Biggest Makeup Brands in Their FLOP Era! | BEAUTIFUL and BOTHERED | Ep. 53
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2024
- On this week’s episode of Beautiful and Bothered, Johnny and Kevin expose makeup brands that are in their flop eras! From Anastasia Beverly Hills, Fenty Beauty, Too Faced, and Tarte, they discuss how these brands have fallen from their once exciting and innovative pedestals in the world of beauty!
They also discuss Urban Decay losing their edge, their 100 lipstick launch failure, Pat McGrath Lab's declining quality and overpriced products, as well as Too Faced and Tarte's problematic history!
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Today's Topic: 01:24
Johnny & Kevin's New Beauty Videos: 03:27
What Makes a Brand "A Flop": 07:25
Anastasia Beverly Hills: 08:49
Modern Renaissance Revolution: 12:24
Is Novina the Problem? 18:43
Losing the Plot: 21:26
Fenty Beauty: 29:24
Discontinuing the Fun: 31:14
What is Fenty without a Singing Rihanna? 33:30
Johnny working with Fenty: 38:54
Pat McGrath Labs: 44:06
Overpriced for the Quality? 45:09
Same, Same, SAME: 47:19
Flop Launches: 51:45
Urban Decay, Tarte, and Too Faced: 57:01
Urban Decay Lost Their Edge: 57:42
Too Faced and Tarte are Problematic: 01:04:14
Get Ready for Part 2: 01:09:52
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It's gonna be a great call out when it starts "oopy doopy"
Oooooooh gurl you know~
I was talking to my boys the other day explaining something gross and used oopy doopy 😂 thanks Kev
@@mrfearsmom8857 LooooooL! I started singing tip toe through the tulips again bc of these scallywags!!!
🤣🤣🤣
the way i can hear these two saying “oopy doopy” in my head so clearly
We need a "Battered, Bruised and Bankrupt" collection... 😎✌🏼
Hello, here I am
Not to mention.. Fenty has flopped at eyeshadow palettes SO bad. I’m so pumped you guys are taking over the beauty channel!!!
And their latest lip products all smelled like fish after a few months. I had to throw most of mine away. Only the glosses have not changed
@@DGrace7917wow, thanks for the info!! Taking them out of my cart as we speak 😂
You two are the PBS News Hour of the makeup world. So informative, intelligent and in depth.
PBS with cocktails.🤩
Nice analogy!
Ah yes that’s it! I was wondering what I could call it, and that’s it. Add some wit and SpongeBob references and there you go. And I understand all the SpongeBob ones.
You guys don’t realize how RELIGIOUSLY I watch this podcast ❤🎉
Love the support thank you!!
You are my Sunday go to church. Starts my week with a laugh and learning.
Every Sunday I watch beautiful and bothered the Welch twins and if either James or Robert post
I go back and rewatch all the time.
@@mrfearsmom8857me too
And here I am... dreaming about that Johnny & Kevin eyeshadow pallet. Just tell me when you're ready to take my money!
Manifesting!!
Me too!
Couldn't agree more on the long form perspective! It's so refreshing to have creators provide truly entertaining and educational content
We got you!!
I agree!! I’m a long form fan
Celebrity makeup brands are 100% the equivalent of Kylie Jenner being named the youngest "self made" billionaire. They are all batting a homerun from second base.
These episodes are NEVER too long. Child…I could listen to you two talk for 8 hours straight. Your knowledge and expertise has helped me navigate all these beauty brands and cut through the hype to find products that actually work for me. My god, the day you two put out your makeup collection I will absolutely lose my mind. Cannot wait to see what 2024 and beyond brings for you both!
If you created an eye shadow palette, I would travel to the US to purchase it. If you could make the packaging sustainable, even better. I am waiting for exquisitely beautiful packaging where one can replace the product insert, not the entire thing.
Omg let's keep manifesting!
Yess! And one where we as customers can choose what colours we want in our palettes so we don't have our drawers filled with half used eyeshadow palettes with only colours we don't use left.
I will say this honestly got me back into makeup. I realized that makeup content is very different coming from MUAs than enthusiast. MUAs genuinely have a passion for makeup paying for licensing, dedication to learning, seeking industry jobs in makeup etc... is a reflection of their love. It feels more genuine and it just made me want to get back into make-up. I revamped my routine, I'm interested in products again. Like it's refreshing to see people having a genuine reaction to good products and not being like over the top about every new thing. Reminding people that these older products are good and or similar to the new stuff coming and you guys remind people to keep using them. Idk im rambling but ❤ this podcast and you guys
We love you too!!
Exactly!!❤ well said. I couldn't agree more!
YES! I was so burnt out on all the products I tried and failed to get the expected results that I gave up for a year. Then Robert Welsh explained how the lights create perfect skin on camera and these two gave me my sense of humor back. And great advice. I’m in love again ❤️Thank you boys!
I so agree sweets...
Yes! Im having fun with makeup again
39 seconds in and I can already tell this is going to be one of my favorite episodes
YASSSSS love the support! Enjoy!
As a working Makeup Artist and a Counter Manager in a department store this podcast is such an amazing part of my weekend. I’m so proud of you guys for the success and all the hard work you guys have put into this. Thank you so much ❤can’t wait for multiple episodes a week!
Thank you for the support!! Can't do it without you!
YES GIRL EXPOSE THEM❤ CLINIQUE BETTER BE ON HERE😌
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I'm 44, so very late getting into make-up. But I love learning from you both and Robert Welsh. You are my 'go to' beauty guru's!! ❤
Never too late to learn!
@@beautifulandbotheredvery true. But I'm so rubbish at it 😅😅
@@jannamcintosh883063 and haven't really worn makeup in years. I tried to do a glam look for a show of The Nutcracker. It was ok until I was cruelly reminded that my mascara was getting old. What a mess. At least I didn't cry 😢 and I was mostly in the dark anyway 😅
Girl SAME! I'm 43 and plan on doing a makeup lesson at Sephora because I know nothing. Sure, I can watch TH-cam but I need someone to physically show me.
Can I just say how gorgeous you both look today. Especially after that terrifying UK makeup vidoe, LOL! You both look healthy, energized, and simply flawless. So far, 2024 looks really good on you!
LOL thanks for the support mama
Yes. I wondered if Kevin went to a two week spa vacation in Switzerland and perfected his skin. Kevin’s hair and makeup is my favorite look on him so far.
I now catch myself saying “oopy doopy” and “ookey spookey” 😂😂😂💖💖💖✨✨✨💄💄💄
All of the time!!!
We love Kevinisms!!
Same here. My grandson , is like mamaw you know you're supposed to be old 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Same. It's a cult, but a nice one.
@@Its_me_Debiomg kids😂
you two coming together was truly magic happening. So happy that you two are ready to entertain us all year cause WE ARE GONNA NEED IT! :) Love you both!
We got you!!
I don’t really wear a ton of makeup but I love this iconic podcast 😂. It feels like I’m talking to either two older brothers or two uncles from either side of the family who know more than me, and want to do my makeup for the holidays. Love y’all!!! 💙🦋
Love you too!!
Same here. I hear this podcast to help me feel asleep (not out of boredom, but out of good vibes)😊😅
@@drpri1836Beautiful and Bothered ASMR 😂 but same it’s so relaxing and funny
When I say the moment
👏THE 👏 MOM👏ENT👏 you two make a pallet/make up collection I will be willing to throw hands to get that shit in my collection... I'm manifesting that shit. We want it more than you know!
Let's keep manifesting!!
Please make a primer for aging skin. Heck, make a collection for aging skin.
If there is not a lipstick shade that is really close to another shade (I.e warmer/cooler.) Called 'kissin cousins' oooh guuurl! Imma be p*ssed 😂
I really want to suggest Luxeria or Michelle from Lab Muffin Beauty Science as potential guests for the podcast! Luxeria is a professional makeup artist with a biochemistry degree while Michelle has expertise in product development. I think their insight in what goes into a cosmetics product willl work great for your podcast! I also like this episode because it goes through the nitty-gritty of the trends and marketing of makeup brands.
There are more brands in a flop era that aren't . Nothing in the last 6-9 months has excited at all. I can't wait for someone to come out something really revolutionary . When people are getting excited over 30 dollar lipstick liner , you know that the beauty industry is struggling
I think one of the big downfalls of ABH was the amount of pallets they made with creators. It was one after the other, without giving the pallet propper chance to have it's time. The new big pan pallets look like Sigma pallets, but without the cohesive color-story.
THIS....the mass production of eyeshadow coming out one after the other, really popped the ABH collection bubble
I love the single shadows that fit into pallettes of various sizes. If you can come up with a really good formula with a variety of finishes and enough shades for everyone from mild to wild, and then have empty pallettes that can accomodate small, med, large, etc collections, that would be fantastic. I know it's been done before, but this is my favorite format for versatility, and then you have the ability to swap around individual colors to carry with you for daily carry or travel, while your big collection is safely at home waiting. If you could do this with blushes, highlighters, contours, finishing powders, etc. I would be all over it.
Sign me up!
If any audience would see the value of this approach, it’s theirs!
I feel like a lot of this can go back to what brands are chasing trends and what brands are creating stunning high quality STAPLES. To me, rare beauty is an example of a brand creating exactly that. Her products go viral sure but at the end of the day she’s creating stuff without gimmicks, high quality performing formulas.
I love when these two natural blondes get together, get wine drunk, and absolutely read every single makeup brand imaginable✨I’m strapped down and prepared to listen to the written word 😌🙏🏾
We got you
Natural blondes😂😂😂😂 are you trying to say 'dumb blonde' or something??? We all know they're not!😂😂😂
Don't forget behind these HUGE brands, are the share holders. I remember reading that the reason why AH kept pumping out stuff so fast because the share holders demanded them too. I do believe a lot of the mistakes that were made are do to people (with money) behind the scenes demanding things without understanding the market.
Great point!
Shareholders are a cancer on any industry. If they are allowed to dictate a creative process, it goes south so fast.
I love the addition of Kevin to both of your channels! Excellent choice Johnny♥️♥️
Our little gay nugget!
@@beautifulandbothered 🤣🤣🤣♥️
The palette and makeup variety was so thrilling for brown skinned girls because very very few brands even had eyeshadow that was even visible on my skin. Color options were a revelation. We had to use various lipstick tones and bronzers if we weren’t professionals.
I KNEW IT!! Urban Decay, Too Face, and Tarte were gonna be in here. Ugh I can't with Too face and they're disgusting eye shadow formula. I can't wait for part 2
As someone who is in retail cosmetics, even when it comes to our metrics, I feel like we are so consumed by 2020 and being disposable that these people just tell the “Novina’s” of the world that whatever they are doing is great. It’s almost like a constant daily fear, atleast for me, that if I have a differing opinion they will find someone else.
This makeup dissection is fascinating to me. I love hearing the insider perspective, and I know you guys try out all of these brands and products, which saves me from having to spend (waste) money on bad products.
Omg you guys are completely right about being a diffrent type of beauty channel! Ya’ll bring such a refreshing energy to beauty and I’m so excited for the content ya’ll will bring in 2024🎉
We got you babe!
@@beautifulandbothered Most important … minus the drama!!
I've been into makeup since about 1974. We had no TH-cam or IG. We relied on fashion magazines, not realizing their articles were basically commercials. Even though I am "mature" I am still interested in keeping my look current. I love learning about techniques and products. That's why I love listening to both of you because you tell it like it is, and in such a funny way. My blood curdles when I hear TH-cam content creators lose their minds, gushing over products that are total trash. Thanks for giving your honest opinion. I might not always agree, but I respect the fact that you put a lot of time and energy into what you do. 😊
Facts, ma'am, just the facts! 😂
Thank you!
You guys have such compassion for the makeup but also make me bust out laughing! I totally agree that there is no one doing anything like you two are doing. I totally zone in when this podcast is playing.
Love the support! Tell a friend!
Love the podcast, but I am hoping for an episode focusing on beauty tools that are worth it or tips on how to determine if they are worth it. I’m always on the fence about investing in a nice set of brushes but always worry that it’s going to an overpriced version of brushes you could find at target
Yes. Because I really want to know the difference between synthetic and real hair, High-end and affordable.
Great idea!!!
We know it's gonna be a good day when Johnny and Kevin post❤❤
Love y'all to death. Thank you for being brutally honest and sassy as hell❤❤
When you do the eyeshadow palette can you keep some stock back for UK customers. PLEASE!❤
This needs to happen. Kevin shouting at lab people and Johnny channelling his inner Barbara ❤
As an older person, I am always so happy to feel included in your videos. Thanks ❤ I just love your energy together!
It's so great! I feel seen, and they're so lovely and funny, I feel like a proud grandmother watching them.
Can’t wait to listen to this episode! Trying to cut out buying brands that are problematic, not inclusive, and on its way out! Happy Sunday :) ❤❤❤🎉
Happy Sunday mama!!
@@beautifulandbothered❤❤❤
Charlotte Tilbury went off in Australia, we have a store here called Mecca which is similar to Sephora or Ulta and I remember when CT launched there and people went insane over it! Buying her entire collection even online without even sampling the products. I just didn’t get the hype and couldn’t believe how incredibly young these customers were and how much they were willing to pay for the brand name and the hype.
Rainforest of the Sea!!? Kevin: “Ah!” You all have me peeing my pants!🤣🤣🤣
Speaking of eyeshadow palettes: my soul screams a little bit every time an influencer bends the palette cover all the way back. My small collection of beautiful palettes are my babies, I don’t want broken spines!
My neck, my back!
Lmao, just like my books
The rainforest of the sea bit is killing me 😂😂😂
I’ve enjoyed every second of this. I took a shower, did my skincare and nails, did my hair, and yalls were here the entire time. Thanks!
Yall have the best 30 second intro EVER.
Love the enthusiasm and support!!
I'd love to see you guys collab with an affordable brand or something like Oden's eye or Glamlite and create your original colour story. I'll buy with my eyes closed if that brand can provide international shipping ❤
You all make my Sunday, every Sunday! So excited to watch.
YOU make our Sunday! Can't do it without the support
Finally!!! Someone speaking on Fenty Beauty. I love the brand, I loved the hydrating foundation more than the matte. Ive noticed they discontinued products I really liked. I love the gloss bombs and lip paint. I kept saying, where are the lip liners?!?! They recenty launced a new concealer, intrigued but not enough to purchase.
Idk if my comment made the change, but THANK YOU Johnny and Kevin for putting a table out of frame for your drinks, and not using the boom mic table. The audio thanks you.
Just FYI…all of those older Anastasia palettes have pans that rust. The Fenty blush in Strawberry Dip is a favorite. Now, their eyeshadows were trash. I’m not sure how you can make such an awful formula. I bought that first huge holiday palette from PM and I was angry…it was trash.
Love love love you guys, i can be having the most "oopy doopy " shitty day and you guys bring such a smile. Keep up the good work and please go on tour❤
Manifesting it!!
Oopy doopy has entered our vocabularies, and I love it!
Kevin your skin looks like glass! Johnny, you seem so much happier! So glad you guys are in this together! I love the Sunday Pod!
It’s always the socks for me🧦 😂❤
My husband has a high appreciation for a “no shoes in the house” rule!
Your video is the high point in my day!!! It’s soooo dam cold 🥶 here in Ontario. So I’m snuggled in watching. Thanks for providing a Sunday Happy place!!! I adore you both. ❤❤❤
Flurrying here too! Stay warm and bothered!!
Oh man I feel you, it's -3 right now and I had to go out for a second. My breath felt like it was STOLEN from my lungs. I ran back inside and said absolutely not lolol
Ok hear me out…anyone remember the ABH Lavish palette??? I bought it only because I wanted the shade ‘Rum Cake’. It was such an innovative color at the time…which now seems silly because it was just a basic rusty copper shade 😂
I live in the UK so I always watch this on Monday morning with my breakfast. It's my favourite part of the day ❤
Who else wishes they would just forget about the clock! I’m here for every single second!
Longer the better baby, we can't get enough of you - I don't care if its like a 3+ hour segment, love hearing from you both, calling out the nonsense and trying to elevate the industry and all our collective experience, and laughing with you so much!
Absolutely 💯
Your best of beauty is really MY academy awards.
25:00 We need you two to collab with Trixie cosmetics and make ALL, ALL ouf our dreams come true! You can even call it the Manifesto pallet or something.
Good Morning!
I love the long form but.. we need closer on Miranda! You left her on a cliff hanger. We need the happy ending.😂❤
You are a true fan!
You know it.
First thing that came to mind when you all were describing dragging the formula chemists back in was “ITS NOT GIVING RED!”
My GODDDNESS y'all are just so freaking beautiful. Like, physically stunting. I'm gagged, jussssst stopppppp!!
Why does Kevin look FLAWLESS today, Johnny is always just pretty AF but I'm blown away by Kevin's skin, this man is getting more and more gorge every episode!!!! Love the hair flip btw
5:56 Johnny was giving me Velma Kelly "....I simply cannot do it aloooone!🎵🎶"
The way you two talk about your future palette together 🥹
That would be legit the most perfect promo for your eyeshadow palette. “MORE PEARL” 🤗😂😂
I’m so excited for this episode, just from the thumbnail I’m hyped for the Tarte hate. They’re so BORING like how are they in business 😂
Only thing I have from tarte that I like is the little mini Jewel palette because those foiled shimmers are so so so good. I truly don't understand why they can't get their ish together and use that good good formula on all palettes and have themselves a comeback
"I'm gonna fight this right now"
.........."go ahead" 😂😂😂😂 I keep rewinding it omg that was funny
I got licensed as a cosmetologist in 2022, and this podcast has made me better as a makeup artist. Not only do they cover the quality of the makeup itself, but they do videos like this that gives depth and nuance to their other content. Johnny and Kevin have truly become my role models over the last year, and they continue to motivate and inspire with each new video (y’all probably won’t see this but if you do, thank you)🥹💕
People say 'it's just makeup' but this is a multi billion dollar global industry and these brands swindle us out of money with their overpriced hooha products so I'm glad you dissect things so passionately.
Btw could you try ensley reign cosmetics for a makeup video/review please? Their palettes look so interesting and like they get it right. They started out private labelled but now formulate their own products and they look special...
It’s like how Clarisonic got screwed into the ground. When they came out with an attachment to apply foundation I knew it was over
24:45 omg Johnny literally in tears just thinking of him and Kevin creating an eyeshadow palette together sent me!🥹🥹🥹 The passion and artistry in these two men truly sets them apart from anyone on any and every platform. I’ve never seen anyone hungrier than Johnny and I mean that as a compliment. He works so hard and it’s truly shocking how much he did when he was just by himself! And then to sacrifice his ego to bring Kevin on the show and now on his other channel … class. Just pure class.
Thank you for the support!! You help make this possible!
Can y’all please make these twice as long? I need more Johnny and Kevin to fend off the Sunday scaries. Kthx!!! ❤️💁🏻♀️
Yassss I was literally just rewatching last week’s episode waiting for this to upload 😂🙏🏻
Love the support mama! Thank you 😘
I LOVE episodes/discussions about products and brands for the stated fact that we live in a very capitalist society in the US. I love make up and the aspect of creativity and self-expression it offers me BUT, I want to be an informed consumer and invest in my art with eyes open consciousness about brands and quality.
You both do a very wonderful job of sharing your thoughts and having a real and authentic conversation about many aspects of the beauty culture, and I greatly appreciate it and feel validated by you both sharing your strong opinions.
Oh noooo in the intro I gasped and my partner immediately knew why and was like "we don't talk shit about riri in this house" 😂😂
I love the "intellectual deep dive chats" too. I am so impressed at your and Kevin's encyclopedic knowledge of the industry. Funny how many parallels there are in this flop list with Allure's 'best of' list 😂
Johnny and Kevin over their witches brew in the lab is cracking me up! JK beauty let’s go!
I CAN'T WAIT for the beauty channel new episodes!!! And thank you for revealing the Fenty matte foundation flaws--I thought I just had a bad face because surely an expensive foundation wouldn't be that awful. 🙃
I would love to see 'Makeup Graveyard ' episode.
OOOOOOOH!!!
Forever obsessed with this podcast, these two beautiful people and every video that will ever come out
1:07:25 KEVINS FACE HAD ME ROLLING😂😂😂👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Guys, I can listen to you two talk about makeup for 3 hrs straight. Keep this going 💪🏽 can't wait for the next episode ❤
GET HER JADE
Kevin saying "Shape tape" as a manta for the CIA or FBI to get criminals to talk would be perfect.
I finally gave this podcast a chance and I'm OBSESSED. I love how y'all are so educated and informative. It's what I've been missing from the beauty community since it caught fire several years ago. ❤❤❤
Ok who else remembers when Fenty released that joke for holidays! It was a swaroski encrusted lipstick case for like $200!? 😅😅
Norvina was on the endcap attached to ABH in my store when we had it. It actually did well but didn't stay long in store.
You know it's epic when it starts with the bleeps. 😂love you both so much.❤
I can’t wait for you two to manifest a palette!!!!
I just really love watching you two. What you said about talking alone is so true. Having a running discussion with another person is perfect. On top of that you two are so, so, funny and honest. I love watching you two laugh at yourselves and other but not being mean. Just honest. Both of you are just great. Can’t wait for more podcasts.
You guys are like the friends I never had !!! I love watching you both and learning from you. I am an 18 year old makeup artist from south Florida who is currently working as a beauty advisor at ulta, and your recommendations and advice have helped me so much in my career so far ❤
Kevin, that's your hair look!! You look SO handsome with that haircut!! Congrats!!
Just left a 5 star review on Apple Podcasts for you and I just want to thank you for helping this NY (Finger Lakes region) lady with mature skin find products and techniques that work for my combo skin! I love watching your new episodes every Sunday, save a lot of them into makeup/skincare playlists to reference later if needed and sometimes even rewatch just to laugh along with your incredible interactions. You guys are the best, looking forward to Season 2!
What's the weather like there? My dad grew up in Seneca Falls, and it was 🥶
@@maryeckel9682 - Currenttly? Very windy and cold but not much snow. I live only 10 minutes from Lake Canandaigua and it’s really beautiful here year round!
Brilliant episode, can't wait for part two. The complacency of these brands is insulting frankly. Learning about profit margins from Jeffrey Star has made me want more bang for my buck. You can really tell who's putting in the time and effort and I think we as consumers are becoming more knowledgeable thanks to people like you and Kevin so they need to start upping their game. I could totally see you both as consultants to top brands ❤
I’m just getting over a 2 day migraine. Watching you guys got me feeling so much better after such a rough couple days that I actually put on makeup while listening to this episode. I religiously watch the episodes on Sunday but for obvious reasons am watching you a day late. Thank you for putting out this content each week!
Glad we can be there for you!
I think your idea of getting back to the beauty basics on your channel is great! It seems like we left tutorials way back four years ago or such and that was when people had eyelashes that reached the moon! Things have changed and products have changed with new types of formula that need tutorials. I think your ideas are great! Love from Scotland!
HANDS DOWN BEST BEAUTY PODCAST IF ALL TIME. I LOVE ALL THE HONESTY AND OOKY KOOKY POOPY HILARIOUS REVIEWS.
Yall I'm dead. An Emily Gilmore AND a cheek to cheek reference in the same pod?!?!! No wonder I love yall
Those goddamn St. John knit suits!