t wait till it’s in commercial use
Wow, what a great idea!
A giant octopus throws this in anger on a pirate ship 🐙
It looks like a jellyfish.
get your generators running
I still think we'd need to be VERY cognizant of what we could be doing to the ocean...the sea life, the crap the machines put out, etc.
These should be pretty much self contained and not put out crap. That said, this would take a lot of kinetic energy out of the waves and who knows what kind of side effects that could cause if done at large scale.
honestly valid response, but as far as im aware it just uses a magnet sent up and down through a copper coil to generate the electricity
The math on effective capture of wave energy is simple. A generator should maximize area of ocean surface covered (to maximize energy potential) while being durable, and cheap relative to its ocean coverage. This device may work great. Looks potentially durable. But tiny ocean coverage relative to its weight and therefore it’s cost. Therefore it is far far from competitive as a solution design, and is not the answer.
Sounds like you don't fully understand the 'math of effective energy capture'. Capture is related to swept volume of the absorber, and yes, you need big volumes to absorb large amounts of energy and this is why we intend to scale up and group absorbers to achieve utility scale. Reference the results of the Wave Energy Prize to see if we are competitive or not!
@@Bellagrass I agree, you describe the basis for capture potential better as swept volume, but that is a function, at least in large part, of the amount of ocean that you are tapping into, as I think we are both saying. I do think my point stands though. The potential effectiveness of a wave energy generator is a function of how much of that ocean volume that can be captures relative to the cost of the aparatus. This means that a design that is cheap and not complex, yet highly durable and effective at capturing the energy (hadt to achieve all of these at once obviously) will be the determinant of what solutions win out. If a design is too expensive because it is simply too massive relative to its energy capture, someone will beat that design by making something that can capture the same energy with a lighter design. That is how the solutions will have to evolve.
Thank you sir. We need lotsa such things all around globe.
great idea. Would like to see them applied it to car's suspensions while driving to generate electricity to the HEV/PHEV/EV battery pack and recovering additional electricity when breaking.
Yes, and roads made of holes for extra power
@@anteromano5559 imagine how fuel efficient a large vehicle would be if they apply your idea! Maybe no more road tax since no road repair is needed😉
Regen breaking
that would make a car extremely bulky, as it requires a magnet wrapped around a coil of copper to generate the power.
I was thought it was AWS servers by amazon 😂
Any article is available on this work?
Waves are essentially solar powered. Sun to weather to waves to electricity. I get 10 kilowatts from $3000 of solar panels direct from the sun, no middle man. No moving parts, no maintenance.
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Amazing 😲
500 KW for 50 metric tonnes, it is best for some specialized industrial purposes
SCALING IT is then for everyone!!!!! think big FREE FOR POOR FOLKS as big corps been squashing this for generations , cant stop social media now we take over and BECOME self-sufficient
The good: more optimal for surviving storms, less wear and tear in a rough sea state. No visual impact. Potential to avoid marine traffic. Potential to adjust power density by adjusting depth.
The bad: Invisible to ships (without sonar). (Collision hazard.). Power density decreases with depth. Fixed depth may not be optimal. Adjustable depth is more complicated.
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lol
This is really cool in the aspect of clean energy, I know this is a silly question but how loud are they? Are they interfering with whale pods and how they communicate? What about their migration patterns, have you found a place where they won’t be?
Have an indoor pilot test bed and derive the calculated result from the scale
There had been so many ideas and probably patents (american style of - i don't know, but i want to block, use drawing, cannot apply cannot implement cannot work. Block first talk later. Steal all credit before any work done. Observe to trick and cheat and put into patent) for so many years but to no real significant progress.
The answer is bouyancy which you are complacent due to snobbishness. Bouyancy of tidal rise-receed can produce torque to spin low weight flywheel very quickly (if high toque with high speed = bearings expensive melting good. Not wrong when use to melt metals or destroy rubbish things by hahaha-compaction or pulveriser or "pneumatic-hydraulic"-press)
Ship ballast is push-pull in-out tidal better.
Submerged flexible connected air-pressure controlled metal platforms of 2 different gauge-layers are better to wring-arms of cranes (2 is a lot better than one when it comes to durability), rocker is oil-well pump-arm.
American lawyers are supporters of ... cannot emigrate.
Street lamp, tram electric rails, monorails, power transmission cables, ...
= cable-car the river-bank to pull(bidirectional along) boat up-down counter-weighted
= infrastructure then add ballast push-pull tidal-generator but not using tide using flow
= paddle wheel, paddle boat, excavator tracks, chain links, ... size big is boat efficiency
Great video 👍
We should be supporting all means of producing power beyond fossil fuels.
Is it 10KW generated per hr or per day? 10KW can power average home for a day.
You understand that a watt is a measure of power and not energy right?
I.e. 10kW is 10,000 J/s
I have that same lamp
The tide is coming in for tidal energy. 😋
but i just worried about the ecosystem balance
This should be very unobtrusive and self contained.
Been an idea with little motivation at least since the 70's when it was my brother-in-law's middle school science project.
And... powering undersea oil rigs... what? I thought we were killing the oil industry.
Interesting, but does it work and how would it be able to deliver it to homes and businesses. Sounds Good?
I don't suspect (outside of specialized uses like the ones mentioned) its probably going to be viable. I'd have to dig into it more, but how much materials/cost/etc go into it versus the expected payout in electricity? Also given the degradation they are likely to face being exposed in the ocean, how long will they last before having to be either replaced or retrofitted. Also considering the implicit danger from where these are placed (assuming higher tidal activity being better).
Neat concept though. I am curious why they opted for underwater versus on the surface.
Fantastic
i wonder if they can integrate quartz crystal to supplement its efficiency and total output
What does it become when the water is not there? It's there a plan for a bobbing windmill?
Nice idea, but probably subject to corrosion. Seawater enters the shaft of the kind of piston pump mechanism. This might occur in very small quantities but seems to be inevitable. It would corrode both piston and bushing. How could such intrusion be avoided?
Not a hazard to navigation at all.
Future fortunes this
Nah let's keep funding solar panels that only last 9 years and leach heavy metals and wind turbines that break down frequently.
It's very good tech that we require to meet our current and future demands, how about the heat dissipated and transfer to water by these devices, I am thinking about millions of such devices.
Interesting... The buoy has solar cells on it.
Use it to power electric boats across the ocean
So, I've been doing my own research into this, and I've found that the exact numbers vary a lot with sea conditions. the most common wave type I was looking into (1-3 foot waves with a 3-4 second period) are just below solar panels (about 70%) for energy potential per unit area, assuming minimal losses. but those numbers rise quickly with taller waves or a faster period.
It's hard to see here, but it looks like the cross sectional area here looks to be in the neighborhood of about 12 feet in diameter, so that's around 10 meters squared, or about on par with solar panels, before losses and ignoring interference distance. which is pretty good.
What do you think of EcoWave?
@@bens7732 It looks like a half decent first draft, but I have several questions.
First off, I see a lot of rust on the test unit, why is it made from a material basically designed to be destroyed by the sea?
Second, the method of power transfer looks a little fuzzy, is it hydraulics? It's not the worst thing that could be used, but given how slow they would be to react I would not go with that.
Third, how were the sizes of the floats chosen? They look to be oversized for the water they are in.
lastly, what's the efficiency and cost per KWH? those are the numbers that REALLY matter.
every part of the world is gonna have to figure out what wroks for them, this wouldnt work in the middle of a desert
so… shake weight for the sea
Inefficient and also high maintenance. The moving part exposed to the ocean environment. Thumbs down. I have better ideas.
I like the concept, interesting to see how far they will go with it. Water volume is dense and to see them utilize the motion of this dense liquid per planetary motion is intuitive. Although water can be very cold, crushing and corrosive, looking forward to a day that this idea could supplement future electric grid if not act as a contingency to our standard electric infrastructure.
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portable power supply FROM tide and wave power!!!!!!!! this the future of power generation!!! ive been trying to push this since 1980, always no help, toss small one in at anchor and poof my BOAT HAS LIMITLESS POWER!!!! free POWER!!!!! portable power supply FROM tide and wave power
That concept is a decade old at least and this example is way too complicated and expensive. The same motion an be achieved with a floater on the waves itself and does not have to be submerged.
It looks fairly expensive for 10kw 😞
Seems a lot of the power of the wave is lost by only extracting energy a one point .. better to take a blade of a wind turbine .. fill it with foam or air and rig it to rise and fall with each wave ..let’s start small ..or maybe a twin system spaced so the drop of one blade combines with the lift of another…wave power is the way to go
Nice
Nice to see this working and going beyond expectations 👍 better than those ugly bird killing wind turbines.
The number of birds killed by turbines is small compared with other sources.
Also I think turbines look good.
@@zakhawthorne8442 give an example of other sources numb nuts
@@PeaceAndLove303 Although to make it easier , this is the contents of the table:
Buildings 100m
Hunters 100m
Vehicles 60-80m
Communication towers 10-40m
Pesticides 67m
Power lines 0.01-174m
Wind turbines 0.15m
@@zakhawthorne8442 what's this got to do with turbines numb nuts. The under sea turbine doesn't kill wild life wind turbines do. Get it now numb nuts.
@@PeaceAndLove303 Your original comment was about wind turbines killing birds.... Maybe you can't remember that far back
I love it
How about Corrosion, breakdowns and getting run over by large ships? Or is that like the $10,000 electric car battery that we shouldn't talk about?
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I just hope governments or power providers aren't gonna find a BS reason to block technology like this that's gonna solve rising energy costs. We need this TODAY.
I would worry about cost. This needs to be able to compete with 10kw from solar which is under $20k
@@gregkramer5588 Presumably this is test scale, which explains the low power output.
@@zakhawthorne8442 I guess we will see. It seems like one with 10x the size may cost more than 10x. Hard to say at this time.
@@gregkramer5588 There have been other attempts at this style of wave energy converter. But the companies always go out of business since it costs so much to go to full scale. Hopefully one day the economics will work out.
If you're interested in Wave energy though, look into oscillating water columns. They very well might be the best candidate.
@@zakhawthorne8442 They are interesting also. For some areas they may be great. In the US we have room for solar which is getting pretty hard to beat from a pricing perspective.
Hope the use it for good not evil
Very cool 😎,
but i keep thinking about the hydroelectric plant that is the prison in the TV show Andor ( Star Wars ) Disney
This material stimulates thoughtful reflection. A book I read with related ideas sparked growth in my outlook. "AWS Unleashed: Mastering Amazon Web Services for Software Engineers" by Harrison Quill
Can you imagine needing 1 of these for every home(best case 1 for every 5 homes :)? Talk about sea level rise with the water displacement....smh Just think about the amount of maintenance needed to keep the barnacles off the piston. What a joke!
Interesting device but energy saving? How much energy is needed for the whole infrastructure of this industry? Imo, the only type of energy with positive gain output is fusion.
Fusion is not used at all for electricity. The complexity is huge and the cost is a complete unknown! This is simple.
LET ELON MUSK & TESLA deal with energy issues on earth! Not replica companies of the industries that have NEVER IMAGINED solving problems rather than monetizing the problems!!!
Why do companies such as Apple, and Tesla claim to be green whist being against the right to repair?
Competition stimulates growth and innovation. Rule #1 in business
The way Elon is running Twitter, I wouldn’t trust any company he touches in the future. He’s clearly unhinged!
@@ckcnj9175 you are correct. It was reported by a Twitter release that bankruptcy is on the table. What did Musk do with all the multi-millions the Saudis gave home to close his Twitter purchase.
? hunh? Tesla is a car company. Hundreds of companies now more about energy production than they do!