Interview During Hostage Crisis | Tales From the Bottle
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- A hostage crisis in which the media were more involved than the police. But was what they were doing criminal?
"The Gladbeck hostage crisis (known in Germany as the Gladbeck hostage drama) was a hostage-taking crisis that happened in August 1988 after an armed bank raid in Gladbeck, North Rhine-Westphalia, West Germany. Two men with prior criminal records, Dieter Degowski and Hans-Jürgen Rösner, went on the run for two days through Germany and the Netherlands.
On 18 August 1988 the hostage situation was put to an end in a police operation on the A3 motorway. Three people were killed during this crisis - two teenage hostages and a policeman involved in a vehicle crash. The whole episode became a media circus in Germany and the Netherlands."
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I’m from the Netherlands and had never heard this insane story until this video. Thanks for covering this insane event.
Why as a Dutch person have I never heard of this?
One reporter literally said, and I quote "Put that shooter to her throat again, I still need the picture!"
I'm guessing the journalists had something to do with the prettiest girl on the bus being chosen to remain captive.
@@Ass_of_Amalek Miraculous
@@Ass_of_Amalek and eventually they killed her.
Sounds like something they'd do, but I can't find a source, do you have one?
@@greulich9635 thank you
This isn't the first time german media fucked with a hostage situation. During the Munich Olympics attack, the german media showed the hostage rescue attempt happening live, giving the hostage takers information on the exact movement of the involved officers, ultimately costing the hostages their lives. These are the consequences of valuing a "good story" over human lives.
accidentally on purpose
See, that's what makes this so confusing to me. They have GSG-9 for exactly this kind of situation, because of exactly that situation. And yet somehow these guys got this far with this much ludicrous fumbling by keystone cops?
That may be true, but missed shots (literally) and poor police training and execution are what cost the hostages their lives, hence the creation of GSG-9 as a result.
@@johnladuke6475 GSG9 was founded after Munich Olympics. Munich was actually the reason why it was founded at all.
Happened in France during Bataclan and one soon after in a supermarket in 2015, ''survivor of the ongoing attack says he's hiding in the fridge'' displayed live for all to see
Police: we need to free the hostages
Media: stfu we need dat footage
Police: some of you might die but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make
I don't think police really cared about the hostages either
Free the flopstages
@@beebo7071 you sound like the type of person who thinks a cop should get shot over a criminal with a gun because he should “understand society” or some dumb shit stfu
I know bro I can’t even understand how and why the press is able to get that close and have that much of an impact on (sometimes) very delicate situation
The worst part about Emanuels death: Autopsy later showed he could have survived his injury, had the reporters not swarmed him like vultures and stopped the paramedics from doing their job in the process.
I doubt any of the idiotic halfwits lost their job over it though...
Kinda reminds me of Diana
as horrible as the Reporters interference was, the two dipshit cops who fucked up arresting the girlfriend and failing to let her go in time are the real morons who deserved to be strung up by their testicals until they tore off, given the boy would have never been shot had they used any semblance of their fuckin brains antagonizing armed Hostage Takers.
@@comettamer they most likely got promoted for those pictures
@@Gojiro7 For arresting her, that’s on them. However, it states in the video that they didn’t simply “fail” to release her; they literally COULDN’T, due to the very clearly stated fact that the handcuffs would not release. That mechanical issue was the reason the deadline could not be met on time, and that was out of their control completely.
"oh right.. the hostages. Forgot they existed."
Only in 80's Germany...
The Police here spends more time fighting Weed than real Crimes.
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Or 2000s russia
@@AxxLAfriku stfu
@@AxxLAfriku shut up noone gives a shit
Mindblowing that none of the journalists got charged for aiding in an armed robbery, and even moreso that none of them had any qualms about doing that AFTER THEY SHOT A 15 YEAR OLD BOY. Wow.
The fucks should have got accessory to murder, if that’s a thing in German law.
Alexander Strickland it's a thing, the term is "beihilfe zum mord". it's 3-15 years - prison sentences are generally much lighter in germany and several other european countries than they are in the US. what's called a life sentence here is normally 15 years, unless the criminal is expected or determined to be too dangerous to release after this time. apparently rösner is one of those people - seems like a good call to me.
No journalists were prosecuted, but a hell of a public shitstorm broke loose after the tragedy, leading to the implementation of ethical guidelines for the media. Till today the "Hostage drama of Gladbeck" is still remembered and also widely known as the "Sin of Gladbeck" (sin because of all that went wrong police and media wise).
Jounalists are scum.
@@Ass_of_Amalek That's strange, because here in the U.S., The People generally perceive all Germans to be strict disciplinarians( because of the war, and pop culture), and so a lot of people assume the punishments are much harsher in your country. Regardless, the punishment should be the same everywhere for what these guys did. They should be tied to a pole, blindfolded, and shot. In any case, or however it's done, I don't think these criminals deserve to breathe the same air, and they both deserve death for their crimes.
Loved the "unprepared police" drawing of him running while pulling up his pants lol
Average Irish police officer
The one where they smile dumbly as the kidnappers do crazy things is even better
I'll be damned if I'm in a situation where I'm being held hostage and the last thing before I died was some numbnut with a camera and a microphone in my face with the cops trying in vain to find their butts with their hands. Wth?
Damn, I'd steal a gun from the criminal and shoo the fuckers away, then give back the gun and restart the hostage thing more seriously.
At that point I would ask the hostage takers " You know what, fuck it. You guys need a hand? Fuck those people. At least you guys don't want me to die, you're just using me as leverage. THOSE FUCKERS WANT MY BLOOD SMEARED ALL OVER YOU FOR A BETTER HEADLINE."
@@trezapoioiuy No you wouldn't
@@KLAW.kompany I'd be more likely to do that than you are to understand a joke, apparently.
@@trezapoioiuy No you wouldnt
The police had a remote control to stop the engine of the original car they were given, a bmw 735i I believe. They had not used it because, and I quote 'the police officers had forgotten to take it with them'. Thought it was worth mentioning to once again reiterate on the police's incompetence during this whole situation.
This is reaching yakety sax levels of incompetence.
It is not even remotely difficult to set-up a remote kill switch in a car...
"reiterate on the police's incompetence during this whole situation" .
Also yours.
Let 2 people have some paper that doesn't belong to you.[it's not yours[cops]. you[cops] shouldn't care.]
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EVERYONE LIVES = Bad/wrong?
WTF is your logic Colin?
@@wolu9456 we found a schizoid in the comments
@@wolu9456 Are you okay? You sound like you're having a stroke, friend. Are you trying to say the police trying to end a hostage situation with two armed and very willing to murder criminals shouldn't have done so because money is just paper and didn't even belong to the cops to begin with? Am I reading this right? What guarantee do you have that everyone would live if the hostage takers got to keep the money? Even then, letting them off Scott free would definitely encourage other wackos to try this shit in the future. The cops in this situation fucked up disastrously on a regular basis, but trying to stop the wackos in the first place was not a bad idea on their part.
I love how the phrase "the police decided to act again" sounded worse than what the robbers did.
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I just came down here to comment on how much I love the animations, they're simple but really evocative somehow. I haven't even seen him draw himself yet, I was just taken by the police man scrambling for the bus while pulling his pants up... it's crazy what this guy can do with a few lines.
I like how he draws. A unique art style
I realised that his personal charachter has slowly been getting fatter not on this episode but in all of his episodes
@@kiansaghafi8681 odd
I love the slice of pizza on his belly.
The footage of this is horrifying - Silke Bischoff looks utterly terrified throughout - almost like she knew that she wouldn't make it.
To think that the two bankrobbers lived through the end stages while a beautiful young woman was murdered is unbelievable.
Thankfully the GSG9 are far better trained nowadays.
The gsg9 was not deployed during this crysis, thanks to the top brass, who are also responsible for most of the other police blunders during the Gladbeck Hostage Crysis
@@Urmel331 Yeah, I kinda worded that wrong - I believe that GSG9 were ready to deploy but were held back.
What I was meaning was that this kind of situation would never be allowed to develop nowadays because GSG9 wouldn't allow it to.
I doubt that they'd have been allowed to even leave the bank - better to have them in an easily controlled environment.
Or allow them to leave and deal with them as they make their way to the car.
Oh yeah cause surely it matters how she fuckin looked man also there wasnt a 15 year old shot eithet
@@majomhaha5026 I know that there was a 15 year old boy murdered too - it's sadly a well known story.
I was commenting specifically on the newsreel images - many news stories have iconic images and the images that most people remember from the Gladbeck hostage crisis are the ones from towards the end of the incident when Silke Bischoff was in the back of the car with a handgun jammed into her neck, and the way she looked is what people remember, because it did make for a shocking image.
It's perfectly reasonable to use the term "beautiful" in an entirely innocent manner, and that's exactly how I was using it.
Regarding Emanuele De Giorgi - if you look through the comments you'll see that I'd already posted a comment regarding the two teenagers killed in the incident.
I'm glad I found this comment, I was struggling to understand how this could happen when the whole idea was to have an elite counter-terrorist/hostage-crisis team on standby after that *other* time it went sideways because of poor police response.
"There was nothing to explicitly forbid me from doing so" the problems with most organisations "ethics" considerations.
how was i supposed to know i should pay people actual wages and provide them with drinkable water? no one had ever told me!
- nestlé, probably
In merica the fuzz calls it qualified immunity.
Hearing about the deaths of Silke and Emmanuel hit me a lot harder than deaths normally do. All the factors involved, the way the police and journalist treated these guys with baby mittens after they murder one very young man and up to the point where they murder a young woman. Disgusting, despicable.
How the hell did the girlfriend get 9 years for literally just sitting there and observing while journalist LITERALLY got in the car and helped them get away, assist them with care etc and go Scott free
I don't think it's unreasonable that she got time for actively joining an ongoing hostage-taking team. She was allowed to go off alone for a pee break; that's a guard, not a prisoner.
But you're absolutely right about the behaviour of the journalists here. The coward who told a teenage girl to squeeze closer to the gunman so he could give directions, then got out of the car and left her to die? At the very least, he should have been charged with every applicable variation of the "aiding and abetting" concept, if not as an actual accessory to her murder.
@@johnladuke6475 The guys were getting agitated by the media, to be fair. The guy who was giving directions shooed them back, and only after the hostage takers got frustrated trying to understand the directions did he get in and helo give directions.
He shouldn't have been there in the first place, but it seemed like he was at least attempting to keep them calm, I guess. Definitely should be charged with something, but he seemed like he was at least trying.
Whole thing was a fucking train wreck tho.
@@christiangibson1867 Right, if we ignore the insanity that led to the car being mobbed, then his moments beside the car are somewhat reasonable. At the front of the line so get the interview everyone wants, try to keep the crowd back and the gunman calm. I doubt I could give a clear set of directions out of town if you jammed a gun in my face, and I'd end up in the car too. But that moment when you don't all fit comfortably? "Hey, maybe she could get out. You've got me anyway."
I still wish Qxir had explained why exactly GSG9 didn't take charge and turn these guys to pink mist.
Agreed
@@johnladuke6475 probably because the stupid cops didn’t think to inform anybody else about their ever growing clusterfuck.
One important thing that wasn't mentioned is that at some point early on in the hostage crisis, when they left the bank with the car and the 2 hostages, they stopped at a parking lot and the two criminals left the car and the 2 hostages behind to go into a store for a few minutes. The police were on the scene since the car was bugged but chose not to act because they thought the criminals would let the hostages free later anyways.
Let me reiterate. The car was parked. In a parking lot. With the 2 hostages. The police was present. The 2 criminals weren't present, they were in a store buying food or gas, I don't remember. And the police waited.
After some minutes the 2 robbers came back, entered the car, and continued their drive. And the hostage crisis continued.
That's actually negative IQ, jesus christ.
wow i just saw the Netflix documentry and this case angers me a lot
Gee, why didn't the police just murder the poor hostages and then save themselves some time and call it a day? No use pretending whose side their on at this point...
They were outnumbered 50 to 1 and not a single journalist attempted to stop these guys. Cowards. That beautiful young woman died thanks to them.
My thoughts as well.
Have the opportunity to stop a crisis, take it. Be that someone, others will follow.
They probably just scared because they’re afraid they might get shot. They can certainly win but some might die
And a 15 year old boy.
15 year old boy kinda matters too ya know
Ah, yes, the beautiful young woman is the only victim here. If only she was an ugly old hag, or a fifteen year old boy, then at least nothing of value would have been lost.
Wow.
And I thought US journalism was rock bottom.
Journalists everywhere have hit rock bottom recently
All journalists are parasites.
Big Brother always served as an example to german media.
Right now they're testing out on public election campaign mud-slingings, it's disgusting...
Read the german Bild, its probably the worst News portal in human history
And also has the world record for the most official Disgraces
Mostly for inhuman behaviour
They also Published a video of a man Jumping off a Church high enoug that he will die
And they set up cameras and screamed questions up to him
American journalism is different than this. Nastier in some ways.
You'll never see more hypocrisy or pandering out of any group of people. Every thing is an op ed now 90 percent of articles open with "why you should." Its a clear violation of the idea of reporting facts unbiasedy.
I don't think there's anything more terrifying than being a hostage and hearing that the German or Russian police are here to rescue you.
nowadays the German police should be a lot more competent
I mean, you’re pretty good in Germany now. The GSG9 counter terrorism unit was formed specifically because the German police kept fucking shit up.
The Russians still don’t understand what a hostage is.
hearing that the american police is gonna rescue you and being black is pretty high up there
@@ajl729gaming2 Oh they do, they just spell it as 'acceptable casualties' in their reports.
@@ajl729gaming2
So that's why fuze always kills the hostage 🤔
I like that your cartoons accurately show which hijacker had a revolver and which had a semi-automatic.
That is some nice attention to detail.
all journalists involved in this should have been arrested for interfering with an active crime scene, and I would hope if something like this happens again the cops do
Not only that, but they also were accomplices by not stopping the kidnappers and even halting the police rescue (if they were trying at all)
"We've tried nothing, and we're out of ideas."
- West German Police, 1988, Probably
This thing was one of the most surreal things that ever happened in Germany
This, and the scientists drinking rocket fuel
Well there was that one thing...
Really? Not the rest of the 20th century as a whole? Compared to the rest of that, I'm surprised this could even make a top ten list.
@@johnladuke6475 I meant on a more individual basis, like the Stockholm robbery, not the country as a whole. Although I was kinda joking in not counting in the obvious lol
@@emperormajorian112 thats something youd expect to see in Ireland or Russia
Kid: _Gets shot in the head_
Reporters: That death won’t stop me because I can’t see
Criminally Listed did a segment on this case. It’s a wild story of complete incompetence
The fact that the journalists helped out the hostage takers hurts my brain so much. Literally what reason would they have for giving them food and water? It also feels so weird that they just interviewed them without doing anything like they were celebrities or something
In my opinion, Silke and Emmanuel were killed by the hostage taking robbers, the journalists, And police incompetence. All are equally culpable here.
Remember that movie 'Natural Born Killers (1994)'?
I can't imagine how the hostages felt. Thinking that help should be arriving soon only to be accosted by reporters who would love to film your death. Heartbreaking
As a contrast to this maybe cover the "Landshut" hostage crisis and how it ended under the GSG9 (The first mission they ever undertook after years of pure training)
This makes me think the GSG9 Is literally the only German special Force that Is NOT pure incompetence honestly.
@@inserisciunnome *the only german one you mean
@@gymcurry4312 lets not forget the KSM KSK and so on
@@gymcurry4312 German police and special forces are really quite competent, the german federal crime bureau (BKA) is on par with the fbi
@@gymcurry4312 actually, yeah i do. Don't Ask me how i forgot to add "German" in the phrase cuz i have honestly no idea.
Always delivers. What a lad. Far more efficient than the delivery man.
Still haven’t gotten my end of year exam results
Love it
Good lord. That one picture. Dude has the gun under the woman’s chin….with his finger on the trigger..
And they shot and killed that poor boy. Just sad. Totally unacceptable handling from the police. Unacceptable
they killed the girl after 😞😞she was only 18
Desperate journalist + incompetent police = A nightmare
Reminds of me the Quirino Grandstand hijack that took place about 11 years ago. A news network journalist filmed a sniper taking position on a rooftop. That video was being live streamed in the bus.
This reminds me of the Manila hostage crisis. The media broadcasted live the whole situation and the hostage taker can see whats going on outside including police positions and operations.
How none of the press or police were charged with a crime I'll never understand
Cuz they all worked for the same boss... 🤑
What a coincidence, I just finished watching Lazy Masquerade creepy photographs video where one of the entries was from this case.
It feels like an inspiration for "Die Hard" when that reporter guy kept making things worse.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was based on another event rather than this one.
@@chibani- True. Though, I still want Bonnie Bedelia to give it to all those useless journalists in this case.
And journalists wonder why people dislike them so much
Similar story, when the first hostage situation happenend in the Netherlands the police actually had to cut the phone wires because journalists kept calling to the house to interview the hostage takers
Then how were they gonna order PIZZA??? 🍕🥤
There is another interesting hostage crisis that you might want to cover. That is 1995 Budyonnovsk hostage crisis during which almost 200 criminals were let go after they took over an entire town.
That doesn't sound like a hostage situation, that sounds like a takeover
@@eduardcruceru9004 it's a bit more complicated than that. It was a takeover that eventually transferred into a massive hostage crisis when the entire population of the town was taken hostage in the town's hospital.
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Save for the nearly half a mil subs lol he has blown up
your pronunciation of german words was actually really good
Always a great day when this guy uploads
The Italian boy had his little sister with him, when they shot him he had just embraced her to protect her.
Wow. Just wow. Sheer incompetence from both the media and the police.
Holy crap, I never imagined this level of incompetence to be possible! 😵
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Qxir's videos are always such a treat to watch. I definitely appreciate all the work that goes into them, especially the drawings (being an artist myself, I know how time consuming this can be).
Also, loved the pic of the cop with his pants down for the "unprepared" bit c:
What I like most about your channel is that you tend to talk about little known things.
One note about the second car.
The police had a remote cut off switch in the BMW, however the police accidentally forgot the switch in the Netherlands.
Yes, how CONVENIENT...
The moment I see Rösler at the glass door my brain goes: GLADBECK!
This was and ever will be such a sad sad story, I still get goose pimples everytime I stumble across it...
This reminds of the K&P prison guard sketch.
Con: Hey man, you gotta let me out of this cell, I ain't supposed to be in here!
Guard: Oh. OK. Off you go!
isn't that the movie idiocracy?
@@Ass_of_Amalek No, it's Key and Peele, like I said 😅
a crazy part of my local history. its spread a lot of controversy and changed the behavior of press and police for the years to come. a hard lesson to learn.
by the way, your pronunciation is fine.
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What an amazing story. Thanks for your content bud. Always enjoyable.
Incredible content man. Thanks for finding unique stories that I’ve never heard of before !!!
Qxir, you are amazing! I havent watched the video yet, but I am already happy someone from west is finally reporting this story of madness.
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Another hostage crisis thats interesting is the attica prison riot
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Journalist: gets in car
YOU HAVE NOW SWITCHED TEAMS
Thanks vor finally doing this topic
Note: The service station where Löblich was apprehended was nowhere near Hamburg, it was east of Bremen.
It’s crazy how Silke remained calm with a gun on her the whole time. What a beautiful young lady, lost to these filth.
I really don’t know how you are able to consistently upload such great videos, all of them having a similar vibe (except for the “Last Moments” ones, obviously).
You make some great content, Qxir, and I’m glad to have been watching it for the past couple of years.
Well done as usual. Keep em coming.
Wow, that was depressing. There's an album from the early 90s, Stay Where the Pepper Grows, by German band Hammerhead, that uses a photo of Silke and Dugowski in car surrounded by press on the cover. Until now, I didn't know where it came from, but I always had a feeling the story wouldn't end well.
4:38 that went from absurd hilarity to tragic horror unexpectedly fast :(
"We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas!"
PMSL!
Great story telling!
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Qxir really out here making my day, huh?
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As always the most enjoyable video I’ve seen since your last keep me comin mate keep em comin
They need to make a documentary abnout this where they interview the journalists and ask them if they feel bad about the way they acted
You should do a video on Andre Gardes.
He was a retired nuclear physicist who tried to invade the island of Sark by himself with only a semiautomatic rifle.
Good to see this story finally gets known outside of germany
“ We’ve tried nothing and we’re out of ideas. “
"One of the journalists even got in the car to provide directions" Ok first things first, how the hell do you let that happen and why would u get in a car with armed robbers. *facepalm*
I know it’s not America but why was that guy not charged with assisting the hostage takers.
@@dubspool because its 1980s germany, they got more things to worry bout
If we ignore the insanity that led to that point? I agree with Qxir - get in the car, but only in exchange for a hostage. Because how the hell do you look that terrified girl in the face and tell her that you're done giving directions and getting out of the car? "Trade me for her, you'll let me go somewhere, and what a story I'll have."
@@johnladuke6475 Why couldn't the police conduct a raid or not give in to their demands. And if the journalist had given the girl over for him, might as well give that guy a medal.
To be absolutely fair, the armed robbers were *armed*. Not sure what I would do if a guy had a gun pointed at me and told me to get in the car & give directions...
To be absolutely fair again, the journalist was still an idiot for being there to start with.
Police: we need to catch that criminal
Journalists: Lmao free footage
Your drawings really capture the sentiment. It's really great!
These are so good. All the time.
There was a very sad film series about this event... it was a 2 or 3 part series and I can’t remember what it’s called but I daccomend a watch
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Goddamn!!! And here i thought my third world country's cops and media are inept about hostage situations.
Is that "journalism ethics" 101, or lol?
Attention worth more then lives..
Media: YES
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Silke (sp?) was a very pretty girl. Shocked and saddened to see she died. Makes me mad.
Silke is the correct spelling
The journalists were like: "Please, can you shoot another hostage? Because we have no proper pictures..."
I remember this incident and the outraged response of the media after that whole story.
German boulevard journalists in the aftermath: "How can it be that journalists so hard involved in that? We would never do that..." 🤦🏻♂️
Ja, läuft... 👍
My favorite part of this is video is the effort you put into the arm tattoos
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In the USA they would have just chucked grenades into the bank and called it a day
If they got into a shootout everyone would've been mortally wounded EXCEPT the hostage takers because American police enjoy shooting dogs and children
@@nathanialramirez160 yea yea laugh it up jackass but you don’t hear these type of stories coming out of America
i think the funniest thing about a hostages in bank robberies is that there's just a mutual like "yea i get it" between the hostages and the criminals.
I remember this... I mean, its talked about here in Germany every once in a while, but I guess I actually remember this happening
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