The Four Things Everybody Should Know About Miter Saw Dust Collection!!!
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I am a pretty heavy-duty hobbyist, detail-oriented, and I really enjoy doing homework before making a purchase. I have watched at least 30-40 videos (plus googling, etc.) and your video is DEAD ON with what I have learned, eg larger 2.5” hose, more hp (if your electrical service allows you to take advantage of it), better connectors and filters, tape to extend boot, etc. Your one video will replace TONS of research others might do on this topic. Very well done - topic content, delivery, concise. I am a new follower!
Thanks Keith🍻
You NEED a bag in the vacuum. All shop vacs, including the Rigid vacuums, have optional bags. You don't need a blue filter. But you need a filter bag. You can re-use the filter bag by carefully cutting it open with scissors, empty it out (while wearing a respirator outdoors) then tape it back up with duct tape, and the tape holds just fine, and doesn't leak at all. The difference between a bag, and no bag, is 50% more suction with the bag in. The suction never goes down, AT ALL with a filter bag, and the filter never gets clogged ever. Combining a blue HEPA filter with the filter bag, would be the ideal solution. (If you don't have a cyclone separator). You don't need a cyclone if you can just afford to use the filter bags.
Agreed, this was so helpful!
Changing to using bags was the best improvement I’ve done. My filter was always clogged reducing suck and cleaning the filter made more dust than the job. I also added the separator so I didn’t use as many bags. But I use short bigger hoses than the one that came with the shop vac. It’s still smallish and portable. 2 years ago I bought the Bosch axial glide. No DIY fixes helped much because the OEM shute doesn’t move with the saw and was too far back. Adding the Shop Nation upgrade made a huge improvement. This setup gets almost all the fine stuff. Only small amount of larger chips that can bounce out now escape.
Yes that’s a great solution for axial glide! I remember using my friends for a video and thinking who in the hell designed this dust collection.
I did the same thing, and while the bags for mine where I live are CAD $10 each which makes my cheap bastard soul flinch a little, the filters are a lot more expensive. I was replacing the filter every third time I emptied the tank before; now I've gone through several bags and the filter is barely discoloured.
Overall, it still beats a $1200 HEPA dust extractor, so my soul feels a little better. 😂
The shop vac bags are the way to go. Keeps everything so clean.
I agree.
This is one of the most comprehensive and practical video I’ve seen on the subject! And I’ve seen quite a few!
Hope you heal up fully soon. Just found your channel and have gone through some of your back catalog being under the weather myself today. As a multi-decade Trim and Remodeling/ Restoration carpenter I see we're mostly on the same page. You're for real, not some perfectionist who tells you that you ain't spit unless you buy the latest greatest expensive tools they recommend, nor some clown who recommends patches as fixes which TH-cam is full of. So you just gained a subscriber and I'm going to recommend you to friends and associates. ATB to you!
Thanks buddy always nice to hear from a fellow chippie 🍻
@@TheFunnyCarpenter Chippie... I always tell people that a Carpenter's job is mainly to create sawdust. The things we create in the process are just a nice side-effect 🤣
Get well soon brother ! I did all my doors and trim doors perfectly thanks to you ! A big thanks ! By the way if you have a tip to hide the nail holes when you are not painting, that would be great. I already bought several wood fillers in order to mix them and match the color of the wood as much as I can... Let's cross the fingers
Thanks buddy, glad to hear the job turned out nice! Are we talking wood trims? Best bet is to test out a few option and see how they dry. There’s always those stain pens with finish you can get at the Home Depot- those can help with the blending.
@@TheFunnyCarpenter you are the one ! I'm gonna try to be better than my kids with their drawings.... I know... It's not that hard 🤣
Timbermate makes an awesome line of colored- dry hard- wood fillers
Maybe one day I'll get to worry about air quality. Right now all my table saw and miter saw cuts are made in my driveway. 😂
Always a good option… that way you always have the sun getting in your eyes as an excuse🍻😂
@@TheFunnyCarpenter Not likely in Ohio! LOL
@@sociopathmercenaryalmost 100% of mine, as well. I'm in Cleveland.
Sometimes I have to wait until another day due to weather, but for a DIY'er it's really not that big of a deal. I always have something else that needs done, anyway.
At the very least I open up the garage door & angle the dust outside. I'm not ever doing 100 cuts, though. If I do a dozen it's noteworthy.
The cost and difficulty of dust collection is enormous. You have to engineer your entire shop to have proper dust mitigation. It is easier for most people to just go outside, and sweep up when they are done. There appears to be an infinite complexity to dust control, where you can spend the rest of your life designed cyclone separators, and hose systems and ductwork. I am jealous of people who have devoted years and years of time to their dust collection system, because it's not exactly easy getting all your major tools setup with full dust collection.
He said crippled old man 🤣😂, welcome to the club!!!
Bought a Hitachi (now Metabo HPT) sliding miter saw a few years ago, which has a larger dust port. A two inch hose cuff from a 6 HP Ridgid HD1400 fits perfectly. I use both a filter bag and the blue fine particle filter. This setup captures a lot more dust and chips than the earlier setup - an OLD non-sliding miter saw with 1.5” port and an OLD shopvac with 1 1/4” hose. However, dust still goes EVERYWHERE. I much prefer to work with the doors open and a fan blowing.
Last year I also came into possession of my father’s old Craftsman radial arm saw, and a 2HP HF dust collector.
Currently working on installation of the DC. Plan to install the miter saw and RAS side by side, with cabinets to right and left - essentially a “miter station”.
Fisher’s Shop published a video on TH-cam in which he built what is essentially an auxiliary fence with dust collection, which appeared to work quite well, and has been copied by a number of others, with good results, so I plan to try that.
There are also a few videos showing how to build better dust collection for the RAS. These are essentially very similar, ie, a box (with a dust port) at the fence captures the vast majority of dust particles and chips coming off the blade. Again this approach seems to work very well.
In both cases, this approach has one limitation - it works for 90 degree cuts. For each miter and bevel, a different “box” would be needed, something most of us will not bother with. However, if I was making a LOT of cuts at the same angle, it might be worth it, similar to swapping the zero clearance insert.
Enjoyed your video. Thank-you! Good luck with the injury.
Noticing the increased production quality on your videos but still the same practical content. Awesome!
Thanks buddy I appreciate you noticing🍻
@@TheFunnyCarpenter Yeh that shot with you sitting next to the saw (after the injury!) was very nicely setup, you can really see the effort that went into getting focus looking lovely there. (Also helps having a nice lens, eh?) Somehow very sharp, but also creamy smooth.
I started using my shop vac on site when trimming homes. It makes a HUGE difference in how I feel at the end of the day from not breathing in sawdust.
Double end Rubber plumbing connection adapters With ring clamps can really help adapting to those miter saw dust outlets (and others)
You talking furnco or something else?
Using duct tape for the dust shroud is a great idea! I'm going to have to try that.
FYI... The dust port on the back of the mitre saw is Dewalt's AirLock system. If you want a perfect fit, go buy the DWV9000 Universal Adapter and screw it on to any 1-1/4 inch hose.
Nice video. I can understand the Achilles thing. I’m a runner and ultra endurance bicycle guy and have had three Achilles surgeries during the last six years. The first surgery included four anchors to reattach my achilles. I started running again and pulled two of the anchors out twelve months later. 🤦🏽♂️ Yep, a boned headed move. Wait for it. 🙅🏾♂️ I rode my bicycle 7,000 miles in 2022 and had surgery #3 in December of 2022. At least that one was only to clean up scar tissue. I learned the hard way to be very very very careful. My woodshop is a safe haven these days with my three dust collection systems. (Oh yeah, I’m an asthmatic too).
Ouch!!!
Thank you for sharing. I'm getting ready to set up my first garage shop and I've been thinking about solving the dust collection problem for my DeWALT miter saw.
I use the same exact setup with my miter saw and table saw, cyclone w/5gal bucket for table saw only, run all ridgid tools and their vac hoses are fully compatible with their saws, love it!
I hacked a diy vortex collector together using a couple of home Depot buckets. I appreciate seeing how much it can reduce the air speed, which is something I've been concerned about. Cheers! 🍻
Such a good breakdown!
Thanks buddy, I enjoyed your videos on the subject as well🍻
There are a number of folks on Etsy and elsewhere who sell 3D-printed dust collection upgrades for most miter saws. I went with one from Travis over at the Shop Nation TH-cam channel and it works incredibly well.
From one old man to another, good job. I do about the same stuff you recommended. It’s a constant battle.
Cheers 🍻
Practical and cost-efficient advice for that saw dust generator. Thanks for making this video.
This is one of the most educational videos ever! The wind speed tests are so eye opening. I have a kind suggestion. For future videos could you rate all your tools based on "Amps" of the motor? Amps are an appropriate and important measurement, because some people don't even have enough power to run that 6.5 HP vacuum. The "HP" number on most modern electrical machines seem to be a random number, without any meaning. For the RIDGID 40108 vacuum, I think it has 12 Amps.
Just to add that it's probably better to measure power in Watts. On 110VAC, your 12Amp appliance is rated at 1.2kW, which would be only 5A on a 240VAC system that most of Europe uses. HP might have made sense in the steam age, but it's not much use when talking about electrically powered machinery.(edit to add, unless you can do the conversion from HP to W - 746W to be precise). That said, you're right about HP on electrical appliances being a seeming random number - 6.5HP is getting on for 5kW it would draw almost 50A at 110VAC - that's more than my dediacted 240vAC cooker outlet can handle!)
Regarding filtration, a tip I have seen is to use a pool filter mesh bag over the paper filter. It probably doesn't reduce the particulate emissions, but it stops your paper filter from clogging with fine dust, is easier to clean, and cheaper to throw away, extending the life of your more expensive paper filter.
Wow, love the comprehensive analysis backed up by data. Great content, new subscriber
'I tore my achilles playing basketball with my son'... every aging fathers worst fear! Hope for a good recovery. This video is super helpful. I really need to be less lazy and just hook up the damn vacuum.
Great tips, tricks and advice. Stuff that really works and matters.
Wow this is a very helpful video. I will be changing my dust collection setup, I’m guilty of jamming a small hose into the saw and using my cyclone setup. Thank you for the very informative and helpful content.
Thanks for a very thorough video, brilliantly explained. I particularly liked the illustration of the difference between internal and external hose connection - it was actually quite shocking.
Great tips. Sorry to hear about your injury, hope you heal quickly. Thanks for the upload.
Great video. One thing I have found as well is that the bags slightly decrease suction as well. But they are so worth the loss you take in my opinion. And these dust issues happen with every saw! I couldn’t believe how little if any, that my dust collection improved after upgrading to a Kapex.
I had a 50' hose for a pool vacuum and build a little dust vortex collector as a prefilter. I found that automotive vacuum / intake rubber connectors are cheap compared to shop vac specific branded ones and made it really easy to do non reducing connections on all of my tools. The pre filter actually has the additional benefit of being able to easily disengage the shop vac from the system. Otherwise I put a pool skimmer sock on the shop vac filter and it seems like I keep the dust down in my garage shop.
I love the idea of the air quality meter. I'm buying one for sure. Also, fantastic information and a super high quality video. Hope you heal up fast!
Thanks Travis, I got a good laugh from your Inspector vid, that was pretty funny!
@@TheFunnyCarpenter I appreciate that!
Thank you. I hope your injury heals soon
Old man cant jump, my favorite film. Great information 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Maybe in a couple years🥹
Thanks for the video, useful to know about the DD not being appropriate for all tools.
Wishing you a speed recovery from the Achilles. Strained my hips last year and then needed 6-8 weeks of rest, after not resting them properly for a month after injury. Longest recovery I've ever had and sarcopenia is no joke when you're laid up for weeks.
Very helpful!
Hope you’re back on both feet soon!
I do tinker with the miter saw dust collection. My favourite method on an xgt that has 2 dust collection points is to run a vacuum to each port. It really does wonders.
Check your vacuum bags occasionally when using them to make sure they don’t fall off when you’re moving it around, especially as the bag begins to get full. Also, I put some packing tape or duct tape on the side of the bag that faces the filter where the inlet comes in from the hose to prevent rapid erosion.
As always, things I didn’t know I needed to know!! 👍🏼🙂
What a fantastic video. To the point. Good tests that I can understand and believe. Top notch.
As always - great needed content with healthy amount of jokes, but without bs and subscription.
I mean, with a subscription, but it's kinda my choice to do.
Thank you.
PS: Converted to 230 and Dynapatch myself and propheting all my fellows. Thank you again
Thanks buddy I appreciate the support, glad you've found some of the tips usefull
What a great video, great tips well explained. A lot of TH-camrs can take a leaf out of your book.
So good and so needed. I think wood workers are notoriously bad at understanding the health issues from dust inhalation ( I’m certainly not good either!). Thank you, I didn’t get all the numbers and I don’t have a mitre saw, but just ordered my new Dewalt table saw….. any other tips on that would be great. Get super healthy and we’ll soon!
Showing up with real numbers. Thank you! Great video.
Great vid 👍
I use a cloth filter over top of the pleated filter to catch finer dust particles, don't know how much CFM I lose though, if any.
Welcome back my friend!
🇦🇺 Hello. Sorry to hear about your injury. Thamks for the great information.
Thanks Maria, I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
Thank you! Really helpful.
Well analyzed, sir! Thank you!
Thanks for watching🍻
Thanks for the video! I hope your leg gets better soon
Thanks buddy, thanks for checking out the vid🍻
Another gold nugget here, many thanks!
A small note about quoted vacuum hp ratings. A standard wall outlet in the USA provides 15 amps of current. 15 amps x 110 volts = 1650 watts. Being that there are 745 watts in 1 horsepower, 1650 watts = 2.2 horsepower. With that said, any vacuum quoting a hp rating above 2.5hp (2.2hp) that comes with a standard plug is automatically lying.
Wow, you remind me of me. I crushed my heel and just had surgery on it. I'm walking around in a boot just like you. So I too am now just a crippled old man hobbling around the shop
Always enjoy your videos. Get well soon!
Thank you! Will do!
Nice video, nice to see how much of a difference all this stuff actually makes.
I'm just looking into setting up a little garage workshop. I've been using a shop vac with my saws on site when possible for awhile though.
I find plumbing fernco's work well for getting the larger hose to work with the tools (I have the 716 as well).
I've been looking into dust collectors as well- any experience with these? One benefit seems to be less noise and also less amperage than a big shop vac, which could be a plus in a rented shop space with limited electrical capacity. The cheaper ones seem to be a couple hundred bucks.
Thank you! I will be implementing all your tips.
Sorry to hear about you leg. Feel better.
Thanks buddy🍻
Outstanding analysis, nice work!
Thank you kindly!
I'll definitely need to mod the dust collector of my dewalt saw. The 6.5 hp rigid vacuum sucks the chute flaps in and closes it off. It's too powerful even with the dust separator. But man do I like how clean the separator keeps the filter
Might be worth mentioning auto-start amperage when you connect a vacuum to a high-powered drop saw. I’ve been in discussions with Makita Australia that say some of the smaller vacs simply can’t handle the load.
Very good information! Thank you for sharing! I'm going to buy a vacuum bag.
Thanks for watching 🍻
nice work. And I concur. Gold dust all around.
Just found your channel. Very well done. Great information.
Very informative and important information!
This is awesome! Thanks for the detailed analysis!
Before you are able to weight bear (sooner than later I hope), please get an orthotic made to equalize your left foot to the height of the walking cast (or whatever that plastic cast is called) or you may find that your hips etc. will suffer due to the different height of both feet. Good article on dust by the way! Good Luck!
Great information. HP isn't necessarily the best way to determine the "best" shop vac. There are some comparisons of major brands to look at. Regardless of the brand, the shorter the hose the better.
Hope your leg gets better soon Mr Funny Carpenter. I have forgotten your name but been watching your channel since 2020. Please forgive my forgetfulness
This is a good video, people should think about their lungs more (sheet rockers and welders looking your way).
“I’m trying to sound smarter than I actually am.” You and pretty much everyone else.
My air quality is phenomenal. I just watch people using miter saws on TH-cam.
I use a dust deput with a hepa bag without the cartridge filter. It does awesome. The bag never fills up.
Interesting math on the Dust Deputy! Great Video! Sorry to see you in a boot! Get well soon!
Thanks Buddy🍻
What a fantastic video! Thank you
This was great!! Thanks !
I’m considering a dust shroud, either making my own or amazon! I imagine. They would work the the best in keeping dust contained. Did you consider this option?
Great vid as usual; do you prefer an auto switch for the vacuum or manual?
An auto switch is the only way to go!
I wonder if the Festool 36mm hose will fit on the outside? Generally speaking, if the 27mm fits an internal connection the 36mm fits the outside.
lol the bigger hose likely won’t fit without some type of tom foolery.
Thanks!
Thank you very much🍻
Excellent video.
I use a fernco coupling for the hose connection. Leaves the duck tape in the dust...so to speak.
Also, use a shorter length of hose which will reduce restriction and increase air flow.,
Do you attach the vacuum bag to the outside exhaust port or do you fit it inside the shop vac?
Great video!
BTW... The RT1600 is listed at only 139 CFM on Ridgid's website, while the HD1600 is 161 CFM and seems more readily available at my local HD. I'm seriously considering getting one after watching this video.
I was definitely not expecting that big of a difference in the air quality. I’ve been using the small 5hp rigid for years.
May i make a suggestion, please put a false raised heal on the opposite shoe. When you walk in moon boot without raising the other shoe you will be putting a twist on your lower spine/hip area, which will come back to bit you. I broke my Achilles at 66, now in my 70's, suffered with much pain ever since. Interesting that medical people don't explain this to us.
Yur purdie smart. Smarter den me which is why I watch.
Good vid!
Did you upgrade your camera or lighting? This video looks really good
Thanks for noticing! Same camera but I am learning how to light things better:)
@@TheFunnyCarpenter The trick is to be careful where you point the shadows, but I guess you already know that.
Great information 👍
Thanks John🍻
What was the weight loss after the 100 cuts? I’m curious about the efficiency.
I wonder about the affect of hose length on suction
The difference between 5’ and 10’ hoses is very minimal.
What's your advice about purchasing a miter saw for my new position
Great vid. Much appreciated.
Bags are way better. I use stock white filter for 3 years now with a bag and get 100% suction and still have a clean filter. Bags are $33 for 10 and amazing.
Great info👌
I’d love to know how much my Kapex with CTM MIDI collects.
I put a hose on my shop vac exhaust and vented it outside. The big stuff is in the vacuum and all that fine dust is outside. And blows into my neighbor's yard, Fisher's Shop. He hasn't caught on yet.
Beauty😂
What the difference between red and orange shop vac of similar model?
👍👍👍. Thank you
Thanks for watching buddy🍻
All of my power tools are connected to vacuums and the big dust collection systems as well as an air cleaner with 3 speeds and a timer
Cool your 10% of the way there. Watch the video for the other 90% !
@walnutcontractors5661 and bigger saw dust collection systems and air cleaners which also run wh
Festool came out with a reusable bag for their dust extractor.
Very nice🍻
Good luck with the rehab