This was imo one of the best battle scenes in the series. No reused footage, lots of chaos right amongst the fleet. Plus all the uncertainty in the air about the final five and Starbuck's return.
@@ltraltier6009 The original series moreso than the modern version. There isn't the VFX budget to always show it, but the BSG fighters have attitude and reverse thrusters to better comply with physics. Star wars doesn't even try.
I feel like this is how the other battles would have gone too. The Cylons should have done this every time; jump right into the middle of the fleet, or as as close as possible, instead of hanging out at standoff distance. If the Colonials have defensive technology that can intercept 99% or more of your long range ordnance then why the frak would you hang out at long range firing ineffective salvos at them? It's a no-win situation, because sending flak into the civilian fleet is killing the civilian fleet as well. Those ships aren't armored much, if at all, so all those little hypervelocity fragments would just tear up craft like Colonial 1
The ship with 15 domes is my favourite of the fleet. I'm glad it survived the battle. RIP Pyxis. Watching this almost at frame by frame, I'm amazed at the wonderful attention to detail and the realism for all the ships.
@@Kl0zi9999 I think it was either the "Berkshire" or the "Valley Forge" on a long-term dry lease after the American Airlines forest-hauling contract expired. Edited for punctuation.
I’ve always loved the attention the civilian ships got, something many sci-fi stories neglect. I guess Star Wars have some but they’re usually depicted as part of the rebellion, Star Trek rarely if ever has dedicated civilian ships beyond freighters depicted.
When a show is not on mainstream network television or one of the main streamers of today it's never going to get the kind of mass audiences that Star Trek got in the 80's and 90's
1:18 I like how they did that scene. When Saul shoots Adama and the camera pans over to Saul yelling no then In the same shot it pans back to everyone normal again. All in one take.
@@info_fox something I wondered about from the very first episode, when you see shrapnel flak rip apart Raiders. I assume the Vipers have to stay out of the cone of the firing solution - or after initial volleys they only use exploding ordinance. Anders wasn't sure, either :)
@@tuxedotservo There's a line in the pilot episode from Lee about everyone staying clear of Galactica's firing lines, plus they usually don't fire the Raider killing flak at something if there's Vipers in the way. That and the flak fired by the ship's main artillery spreads out in a cone when it explodes. And given that Lee survived a few seconds inside Galactica's primary flak field in season 2, I'm guessing the shrapnel isn't immediately fatal to a Viper.
@@Mobius_118 good catch on the line from the pilot. I'd forgotten about that. It is survivable for a short period - Anders gets caught up in Galactica's flak in his "I have no idea what I'm doing" panic during this battle. The flak field is definitely a defined area that Vipers would no to stay away from - except in the Deadlock game, where they just casually pursue Raiders into flak fields and die (smh)
I wish Bulldog from last season had been called in to fly a Viper. I wish they continued to develop that story arc. Great episode, still mu favorite series of all time.
I always loved Tory's look during the Tigh hallucination. Pure horror as she realizes she's probably a sleeper just waiting for activation as well. Even for a quick little, what, 15 second scene, that didn't happen anyway, it's a powerful look.
Part of it is framing, but we do see two characters moving toward Tigh in that bit - Roslin and Agathon. The former is in part because we see her jump back after Tigh takes the shot, and McDonnell needed to get back to where she was before the shot, and the latter is telling because Karl seems to be the only person actively responding to Tigh's actions. I'm not sure the character would have had time to process that he's the commander now.
@@TimothyCizadlo ...you know, I never thought about the fact that Karl would indeed be in charge after that. Is that confirmed? He was XO when Tigh was on New Cap until his return, so if the XO suddenly shoots the commander, the third in command would be in charge, but was there anyone who returned from New Cap who held a higher rank than Karl?
@@frederalbaconSince Karl was XO while Tigh was on caprica that would indicate that Karl held the position of 2nd officer, the 3rd highest position on a ship, meaning the only people of higher rank was Adama and tigh, and tigh would've been charged with treason on the spot lol
@@adamboyen4727 But I don't know if anyone who came back from New Cap would have been higher rank. I know that Helo was XO while most of the crew was planetbound, but there were a lot of people in the fleet who might have outranked him after the crew returned. It is worth pointing out that Kara and Karl both held the same rank, and Lee actually held a higher rank before his retirement. If his father was shot by his XO, it is entirely possible a different Commander/Admiral Adama would have come about.
@@frederalbacon because lee was technically retired he is immediately removed from consideration and because Kara was officially KIA she is also removed from consideration, also rank is only a component of the equation, you also have position and seniority, so first it's rank, then position then seniority, so in the case where Karl and Kara both held the same rank, because Karl's position was 2nd officer, while Kara may have been wing commander, because 2nd officer is a higher position Karl takes charge (that of course assumes both are on the bridge, if Karl were in a viper and Kara were on the CIC, Kara would have to take charge until Karl was back on the CIC, but this scenario would never happen given that 2nd officer position is strictly in the CIC
Have to agree. This is one of the only times you not only see capship point defenses but see just how *effective* they are against both fighters and torpedoes. There isn't quite anything in sci-fi like the sound of Galactica's heavy railgun artillery in full fire disipline.
It's the sweet spot between pure fantasy that's entertaining but demands absolute suspension of disbelief, and hard sci-fi that can be boring or hard to fully understand and appreciate for the majority of the audience.
I think it's because there is no real super tech to one-up the enemy, it's all tactics, logistics and plain old luck as to how the battles unfold. Neither force is actually infinite, and realistically they are both fighting on diminishing returns.
Well on the bright side they're probably already cooked from the explosion instead of being alive briefly in a vacuum. I found the first mini series more gruesome where it showed the pilots wiggling in the cockpits when their vipers blew up
@@Negativvv Not sure if they worked it out, or they simply were gotten a lot more ammunitions and maybe more updated variant from the Raptor thanks to the the Pegasus. Guess Ragnar station didn't have everything.
@@DanielRMueller Pegasus blew up months prior to the Nebulae battle... Although it may have taken the Colonials that time to work out how to retrofit their Raptors. No real complaints from me, they could have just used that firepower a hell of a lot earlier!!
@@Negativvv The Pegasus died way earler in the evacuation operation of New Caprica, but we know that its entire fighter complement stayed with the civilian fleet during that operation. It only had e few Raptors remaining that jumped when it evacuated the Pegasus crew before its destruction
@@DanielRMueller I read somewhere that, during her months with the fleet, Pegasus had supposedly replaced every Viper and Raptor on both battlestars, as well as replenishing ammo and any spares she could manufacture. I have no citation to offer, so...
Destroying the Pegasus was just not logical in this universe. It should have survived and thus would have given the writers another angle and more scope for stories, introduce new people and character development.
I think Lee has to go in over New Caprica. I think that the main flaw was that neither Adama brought half of Peggy's air group with them. Either Lee doesn't leave all of his birds with the civilians, or Bill takes 20 or so birds to provide top cover after the drop. It's the lack of top cover that lets the base stars swarm The old lady, and are why Lee has to get in close with his main battery rather than standing off and doing fire support from rage, which Peggy was built for.
Not only do I own this, it’s loaded in my phone. You know, just in case I ever get stranded in the middle of the ocean. As long as I have a solar charger, I’m ready to rock.
The only criticism with the show I ever had was we never got properly introduced to all of the ships in the fleet. Even short scenes that over the seasons established a decent knowledge of each ship would've meant every loss would've been that much worse. I mean even as it stands this scene twists your gut as you're seeing a battle with the civilian fleet vulnerable, which just feels so wrong after so many battles and close calls.
@@usul573Moore mentioned they did this for the prison ship, Astral Queen in season 1 and realised just how expensive it was going to be if they did it every episode.
Major flaw is the habit of adding new ships to the fleet every season despite dialogue indicating a number of around 63 per the first episode after the Miniseries. Counting EVERY ship carefully in space scenes, I counted between 105 and 110 ships each time, most of them thanks to the opening and closing scenes of the seventh episode of season one. They just couldn't help themselves and it made no sense really.
As much as I enjoyed this series, I always liked the original concept that had the Cylons being the remaining machines from a alien race! I had high hopes that the new series would go that route but apparently it’s taking place in the same universe as this series!🤷🏼♂️
Little trivia: Edward James Olmos had one condition when he agreed to play Adama. No aliens. He wanted the show to stay focused on the human drama. Pretty rare for an actor to have any kinda input like that. Not that he like, gave active input but he apparently did have that condition
@Anthony Gonzalez I kida adds to the "emptyness" feel of the BSG universe. Unlike othe shows where space is full of life and activity, here it's a dark, cold, dangerous and lonely place; with nothing but the void within hundreds of thousands of light-years. And when they do find something, it's only a deadly nebulae or an ice cold rock. Add to that being chased by relentless killing machines and the fact that that guy sitting over there may be one of them. Makes you understand how hard it is, mentally and emotionally, for the survivors to push forward.
@@anthonygonzalez2897 The actor's leverage vanishes the moment he signs the contract. Olmos made his conditions known ahead of time. If he wasn't satisfied with their answer, then he wouldn't have signed, and they would have had to find someone else to play Adama.
Never could understand why Anders was trying to shoot with his left hand on the stick. Is that the control stick or does the throttle have its own “trigger?” And BTW, do Vipers have LH throttle control? If so, what was that business with Adama testing Kara’s bum leg with weights at the gym? The one where she had to “apply continuous pressure on the pedal to execute a 6-g turn, otherwise she dies?”
A lot of times actors are just jabbing random buttons. No set rules. Pensacola Wings of Gold did that. I saw them do so much stupid feldercarb...... The act for Kara hated the fighter scenes.
G-forces are not fully tied to gravity actually. It's speed an inertia with gravity. Even in 0G space if a Viper is going fast (which they usually are) it will take muscles power to not only press down a rudder petal but keep it pressed down through G forces in a turn.
@@sebastiannelson6355 In space you don’t need to maintain a burn to execute a turn. That’s an in-atmosphere procedure, since when you have air resistance you have to apply continuous thrust or else the air slows you down and you lose altitude. It’s that constant thrust while moving in an arc that induces the 6G forces on the pilot. To change your vector in 0G you use RCS thrusters to point in your desired direction and then engage main drive engines behind you. Ever play the old Asteroids video game? That’s Delta V. You don’t need some spring-loaded gas pedal to control that. Two hand control sticks with thruster buttons on one of them will do. When the Apollo Lunar Modules landed on the moon, all their RCS thrusters were controlled by two hands. The main engine only had an On/Off button.
@@icecold9511 In Blood and Chrome they showed a then-young Adama switch from his right hand on the stick to his left hand. But in that case the reason was he had popped-off his busted canopy and needed his right hand to, get this, fire his sidearm at the enemy Raider above him. In another instance he uses his left hand to flick a switch on his LH stick, which has the effect of flipping his Viper around mid-flight so he can shoot at the Raiders on his six. Kara does a similar maneuver in Razor, so clearly there’s some sort of directional control scheme for the left hand. I can get on-board with that if not for the inconsistent use of the centrally-mounted control stick. Like, if suddenly yanking on it engages reverse braking thrusters, as was shown by Lee in the raid on the Cylon’s Tylium Mine, what control input makes the craft pitch-up? Viper controls are weird like that. At least in the old series they made the Mk1s fly like atmospheric fighters. Reverse Thrust was activated by the third button on the stick, not by a motion of the stick. Extra Thrust was of course the Central “Turbo” button on the stick.
@@Ryan_Christopher One thing great about BG is, unlike many other syfy shows involving fighter craft, they demonstrate how fighters are able to maneuver in space early on in the program as we see thrusters firing around the ship when a viper is landing.
Aye, with the bullet hole in the same eye as Tigh. It kind of suggests that the Colonel blames the Admiral for leaving them on New Caprica and being tortured.
As Julian Sands once said, "By all that is holy, great ships shall be built, warriors will be trained and the person who edited this clip short by thirty seconds shall be hunted down." ... or something like that ...
A few questions I have about this battle that I'm not sure were ever explained in the show, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure how every ship in the fleet lost main power just as the Cylon fleet arrived seemed more than a coincidence, but it was never explained. I took it as an act of God preventing the fleet from leaving so the Raiders would recognize the Final Five and set the events that lead into the end of the series in motion. But there was never an in show explanation for how that happened. I know jump drives and their tech is fictional, but every colonial jump drive is exactly the same, even civilian and warship variants and all take 30 minutes to spin up after being shut down? So for most of the series the fleet ran with spun up jump drives 24/7? When the Cylons would find the fleet in other episodes, most of the fleet would be able to jump immediately, and Galactica would cover the slower jumping ships before jumping themselves meaning not all drives are designed the same. Surely this would be a huge strain on the drives and fuel, and if a ship ever lost its drive and couldn't be repaired they'd have to abandon it.
The money and the technology weren't there back in the 70s and 80s. They did what they could with what they had and it was still the most expensive show to produce of its time.
@@seawind930 The reimagined series was much lower budget than the original, but the original was changed from being a miniseries to a weekly series with no notice so they would have had to reuse footage anyway due to lack of time.
PSG is not on Peacock anymore. Hopefully it’ll be streaming soon somewhere. It cost over two dollars an episode and I just can’t afford that and I want to show it to so many people.
Disney spent billions for Star Wars and this battle scene is better than anything they've done... change my mind. Cutting off Sam & the Raider making contact should have been left in, super epic moment.
A really guess its for "effect" , but ! There is no medium of course for sound to travel in space, would be boring if all the battles were devoid of sound.
EVERYONE DID! At the time it was deduced that an outside Agency or preprogrammed quirk had it's way.....The mystical aspect was always played with throughout the series.
4 basestars as far as I can see on dradis. Possible but super hard. We have seen them take 2 out relatively easy. And the Pegasus main battery can cripple a baseship in one Salvo. Would have been interesting definitely
@@ikosanweee8203 I think it could have happened. Although there would have been alot of damage to both of them...and then who knows where the series would have taken us...
Pegasus was definitely an offensive ship, with forward facing main battery and apparently weaker flak cover. Galactica was much better suited to defend the fleet.
Ah yes, let’s not have more character development and deep storytelling. The mutiny was a good part of the series, it showcased how far man had fallen and far they truly were too losing it all. Not to mention trust amongst the fleet and the merging of the colons with man.
@IvanKinkle deep story telling doesn't remove three possibility of good action scenes. And there's deep story, and the bat scat crazy that was what got at the end.
@@AOClaus The problem with more battles is the story just doesn't lend itself to too many battles. Galactica can't stand and fight too many times. They don't have the firepower, manpower or supplies to stand up to the Cylons. Other than destroying the Resurrection ship (which was worth the risk) all they can really do is run.
By this point the whole "It's a Cylon trick!" explanation was getting a bit stale. You can tell even the Colonials in-universe are feeling that way, Adama definitely isn't buying that so easily despite it coming from Roslin
Glad we got the full 4 seasons. If a writers' strike had lasted a little longer, we only would have gotten 3.5 seasons, and "Revelations" would have been the series finale.
CHIAHAKWMYM: Was there a battle here? [THE BORG AND TERRANs STOP THE BATTLE FOR 5 SECONDs IN TRUEST HORROR AT CHIAHAKWMYM DOING KIRK THAT COMPLETELY FOR BEGGING HER TO DO HERSELF WITH ASKING FOR A FRIEND REVENGE.] Sorry, was laughing. [TAKEs OFF, KILLs ONLY TERRAN FIGHTERs, AND LANDs ON A TERRAN AIRSTRIP.] Only killed Nazis. [THEY ALL KILLED THEMSELVes ALREADY IN SCREAMING HORROR AT HER DOING KIRK DESPERATELY TRYING TO GET SIHA TO SAY SHE KNOWs ZAKK WYLDE PERSONALLY.]
This was imo one of the best battle scenes in the series. No reused footage, lots of chaos right amongst the fleet. Plus all the uncertainty in the air about the final five and Starbuck's return.
Exodus part 2 > all
The series was based around star wars space battles.
@@ltraltier6009 The original series moreso than the modern version. There isn't the VFX budget to always show it, but the BSG fighters have attitude and reverse thrusters to better comply with physics. Star wars doesn't even try.
I feel like this is how the other battles would have gone too. The Cylons should have done this every time; jump right into the middle of the fleet, or as as close as possible, instead of hanging out at standoff distance. If the Colonials have defensive technology that can intercept 99% or more of your long range ordnance then why the frak would you hang out at long range firing ineffective salvos at them? It's a no-win situation, because sending flak into the civilian fleet is killing the civilian fleet as well. Those ships aren't armored much, if at all, so all those little hypervelocity fragments would just tear up craft like Colonial 1
Best TV series space battle. A few others come pretty close though. The battle to retake DS9 comes to mind.
That scene at 4:38 when you see the flak screen moving to intercept the Cylon ordinance. What a beautiful touch.
"Have triple A target only missiles going towards the fleet - we can handle the hits, they can't!" XD
The ship with 15 domes is my favourite of the fleet.
I'm glad it survived the battle.
RIP Pyxis.
Watching this almost at frame by frame, I'm amazed at the wonderful attention to detail and the realism for all the ships.
I think that was the agriculture ship, all the domes were biomes.
@@Kl0zi9999 I think it was either the "Berkshire" or the "Valley Forge" on a long-term dry lease after the American Airlines forest-hauling contract expired. Edited for punctuation.
I’ve always loved the attention the civilian ships got, something many sci-fi stories neglect. I guess Star Wars have some but they’re usually depicted as part of the rebellion, Star Trek rarely if ever has dedicated civilian ships beyond freighters depicted.
The music was AMAZING during the battle. Those War drums when Galactica's turrets were firing were absolutely bang'n.
Taiko Drums actually.
Bear McCreary is a beast.
This deserved to be 10x more popular than it was. Its the GOAT
This show was absolutely super popular
So Say We All!
Literally one of the most popular and well known sci-fy space shows lol
When a show is not on mainstream network television or one of the main streamers of today it's never going to get the kind of mass audiences that Star Trek got in the 80's and 90's
The fake-out with Tigh was too good. I almost wish they had let it actually transpire.
Could you imagine how much of a turn that would’ve had on the show? I had to pause the show out of disbelieve
I remember the moment when the episode first aired, think my heart missed a beat or two
When I showed BSG to one of my best mates, we got to that scene and he straight up forgot to breathe for 30 seconds :P
@@bcmm1880 I think Sam gives himself as well as Galen and Tory up as soon as he lands, Helo is promoted, and Roslin's heart is broken.
How cheap of a shot would it have been if that had been the end of the previous season.....
1:18 I like how they did that scene. When Saul shoots Adama and the camera pans over to Saul yelling no then In the same shot it pans back to everyone normal again. All in one take.
"I'm Samuel T. Anders...I was born on Picon..." A truly stunning performance here by someone who wonders who or what he really is.
Those poor artillery crews - all those juicy baseships right in front of them, and they have to focus on flak.
I know right - "ok flank is clear . . . nothing at my 6 . . . . " switches to AP and lobs a few rounds toward thos Fraking Base Stars - lol
Sooo...Soon.... about flak in space.
Wouldn't the shrapnel from the rounds project outward and strike the vipers?
@@info_fox something I wondered about from the very first episode, when you see shrapnel flak rip apart Raiders.
I assume the Vipers have to stay out of the cone of the firing solution - or after initial volleys they only use exploding ordinance.
Anders wasn't sure, either :)
@@tuxedotservo There's a line in the pilot episode from Lee about everyone staying clear of Galactica's firing lines, plus they usually don't fire the Raider killing flak at something if there's Vipers in the way. That and the flak fired by the ship's main artillery spreads out in a cone when it explodes. And given that Lee survived a few seconds inside Galactica's primary flak field in season 2, I'm guessing the shrapnel isn't immediately fatal to a Viper.
@@Mobius_118 good catch on the line from the pilot. I'd forgotten about that.
It is survivable for a short period - Anders gets caught up in Galactica's flak in his "I have no idea what I'm doing" panic during this battle.
The flak field is definitely a defined area that Vipers would no to stay away from - except in the Deadlock game, where they just casually pursue Raiders into flak fields and die (smh)
I wish Bulldog from last season had been called in to fly a Viper. I wish they continued to develop that story arc.
Great episode, still mu favorite series of all time.
Aww man, Carl Lumbly flying into battle would have been dope!
I always loved Tory's look during the Tigh hallucination. Pure horror as she realizes she's probably a sleeper just waiting for activation as well. Even for a quick little, what, 15 second scene, that didn't happen anyway, it's a powerful look.
Part of it is framing, but we do see two characters moving toward Tigh in that bit - Roslin and Agathon.
The former is in part because we see her jump back after Tigh takes the shot, and McDonnell needed to get back to where she was before the shot, and the latter is telling because Karl seems to be the only person actively responding to Tigh's actions. I'm not sure the character would have had time to process that he's the commander now.
@@TimothyCizadlo ...you know, I never thought about the fact that Karl would indeed be in charge after that. Is that confirmed? He was XO when Tigh was on New Cap until his return, so if the XO suddenly shoots the commander, the third in command would be in charge, but was there anyone who returned from New Cap who held a higher rank than Karl?
@@frederalbaconSince Karl was XO while Tigh was on caprica that would indicate that Karl held the position of 2nd officer, the 3rd highest position on a ship, meaning the only people of higher rank was Adama and tigh, and tigh would've been charged with treason on the spot lol
@@adamboyen4727 But I don't know if anyone who came back from New Cap would have been higher rank. I know that Helo was XO while most of the crew was planetbound, but there were a lot of people in the fleet who might have outranked him after the crew returned. It is worth pointing out that Kara and Karl both held the same rank, and Lee actually held a higher rank before his retirement. If his father was shot by his XO, it is entirely possible a different Commander/Admiral Adama would have come about.
@@frederalbacon because lee was technically retired he is immediately removed from consideration and because Kara was officially KIA she is also removed from consideration, also rank is only a component of the equation, you also have position and seniority, so first it's rank, then position then seniority, so in the case where Karl and Kara both held the same rank, because Karl's position was 2nd officer, while Kara may have been wing commander, because 2nd officer is a higher position Karl takes charge (that of course assumes both are on the bridge, if Karl were in a viper and Kara were on the CIC, Kara would have to take charge until Karl was back on the CIC, but this scenario would never happen given that 2nd officer position is strictly in the CIC
the sneaking level of Baltar with orange carpet tho.. "don't mind me bois, just passing by"
3:18 Gods, I love this scene so much. Hearing those guns firing just gives all the goosebumps.
Have to agree. This is one of the only times you not only see capship point defenses but see just how *effective* they are against both fighters and torpedoes. There isn't quite anything in sci-fi like the sound of Galactica's heavy railgun artillery in full fire disipline.
sadly you wouldnt hear any of that ;)
Is it just me, or are BSG's battle scenes even better than those in Star Wars?
It’s not just you
It helps when your story writing obeys your own canon rules.
I love Star wars, but these are some of the best battles in sci fi, period
It's the sweet spot between pure fantasy that's entertaining but demands absolute suspension of disbelief, and hard sci-fi that can be boring or hard to fully understand and appreciate for the majority of the audience.
I think it's because there is no real super tech to one-up the enemy, it's all tactics, logistics and plain old luck as to how the battles unfold. Neither force is actually infinite, and realistically they are both fighting on diminishing returns.
I just realized watched the explosion of the passenger liner Pyxis, the bodies tumbling into space as the explosion died down. Gruesome.
Yep
Well on the bright side they're probably already cooked from the explosion instead of being alive briefly in a vacuum. I found the first mini series more gruesome where it showed the pilots wiggling in the cockpits when their vipers blew up
I love those heavily armed Raptors.
They worked out that after years at war they could be retrofitted for more firepower finally...
@@Negativvv Not sure if they worked it out, or they simply were gotten a lot more ammunitions and maybe more updated variant from the Raptor thanks to the the Pegasus. Guess Ragnar station didn't have everything.
@@DanielRMueller Pegasus blew up months prior to the Nebulae battle... Although it may have taken the Colonials that time to work out how to retrofit their Raptors. No real complaints from me, they could have just used that firepower a hell of a lot earlier!!
@@Negativvv The Pegasus died way earler in the evacuation operation of New Caprica, but we know that its entire fighter complement stayed with the civilian fleet during that operation. It only had e few Raptors remaining that jumped when it evacuated the Pegasus crew before its destruction
@@DanielRMueller I read somewhere that, during her months with the fleet, Pegasus had supposedly replaced every Viper and Raptor on both battlestars, as well as replenishing ammo and any spares she could manufacture. I have no citation to offer, so...
3:18 I love those main battery guns firing with flak fields in the background.
It would have been even better if those main guns been armed for salvo fire.
I like during the Tigh fake out Tory is shaking her head like “nah, bruh don’t do it! DON’T!”
How is it possible, that something fictional can feel so Real!
I love the details where the raiders actually bleed and aren’t entirely mechanical now.
Yes, we knew that since season 1, since the one Starbuck shot down then returned to Galactica in.
I've only just noticed that Tigh shot Adama in the right eye, the same one as he lost himself. (....and yes, Michael Hogan is fanstastic)
“Where the frak are these nuggets” was hilarious
I want to no more about new caprica
I say the same thing in the McDonald's drive through.
All those times the Cylon Raiders were red eyeing....they were searching.
4:38 is such a cool shot!
"ALL PLAYERS GALACTICA" like its a game to helo lol.
Boy right about now would be a good time to have a much more advanced and bigger Battlestar called the Pegasus helping out right Lee Adama?
If Pegasus didn’t show up at New Caprica they’d have lost Galactica and a good number of the civilians.
The Pegasus could definitely have survived with galactica
Destroying the Pegasus was just not logical in this universe.
It should have survived and thus would have given the writers another angle and more scope for stories, introduce new people and character development.
I think Lee has to go in over New Caprica. I think that the main flaw was that neither Adama brought half of Peggy's air group with them. Either Lee doesn't leave all of his birds with the civilians, or Bill takes 20 or so birds to provide top cover after the drop. It's the lack of top cover that lets the base stars swarm The old lady, and are why Lee has to get in close with his main battery rather than standing off and doing fire support from rage, which Peggy was built for.
@@TimothyCizadlo Excellent analysis! I like this.
The tension is palpable.
WHAT, this was cut like 20 seconds too short!
This show will remain a masterpiece for countless centons to come.
Not only do I own this, it’s loaded in my phone. You know, just in case I ever get stranded in the middle of the ocean. As long as I have a solar charger, I’m ready to rock.
This show is so FRACKING GOOOD!!!!!!!!!!!
Zephyr is my favourite Battlestar ship lol
Is that the twirly whirly one with the ring?
Yh
What's funny is that it almost did get destroyed, but Ronald D Moore was very fond of the ship and decided against it. So it was only damaged.
Anders, get the FRACK in your VIPER!
FRACK! You ended the scene at the best part!
The only criticism with the show I ever had was we never got properly introduced to all of the ships in the fleet. Even short scenes that over the seasons established a decent knowledge of each ship would've meant every loss would've been that much worse.
I mean even as it stands this scene twists your gut as you're seeing a battle with the civilian fleet vulnerable, which just feels so wrong after so many battles and close calls.
I think RDM said if he had more set and visual effects budget he would have liked to show more details on the civilian fleet and more stories on them.
@@usul573Moore mentioned they did this for the prison ship, Astral Queen in season 1 and realised just how expensive it was going to be if they did it every episode.
Major flaw is the habit of adding new ships to the fleet every season despite dialogue indicating a number of around 63 per the first episode after the Miniseries. Counting EVERY ship carefully in space scenes, I counted between 105 and 110 ships each time, most of them thanks to the opening and closing scenes of the seventh episode of season one. They just couldn't help themselves and it made no sense really.
Finally in HD!
Essa serie merece um remaster para 2026.
Concordo
Brilliant, brilliant television
AAAAAH!
How about... Romo Lampkin?
I still watch this on the regular. Got access to all the seasons and 1 of the movies "Razor"
As much as I enjoyed this series, I always liked the original concept that had the Cylons being the remaining machines from a alien race! I had high hopes that the new series would go that route but apparently it’s taking place in the same universe as this series!🤷🏼♂️
I actually liked that it was the humans creation. That it was their screw up that caused the first war.
@@joelaton1062 To each his own.
Little trivia: Edward James Olmos had one condition when he agreed to play Adama. No aliens. He wanted the show to stay focused on the human drama.
Pretty rare for an actor to have any kinda input like that. Not that he like, gave active input but he apparently did have that condition
@Anthony Gonzalez I kida adds to the "emptyness" feel of the BSG universe. Unlike othe shows where space is full of life and activity, here it's a dark, cold, dangerous and lonely place; with nothing but the void within hundreds of thousands of light-years. And when they do find something, it's only a deadly nebulae or an ice cold rock. Add to that being chased by relentless killing machines and the fact that that guy sitting over there may be one of them.
Makes you understand how hard it is, mentally and emotionally, for the survivors to push forward.
@@anthonygonzalez2897 The actor's leverage vanishes the moment he signs the contract. Olmos made his conditions known ahead of time. If he wasn't satisfied with their answer, then he wouldn't have signed, and they would have had to find someone else to play Adama.
Never could understand why Anders was trying to shoot with his left hand on the stick. Is that the control stick or does the throttle have its own “trigger?”
And BTW, do Vipers have LH throttle control? If so, what was that business with Adama testing Kara’s bum leg with weights at the gym? The one where she had to “apply continuous pressure on the pedal to execute a 6-g turn, otherwise she dies?”
A lot of times actors are just jabbing random buttons. No set rules. Pensacola Wings of Gold did that. I saw them do so much stupid feldercarb......
The act for Kara hated the fighter scenes.
G-forces are not fully tied to gravity actually. It's speed an inertia with gravity. Even in 0G space if a Viper is going fast (which they usually are) it will take muscles power to not only press down a rudder petal but keep it pressed down through G forces in a turn.
@@sebastiannelson6355 In space you don’t need to maintain a burn to execute a turn. That’s an in-atmosphere procedure, since when you have air resistance you have to apply continuous thrust or else the air slows you down and you lose altitude. It’s that constant thrust while moving in an arc that induces the 6G forces on the pilot.
To change your vector in 0G you use RCS thrusters to point in your desired direction and then engage main drive engines behind you. Ever play the old Asteroids video game? That’s Delta V. You don’t need some spring-loaded gas pedal to control that. Two hand control sticks with thruster buttons on one of them will do. When the Apollo Lunar Modules landed on the moon, all their RCS thrusters were controlled by two hands. The main engine only had an On/Off button.
@@icecold9511 In Blood and Chrome they showed a then-young Adama switch from his right hand on the stick to his left hand. But in that case the reason was he had popped-off his busted canopy and needed his right hand to, get this, fire his sidearm at the enemy Raider above him.
In another instance he uses his left hand to flick a switch on his LH stick, which has the effect of flipping his Viper around mid-flight so he can shoot at the Raiders on his six.
Kara does a similar maneuver in Razor, so clearly there’s some sort of directional control scheme for the left hand. I can get on-board with that if not for the inconsistent use of the centrally-mounted control stick.
Like, if suddenly yanking on it engages reverse braking thrusters, as was shown by Lee in the raid on the Cylon’s Tylium Mine, what control input makes the craft pitch-up?
Viper controls are weird like that. At least in the old series they made the Mk1s fly like atmospheric fighters. Reverse Thrust was activated by the third button on the stick, not by a motion of the stick. Extra Thrust was of course the Central “Turbo” button on the stick.
@@Ryan_Christopher One thing great about BG is, unlike many other syfy shows involving fighter craft, they demonstrate how fighters are able to maneuver in space early on in the program as we see thrusters firing around the ship when a viper is landing.
WOW SLO MO AROUND 1:23 - 1:25 YOU CAN SEE THE BULLET IN THE MIDDLE OF ADAMA AND SAUL AS SAUL SHOOTS HIM. NOW THATS ATTENTION TO DETAIL.
Aye, with the bullet hole in the same eye as Tigh. It kind of suggests that the Colonel blames the Admiral for leaving them on New Caprica and being tortured.
It's insulting how good it is
Be the man you want to be!
As Julian Sands once said, "By all that is holy, great ships shall be built, warriors will be trained and the person who edited this clip short by thirty seconds shall be hunted down."
... or something like that ...
A few questions I have about this battle that I'm not sure were ever explained in the show, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure how every ship in the fleet lost main power just as the Cylon fleet arrived seemed more than a coincidence, but it was never explained. I took it as an act of God preventing the fleet from leaving so the Raiders would recognize the Final Five and set the events that lead into the end of the series in motion. But there was never an in show explanation for how that happened.
I know jump drives and their tech is fictional, but every colonial jump drive is exactly the same, even civilian and warship variants and all take 30 minutes to spin up after being shut down? So for most of the series the fleet ran with spun up jump drives 24/7? When the Cylons would find the fleet in other episodes, most of the fleet would be able to jump immediately, and Galactica would cover the slower jumping ships before jumping themselves meaning not all drives are designed the same. Surely this would be a huge strain on the drives and fuel, and if a ship ever lost its drive and couldn't be repaired they'd have to abandon it.
Strange the ost for this battle was never released.
Adama: Saul! …..Saul: Saul-good-man 🫠
There are no recycled battle scenes on this show, unlike the '70s BSG.
Better graphics and a better budget, it's a lot easier when you aren't constrained by expensive models.
The money and the technology weren't there back in the 70s and 80s. They did what they could with what they had and it was still the most expensive show to produce of its time.
PEW PEW
@@seawind930 The reimagined series was much lower budget than the original, but the original was changed from being a miniseries to a weekly series with no notice so they would have had to reuse footage anyway due to lack of time.
PSG is not on Peacock anymore. Hopefully it’ll be streaming soon somewhere. It cost over two dollars an episode and I just can’t afford that and I want to show it to so many people.
It’s on Amazon Prime now btw
Disney spent billions for Star Wars and this battle scene is better than anything they've done... change my mind.
Cutting off Sam & the Raider making contact should have been left in, super epic moment.
Saul Tigh, Man of Iron
A really guess its for "effect" , but ! There is no medium of course for sound to travel in space, would be boring if all the battles were devoid of sound.
1:47 Oh he lived
No one ever questions after this scene, how the entire fleets power just turned off
EVERYONE DID! At the time it was deduced that an outside Agency or preprogrammed quirk had it's way.....The mystical aspect was always played with throughout the series.
If Pegasus was still around could the Colonials beat the Cylons during this battle?
4 basestars as far as I can see on dradis. Possible but super hard. We have seen them take 2 out relatively easy. And the Pegasus main battery can cripple a baseship in one Salvo. Would have been interesting definitely
@@ikosanweee8203 I think it could have happened. Although there would have been alot of damage to both of them...and then who knows where the series would have taken us...
Conventional fight they would still be up against overwhelming amounts of raiders but yes defiantly could of won this one
Yes but would take heavy damage and lose a lot of Vipers
Pegasus was definitely an offensive ship, with forward facing main battery and apparently weaker flak cover. Galactica was much better suited to defend the fleet.
Amazing
I'm thinking the Ionian Nebula is actually the Orion Nebula (M 42)
If only season 4 had been more of this and less...the entire second half.
Ah yes, let’s not have more character development and deep storytelling.
The mutiny was a good part of the series, it showcased how far man had fallen and far they truly were too losing it all. Not to mention trust amongst the fleet and the merging of the colons with man.
@@IvanKinkle Spell check is your friend.
BSG sort of went down hill after the start of S3 in my eyes, was still great and had some amazing battles like this scene however...
@IvanKinkle deep story telling doesn't remove three possibility of good action scenes. And there's deep story, and the bat scat crazy that was what got at the end.
@@AOClaus The problem with more battles is the story just doesn't lend itself to too many battles. Galactica can't stand and fight too many times. They don't have the firepower, manpower or supplies to stand up to the Cylons. Other than destroying the Resurrection ship (which was worth the risk) all they can really do is run.
By this point the whole "It's a Cylon trick!" explanation was getting a bit stale. You can tell even the Colonials in-universe are feeling that way, Adama definitely isn't buying that so easily despite it coming from Roslin
"ANDERS! GET THE FRAK IN YOUR VIPER!"
Stunning battle. Too bad it looks like they spent the entire season's budget on it.
To bad it lasted only 4 seasons
Glad we got the full 4 seasons. If a writers' strike had lasted a little longer, we only would have gotten 3.5 seasons, and "Revelations" would have been the series finale.
you cut there?
I know the show crashed and burned, and this is pretty much the moment it lost its way, but daaaaaaaam I love the look and feel of this!
CHIAHAKWMYM: Was there a battle here? [THE BORG AND TERRANs STOP THE BATTLE FOR 5 SECONDs IN TRUEST HORROR AT CHIAHAKWMYM DOING KIRK THAT COMPLETELY FOR BEGGING HER TO DO HERSELF WITH ASKING FOR A FRIEND REVENGE.] Sorry, was laughing. [TAKEs OFF, KILLs ONLY TERRAN FIGHTERs, AND LANDs ON A TERRAN AIRSTRIP.] Only killed Nazis. [THEY ALL KILLED THEMSELVes ALREADY IN SCREAMING HORROR AT HER DOING KIRK DESPERATELY TRYING TO GET SIHA TO SAY SHE KNOWs ZAKK WYLDE PERSONALLY.]
what