'HE HAD HIS VICTIMS UNDER SURVEILLANCE,' REAL MINDHUNTER SAYS OF UNIV. OF IDAHO KILLER - TIR
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- In the Highlight reel of Renown Mindhunter, Dr. Ann Burgess she offers her professional opinion of the Univ. of Idaho killings, including that the murderer had the victims under surveillance, that he's possibly killed animals before, and that he will likely kill it again.
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Thanks Chris! I watched the whole video, it was very good, great panel!🙋
Thank you! I didn’t see this before commenting. You guys all do great work. I’m a huge fan.
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Tools that work in a variety of ways are often thought of as superior to single-use tools. Women gave us the "tool" that it was a red flag if a man paid for a women's dinner on a date and then felt entitled to something physical from her. Such a man is indeed a potential drapist; yes, him feeling entitled to even a kiss after paying for her meal shows he just might be a struggler/snuggler.
But can this lesson we learned be applied to other cases, for instance can it help us with these Idaho stabbings? I think it can. And it's all about entitlement.
Who felt entitled to look in the windows of 1122 King Road? Who felt like it was cool to destroy the property of an adult who had purchased adult beverages? Who showed up for a noise complaint, achieved silence within three minutes of their arrival, but then stuck around and threatened and threatened and threatened? Who talked about these college kids using language that showed how jealous they were of their lifestyle?
We have a lot of evidence of jealousy and entitlement. And it's all on the bodycam footage, both on September 1st, 2022 and the night of the murders.
Thank you for replaying this segment featuring Ann Burgess!
Dr. Burgess gives nothing less than a master class in crime scene investigation.
She was RIGHT ON! Amazing work! He ran at night and most likely watched them prior.. he was a previous drug user. There is more to come as we find out more… I for one cannot wait-love this show!
Thank you for your integrity & your channel.
I love listening to all you folks. With all your intelligence and experience, I wouldn't doubt a bit that you all can solve this crime. I wish you had all of the evidence they have.
Yay! This is what I was hoping to see. Dr. Burgess is amazing.
I was so excited for this,best channel on here imo 👏
Such a great team, I have listened to the podcast over
and over again.
I just came to your channel to look up these books from your previous guests and here they are! Thanks for putting my holiday travel reading list right at my finger tips.
This is the best information I've seen on the web yet‼️💯
I agree!
Love these clips! Thank You.
Her analysis is so provocative I had to rewatch this highlight
I totally binch watched MINDHUNTER Wow!!! Amazing to see Ann Burgess in real life ❤️
Yes, I believe he was watching from the trees behind the house. He could have been doing this for some time as his fantasies and nefarious urges were steeping in his mind.
Just a note. On November 13th the moon was wanning gibbons with approximately 77% illumination so its possible it played a part in the light levels. I don't know what kind of cloud cover there was that night. Also, many people have a lot of electronics in their bedrooms which could have provided some light. The perpetrator could have stood silently in the dark upon entering the house to adjust to light levels. Just thoughts. BTW I watched this entire discussion and it was fantastic. So much good information from professionals speculating on a minute amount of information. I love that y'all are going back and pulling out significant points to bring to our attention.. Thank you
If the perp has been sitting in the unlit tree line behind the house watching then he probably wouldn't need to wait until his eyes adjusted to low light levels when he entered the house.
OMGOD, absolutely loved Mindhunter. It’s the best of Netflix bar none.
Merry Christmas Chris and guests. Celebrating Boxing Day here in Ontario, Canada.
Very interesting. I heard things I missed the 1st time! Great panel.
Great panel with years of experience. I hope the victims families get answers soon 🙏🏻😢
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This " fixed blade knife," was and is, especially now his prized possession 😭
Ann is FANTASTIC ❤❤❤❤❤ I hope to be even a quarter of what she is as an octogenarian. Thank you Chris and Karen and merry Christmas 🎄 ❤
Thanks Chris and cold case team, powerful serving of detailed insights and meaty information, I had the pleasure of watching the interview on big screen TV, on my second view, I'm watching again, going to absorb as much information and understanding as I can, you guys are amazing at your craft and once again thankyou for sharing the wealth of your insights, training and skill with us, also all the more better communicated by the quality of you guys character, my thoughts search for a possible perpetrator, but, not knowing what le knows, I would not want to bring further suffering to victims by mentioning names, soo I'm practicing listening, it's hard, lol, with love and blessings to you all
Merry Christmas 🎅🤶🎄 and a happy New year to u and yours ❤️💯
Ann is a legend!!!
Awesome panel!
Verrrryyyyy interesting! I wish Netflix would bring that show back!
Mindhunter is a great show and I wish it was continued.
I agree!
I've worked for Chefs in the past. They are obsessed with their knives. They don't let anyone use them. They will take them to and from their work everyday. They take pride in them and protect them.
Good knives are expensive. I'm not a chef but I've got some knives that were expensive when I bought them or when they were given to me many years ago. It would be a big bite in the finances to have to replace one. Check out Wusthof, for example, see the price of regular consumer knives and figure the ones chefs use probably cost way, way more.
Merry Christmas a little late ❤️ l love the book by John Douglas.. great read so captivating..ty Chris and Mrs Donohugh. Happy New Year 🎉✨
I understand surveillance, but I heard Kaylee came by to show off her new vehicle, and her room was packed up, so she stayed in Maddies room. He may have known the layout of the house from parties, or seen the house online. But, didn't he have to have the most latest info on Kaylee that she was there for the weekend and was in Maddies room? Plus, could he have been waiting in one of the vacant rooms? Thanks for all of the work and great folks involved on your channel for this case. Everyone is doing an outstanding job. Merry Christmas and Happy New Years.
Kemper was a good example used by DR Ann Burgess. I think many are over-focusing on the entry and exit of the home. It was virtually an open house. I am from an area near Moscow. Small communities have a more relaxed attitude about leaving their doors unlocked. I think the roommates were more concerned about locking their bedrooms. If I were he, I would have entered and exited where it is the darkest and least observable spot. He had to have been suited up over clothes and shoes. It was a well-planned blitz attack. I don't think Xana or Ethan were his targets but one of them saw him when he arrived on the second floor. Based on that, the attack on the couple was more frenzied. Keep in mind these people were sleeping and had been drinking. Even if a person is sober and sleepy while being attacked, they won't be alert enough yet to fully comprehend what is going on. With this house's open-door policy it would be easy for anyone to survey the territory, plan it out and wait for the best opportunity to attack. I kinda a guess the missing, Ethan, and Xana, five hours was spent in Ethan's room at his place and they decided to go back to her room for more privacy. The guy is local and probably a loner who is a little off but no one is concerned about him. He is a laborer, probably hunts, and has butchering skills via farm or ranch work. He is probably scared shitless at this point and is laying low but trying not to be obvious about it. I think he may have skinned that dog in September as a precursor. He really planned this. He could have ordered a lot of what he needed online to avoid being detected in the region when buying his kill kit.
I have always had the gut feeling it was someone VERY close by ...within a house or two....with eyes on the students house. Someone they may not have even been aware of but who may have been able to get a closer look at their place as in walking a dog or likewise...Its a gut feeling I can't shake.
Yeah the creepy neighbors
@@Dea8769 one in particular 🙄
Maybe he or they saw that Kaylee was in town
If she did have a stalker he'd be aware that she was in town
Probably someone not in their inner circle but, wanted to be??
It's all horrific! Keep praying each day for answers for the families 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Thank you for sharing your content. Sending virtual Granny hug's and prayers to you and your loved ones 💖
Outstanding sir
I have read all John Douglas' books so now I need to read the Professor's book too!
WOW Dr. Ann Burgess says that the suspect is most likely 'very bright' and it has already been reported on that the now suspect in custody is actually very intelligent and likes to flaunt his intelligence.
We’re missing you! Happy New Yesr. 🥳🎊
12/30/22. Arrested today in PA.
No profiler mention of any education of crime scene/criminology...BCK does have his Bachelor's degree and Master's in criminology, heading for Ph.D. Jaw-dropping case!
Love your videos! Most informative and educated panel online. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
I love your scroll re your mods. Classy!
I think with the downstairs floor, he didn’t know them as well, and they also had a very easy escape route (front door or ground windows) and would be heard from the street if any noise was made. Too risky.
I agree with Dr. Ann. It was a Male and one person.
Likely two.
Finally Dr. Burgess gets to speak uninterrupted. I am so interested to hear everything she has to bring to the table. She's not the amateur of the group but the pioneer of the tool I feel is invaluable to law enforcement that is criminal profiling. Ed Kemper EERRRRR! NIGHTMARES.
Right with ya
Who is Ed Kemper
I don't understand the comment. Where did you previously feel she was "interrupted" or made to seem like the "amateur of the group?"
I wish ‘Mindhunter‘ was still on
I believe it was someone they knew, someone that knew the layout of the house. I think they where being watched and it was planned.
I would love to see these same experts in another video talking about the now suspect in custody.
Hard to imagine for someone to do it without being inside earlier
@pippisMom Agreed, with yah on that👌😁
I could talk to Ann all day long! Love her. Great panel all the way through.
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With all the commotion and people with cameras and cell phones everywhere...where were the pics of the ambulances fire department mass casualty responders mass LE response CDC Hazmat clean up coroner's vehicles this would have been all over the airwaves Something VERY Hinkey about the response to this
Top profiler .
Her book is well worth reading
Check out Pat Brown
▶▶@Chris, or Miss Karen, Question:
You think hes watching your Lives in chats? I thought ( what do I know ) hahaha! that he was back a few weeks ago! You got this Nailed down with the Pictures of the Crime scene which Dr. Ann Burgess stated was important! Great Work Mcduffy & Miss Karen! Ty so much.◀◀
I think the perpetrator is getting his jollies by watching all of the conversations. Totally reliving the crimes. It's possible this was a one time thing for him. It's also possible that the absolute power trip he's getting from all this publicity and public interest pushes him into a serial pattern. Or, he was a Serial already. Everything on our part is pure speculation but some things make sense.
So many scary things out there I wasn’t aware of. Creepy.
Ikr . Scary AF if you live alone .... Lol
There 8mnths before this tragedy theres police body cam footage an pics of young girl there that had just moved Into a home between the victims home an kaylees bfs place that had her car gone through an whoever did it had taken her panties and put them n her cup holder then took things through out her car an put into her suitcase an threw it n the road and her fuse box cover inside her car had been popped off... theres someone creepy there!!! Person left a footprint she had accidentally sat on it trying to check an make sure she still had brakes. Police got photos of the foot print to.
She also said pointing towards kaylees walk way between saying to the officer before this she had just arrived an as she was bout to head in she said she heard someone that direction enough it creeped her out and made her go inside quickly to later go to get her t.v. an pillows and her roommate said hey is this ur suitcase it was n the road an she went out to see an found her car that way and her panties in her cup holder now if that's not a creeper idk what is.... that area should of been watched till someone was caught I feel like so much such lil time such small area is scary to think who's safe? Police said it's like a fish bowl and said probably why she heard something like that... idk scared her enough she wanted to say it an repeated it and I'd be so scared my panties like that I'd be calling my daddy come protect me while I sleep if all that was done was a report just to sleep an try to get my education this is where nothing but pretty young college girls are first sign of a creep should of caused extra protrollin n the specific area this person had to of known he could an have the time to do it if not wouldnt of felt like they could get away with it a fall through with what they did like they did an now theres 4 kids gone brutally taken.... things gotta start being taken more serious!!!
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Sounds like chef dizzy. He even says he is an introvert yet, he considered crashing the party...
I wonder if this evil person filmed what he did that night .
You can easily check the moon with Google. The Moon phase for November 13th, 2022 is a Waning Gibbous phase. This is the first phase after the Full Moon where the illumination of the moon decreases each day until it reaches 50% (the Last Quarter phase).Nov 13, 2022 There would have been a good amount of moon light if blinds or curtains were open. I don't know why so many of these type of discussions were going on and on about the dark without checking this.
Because people don't think before they open their mouths.
i think same as her. if he gets away with this game is on cause hes going to feel invincible.
and of course she was correct about the social media. Anyone who has a daughter has nightmares about that.
Bless you all💕
YAAAAY!!! Looks like they got the s.o.b.!!!!!
its also interesting Dr. Ann Burgess mentions she believes the person has killed animals before @8:24 (which is very common in killers) because wasnt a neighbors dog found in the area to have been killed and skinned a few weeks or a month before these killings?
It looked like the computer monitor was on, which would've given off quite alot of light
Good point, most probably all thru the house too, TV, microwave, clock on oven, not that he went in the kitchen or not, there was a good vibe light too
@@barbbeulah7139 - if the perp had been watching from the unlit tree line behind the house for even a relatively short time period of time prior to initiating the attack his eyes would have adjusted to the low light levels. And as you say low level ambient light from various sources in the house may have been enough to allow them sufficient visibility to carry out the attack.
Don't monitors have a sleep mode? That would mean the computer had just been used.
I guess a movie could have been playing. It would give a lot of light.
P.S. where did you see this?
Could he have worn a paper forensic suit then removed it before leaving?
Yes.
This my theory too. Some kind of one piece body covering, like a body suit or even coveralls, as well as foot and head covering. He could have brought a backpack and left it outside so he could strip off the coverings and put them in the backpack along with the knife(maybe not if kept as a prize and an extension of his malehood) and then grown away in the storm drains on the street orin any one of the many dumpsters all over town, away from the crime scene.
Easy score if it's J Showalter. 2 parents that are Drs one a orthopedic surgeon access to any kind of surgical tools etc but he probably used his prized hunting knife my opinion
Chris, 😊it was a 3/4 moon that night
I also heard when looking at a crimes scene don’t forget to look up .just wondering could something be by or in the trees or by the trees ,the roof or patio by the siding doors or rooms outside ?
Chris, would you know if there were blinds or curtains in any of the windows. Were people living in the house visible from the street or other houses and buildings? Just curious about this, but I had heard online that there were no coverings on the windows? The young man who lived in the student building next door mentioned in an interview that when he would walk his dog at night by the house, he could see people partying in the house. This might not have anything to do with the case but if the girls were watched at any time might come into play.
I think it was Maddy's room on the 3rd floor that, from shots taken from the adjacent parking lot, had no window covering at all. A "peeper" from that location would have had a near perfect view of the inside of the room. How about cell pings or WiFi hits from there while he was building his fantasy?
@@markhumble3423 I didn't know that.
The bottom floor had curtains
@@janbernard1760 Yeah, one of the early youtubes was of a long, complete drive through of the street area around the house. The corner of the adjacent parking lot beside the apartment building offers a perfect view down into the back of the house with only a thin wooded line separating. Later, someone took a night photo from that location and there was an unobstructed view directly inside what I think must have been Maddy's room. I was startled at the absence of blinds or curtains.
@@markhumble3423 someone also mentioned with cameras on phones, zoom in and out, it's enhanced voyeurism
I’ve agree with her but I believe the other home invasion stabbings in that region are related. There will be another if they don’t catch him.
So interesting,they were an amazing panel. A real honour to listen to them all.😊
A loner who has been fantasising for months. Sexually frustrated? Possibly a virgin. Incel?
Watching from close up.
Quickly escaped on foot.
Comfortable with knives either for a hobby or work. Kills animals.
A loner who longs to be included but has pet’s for companionship? Possibly a cat because theres an anger towards dogs.
Angry. Anger been mounting.
May fantasise about doing something similar and may be plotting his next plan.
He possibly plans a vehicle to sleep in and travel far from the scene until media loosens intensity ?
The crime scene was trampled by LE who were not wearing suits.
What makes you think he hates dogs?
Very interesting theory 🤔
What anger towards dogs? This based on the dog that was killed several miles away weeks before the quadruple murders? Why didn't he kill the dog at the house?
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A dog was found murdered and skinned/filleted
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Perhaps because he was a man on a mission to kill his human targets? I don’t know 🤷♀️
Possibly the dog was on the ground floor in a room away from the victims on the upper floors?
Ohh hell. I got to help. Window brought In light. Many Christmas type lights in house. Computer lights. Anyway .house far from pitch black.
I have added lots of info but it’s not taking my posts?
I had inquired long time ago if Suspect could have been viewing food truck video live . Video streaming system shows people have to login is there a login record dud police access this live stream the night of and days weeks before
👍👍 yes 💯 agree!! The police need to look into that info!
The moon was barely starting to wane, almost full. lots of light thru maddie's window. Darkness is not a factor here. Even if she turned off the lights in her room lots would have been available to someone prepared and let himself adjust to the night
My guess is the guy parked within 5min walking distance, and he walked over and approached the house by using the woods behind the house, their are decent side woods right around the back of the house.. it seemed remote, but i dont know how remote it is without seeing more videos and photos.
🇨🇦light? What about a camping headlamp on the red light setting?
I just read they got him today ?
Sounds like you guys are a group of professionals.
I would like to hear you comment about David Loach and Berri.
Apparently a lot of the kids think David Loach and Ethan were in an ongoing argument including Xana and Madison… and that Kaylee was unfortunately in the wrong place at the wrong time.
In the dark? Yeah turning a light on to kill someone may wake them up lol
You missed the point Jules.
@@juleshiggins-ellicott2222 no, no I really didn’t lol.
You mean a real clown, a coward. JUSTICE FOR IDAHO 4 GODSPEED.
Dear GOD please help .
🙏🙏🙏 Agreed
Ed Kemper was from my hometown of Santa Cruz, CA and as a kid I had no idea there was this monster killing young women and then his own mother just blocks away from where I grew up. Back in the 70s we had little supervision and stayed up late playing on the beach and believed we were all so safe. I heard that Kemper is a giant of a guy like close to 7 feet tall and hung out in the same bar with all the cops in town. Maybe keep an eye out for someone hanging out around cops in Moscow?
so scary.
thank you.
all chest wounds seems methodical even tactical to me
Or just practical
I wonder if it someone from the Rd behind the house, coming out of King and left onto Taylor and left again. Was he sick of their noise, their partying and an older pervert. Thinking out loud, thank you, Dr Ann is amazing, thank you.
This is revenge or payback for disrespecting a person or entity.
Seems a professional job.
Group effort to pull this killing off and well planned, I would determine. Males/Females or both. A group that they knew and trusted to come to the house previously.
Love this Detective! He's real deal, I was undercover Dea awhile back and he is very wise! I said right from the beginning they were not killed random! But 1 was a target, others are
Collateral damage! Something spooked him before the guy an other girl..the woods are most important! Maybe the beat cop and kids drinking ran him off!! It's one guy! They not said about prints!
Chris! TIR Team! Would be great if you could get a knife expert on. Or someone who not only knows knives but knives and homicide.
Earlier they were saying Ka-Bar knife, Rambo knife, "fixed blade knife". Now everyone has shut up about knives.
I, and many others, have various kitchen knives and know quite a bit about those. I doubt someone would attempt to use a chef's knife to inflict mayhem upon a person unless they were crazy. Got a little pocket knife. But know next to zilch about Ka-Bar knives etc. I don't think many of us do.
Headlamp can be used, infrared goggles like the army can be used, why so focused on moon or telling it’s too dark etc
in dark clothes he sat in those woods probably many nights just watching.
there really is not much to those woods. you could see someone in there from the parking lot or from cars passing the road, and the backyard of the neighbors next to them and the one atop the road behind the house. It's possible someone went in there looking in, but quite risky being seen. Not something I would want to do too often
I agree
That would not surprise me , it also looks like you could park a car on that upper side road and may still be able to see in their window.
Disagree. Very thin woods. People were walking there dogs in that area. The dogs would have known if there was someone hiding. Would alert their owner.
agree skilled hunting takes patience
I've never seen footage of police investigating those evergreen shrubs along the side of the apartment building next to the house. Those shrubs are another possible observation point.
Could he have worn a headlamp?
your good
I doubt this was a factor but trail cams have gotten much, much cheaper and much more sophisticated. He might have used one or more to help him monitor the comings and goings of the house.
I know this only because I watch videos on strange topics that TH-cam suggests for me (the algorithm is a mystery!). The "leave food in woods and see who comes to eat it" genre videos generate loads of trail cam ads.
He could have simply sat amongst the trees and waited though. Watched and waited, planning, many nights.
I remember early on in the investigation, someone in Kaylee’s Circle mentioned that Kaylee complained about a stalker and always felt like she was being watched but couldn’t figure out from where. Now that Dr. Burgess mentioned that the girls were obviously under surveillance which makes sense why Kaylee felt like someone was watching her. She didn’t ignore her gut and just felt like something wasn’t right. Hence her complaints with stalker issue.
Could of hacked into TV, laptop or even put a cam in house. No one's answered if there's a Attic in that house
@@shannons842 There are all sort of weird cameras that can be concealed in a house.
I don’t think Kaylee and Maddie were sleeping. How could they have been, if they were just texting?
Ikr; the body cam of the police officer of girl saying stop it stop it is just few minutes after them texting and coroner places murders between 3-4am
@@gojo2194 exactly, they couldn’t have been asleep.
@@maryshellsmith6627 I know I don’t know how they really can tell if they was sleeping or not...Just being in a bed don’t always mean your asleep.. Just wonder if they can tell if they was a sleep I don’t see how they could but I don’t know.
If it was Jack D he could have just been let in before anything actually got started.
It could possibly be that they may have heard a physical altercation, fight, and screaming and yelling of Ethan and Xana and both Maddie and Kaylee got scared frantically trying to call Jack. It’s the only thing I could think of.
I believe that skinning and cutting up the dog is connected to the quadruple murders. One of the residents who has lived there for 39 years; said nothing like that has ever happened to anyone's pets. That dog was meant to be found, and the dog's death was a prelude to what was to come.
No.
There's reason to believe that no dog was ever skinned.
There's no verifiable evidence other than one woman's story.
Also, just bc the "resident" never heard of anything like that could mean nothing simply bc maybe it wasn't "news" worthy? Idk just speculating 🤔
@A Z AZ I believe you are mistaken. When the LE and Animal control saw the dog they said it was killed by a human and not another animal.
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That's what the dog's owner said, right?
Hannah's Relative, revenge?
i think they might of used a small sword , and when you say they took someone , how about someone who joins a victims social media after the fact?
To me, I think it was more that someone, a guy, was humiliated and enraged. I think he def knew them. What did M tell Adam???Evidence can point to who was first. Cross contamination of blood. I wonder if K may have heard something and walked into M’s room during the assault. So many ‘what if’s’!!!
Always, in such gruesome murders Rest in Peace Crystal Kylen Gabby all people taken horrifically due to jealousy
Why the landlord has not spoken. I find that very odd.
I don't. 1) Since the beginning every person who's been interviewed turns into social media's favorite suspect with accusations, harassment, and even threats. Whoever the landlord is they obviously (to me) don't want any of that. 2) If there were security issues with that house for which the landlord could be found legally negligent then it would be wise not to draw attention.
What could they possibly say…… I do feel like the landlord should have put their foot down about the parties and noise complaints though