The REAL Ultimate GPU Bottleneck? RTX 3070 with Mini PCIe (Pt. 2)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 พ.ค. 2024
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The final stages of the Samsung all-in-one PC's max-performance transformation. Adding an RTX 3070 to it using a Mini PCIe to PCIe adaptor.
But is it the ultimate GPU bottleneck?
Check out pt 1 of the upgrade series here: • Samsung All-In-One MAX...
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"If this adapter doesnt make me the next monarch of Croatia I will be dissapointed" greetings from Croatia
Even I was impressed.
sorry to disappoint you guys but dawid isn't becoming the next monarch.
Missed opportunity for "I for one welcome our new infinite possibility beast ruler!"
Am I now your leader?
@@DawidDoesTechStuff Pozdrav Dawid🙂
I can see that you have bought my suggested pcie adapter instead of using that previous janky setup.
Thanks Eat Soup
Isn't this the same type of adapter Linus used in the Latte panda with Titan vid?
@@Sithedd 👍
It's the same type of adapter that anyone using a notebook computer mines crypto currency with. It's a junk adapter with a bullshit purpose.
@@beaumontlivingston8084 thanks
I'm actually impressed that the proprietary bios even allowed a dedicated GPU to work.
It is impressive how plug and play it was.
I have one that works on a Dell Latitude E6540
"plays" Cyberpunk on with a Titan on the beast bridge
@@DawidDoesTechStuff Aside from the fact that you used a 30 series, It pretty impressive overall. Im guessing you would get similar performance out of a much cheaper lower spec gpu. Some people with super small pc's may be able to take advantage of this.
@@crisnmaryfam7344 Oh for sure. Something like a GTX 1050 could be a decent pairing. Maybe even something a bit slower. 👍
@@DawidDoesTechStuff I was interested in trying something the other day, it was a daisy chain I thought of; Sata to m.2 and then m.2 to pciex4... Of course you would need to run the OS from a fast form of usb. Not sure if it would work but I was bored and thought of trying it since I already have a few different sata to m.2 adapters. Sounds like a cool idea for a revisit for you tho, and costing less than $40.
If you really want a bottleneck get an ivy bridge thinkpad with an ExpressCard slot. That's 1 lane of PCIe 2.0. Basically USB 3.0 speeds.
How about a core i9 10980 XE with two voodoo 2 in SLI? I'm pretty sure I've seen motherboards with like h310 chipsests and ISA or PCI slots, just because of some industrial machine that still needs it.
@@user-le8ul4nr5t an i9 strapped to an SLI or a XFire configuration is ludacris! Especially with any of the recent GPUs. In every setup I did SLI or XFire, it's was easily beaten by a single GPU setup in nearly every situation, the games don't like to do SLI anymore, too much data throughput during processing SLOWS DOWN the output because it has to mux the output, adding extra processes that wouldn't otherwise be present in a single GPU setup.
My friend has one of those and I upgraded it for them. (to 16GB ram and 500GB ssd)
@@beaumontlivingston8084 we're trying to achieve the biggest bottleneck... Also a voodoo 2 isn't exactly a new card, SLI still made sense back when it was invented.
@@user-le8ul4nr5t Different sockets bud. That i9 is x299. I think you meant 10900k
At times i wonder how you can sleep at night, tortured hardware must be haunting your dreams...
The nightmares are what fuels my wickedness.
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The Dawid is a cruel God, but a just one.
@@Izmond Nah, he just tries to act cool... actually he's a good boy, trying to help old, disabled hardware in ways never meant to be... it's just the result that looks cruel.
All I can say is great call on that adapter. Smart people make our lives so much easier. Thank you smart people.
I guess you have a good reason for wanting Dawid to not be trouble shooting/stressing for days on end 😂
1:18 GT 710 for $9,000 lmao
It's over 9000!!!
Bargain!
😂
Probably because it's the fancy version, it has a fan
CS GO uses a lot o bandwidth in the PCI Express, that's why it was struggling
Oh that makes sense. 😁
I'm not sure, but I would assume that games that tend to be more CPU bottlenecked are going to have relatively higher PCIe bandwidth and thus perform relatively worse, and that something like a GPU TECH DEMO that is tending to buffer more stuff in VRAM would do better relatively... of course, you can be bottlenecked by a single core so it's not quite that cut and dry but this is mostly for fun anyway.
I don’t know what you mean. Surely this mediocre GPU bottlenecked this absolute BEAST of a rig.
are you sure about that or was the pci-e the bottleneck?
That’s the opposite of what happened, did you watch?
@@raven4k998 woosh
@@stephenl2571 woosh
@@louiesatterwhite3885 what
Me using this exact setup with my HP all-in-one:
:')
Did you really buy a 3070? If so then sell it and buy like a 960 and Youll Loose no performance but get alot of money
@@DrBob-if7oj You're completely right, apart from cyberpunk with ray tracing maybe
@@ikbintom I would love to see the single pcie trying to accomplish ray tracing
Haha!! That's awesome! With a 3070 and everything?
@@DrBob-if7oj or sell it and build an entirely new system with the scalper prices lol
Other youtubers: its not working there must be a problem
Dawid: it actually worked, there must be some problem
Would be need to see this done with an M.2 slot. That’s x4, and you could even use Gen 4 too
Or one of those SATA ports that doubles as a mini PCI-E (but with extra steps).
@@BrainSlugs83 That's something new to me. Mind to elaborate?
@@ikemkrueger possibly sata express
Looks like dawid has bought everything for mining.. but hasn't figured out its for mining.
Yeah... just wait till he realizes his card can bring in $172 American a month at 60MH on that little setup.. heh.
@@justair44idiot. This aged poorly. Shit obviously crashed, and I'm happy about that. I hope you lost a bunch of money 😊😊
Very interesting! Would love to see a follow up investigating how much GPU power it actually makes sense to use in a setup like this. I think you're probably right that GTX 1650/RX 570 would be about right, but would be very interesting to investigate!
this is amazing i never thought this would ever happen, very epic thanks for the video Dawid
"Fart in a bath" probably my new favorite quote. Thank you
Dawid - "At this point I'm still waiting for something to explode." That makes two of us. ^^
Great video, it would have been nice to see the GPU-z screenshot confirming the card is plugged in and running at PCIe 1x
Great job!
This is awesome, man! I have the same PC and I will try these upgrades some time.
My favorite way to wake up on the way to work, great video as always!
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thank you for doing this. ive been wanting a video like this for a while/
Can you test this setup with lower end cards to see at which point (GPU wise) the 1x slot becomes a bottleneck. Thanks! Awesome video!
Digging the Aqua FPS shirt noice!
finally I've been waiting for this video
"Goku slowly charging the spirit bomb. Ready to Launch it at the newest enemy. " The energy this PC gives off with all of its scrotal prowess.
I said the real ALL IN ONE XD
I can't believe that actually worked. Incredible!
Great video mate, good listening to us
Great video Dawid. What next for the all-in-one I wonder?
I'd like to get one of these for my laptop, its one of those "pair a decent processor with a mid tier GPU" models.
The most fitting channel name. Couldn't describe it any better.
What you really should be checking and I'd like to see, is a video where you checkout which graphics card fits best for this adapter. Where you lose out as little as possible on the bandwidth cap.
I’ve been waiting for this, eGPU
This type of setup is a lot faster if you are able to connect the exp gdc beast via m.2 wifi interface. I was able to play GTA V on max 1080p well over 60fps using an rx 5700.
Do have a video of u doing so?
I'd be interested
@@gamingtalent2888 I do not have video or pictures atm, but I may upload one in the near future. If you're on dawid's discord, I'll dm you pictures of my setup with it.
Yup, both the M.2 A key or M key model can give X4 instead of X1, as long as you're willing to give up inbuilt Wi-Fi and use USB Wi-Fi adapters (hell YES!)
@@eatsoupeveryday ohh, i am not on discord unfortunately
@@jygoh1419 That is correct.
Another fun video Dawid doing Dawid stuff lol
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I would love to see this with a few step ups in pcie range. 2x, 4x, 8x, 16x
you're a mad man, and i love it. subd
As always fun video and I want to say insightful....lol Keep enjoying that All in 1.
The EXP GDC is actually pretty competent. With the correct m.2 adapter you can actually get 4 lanes which really helps. You can power it with the brick power supplies from Dell optiplexes of old and you can use an adapter cable to then power your GPU's connectors from the GDC, and the whole thing powers up and down with your computer.
This is the quality content I expect from you tube! NOW get it running on a Samsung smart fridge!
I am shocked at how easily this went Dawid. SUGGESTION: Next video see how this setup runs when you introduce a small fire.
I use a m.2 nvme to pcie 4x adapter and i have like 18% performance drop with my 3060. I think thats actually pretty acceptable when taking in consideration that I mainly use that gpu for tensorflow which only seems to perform around 2% worth than on my friends 16x pcie slot.
This is what happens when u spend all Ur pc budget on a scalped rtx 3070 so u can only buy a raspberry pi
this will be the best tech video all TIME!
with that limited bandwidth, you might get very similar performance with something like a 1050 ti, of course depends on the game's bandwidth utilization
I think a GT 1030 is all you need for this setup.
With reference to the high GPU usage, it would be interesting to see the power draw on the card.
I did this setup for a 5 year old Dell laptop, and a smartcard pcie to the same type of setup. Had a GTX580 with a i5 2000 something U. This hooked me up until I could afford a new game rig. These adapters are so underrated.
Yeah I also have Core i5 2430m Processor 2nd Gen.
It's very interesting with performance gain. I made a video about it in my channel
All in One maker will now be coming for you since you have shown how to extend the life of all in one.
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This was my setup when I made the switch from console gaming three years ago, except I was using this adapter on my a laptop with a ROG Strix 1080
Would love to see you try to make that adapter work on a normal desktop tower!! Plug that beast straight into the wifi slot!
what would the performance be with a higher gen pci-s slot gen 2 go to gen 3 pci-e 3 or 4 for shits and giggles
I have the ADT-Link version connected to a "DeskMini 110" and it rips... also the connections and setup are much cleaner as you use a dell power brick to run it instead of a whole PSU like that.
Max to this adapter I would say is something about 1050 Ti. For a newer hardware with M.2 slot it's also available adapter which give us about 4x PCIE lanes that can make sense.
You can also do the same thing with a laptop that has an ExpressCard slot, same PCIe1x limitation exists though, if you find a computer that used PCIe 4.0 you'd see 2 the performance from just one lane of PCIe, but most if not all of these have switched to M.2 with at least 2 lanes of PCIe(WWAN slots might be 1x but IIRC will only work with WLAN/WWAN)
I'm assuming you've already done this, but in case you havent, well, here's a fun project, and can provbably use much of this hardware for another video
I use one of these with the expresscard to make my old dell latitude more usable in 3D CAD with a 750ti. Expresscard makes it extremely easy to use, its not quite hotswappable but i never have problems when unplugging it or plugging it back in (i do have to turn the pc off though), it always recognizes the card just fine. And with a lower end gpu the bottleneck isnt as noticeable, just from experience i would say the loss is less than 10%, of course the 750ti is quite a low end card these days but its an incredible upgrade from integrated intel graphics and for something that takes 5 seconds to plug in and one reboot its great.
This was really cool sir!
Nah you're not corrupt enough to be the monarch of Croatia
he'll learn pretty fast
Dawid simply forgot to equip his Razer™ Xtreme Gaming RGB Bracelet, adds 400 fps guaranteed
I don't know why but his vids are better than Linus tech tips' vids
Its more relatable cause its hardware thats in reach. Especially in normal non gpu shortage times
Also, no weird segways to sponsors
And no drop tips from dawid XD
Absolutely
way better!!!
I actually did this with my xps l502x, I used a msi gtx 950, did not need external 6 pin power so worked out great
So this is genuinely a useful video. I got hold of a old 2011 Sony VPCL2 All in One. It’s great, 1080p display, i7 with 3d and a touchscreen. The big bottleneck is the graphics card: a GT 540M. There is a free mini pcie slot on the board so I wonder if this is something that could be done? Question is what graphics card to get
You would have better luck using at 1650, with EGPU's having something like the 30xx on a processor like that will hinder you more then help. When it comes to external GPU's Thunderbolt 3/4 are still king in that aspect. I'm doing something similar with a 10900k and getting some amazing performance's. Keep up the awesome show Dawid! I would love to see you and TJ do more content togther... Maybe an EGPU showdown?
you can also try pluggig adapter into m.2 port for ssd in notebook. ALso big thank you for recording screen on camera, every lag is pronounced so it can be better seen-
Take the plastic cover off the x16 adapter. This allows the card to seat and lets the MOSFETs "breathe". I run 2 adapters like these (that didn't come with that cover) for my Folding @home rig.
My man with Aqua's t-shirt, a man of culture
I love that you're wearing an AquaFPS shirt!!! He's an underrated streamer!
Aqua is great! His clothes are also pretty cool. 😁
@@DawidDoesTechStuff hahaha that's a good one
Omg I am glad someone else noticed that!
Damn, I'm late to the party!
but- if you ever see this, I'd love to see a pt.3 with either a second fan on the cooler or watercooled (it's opened anyways)
also, I'm not sure if i'm right but.. how much bandwidth does a USB 3 port have? there's two of them (unless they share bandwidth)
I meeeean... you just taught me I can use a few of my old laptops to potentially run a single mining card off of.
This video is ligit sick
you could do some testing on that and see what graphics card would not be bottlenecked by that adapter
Love your vids
that box branding is like 2 more lines away from sounding like an Andrew WK bit
the bandwidth also gets cut in half because the signal is getting sent back to the internal display, you could definitely get more performance by hooking it up to an external monitor
I used to run a Mac Mini on medium playing csgo at 90fps at 900p. The updates have really ranked performance.
Ah yes, the EXP GDC Beast, the savior for many old laptops and AIO's!
I was on such a huge eGPU kick a while ago, never wanted to succumb to using a GDC Beast and ALMOST made a cheaper solution work once...but then i accidentally fried the adapter lol. GDC Beast really does make things easier, thats for sure haha.
My son and I used the beast to build him a gaming laptop with a GTX 960 2gb. He’s 6 and he loved taking the old laptop apart and learning what everything does.
This is a BEAST of a video, thanks for doing this its great. Do you think it would work on laptops with HDMI ports?
It's pretty much made for laptops. The hdmi however is not actually hdmi, just the cable. The signal is totally different.
Had an idea based on the view from 5:12 and checked your other videos. Looks like there was an option (and samsung's support page indicates this as well, AMD Radeon HD 7850M to be exact) for a GPU to be soldered onto the motherboard. So maybe there might be a way of getting something like an PCI-E 8x slot from that bare section of where the GPU was meant to go.
Soldering a slot adapter in without introducing SI problems would be tricky, but it is definitely theoretically sound idea.
If you lower the monitors resolution or only use the GPU as a rendering device it would probably perform better since yeah, 1x is not doing HDMI and GPU stuff at the same time
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Would be kind of neat to see what graphics card maxes out the pci 1x slot. I'm guessing a very very old card.
you could make another comparison and see, if a lower end polaris/pascal card (rx550 gt1030) also suffers that much on a 1x PCIe interface, or if a card like thhis could use its full potetial.
I'd be interested to see that.
I absolutely love this ridiculousness
Welcome back from vacatiom :)
i have been gaming on that exact computer for 5 years and I'm about to build my own pc
"Monarch of Croatia" 🤣🤣🤣. Dawid, never change.
Somewhere along the line, Dawid decided Half liFe 2 is abbreviated as HF2 and we all just never had an issue
2:50 Feels good to be from Croatia now
Now try that combination in a proper pc motherboard, I would LOVE to see the comparasion
That and try weaker graphics cards like a 1050 ti
@@dakoderii4221 no, I speak about using the i7 3770 with a proper cooler and some proper ram, if you manage to do sum overclock I bet that there will be not much of a bottleneck, like max 30-20%
Damn, I thought the recent eGPU setups from PC World and Jarrod's Tech crippled Ampere's performance. 1x PCIe though...hot damn.
If we assume that was a gen 3 PCIe then that means that the max bandwidth was a whole 1GB/s each direction. Talk about some crippled performance. I bet the card was doing all of that while still taking a nap.
I see that AquaFPS shirt Dawid! Got yourself some cool clothes!
The coolest clothes. 😂
Yay! The ad where you pronounce Linux wrong is back!
lag is gone if you set the os to use the RTX 3070 through the built in GPU via Gpu optimus mode. Same way you can game on old Tesla cards that dont have video out ports.
When I first started watching these videos I wondered why anyone would make these nonsense videos, now I find myself enjoying every one.
so Dawid is basically cutting a 3070 down to pci-e 1x without doing it in a permanent way yay
that 3070 looks so good, its probably cheaper than msrp and thats fine because that card is so utilitarian and powerful, i wonder how i can get my hands on one, imagine if dell sold these cards, would be amazing value
I'm more interested in seeing which AMD/Nvidia GPU should be paired with a 1x, 4x connection. Like which is the model/family where it stops gaining performance through such a connection
Next video do the ultimate ram bootle neck I don’t think anyone else has.
Monarch of Croatia xD
I guess have to call you my leader now. :D Greetings from Croatia!